Ok I think I got my mes geared now, exotic comm trinkets and full ascended for rest of them, my toughness is at 1560 or so with food, I’m just wondering abt the recent change to mes that cause you to slot diff skills like for the elite.
Basically my 1st question was in regards to traits. Was there a reason to use Domination instead of illusions or whatever? I haven’t looked at the traitlines that closely so I might be missing something obvious
I’m more concerned with rotations tho, if I go to a site like metabattle it still doesn’t seem to be updated to reflect the new changes since patch. I get that I should probably be swapping weps as often as possible, using all my wells off cd and keep shattering my illusions when I can. I’m having trouble with the specifics though, things like is it worth it to bother using continuum split or whatever without slotting time warp? If so how does this figure into the rotations, as well as basic questions like how can I cast 3 phantasms in one set (sword/x) so quickly before I swap to shield as I need to do for rotations?
Sorry for asking so many questions or if many of them seem obvious.. I haven’t played my mes in many months but I’m looking to try it out again
I think since qT added the condi Mes to the list of “viable options”, it’s not too hard to bring it to pugs.
Yesterday I helped out a friend who was on holydays and had nothing done this week. At Matthias we had 2 Chronos and 2 condi Mes.
In our guild we now completly got rid of Necros (pre patch only used at Matthias) since their damage is nothing special anymore and condi cleanse was never really their strength to begin with (90% of the ppl don’t know what plague signet does u.u). So instead of the Necros we just use condi Mes instead, 2-3.
OK! that’s good to hear as I am really getting tired of having a class that no one wants..i.e. Engi, so with the changes I thought I would give Mesmer a go again and this gives me hope. Something to get good at while I wait for Engi to see some love again. Ya know, instead of ANET its the GW2 community ( you meta folks) that could help everyone. If they just listed a class as being viable then folks would be keen to give us a go!
But I digress….that Engi woes, not Mesmer. Thanks for that info and I will go check out qTs site for the build! Cheers.
Condi Mesmer is the highest dps profession for Matthias, a strong green field runner at Vale Guardian and an okish ranged dps for Sabetha. Everywhere else in raids I wouldn’t recommend it to be used. So it’s rather a niche build.
Greez!
But…but… no one will take you in as such. “They” only want buff bots or tank. Currently working on levelling Mesmer to try out as support now that 2 seem to be the flavour. But Condi? Do tell!!
ok, this was kinda scary, and sad. Was in Madkings Lab, and there was like 4-6 ANET folks in as well, and not one was an Engi. So whats that say about us eh? The devs wont even play the class. Now, I could be wrong of course but just saying, that many and it was 2 druids,3 necros, a war and a memser.
Come on ANET, you made such a fun and engaging Profession…support it please!
The Eternal Alchemy! That screams Asura! If you love EG, and the HOPE legendary, go Asura! You will never regret it.
OMG!!! I love you!!! All this time and so many toons and I have yet to pick a legendary. Started them all, but never got far.
Now after seeing HOPE I am sold. So perfect for my Asura engi too….means I can delete the plant and cat, maybe.
Thanks for pointing that out!!!!
Except that one sylvari engi that was more intelligent than all of them.
Ok, I am all for “going against the grain” and all but from what I have read every Sylvari Engi was either mad or evil as?? So um, yea, any that didn’t try and take over the planet?
make two engies 1 asura and 1 charr, I have made a total of 17 engineers now :L
(pls anet stop ruining the profession)
Yea, exactly what I did. needed the storylines done anyways so wasn’t that bad but I am sticking to my lil Asura bomb throwing fire belchin acid chuckin Engi for sure!!
I think the op made the wrong question. The real question is not what is the best race for an engineer but… what is the superior race of tyria? What is by far better than any others ? Obviously Asura … so … for every class, the best race is always asura . And obviously, i am impartial
Lol, I didn’t make the “wrong” question per say….just should have labelled it “Asura rules all”, is that what you are saying?
Yea, they kinda grow on you.
Im an environmental engineer in RL, sylvary engi was the only reasonable option in game.
Arrrggg…lol! You guys are killing me! I actually rolled a Sylvari but swapped to Char and now I’m sticking to my Asura…just “feels” a bit more like the profession for me and a lot of that comes from me enjoying the race in the first place. They just fun little suckers to play.
But thanks heaps for all the comments and input, it was/is appreciated and now lets hope the Class doesn’t die the slow painful death. Fingers crossed Engi’s get some love….a hug maybe…little kiss, a wink even!!??
