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Love the sarcasm!!! I so hope you don’t get infracted like I did but I reckon yours was better written and stated, without calling them out. Well done! And nice job calling it for what it is, I to share your “love”!!
Man, I really hope something happens.

DarkStar.1749:

It would be awesome if they would have chosen pistol over shortbow. If for nothing else it seems more chat like.

Pistol? On a Rev? Hmmmm, different for sure but might be fun!

And it would be awesome if I hadn’t deleted my original post….lol.

Kidel.2057:

Thermaltron.6829:

The Good is that they still have a chance to make the Elite decent before launch

2 years of developement fixed in less than 1 month? Meh.

Oh ye of little faith…….believe in them!
It may come to pass……

ImdA.4701:

Hope anet will read this :thinking:

We ALL do………

Ghotistyx.6942:

You might think that with a insufficient understanding of English.
Fervor isn’t intrinsically associated with religion. And because Charr are militaristic, Orders from Above doesn’t have to symbolize religious thought any more than their standard atheism pandering would warrant. It’s much more likely the orders came from higher ups in the command list.

Yea, “orders from Above” doesn’t say religion to me, makes me think of “higher ups”, Commanders, Generals, that sort of thing. Up the chain of command so to speak and me thinks that’s where their train of thought was as well.

“Would be nice to have one more test weekend for the elite spec, but in PvE”

I mirror this thought 100% but aside from that I really want to get back into my Rev as he was my first raid toon and heaps of fun! I am currently playing him now until the launch and am holding my breath that some tweaks are made to Renegade.
I briefly (30 mins.) played around Spellbreaker since I run cPS in raids and was wondering if it would have some viability for raiding but SPellbreaker does flesh out to be pretty much pvp/wvw only, and that’s ok, choices are a good thing as long as those choices are solid.
Now, Renegade….no need to go into lengthy detail as my thoughts pretty much mirror most of those that have posted here and in the Rev forum. I will add that I personally see it being fun and I do a lot of open world running around along with raiding and I think it will be fine for that, just PLEASE fix the energy costs??!!
You cant really do much of anything with the new “toys” because you run out and therefore have to swap legends. All the work put into it one would hope that you could use and utilize those new skills more than just once per fight, but that’s not the case.
So, if you are able to do anything along those lines I really think some players just might be naming their next-born after you all!

Fun, yes…practical, no. With the energy costs there is no way you would have those utility skills out for the “fun” part. I get the warband feeling you are trying to emulate but in order for Renegade to be fun it needs some must needed love. Not a lot of huge tweaks, just some minor ones as many have mentioned, and then the whole elite would be FUN!!! But good thinking! Don’t miss your stop!

Rym.1469:

Renegade – PvP/PvX PoV – Longer, but definite feedback

Kalla Scorchrazor:

• Summons are similar to Wells, but if Wells could be killed/CC’d. That’s unecessary – summons are not powerful enough to justify being interactable. They are stationary, the counterplay is like for Wells. Icerazor and Razorclaw don’t need cooldowns. Slightly too high energy costs across the board.

• Heal – Costs 10 Energy, while all other heals cost 5, for no reason. Low base healing. Stunbreak is useful, but it’s the only stunbreak on the Legend – you often waste either stunbreak or heal. Please move the stunbreak to other skill.

• Icerazor lacks purpose. Very low power-scalling, short Vulnerability uptime. The summon often fails to cleave downed players. Currently, no reason to summon, apart from being 20x hit for some effects. I assume Razorclaw&Soulcleave will get an ICD, so I don’t count their synergy.

Traits

• Bleed-improving effects of Blood Fury and Heartpiercer don’t work rn.

• Ashen Demeanor could have 1s ICD. Gameplay of Revenant involves a lot of chain-CC to do damage.

• Wrought-Iron Will could have the radius increased to 360 – being a glassy damage dealer, you often stay at edges of fight, so 240 is too short for allies.

