All we ask for is that you run one of the correct builds for your class (these can be found at metabattle.com or qtfy.enjin.com).
While what you posted and are offering is awesome….this above kills it for me and is why raids are in a flux. But good on ya for offering up to people! 
Actual though, after re-reading it I do see that you aren’t excluding anyone per-say but only asking that they run a build for their class that is proven to be useful…fair enough.
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Except I enjoy absolutely having to clear a difficult challenge to obtain cool rewards. An opt out like easy mode as you describe it would destroy my value. You might not want the same or you might not agree, however you must accept this what I like and what used to be missing in gw2 for me. And guess what ? I am the target audience for raids and you are not.
BAM!……….mic drop.
And this:
“But yeah, that is one thing keeping me out of raids mostly is I really only know how to play thief dps and have him geared. Every other class, has random exotics on and not meta geared, so cant bring them if the group needs another role. "
That’s where a lot of us are so making raids stupid easy wouldn’t fix anything other than ruining them completely.
Thief heals…..hmmm, I can see it!
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Have said it before and will repeat, RAids do not need to be made easy. They are fine as they are. The PROBLEM is getting into them. As long as we have the exclusion of classes its gonna suck, period. In most MMO’s, all classes can dps, be it a mage, a rogue a warrior or a monk. Now some classes are better suited for certain roles, i.e. tanks, heals, etc. but EVERY class is viable as a dps role. A Fire Mage can dps just as well as an Elemental Shaman, played and geared right. Not so in the this game, and that’s what sucks as it makes people not want your class for raids.
So no, please no “easy mode” for the raids, it will kill them all together. Just fix the classes and the meta only mentality and we all be laughin!
The trailer showed quite a few noticeable scenes of an Engi with rifle and flamethrower…
Given the response in the Engineer forum section after the last balance patch, there may be a chance of some buffs?
/hopeful >_<
WHERE are you seeing this???? I wanna see it.
Oh please please please ANET show Engi some love. You went to so much trouble to make your classes unique in this game, lets keep it up and make them viable as well.
Stick with engineer imo. I can’t speak for fractals as I do not play them but for the other two categories…
Condi engi has been and continues to be top tier dps if you learn your rotation well. This will have you a spot on all wing 1 encounters with plenty of helpful utility for your team.
Power engi is also rather high dps and will almost certainly have higher dps than the average pug ele given its incredibly simple rotation, though a more appropriate comparison is to a thief. Xera is great for engi. Sabetha is also good as a cannon runner, rifle 5 serving as a “blink”.
Solo is where engineer really shines as you have a solution (sometimes very creative ones!) to practically every situation lurking in your skills and traits.
Love you right now! You my new hero!
gz!
always nice to hear ppl clear it the first time . few weeks ago I joined a Sabetha team, asking for 50li and no ts. sab cleared first try and no one dies, one guy typed out, I finally got my eternal thank you all!
happy to help if I am online. EU here.
Awesome!! yea, that’s all I need for my title as well and hopefully soon as I can raid again I will get the kill with Bejelit’s Guild, which I too joined! I will let you know soon as I able mate!!
Wahoo!
I just checked out all Engineer raid and fotm builds on metabattle; wouldn’t recommend the site for anything but basic stuff for each profession.
Condi is slightly outdated in terms of priority moves and traits and power is a complete mess with the list of priority moves lacking essential dps skills.
It has been a while sind I recorded my dps rotations, unfortunately my tower died, so I’m currently trying to play on my Laptop. But I wanted to record power Engi anyway since it’s dps got buffed quite good with perma Alacrity and a proper rotation.
So about the main question – what rotation do you want, power or condi? The condi one is almost perfectly executed by qT in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSMg8psXbE&feature=youtu.be&t=126
Greez!
- Ziggy
You rock mate!!! Just what I needed. I have seen these from qT’s site but wasn’t sure if they “the best” or what, so I shall take your word for it! If you have something handy for power that would be awesome as well but don’t go making one just cuz I asked.
Thanks again and I shall go watch now! Cheers
NA ok…. I’m on EU..
And yes Reflexes can be a bit wonky if you are older, but keep trying.
Also Using Mouse too much? Are you Skill-Klicking?
trying not to, have a lot of the skills bound to other keys like ~ and such but still tend to move with mouse instead of keyboard. But I be right……just practice!
If there are Problem at Sab, can you tell where the Problems are? Also are you EU or NA?