I’ d say if nothing else it can’t hurt to try. It either gets read and noticed or it doesn’t, but at least the attempt was made.
As far as an “expert” only one I can think of that has been a huge help to me and othes would be Xyonon. I think there are some other very qualified folks as well but can’t think of the names so step up folks, be heard maybe and perhaps something positive will come of it.
Now, how the hell do we get ANET to look at that stuff? And I don’t use reddit enough to have a clue but maybe posts over there as well? I heard that’s where they look often?
However the F all care that the devs are giving to my main class has honestly made me go back to Playing Warcraft until they get their act together with fixing the class and making it worth my time playing again.
This I fear is going to happen more and more. And oh my god has WOW been dumbed down, its sad really as it kinda gives people nowhere to go.
Hoping ANET comes back around and tweaks this so-called “balance” patch a bit.
it is not a fun question. it is a fundamental question imho. Which is the smartest race ? Asura… so a profession based on math and science… should be Asura .
LOL…that’s just mean to all the Char out there……
It is a joke , but i am an asura fan boy …. sorry . For me everyclass in this game, asura is better
Yea, I have 5 of em, they just so much fun to run around and play. But I am making a Char engi for the lore aspect of it and the story line achievs, plus I haven’t really played one that mush so wanna see how they play out as well.
But yea, the lil guys can get you hooked!!!
it is not a fun question. it is a fundamental question imho. Which is the smartest race ? Asura… so a profession based on math and science… should be Asura .
Ok, so I could be totally off on this and look stupid but here goes….
I have noticed that Condi skills are kind of “double dipping”, if it were on the damage they do.
Take Blowtorch for example…it hits for raw damage a certain amount but then it also hits with the burning for another amount.
Same with frag shot and I’m sure any condi skill in the game. So in essence isn’t condi stronger dps wise just based on the numbers?
Or….and now this is where I may be off, is the raw damage of a power build skill, i.e Blunderbuss, rolled up to match that of a condi skill? Looking at the numbers it doesn’t appear that way so again I ask if condi isn’t stronger due to the having x2 damage being done, the initial raw damage and then the condi dot?
Now, this is scary territory for me cuz I don’t do maths so just some simple explations would be fine if I am way off my thinking.
Feel free to break it all down if you must…lol…I’ll just read slower.
But yea, just seems a tad unbalanced and that’s why I think I am way off but had to ask anyways.
Cheers!
Utility Skills:
Suit Modules work like glyphs, they can be activated in or out the battle suit for different results.
Life Supporting Mod – 3x Pulse Healing Skill. Stun-breaker.
Off Suit: Heal yourself and recover endurance with each pulse.
On Suit: Block all incoming attacks while healing yourself with each pulse.
Toolbelt Skill: Elixir Blast – Splash yourself and surrounding allies with an Elixir, Removing 2 Conditions and becoming a Mobile Water Field for a short time. Counts as an Elixir Skill for traits.
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Bump!!!
mate, your whole concept is awesome as and I really really do hope some Devs take a look at it. Where is Nike or someone who has had some pull in the past??
Anyways, great thinking and would rock to see something happen!
Quick question for anyone.
Did some dps “tests” on the golem and with P/P condi the dps was higher than with rifle and power. Is that more because its a single static boss with high HP and therefore the dots are ticking away? I believe it was Xyonon who mentioned that power shines on open world/trash more so than condi due to that reason? Condi is great for bosses it seems but overall dps is higher with rifle?
Just some thoughts….
On PvE I play viper rifle often. Its really ok if you like to tag multiple foes while the previous are still dying. I still prefer my celestial set, though. Less fragile, more fun.
What build you using?
Right now I am bouncing between Rifle and P/P as the hammer is just not feeling right. I do love the breakbarness of rifle 4! But with 2 skills kinda putting us out of combat for a bit (4 & 5) I am leaning towards P/P as the winner……
I did peek into various profession based sub forms and found virtually every single one was peppered with depressing and less than encouraging complaint threads. For example I read that rangers have too many complicated pet problems, warriors are broken with a lot of useless weapons, mesmers are virtually impossible to level and elementalists are apparently too weak for the new maps?
Engi!!!
Notice you didn’t mention them in here so there lies your answer, go Engi!! They are heaps fun and lots of utility. I have only just came back to this game a year ago after getting fed up with WOW and ESO and all those. I have had one of each profession at 80 and have raided with my Rev, Necro, Druid and Engi. If you cruise these forums you will see me on almost every thread, asking for help.