• Sudden Reversal – Should ignore Blind, to help against Thief dive..

• Lasting Legacy is currently the dominant trait, doubling the reason for taking Renegade (more damage).

• Righteous Rebel to compete with Lasting Legacy could also heal per Kalla’s Fervor gained. The Alacrity improvement could easily go baseline.

• Vindication – the Might duration is too short. 5-6 seconds would be the sweet spot. Alternatively, split the durations between game modes.

Shortbow

• As 900 range weapon, it puts you into range of many more skills than a 1200 range one, closer to the action. Therefore, it requires a defensive skill. I suggest #4 becoming it, working similary to Wards from GW1 – a defensive zone. Too low damage across the board. Skills 2 and 3 could use some cast time reductions – especially #3 since it’s a hard skillshot.

• Sevenshot (#3) – Arrows dissapear on collision with terrain. “Reverse shotgun” feels unrewarding, player barely ever has a chance to hit 7 shots, most of the time it’s 2-3. Currently bugged with Instant ground targeting, allowing to adjust the focal point instead of it being set at the max range (Youtube Video). The skill with the bug feels much better and more fluid, rewarding good aim – should be the official version. Hitting someone with focal point should reward extra damage – #3 is the hardest skillshot in the game. Should be the main source of Shortbow’s damage, coolest skill.

• Spiritcrush (#4) lacks purpose. Low damage, both power and condition, Slow doesn’t do much with Revenant (unreliable Interrupts, no interrupt traits). Cannot be cast behind the character, often bugs out on bridges. Prime candidate for a rework to a defensive skill.

• Scorchrazor (#5) – Great ability and feeling, just needs to be ground-targeted/skillshot.

Citadel Orders

• Too high Energy costs across the board. Consider adding a second resource for them if they can’t cost way less.

• Heroic Command – Kalla’s Fervor is so easy to come by that refresh isn’t that useful. AoE Might is ok, but consider Stability/Barrier maybe.

• Citadel Bombardment – Vastly too overcosted, provides no damage unless used against big, crowded groups. Should be tighter for PvP. Currently, not useful in PvP/against low number of targets at all.

• Orders from Above – The best Order skill so far. Alacrity is always handy. Renegade desperately needs cleanses – make this Order cleanse a condition every pulse.

Without having to type my own 100 words this guy here pretty much nails it, as many of what he has listed would make pve much more a thing on Renegade. Please, please, please take a solid look at these and ALL the other suggestions and feedback and show us that you do listen, do care, and want to give us the best MMO around!! Cheers!

Hopefully with a few tweaks such as the thousands suggested ANET can save this new elite. Completely….probably not, but at least give us a tad better start out the gate. Many of you, OP included, have made TONS of very good and very sound suggestions and feedback that would help to make this class a success and I for one am really hoping that ANET does read through these and looks at each other and says:
“Yea, we got time, lets do this!” I also still believe in Santa Claus so yea…….

Oh I miss the WOW days of 1 button doing 3 skills…..lol

ZeftheWicked.3076:

I like that 20 strikes vulni summon. Combine it with bleed one and you get some nice extra damage from it alone. I only started my renegade test (after getting my machine in order) but i feel a lot of critique is undeserved. I see what they’re doing with renegade and it seems well planned and synergetic.

Where? Do that and you are out of energy, forced to swap. Some tweaks and it would rock though.

Norjena.5172:

Joxer.6024:

Norjena.5172:

In my opinion the bleeding should get replaced by torment, and it needs some chill or at least poison.

No..no..no…we need the bleeds from a pve standpoint to be more viable as torment is crap in raids really but on your other points, yea, ditto.

Doesn´t matter, cause u will use M/A i raids, the bow dps is lower. And so and we have a new weapon, but no synergys with our old weapon and traits.

And thats the biggest rev problem.

