Guild Wars 2

The only burning we’ll ever get is if we’re tied to a stake.

Me personally, I don’t.

I either dodge Signet of Spite, or I get it put on me and I stealth and run and hope that SR is off cooldown and maybe I’ll survive, but maybe not.

Once I dodge that Signet of Spite however, that necro is dead meat.

Burnfall.9573:

i encourage you to count them

anything else?

Yeah. Wrong forum. Post this along with the other reports. Have a good day.

I crash exactly 0 times a day unless I do something to cause it.

So if your computer doesn’t have anything wrong with it, is it mine that has something wrong with it to make it not crash?

Also, where exactly did you pull that ridiculous number from?

Ryyman.2196:

Figured this thread could use more drama.

lol @ the DR BRL thief who accused me and my buddy of hacking, killed me in a 2v20, bragged about it like it was some kind of accomplishment, then chickened out of a fair duel. It’s okay, I’ll let you bring your zerg.

Stay classy <3

LEAVE BRL ALONE!

Gracious.4279:

sitting here rubbing my neckbeard, thinking about shaving it off. no more fuzzy wuzzy

Are you me?

Maybe this look interests you?

Fairly standard t3 chestpiece with a few other tasteful additions.

It’s about as sexy as it gets for human, unless you’re in to the whole trenchcoat thing.

There is a first person mode in the Edge of the Mists testing zone, I tried it out and almost instantly had to switch back, there’s just no way possible for me to play the game like that.

Braclo.7380:

I think we would have seen a lot more screenshots and machinima this last year by players if we had first person camera.

This I think is the main reason why it should be implemented. I think Anet is hesitant to do it simply because then everything needs to be optimized for it, animations need to be changed, people will complain about people creeping up on them. It’s just a whole lot of hassle that Anet isn’t ready to deal with at this point in time.

You’ve got double my specs across the board and I’m still getting a decent 15 at not so bad graphic settings. It could be a problem with your drivers, or it could be that GW2 hates everything about ATI video cards.

Zoneseek.4203:

Jrunyon.3012:

One time use, but you can use them over again with a transmutation crystal.

Can you explain what you mean. I can buy an item that will allow me to use the skins over again when needed?

Heres a quick video explaining the process

One time use, but you can use them over again with a transmutation crystal.

Fortus.6175:

Ok I realize at this point we are both throwing punched in the air, and before we get ‘nasty’ lets stop it, this is what this topic is about and I would like to keep this thread as “thank you, keep it coming” thread.

But to answer your questions I close that topic:

Necros best at running away? We must be playing different games. Warriors, debatable, though they definitely can run away, absolutely nothing beats invisibiity which can well translate into almost invincibility in this game. And yes I play lots of WvW and sPvP thank you. And yes, they were playing D/D, S/D, S/P and shortbow. Look this player up; Caed, he won the tournament, he is a pretty decent player using S/D shortbow.

And yes, I know what a hambow warrior is, also know how a 20k eviscerate feels like on a 2k toughness character, I also know what a 14k backstab feels like on a 2k toughness character.

Lets see how the new patch plays out, but I can tell you right off the bat, .25 casting animation wont stop S/D thief from being the killing machine they are, or will it decrease the normal sight 8k-10k backstabs in sPvP/ 12k-14k backstabs in WvW.

If you need further proof of this I will dig in (to my inconvinience) the video of a guy showing off 16.5k backstabs self buffed and alone in WvW.

And you know nothing about sacrificing survavility for damage; elementalists dont have neither stealth nor clones nor toughness nor health pool nor death shroud nor aegis to fall off when things start going bad, all “defensive spells” (aka cantrips) have the CD of what you would consider elites (75-90 seconds………) while thieves have acess to stealth once every 4 seconds, so dont give me the

Jrunyon.3012:

Doesn’t matter when in order to get those numbers we sacrifice all of our survivability and die in one hit.

because we have about the same healthpool as you do except that we cant stealth and once someone locks us down we are as good as a loot bags.

- I never said necros were best at running away :P I said they have one of the best killing potentials in the game. My friend mains a necro and I have to hear all the time about the less then stellar escape options.

- Last I checked, Caed posted on the thief forums that he will be quitting sword mainhand, as have numerous other thiefs in high level PvP play.

- I agree that you wont stop seeing Backstabs, as now everyone playing sword mainhand will switch to that and the few other builds that didn’t get nerfed. Unfortunately, as a long time s/p and s/d main thief, I had to do this as well for lack of a better option. It’s just too much work to continue using those sets as opposed to switching to a backstab build, which i did a month ago in anticipation of this patch.

- I cannot comment personally on elementalist, however the people I know who main that class agree with your sentiments. I was not referring to elementalists in my comment, I was referring to warriors. Elementalists in WvW have almost always been a free lootbag for me, while running s/d or now running d/d. This is a whole different issue that needs to be worked out, and is not relevant to this discussion.