Lol….the problem is me not getting out of her flamewall fast enough and fun things like that (I’m 55 and my reflexes are not like most of you, I tend to use the mouse to much still) and I am on NA server.
“Mythic Archimonde Level in Terms of difficulty”…yeah!! Ouchies!!! tough fight that one. But I agree with what you said…it was a shock to me that GW2 raids weren’t like those mentioned. I was expecting some serious wipes, and have had a few but they are due more to people not mastering mechanics than the Boss being really tough. Sab for me is a stinker yet others blow past her, go figure!
There’s already a new portal in the raid waiting lobby.
But it propably won’t come until quite some time..
No prob, for now the current raid wing is still keeping me busy. I’m still at sabetha
over 20 kills on both gorseval and VGuardian, but none on sabetha, she’s a hard skritt to crack
Same here….so close to Eternal title, ah well. Sab just does me head in as well, just need to do her more I reckon.
Could someone like Ziggy or others of that calibre post some recent videos of Engi rotations and such? Enrything on youtube so old or just not that good. Yea, qT has their’s but not a lot of folks go to their site or know about it so maybe something up to date on here would help heaps.
Yes, I know our “rotation” is unique in the sense that we have to watch cd’s and such but still be handy to have something basic to draw from and then folks can adapt from there? And no, I have nothing as I cant make vids….but you leet guys can!!!
Come on, you know you wanna!!!
The condi build is Pistol/Pistol. Look it up on qT or metabattle.
How easily do you get into raids as engineer?
I really like the engineer class but I wanna raid alot and I ain’t sure engineer does well for that
Try running with your guild, much more forgiving in what classes to take I have found. I don’t PUG anymore for that very reason, no one wants to “try” an Engi, they scared that we will suck. And sadly I have seen quite a few that do,going in and camping FT and that’s it? Yea, not good advertisement for the class for sure.
Also, GiftUngiven has posted on here somewhere a Guild invite to join his training raid guild, check it out!!
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The other option I was considering was Engineer but they don’t seem to get alot of playtime in raids
Engi is awesome fun but yea, even though our dps is on par with most we are still struggling cuz of the lame ol “meta” mentality.
Ranger/Druid is fun as well but there is just sooo many. Aside from that though I think Druid would be best all-around choice for what you looking for right now. Then you can come back and roll an Engi!!
We are viable, desirable? thats another story :/
Yea, good point! Bad choice of the English for me on that one. As many have said many times, ALL classes are viable, but which of those people actually want to take is where the issues lie.
But I shall hold the faith! When I came back to this game almost 2 years now I rolled a Necro and was blasted for it. “Selfish” class, sucks,no one wants,etc. Then look what happened….Necros blew up! So now that I have found a class I really enjoy I will stick with it and hope that Engi’s too get another look-see and some love, as well as any other class that could use the developer “hug-of-not-being-sucky”!
While more Classes should be able to give out these Class Buffs. Anet should prevent the Players from Overkilling with the Buffs and having like 20 unique Damage Buffs.
That’s why I say they should give either the exact same buffs or buffs that DO NOT STACK with what we already have.
Yea, how hard would it be to have turrets be something of use? We have a trait that does give might/fury etc depending on the turret but cd on the trait is crap so its useless.
Little less of this and more having traits that are actually useful? That way our turrets would perhaps behave the same as banners while even doing some dps as well?
The “fix” is out there, and its close. Just a matter of whether ANET cares to make the fix so in the meantime we go afk in LA.
This is gw2efficiency’s table of magnetite shards. Assuming people don’t spend them as soon as they get them, if you are making an argument for how ‘most players have never even set foot into raids’, you’ll need to explain how more than 50% of the playerbase who’ve clocked a few thousand hours into the game – the ‘veterans’ that have supposedly been driven away in hordes by the raid content – have a few shards in their wallet.
If you don’t like the content, it’s fine. There’s other content for you to enjoy. I started this game one week after launch and I’ve never entered a PVP match. Should I have quit the game when they had the PVP seasons, PVP-exclusive skins, or devoted their resources into the Skyhammer and Capricorn maps? My neighbour does a few things that really, really irk me. Does this mean I’ll have to pack up all my things and move house?
The reluctance to experience raid content is largely driven by players who have to overcome their mindset that the raid experience is necessarily going to be like XYZ. If you spend 15 minutes in teamspeak with any static team, you know it’s a fun experience for people. Otherwise no one would be doing it.