1 Legend+1 Weapon+1 Gear, but we can use 2 Legends and 2 weapons and we like to swap both.

Yea, I am stupidly holding out hope that ANET will make a few “fixes” before release, like buffing some damage and fixing the SB3. But I for sure aint holding my breath, or the door, else I would die…..lol. Fingers crossed?

Norjena.5172:

In my opinion the bleeding should get replaced by torment, and it needs some chill or at least poison.

No..no..no…we need the bleeds from a pve standpoint to be more viable as torment is crap in raids really but on your other points, yea, ditto.

Fractured.3928:

Honestly, I think energy costs should be removed from weapon skills. I feel like I use 1 maybe 2 of my Legend skills before I have to switch. I’d like to be able to actually build up a bit, and unleash a bit more. Makes it difficult when attacking constantly drains your energy. And I shouldn’t have to sit there doing nothing at any point.

I to totally agree! Utility/elite skills fine, but our weapons just shouldn’t use it, period.
Need everyone to get behind this, if its ever the time for them fix its now?

Arkantos.7460:

I think if you made some little changes we will get a better feeling for the new legend and it would be much more welcome for rev players.

If only…just that, and most of us would be happy.

….if only…….. (sigh)

Artim.5139:

I also found out that the more people that grab the buff benefit from your condition damage and expertise stats. So, the more people you have gaining the buff the more stacks you get. The bleeding stacks scale off your stats. Its like your attacking through other people.

again, raid scenario?

Artim.5139:

Actually, the bleed summon does apply bleeding buff to both Icerazor and the dazer. you have to stand in the buff but yeah I have stacked a little over 15000 damage ticks with all three up.

But I do believe your character has to be standing in the bleed buff for all of them to get the buff.

On a boss fight, this would be a good thing!

Jthug.9506:

Having spent a good amount of time playing a venom share thief in pve as well as mallyx/jallis condi rev I have to say I am extremely hyped for Razorclaw’s Rage! With venom share you get 4(Devourer->panic strike->potent poison)+6(spider) applications of poison every 30-40 seconds shared with 5 allies. With Razorclaw’s Rage you get 1 application of bleeding every second for 5 allies for 10 seconds on a 15 sec cooldown. With 100% alacrity uptime Razorclaw’s Rage could be up all the time! that’s 50 stacks of bleed on a boss every ten seconds, 150 stacks every 30 seconds, compare that to 50 stacks of poison every 20-27(with 100% alacrity uptime) seconds for condi thief. It’s going to be rad!

I also like that the heal is a stun break!

I am curious to see if renegade, corruption, devastation with nightmare/trapper runes and geomancy/smoldering will be raid meta kindof using all the bow skills, and maybe citadel bombardment as well. Or if renegade, devastation, invocation with krait runes and agony/earth using only bow 1+2 will be better? Can’t wait till tonight to find out! Although it might not be easy to get the answer without the special forces training area, the pvp dummies have smallish hp pools.

I for one am loving your train of thought! That’s the kind of creative and positive? feedback one likes to see. Well it pan out, who knows, but it gives one hope! Cheers!

SappFire.5793:

Joxer.6024:

Why does the Heartpiercer trait only give piercing to 3 skills, not 5?

Coz 4 & 5 are circle and cone aoe, not projectile.

But….but….. the tooltip of the traits says it adds piercing to your SB attacks. Stupid semantics…..

Why does the Heartpiercer trait only give piercing to 3 skills, not 5?

And give us the trait Scourge has that applies burns and extra damage to torment! Be great in pve, make it a pve only trait, that’s ok.

I will give it this…condi Rev NEEDED a ranged option and I guess this is it. Not the greatest but then do you really want to camp SB afterall?

logan.5846:

Spellbreaker might be the least interesting spec in the entire game as far as pve goes.

Sadly I have to agree…thus far.

narcx.3570:

Joxer.6024:

Keep in mind that in pve and raids many times you don’t use your full weapon skill set. I hardly ever use sword 3 as cPS, not in the rotation so yea, still might be some hope for this and raids.