I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

“Check the latest tournaments ; all winning teams had at least 1 thief. Thieves have been a constant in sPvP and tPvP (as compared to elementalists which had literally 0 representation). The latest tournament was held 2 days ago, won by a petting zoo ranger/thief. Top 4 teams had all thieves except the other finalist which was hambow warr and another petting zoo ranger, so basically the thief defined the win.”

Sorry, your info is negligible as of this patch as I can almost guarantee you every single one of those thieves were s/d. s/d will not be seen anymore in tourney play i can almost guarantee it. Also, simply being on the team does not mean they were the defining member of the team.

“Also, currently, thieves hold second best PvE single target dungeon damage (aka boss killing potential). And we all know damage > anything else in PvE.”

Doesn’t matter when in order to get those numbers we sacrifice all of our survivability and die in one hit. Why don’t warriors have that same problem?

“Lastly, necros and warriors still hold the best killing potential and warriors hold the best running away potential of any class in GW2 in WvW or any other form of PvP”

Fixed that for you

Not being able to draw these conclusions denotes only lack of understanding of the game in the past few months. Tell me Fortus, have you even played WvW since HS and Hammer were given their buffs?

Fortus.6175:

Orpheal.8263:

bad rant

If you think thieves didnt have this one coming, then you must be maining thievs mostly since anyone who isnt a thief knows how brokenly OP they still are. Also, you got a 33% initiative buff. Lastly; Backstab is still as overpowered as always, stealth is as overpowered as always. Also, you got many many other good things in the patch, stop looking at oly the called for nerfs (which are still not enough to bring them in line), among those good things is an AoE heal.

What are you even talking about? Thieves are borderline garbage in any style of play besides ganking uplvls in WvW and running away with stealth. The ini nerf and the changes to sword have made it so the only way to play thief is to abuse stealth and backstabs.

As for the patch preview, yes it was a good thing, and I applaud Anet for doing it. I’m really disappointed however that Jon Peters and the rest of the class balance team have no idea what they want to do with thieves and are not open to discussion about their most important and controversial changes. Destroying sword mainhand because people were using it as half of a teleport stomp (something other classes have access to as well) is absolutely ridiculous.

As for you talk of an AoE heal? Non existent unless we get rid of our whole bar of survival utilities in exchange for venoms and putting 30 points in to a line built for stealth traits, which 90% of thieves will not do. The heal is useless compared to HiS for me and the majority of other thieves.

Asia Skyly.7198:

Do away with Soulbound items in favor of account bound items, and you have a point.

And destroy plenty of markets in the process?

No.

This is also a problem for me

Mirror Owl.7204:

Reducing the damage of stun skills like Staggering Blow and Earthshaker by 25% don’t really matter when I’m still stunlocked for an hour and my base health pool starts at 10.8k. “Use your utility skills” seems to be their answer. Is one Shadowstep and one Blinding Powder gonna get me out of 6 cc’s back to back from a 20-30k health warrior that can basically match my deeps?

This. So much.

Oghier.7419:

Mirror Owl.7204:

S/x has been pummeled to the floor, so that dynamic mobility playstyle is out the window. It’s backstabs or bust, looks like.

I don’t play enough S/D to be an expert on it, so I have a question: How critical is that pseudo-stunbreak on IR when fighting any class that isn’t a stun-spamming warrior? I know it’s always useful, but I wonder how often it’s flat-out necessary to compete in a one-vs-one?

In my opinion, it’s just going to be super annoying to the point where it’s not worth it anymore. I never thought I’d do it as I hate stealth but since Anet is intent on absolutely destroying every fun aspect of the sword they possibly can I went D/D and have not looked back. The only use I get out of sword now is for soloing camps with S/P and PW spamming in dungeons.

Asahi.1487:

How bout this?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQRAqa6YlUmiPXeS6E/5EymCgqC9e8VjlZppgmaQA-jUCBIhhGLMQUAhmqIQ5QFRjtsuIasqbY6YER1WfFRrWKgTlGB-w

It’s better to use this.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJASSjkOFv9O6OMRA-jUBB5QFRjtsuIasqbY6YER1WfFRrWKgTlGB-w

Ghostwolf.9863:

If it was WvW, probably the common 10/30/30/0/0 & 0/30/30/10/0.

I’m curious to know, why the 10 points in acrobatics? Personally I use 10 in trickery for long reach on steal, as this helps tremendously with gap closing. What is the adept trait that people commonly use in that line?

That was a while ago, before they started making ridiculous decisions regarding the class so rashly.

Go S/D and just constantly daze them using the stealth autoattack, using their headcrack steal spell against them when they are low.

OH MY GOD THAT MINI DOLYAK!