Is there room for improvement? Always. So many have been suggested. Have an ‘easy mode’ for raid bosses with fewer mechanics and a more forgiving enrage timer, which gives you a legendary insight fragment and combine 5 fragments into one legendary insight. Have a LFG tab thing dedicated to guilds and static teams looking to recruit potential new raiders. Give alacrity, might-stacking capabilities and power/precision-enhancing traits to other classes. Make boons shared squad-wide in raid instances only and double HP of bosses to compensate for the inevitable 3 boon-givers 7 DPS meta.
But if you’ve never tried broccoli before and absolutely hate it and will never ever give it a go, there’s no improvements that anyone else can make that will make you put one in your mouth.
Nailed it mate, bang on! And good on ya for doing what so many others aren’t, staying on topic. Rednik, let it go and quit having a go at folks. Whats happening here is people are trying to improve something, not tear it down.
And the points made in the “improvements” paragraph are bang on as well. Easy mode?…kk, maybe not but the other bits would really be a huge boost to playing.
So lets keep more of this type of feedback coming guys, maybe it will get something accomplished?
Oh, and by the way….I love broccoli!! fav veggie!!
Off topic as usual but Xyonon, what do you run, power or condi? Or do you swap depending on content and such? Also, is your Engi a big ol Char?? Thought I saw some pics somewhere amongst a google search!!
I’d really prefer to put those things somewhere into the vanilla trait lines.
Again….nailed it!
This is awesome mate and way to pitch in and give a positive spin on everything. I will be looking you up if not just to lend a hand but also learn! I hope this really gets a great response!
As they say here in Aussieland…..“Goodonya”!
This is awesome mate and way to pitch in and give a positive spin on everything. I will be looking you up if not just to lend a hand but also learn! I hope this really gets a great response!
As they say here in Aussieland…..“Goodonya”!
Love this idea. I for one would like it if gyros were permanent pets/minions
And then we can name them!!??
Except it is not unavoidable. The game existed for 3+ years without the need to make this kind of compromise to profession design.
Ask any old ranger, engineer or necromancer and you will find they’ve been excluded in the past from playing content on their profession of choice. The broken diversity isn’t something new and it’s not something exclusive to raids, in fact it’s as old as the game itself. The first “meta” I remember was back in 2012 and was called “4 Warriors + 1 Mesmer” meta comp, and everyone else wasn’t needed. Or during the fiery greatsword era, go Elementalist and forget anything else.
That’s about exclusion. Now about giving abilities from one profession to the other:
For example, Rangers have Spotter which increases the Precision of allies, it would definitely fit the theme of the Thief to have a similar ability, call it Reveal Weakness.
Warriors have banners which inspire and boost the abilities of allies, why not give the Revenant an ability to summon a visage of a legend, that is stationary and provides similar benefits to a Warrior banner.
Engineers are masters of alchemy. We’ve seen powerful Hylek alchemy, for example take a look at the Hylek turrets. They can provide might and quickness for a group. An Engineer could get a potion mastery that he drops aoe fields on the ground and create similar effects to those turrets.
Removing the 1-sec cooldown from Empowering Might and the Guardian competes with a Phalanx Strength Warrior for the spot of Might Stacking.
All I’m saying is that giving the same stacking abilities to different professions doesn’t make them one of the same and it doesn’t hurt the lore or the theme, if done right.
BINGO!!! You nailed it my friend! Those suggestions (hell, AWESOME IDEAS!) are exactly what would fix the issue, period. ANET doesn’t need to make raids easier, or training modes or any of that junk. Simply (?) implement what has been mentioned right here along with some others and we rocking! Everyone can go back to posting pics of their toons and builds and FUN things.
So come on ANET……pick it and run with it! Again, well done with this post mate!!
Sadly this thread is in danger of going down the “not staying on point” disease so guys, bring it back to all the GOOD points and ideas you all were making. There is a lot of really good discussion and ideas in here and if it stays positive then mayhaps ANET will give a look into.
If all they see is the same ol crying over “I cant get into a raid” kind of topics they will just close it like the others.
Raids don’t need to be made “easy”, god no, then they wouldn’t be what they were intended to be, harder. But making them more accessible to the player base is where the disconnect seems to be. It is for me on the most part, and many others from what I have read.
Don’t get me wrong, I can raid, have done so with my guild and pugs and have been successful and it was fun. What sucked the fun out of was being told what toon I HAD to come on. I would really much prefer to be able to do ANY content with what I would call my “main”, and I think that’s the core of all these posts. Fix that and we rockin!