Sword 3 is a dps increase to your rotation once the boss reaches 50%…

Meh, not in qT’s, whom I follow…like a lemming, lol:

Blaze Breaker
Flames of War
Shattering Blow
Head Butt
Berserk
Flaming Flurry
Weapon Swap
Fan of Fire
Scorched Earth
Blood Reckoning
Scorched Earth
Pin Down
Arcing Arrow
Fan of Fire
Scorched Earth
Shattering Blow
Scorched Earth
Fan of Fire
Weapon Swap
Blaze Breaker
Flaming Flurry
Flames of War
Savage Leap
Shattering Blow
Head Butt
Blaze Breaker

Keep in mind that in pve and raids many times you don’t use your full weapon skill set. I hardly ever use sword 3 as cPS, not in the rotation so yea, still might be some hope for this and raids.

ah crap, good point, my bad. Reckon good ol stomp then?

Traitline that adds damage and burns to torment? thank you…shame all classes that do torment don’t have that, much needed for pve.
Scourge looking like a very good raid spec due to lots of support. kitten it, I wanted Spellbreaker or Renegade to be the ones but now this is looking better.

I don’t see using the new elite in a raid anyways, so headbutt still a thing maybe.

Just to help make this a bit simpler I am wondering peoples feelings with Spellbreaker in regards to pve viability.
Granted its a pvp beta test but you can still get a general feeling on the dummys and such.
So share away. And yea, I did this as well in Revenant forum…only 2 classes I’m looking at at the moment.

Just to help make this a bit simpler I am wondering peoples feelings with Renegade in regards to pve viability.
Granted its a pvp beta test but you can still get a general feeling on the dummys and such.
So share away.

SoliSnake.9457:

i think firebrand can be awesome tank

honor+valor+firebrand can be awesome (altruistic healing <3)

A healing tank class would be a sweet change! Much like Chrono is strong due to it being low as a dps dealer maybe a Firebrand type healer could be strong in healing as well as tank?

YuiRS.8129:

Not only does it not have a lot of DPS related traits, it is, as you have said, not a condi spec, which means it’s not viable in PvE..

Power is completely viable in pve/raids, as long as the damage is there. If so, this might bring back the power PS for raids, if not, rip.
On your other points sadly I have to agree.

ditto!!!!
(stupid 15 char rule)

Well if Spellbreaker turns out to be a purely pvp build or it hits like a wet noodle on TopChef , Renegade does looks fun! Feels very much like the Ritulaist of which I never got to play so that’s cool! Gotta have options nowadays I reckon. But fingers crossed the new warrior elite is just that…elite! This weekend can flesh it out for sure.

5 man isn’t a raid…its a heroic, or dungeon, or fractal.
and this “Boom, this addresses many of the issues currently surrounding this re-emerging issue.” the only issue is people want something easy to get, period. If I could get any one wish in regards to raids, current and new, it would be less mechanics on the boss fights.
But what I want will never come to fruitation because as I and many others have said, raids aren’t hard. Raids in WOW were hard, but they were different. You had wings and wings of trash and maybe a mini boss before the big guys. Most times you would raid for 2-3hrs maybe 2 or 3 days a week, just to try and clear ONE wing!
GW2 raids people are doing 13 bosses…13!!!! inlike 3 hours or less. So yea, they aint hard. Just for a select few, myself included, they seem to be a bit mechanic heavy, but that’s a learning thing and “de-programming” of years of WOW and ESO raids, that’s all.
So people, please try and focus attention and energy and whatever else into things that matter…balance….less meta focus…..more tanking classes….lol, stuff like that!!