I struggled trying to find a class that was fun yet viable to me, one I wanted to do world completion and all that stuff on, but I have found it with the Engi finally!! And I am viable for raids if I want which is a factor I consider when looking at the profession and how they play out.
So roll one and give it a shot, ya never know. And after all, you have like what, 5 slots anyways so go nuts til one clicks!
Cheers!
-An incredible variety of ways to build your Engie.
-Utility powerhouse. Blind? You got it. Immobilize/Cripple/Chill? You betcha. Fields and blasts? Whenever and wherever.
-One of the most efficient break bar destroyers.
-Insane burst, even as Condi.
-A commando when it comes to boss mechanics. Master race at seeker control, amazing at keeping Gorseval’s spirits at bay, one of the best picks for cannon duty on Sabetha and so on.
-Frantic gameplay that never lets you slack, if you seek to play it at a high level.
In general, no other class is as fun to play to me as an Engineer.
Nailed it!
You should have added a “dropped mic” at the end!
I find hammer boring as hell. I find playing condi with pistols, bombs, nades and ft much more fun. The overall damage is really good i use ( explosive, firearms tools) and with viper you have also good damage (bombs and nades hit hard)
Same, tends to be a bit slow to me. I do like condi as well but was/am intrigued going power. Question though, wouldn’t Viper be good for both since the power and condi damage is the same, on the armor? And rifle does have bleeds…..just a thought?
The top 2 races you could choose for an Engi are Asura and Charr, but the preference is all up to you, as many people will have different opinions.
I agree. have a Char but am struggling with the running and such, just feels clunky to me, almost worse than a Norn! But I like that its tied to the lore somewhat.
However, Asura to me are fun as to play, just goofy and such and seeing one chucking nades at mobs is funny as well, so I think I am leaning towards to little guys!
Out of all the classes, and I have each, Engi is the most fun, hands down. And that’s why I want/like to play.
Sure, Necro and Rev are loved in raids and junk but what it comes down to really is fun and on Engi I have that. Took forever and rolling each class to find that out but I have arrived!!! Boom, boom shakalakalaka boom!
Ok, totally fun type question for a change.
Which race makes the “best” Engi?
I rolled a Char as it seemed to fit the tech side of it all but at the same time I keep feeling Asura would as well (plus I find Asura fun to play, goofy and all).
Salads don’t seem/feel right nor do Norn and Humans of course can slot into any profession I reckon ,but they are so generic.
So, between Char and Asura……thoughts?
This is a build ive been trying in open world, and i’ve been finding a good time playing it, perhaps you find it interesting, a 3 kit rifle build, very classic :P
Thanks for that!! Will go give it a go now. Cheers
And what do you think of any Hammer builds? While not a huge fan of the melee (me and dodging in this game don’t mix, lol) I am liking the damage the hammer seems to do. Some blocks and such in there as well so not to bad.
This heavily depends on where you are. For solo and open world, I wouldn’t, just stick to the ego buffer Flamethrower build.
For fractals and raids however, things are different:
I’ve made a list of all skills for power Scrapper. On the top right of that list you can see how much of a dps increase each kit offers over the bomb auto attack, wich is our strongest auto attack.
So aslong as you use bombs in a power build (team content), also use nades. Mortar is used for loooong range but mainly for the combo fields, heal, blind, chill and double blasty from OS (if traited, wich I suggest).
If you got any further questions, just aks, I’ll try to visit this thread a few times this evening
Wahoo!
- Ziggy
Sorry, spent last day or two levelling Necro cuz Guild keeps crying for one (another one!)
Anyways…Ziggy! That math makes my head hurt! How do you guys do it….lol! But can kinda see what you are talking about. Right now just using nades and bombs and filling the rest with whatever is needed at the moment.
Working great so far. Thanks again guys, huge help!!!
Ok, been playing around with the power builds you guys have posted and while for the most part its the same I have noticed many of the builds use different kits such as Elixirs and Tool kit and Elixir gun, etc.
Also, in running a power build with either hammer or rifle(still haven’t decided) do I use nades? I love them but they seem to fit a condi build more than a power one, or does it really matter? Should I get used to using bombs? I tend to like nades as I like the ranged they give whereas with bombs you have to be in da face.
Or does one use mortars for that range? See? I have been playing around with a lot of different options trying to find one that clicks.
But then is that the beauty of Engi in that we aren’t stuck to just one setup?
Anyways, thanks again guys! You have all been a huge help.
Oh, and again I am a purely PVE player…..have yet to wander to the dark side.