But, great discussions on the most part and yea all, keep it positive like many have mentioned and maybe make a difference, it could happen? I mean trump just might win so crazier stuff does happen! :P
Cheers.
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I would give it a +10 if it was possible! Well put mate. Yea, there will be haters but hopefully productive ones.
I don’t want to waste space quoting them all but Maddoctor,Blaeys and many others have very valid points and hopefully they are looked at by ANET. Great input guys!!
“When developers balance an entire game mode almost exclusively around the meta, this is the situation that results – where math, rather than flavor, fun and build diversity, rule the day.”
Now that’s something I wasn’t aware and shines a whole new light on things. Thanks for that and yea, sadly if that’s the case then it wont be changing any time soon.
It’s pretty obvious that the content of the quote is utter nonsense.
Apart from that, it’s what Tex already wrote: There will always be a meta that many pugs want to enforce for dumb reasons. We saw that in dungeons, we saw/see it in fractals, why should raids be any different.
Yea, I get it. Don’t like it and its sad but its there. Ah well….someday.
With their current raid model, it will always be about a handful of professions (currently Mesmer, warrior, ele, druid, sometimes necros), to the detriment of all others. It is just the nature of a limited raiding model.
To which I blame the “meta” for, as that’s what most look at for raid comp. Lose that and bring in people that can do the job needed in spite of class and we have a win.
That’s very true, but – unfortunately – there is no way to lose it in the current model.
When developers balance an entire game mode almost exclusively around the meta, this is the situation that results – where math, rather than flavor, fun and build diversity, rule the day.
In the current model, raiding will (realistically) always cater to a tiny number of professions and builds. There is just no way around that without either completely destroying build diversity or nerfing the content to the point that the meta builds actually make it too easy.
It’s a broken system imo, and needs to be rethought.
“When developers balance an entire game mode almost exclusively around the meta, this is the situation that results – where math, rather than flavor, fun and build diversity, rule the day.”
Now that’s something I wasn’t aware and shines a whole new light on things. Thanks for that and yea, sadly if that’s the case then it wont be changing any time soon.
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Now, in no way are the raids in this game easy. What with the class restrictions put upon everyone from the meta community to the pages of text that proceed this post, they are tough. But that’s a good thing!! End game is meant to be that. And this game is still very young in MMO years and they have a long way to go raids to improve, and I think they will.
You come from WoW, which is a very different game, and I don’t think you mean any harm by it, but the GW2 community was founded on the notion of moving AWAY from that sort of “this is endgame, it’s supposed to be hard” mentality. Not everyone enjoys that sort of thing, and this was once the game for those players to live. The concern is that we’re moving away from that Elysia.
Amen to that! I am still struggling with how different it all is. having always been the tank I was excited about raids, til they came out. Lol, omg how different, not old school tanking for sure. But that’s a good thing and I have since adapted, I don’t want a WOW clone, I left for something new and challenging and its just that.
The reason I mentioned the endgame comment is simply because that’s what many refer to on these posts, that’s raids were meant to be that. Doesn’t mean I agree, just what I have read.
I have stopped raiding for 1, pc issues but the other is something I just experienced for an escort run. LFG was asking for dps…kk, not a problem, I’ll come on my Engi. No thanks, we want PS or Rev. That’s what has killed raids for me. And to the post below, yea I get that there will always be metas, WOW had Gear score and it was a nightmare. I had hoped that a different game would not cop to such things, but people out there do want to know and be told what works, whats awesome and what sucks, so I get it. Don’t like it, but yea, its there.
So I was wondering, after 5 full pages, how is an easy mode for raids going to make the normal mode of raids more accessible? Or that’s not a goal at all?
Pretty obvious. More people with encounter experience -> more people in normal raids and less people without experience in normal raids -> less wipes in normal raids and more groups with wider diversity -> normal mode becoming less frustrating and pug demands becoming less ridiculous -> even more people are willing to try raid and so on. This is positive feedback loop.
Bingo! Lol, yea, I use that a lot, sorry.
But you have nailed it, and its called progression! And that’s how you accomplish it. Now, I don’t agree that there needs to be an “easy mode”, that’s just silly. What would work is less focus on the “meta” and more on allowing people that can fill the role,dps,heals, sorta tank, do just that without pigeonholing everyone into playing (or raiding actually) with only one build/class. Then when the nerfs come we wont see the dreaded “Oh my god, Rev is dead” and that junk. Regardless of class if you can do the job or fill the role and do the mechanics (<key) then you should be viable and allowed a go. That equates to more people going and more people learning, and all you points above come true.