Only thing this game could do with is a few less mechanics per boss fight, that’s all. No easy modes needed really as there are very doable at their current stage. I am 56, the wife is 55, we both come from years of WOW playing and we are both (she worse than me,lol) clickers. That in itself can make raids really really tuff but we manage. She hits top dps on her Ele and I do ok as cPS. So easy mode? Nah, not needed.
But…..having what seems like 12 mechanics in one fight is a bit overkill!! Dodge this, don’t stand in this, watch for his pounding and swinging and oh yea, now find a teammate with the same debuff and get to them! Or you got posion,,,get the f out!!! LOL.
WOW had “don’t stand in the fire” and in the Naxx the evr fun “safety dance” (google it) and with debuffs you simply dropped em behind the group as the tank kited the boss around.
We are getting better though and given that most “raid teams” do 13 bosses in 3 or so hours I don’t see either of our requests happening.

Ok, someone had to it so I will….

https://youtu.be/5QbpGm13aQg

“If that means players ultimately have to invest in HoT, then oh well. More revenue for Anet.”

Yea, but can they really do that? Telling people you don’t need HOT to play POF then making new raids that require a class build from HOT, hmm, doesn’t seem right does it? I could be way off though and maybe like you said….not so much you HAVE to have it, but that it is more efficient to have. I see your point now…..

Bards were fun and viable in Final Fantasy….great support class!!

Rising Dusk.2408:

If Firebrand takes over Quickness, you’d still bring a DPS Chronomancer for permanent Alacrity, and if you have a Chronomancer then it makes sense for it to tank due to its immense damage mitigation. That said, depending on what kind of DPS a condition Scourge is able to deal, it’s entirely possible it could use its excessive barrier mechanic to serve as an ideal tank as well.

That being said keep in mind that the new raids will be designed without Chrono, since you can play PoF without HoT, so cant really require a HOT build for a POF raid. The new elites can be used backwards, in our current raids I am sure but doubt that they would design fights with Chrono, Druid and others in mind for the new ones else that would be requiring everyone to own HOT as well, which isn’t the case.

Ok, I know.. I promised no more posts but this one is bugging me. I have been bouncing around these forums since the expac announcement just to see what the buzz is around it and the new Class Elites. WHile I myself am pretty excited to get something else to try out I must say that it looks like the majority of you all are kinda bummed?
Correct me please if I am wrong but most posts in the Professions forums are mostly “oh man, this sucks” or “I cant believe they did this!” , pretty much all negatives.
So, hopefully I am way off here and most of you are just waiting until next weekends beta to try em and/or the expac to actually drop, then get excited?
I think ANET has done a crap ton of work and while yea maybe some classes will feel worse I think generally we will all be pretty stoked with what we get. I for one can’t wait to see if Spellbreaker is going to be any good in pve/raids and if not my fallback is going to be Renegade, I hope. But either way I am pumped for some new toys!!

maddoctor.2738:

Joxer.6024:

maddoctor.2738:

So Spellbreaker needs to be good at Power damage and offer reliable CC
Power PS: Spellbreaker, Condi PS: Berserker

Ok, I like that and can so get behind it! A bit over condi right now anyways so heres hoping!

Another hint: Power PS was nerfed so even more reason for Spellbreaker to be power dps spec.

But my hoping is pve orientated…..is that what you reckon as well?
And yea, Firebrand is one of those that looks like it to might be a contender for a role as tank.

maddoctor.2738:

So Spellbreaker needs to be good at Power damage and offer reliable CC
Power PS: Spellbreaker, Condi PS: Berserker

Ok, I like that and can so get behind it! A bit over condi right now anyways so heres hoping!

maddoctor.2738:

TexZero.7910:

doubt it.

Memser (Chrono) is just too effective at the role that the only way another thing comes in is if it can also poop out invlunes, boonshare, alacrity.

The thing is, PoF is standalone and doesn’t require HoT. It would be really sad for Anet not to release a good tanking spec comparable to Chrono with PoF. What are they going to tell to their PoF-only players? Go buy HoT in order to tank in PoF?

I believe PoF specs should all have a rough equivalent to HoT specs. So you can do the PoF raids just fine without ever using a HoT-specific spec. That’s one of the main problems of a standalone expansion really.