One other quick item. I rebound my special action key and I cant get my gyro to work for the life of me. Either I have no clue when to use it (most likely) or I broke it. Any clues?
I play condi in open world, I’m really used to it now and it’s fun just throwing a couple skills on a mob then running to the next one while the previous one dies from tics
Yea, been playing Condi like forever but am keen to try something else for a change. I like my Engi and I fight hard for raid spots and am curious about the power builds being on par dps wise. If not I can always roll Condi again cuz yea, it owned for sure!
I mostly roll with power builds because lately a lot of PvE content requires hard CC. FT + Rifle combo pretty much blows away most break bars in a single rotation when mobs are not scaled up. It’s also fun to throw trash mobs around with all that CC (I wish Anet would allow us to CC mobs off cliffs). Power also tends to scale better when mobs are exposed, dealing massive DPS compared to condition damage, which usually remains at 1x damage boost during such moments (bug?). There’s also a lot of engineer traits that synergize with power builds, whereas conditions only have 3 important traits to take from firearms, leaving the rest to whatever.
I’ll sometimes play conditions just to try something different. Burn damage alone can easily get 2x power damage when fully stacked on a mob, but it does require quite a bit of maintenance to upkeep. I tend to focus less on the beauty of the game and more on the rotations, which dulls the gameplay for me.
Finally, there’s a mix play style that I haven’t tried yet. Viper offers both condi + power (less ferocity). I don’t have a full viper set yet, but the boost to rifle net shot so that you can get up to 4 seconds of imob (@ 50% uptime) is absolute troll in WvW.
What power build do you run with?
I am trying out hammer but still prefer to be ranged mostly. If I wanna own up close I have a Thief for that so yea, Hammer may take some getting used to or if I find a good rifle build that’s sweet as well.
Thanks to all you guys for your input!!
Lol, or coffee!! But I love it! Will have to give a hammer another look into. Was trying to stay ranged but ya never know, it looks different so I’m keen to give it a go!
Thanks for the reply!
Well found a few posts but so far its all about the PVP, WvW and that. Is that mostly because as had been mentioned pretty much anything goes in PVE?
Oh wait….may have found one!
I think this has been asked here somewhere but cant find so if it has feel free to point me the right way.
Or go ahead and give you input either way.
Looking for more of a general all-around gameplay/fun damage dealing point of view. I am on the fence at the moment but am still levelling and trying to get a feel for which is “better” option. Have ran condi in raids on my Asura (levelling Char) and for a pure power type class I have my Thief which rocks but am trying out different ways of doing stuffs.
Thanks and sorry if this has been asked (I just know it has)
Ok, enjoying power engi and all that (just nice change NOT being condi,but somehow I think engi shines as such) but why is it that the rifle seems so lacklustre? Or is it just me?
Rifle #2 seems a complete waste (this is all PVE based) and #1 doesn’t hit very hard. 5 is ok but gets a tad annoying always jumping around.
Am I doing something wrong in expecting this weapon to be a strong one in my weapons set? I have seen mentioned many times about using AA with your bombs? Seems a tad slow for open world and such. Even on a boss fight like VG only good at non moving phases and in a raid don’t you want to be using your heavy hitters as much as you can?
I really think its just rifle 2 that’s is lost on me, complete waste of a slot really. But then again now that I think about most classes do have a “dead” slot, don’t they?
Ok, I shall persevere!
I’m sorry, can’t really follow thread or complaint as grammar and spelling is really bad. Forum has auto spell check, just saying.
And as for the class, I am loving my Engi and have recently swapped over to the power side and its fun as! Ah well, to each their own.
All great info and thanks everyone for your input! DeceiverX, even though I only PVE (for now) much of what you said can be applied there as well, so thanks for that.
“If you want to actually learn to play the class where it is expected to be by others than zerk/scholar with either d/d or staff.”
Yes Eval, just that. As I mentioned I would like to be in a spot where I actually am an asset to the team/raid so big thanks as well!
I solo’d the Sage HP with Staff just standing toe to toe and using 5 on cd and basalisk for the BB and was quite impressed with myself. Granted I am sure you all do those things on a regular basis but to an old fart like me its a big deal and it was fun to do!
Cheers guys!
I know there is no “set” rotation for Engi but can you walk me through a typical fight with say VG? Sorta like what you would open with and then go from there.
Granted, things are always changing and we need to adapt as needed but just curious as to a general feel for what skills and such. Kinda wondering if I am doing everything right, or as close to right as I can get.
Cheers!
Oh, and not the whole dang fight of course, just the basics and that.