Yea, that’s why I’m thinking that Spellbreaker and a few others just might be the ones,once the raids drop. Be fun to do HoT raids with new builds but as you said, if I don’t have HOT and I am new to POF, ANET cant really tell me sorry when it comes to the new raids.
Alas, its going to be a waiting game for sure.

Ok, going out on a huge limb here but really am trying to get a handle on what to focus on what with PoF around the corner.
Have played cPS for all the HoT raids and am keen to keep on playing Warrior IF the new elite allows for such. Right now its fleshing out to be a full on pvp build but we don’t really know what the new stuff gonna bring in terms of mobs and boons and such. That said I fine if that’s the case as Renegade is looking to be a strong condi build and Rev was my first raid toon, so going back not an issue (kinda excited really).
But, what about Spell breaker looking to be another tank class? Lots of stripping and such, evades, regen, taunts, and all sort of very tanky stuff. And yea, I get that any class can tank in this game really, but that doesn’t really happen otherwise you wouldn’t see all the “looking for Chrono tank” posts now would ya?
But if Spellbreaker could possible be another class to really look at as tank, I could get behind that.
Again, speculating here and yea, really jumping the gun but the expac does have me excited for new builds and I am really keen to see what they all bring in terms of pve/raid usufullness, therefore all these crazy posts about classes and what will/may be what and all. I probally should just group up all my posts under one title such as “What does everyone else think is going happen?”….lol.
Ok, I promise, last post from around all the new stuff and builds and junk. I’ll wait til the big boys step up and test/theroycraft all this THEN I’ll make 4000 posts as to what/where and why?
Cheers!!

If you are in a guild that raids, then yea, you can. Otherwise the old power Rev for raids is dead, and condi Rev viable for one boss really, from a PUG perspective. That’s why on qT’s site they show the builds but when listing effectiveness it zero. Other classes have stepped up their game and bring more to the fight than Rev did, and our dps just isn’t on par with others as well.
But………..
There is light at the end!!! With Renegade it is looking more and more like we will get a nice condi boost to our builds and some support as well? So there is hope!!
But if you are keen to still raids a go then maybe try out the condi build as condi is the thing right now. Or as I mentioned if in a guild and teammates are cool then they will take you regardless or what you play…sometimes….lol.
Oh, and for future reference it seems qT has taken over the mantle of the go to peeps for builds and such. MetaBattle still posts but many feel they a tad outdated or out of touch whereas the qT guys are actively testing all the time. Or, just make your own and play what you have fun with…always a good option!!!

Not sure what the fix is really. We have a guildie that raids with us and he is in California and his ping is 66!! I liked to fell out of my chair!! kitten it, why did I leave…lol?! Word is that Australia is going to get better once the whole “NBN” thing gets more national and all, but until then if you are out in boonies like us you are stuck with whats there. Where are you, if you don’t mind me asking? I know that cable net is better and when we were in Brisbane we had that and our ping was a much tastier 150ish!! So depending on where you are there may be some hope?
That said we (wife and I) have done all wings or raids, she does heaps of fracts and wvw and we don’t see a “huge” problem. The only issue will be in say a PUG where our dps of course isn’t up to scratch by their standards, but then we run with our static team most times and guildies can be quite understanding.
All in all, hang in there if you really like the game!!

Its a fun class….have actually forgotten just how fun til I jumped back on mine due to Renegade coming. Straight up what Venny said and you be good to go. go to qT’s site and see there builds for something else if you want…or wait a month for the even newer stuff!! Just enjoy mate, they are fun!

CptAurellian.9537:

Which leads me to a much more common issue than dps meter elitism: isn’t it rude to join a group and make content much more difficult for 4 other people because you are too lazy to understand even the basics of class/game mechanics?

This……

And myself am not a huge fan of the dps meters but they have been a useful tool in helping me improve my own dps. Now, if I were to ever be called out because of so-called “low” dps, without them considering my role, the fight, etc. , then yea, there’s an issue. But has yet to happen.