Super cute! I love it Anet

D/D is still good
D/P will be recieving a nerf, but only if you wanted to permastealth, and thats lame anyways.
Condi is not bad but don’t expect to get many kills

But yeah, what Zacchary said. Until Anet figures out what they want thief to actually DO in this game, the thief will be all over the place balance wise.

lastprelude.4826:

GinghamLion.3614:

I’m playing a human thief. How much does that really matter? /:

It doesn’t really matter at all in PvE, and in WvW/PvP racial skills are unusable.

Racial skills are very much usable in WvW. Dat Norn snow leopard skill comes to mind If I wasnt completely put off by the size of them I would roll one for sure. Too slow for me. Human is the way to go ;D

OP, I don’t have much to add to the above posts as they cover the basics. S/P is the go to PvE weapon set and it performs magnificently. For PvP/WvW, it all comes down to personal preference most of the time, but of course there will be better performing sets.

Shoot me a mail here or in game if you’d like to know more, I have played a variety of playstyles during the past ~1600hrs on my thief. I’d be happy to show you in game as well!

isendel.5049:

How ’bout just add deathmatch to spvp..? I run a lot of wvw roaming just for killing sake, but ANET seems not to understand that people wants to kill others for killing sake, not in order to control a point (which, btw, leads to enormously bunker focused builds), not in order to achieve some objective, just because killing is fun?

There’s a reason why barely anyone plays sPvP. Anet’s continued desire to pigeonhole us in to certain play styles and stat combos for the sake of “balance” is why I never step foot in it aside from messing around with guildies, and I’m sure many others feel the same way.

I support a PvP server, and would guest to it quite often. Hell, just give us 1 or 2 zones to frolic around in without objectives and let us make our own rules. The Obsidian Sanctum change was a start, but there are limitless possibilities if Anet would only take the chance.

Anet doesn’t want to split game types (ie. balance properly) so therefore, unfortunately, I don’t see this happening.

runeblade.7514:

(s)word thief getting nerfed really har(d)

(A)ll of my hat(e)

Assassin X.8573:

[Ohai] nice fights in AR bl earlier. [SS] enjoyed the back and forth wins/losses.

Yes they were quite fun

LOL have you not been reading the forums at all? Anet just tried this and the backlash was phenomenal (and rightly so).

In my opinion, this should never happen. Yes to new armor skins, no to changing cultural armors.

Nike.2631:

I think when a Norn wears it its a fiery version of their T3.

Have to check once the store actually has it.

No, it shows up as the human t3. You can preview them all now in the mists.

I don’t have the set but this is very disappointing

Ayrilana.1396:

Would you prefer another back piece?

I would, yes.

Arikyali.5804:

Jrunyon.3012:

My thief Nesmee

Those boots…tell me what they are….now….

Please?

I get this a lot, they’re just Leather Shoes, which sit at around 1s on the trading post.

Very cheap, but the best looking boots in the game, without a doubt.

My thief Nesmee

I started thief in BWE 1 and have been playing it ever since. It is an extremely fun class with an extremely high skill cap. In my opinion one will never truly master the thief thanks to the infinite play possibilities that the class is capable of. After almost 1500 hours on the thief, I would say I have used about half of the possible build combinations, and am still learning new things every day.

The thing about the Thief balance changes uproar is that we have been using our thieves for a long time. We are set in our ways, and when Anet wants to take something away from us for stupid reasons (Cast time on IR because of people using it to stomp.. Are you kidding me?) and don’t explain their changes thoroughly, we get upset. As a new player however, you don’t have this problem. The thief as it is is not a weak class by any stretch, Anet just has no clue what they actually want us to do in this game and have, in my opinion, been making poor choices balance wise and unfortunately removing a lot of really fun builds from play.

To conclude, do I think you will have fun as a thief? Definitely. Without a question it is the most fun class to play and will continue being the most fun class to play, at least in my opinion.

Interceptor.2653:

Walker.3056:

Hope u can have a stun break every 5-8 seconds or it wont matter plz share that build

If you need a stunbreak every 5-8 seconds, you might want to just roll another class or avoid Warriors entirely. You’re not supposed to be able to infinitely bail out of your mistakes.

Yet a warrior is allowed to infinitely bail out of their mistakes with high mobility and ridiculous damage soaking abilities, while still being able to dish out damage?

“Balance”

woutterr.5974:

no one has an opinion about how skill 2 changes will affect us?

We will all enjoy being demolished by warriors in the coming patch. It’s what Anet always wanted for us.

Gman.3789:

Cool story bro. Bunch of your fellow server mates doing that on your BL right now too.

I do not attest to being in control of anyone’s actions but my own :O

Burnfall.9573:

A suggestion to thieves;

Yet another post about thieves to be disregarded, courtesy of Burnfall.

Never before have I seen a group of people so mad. 5v1 such brave. very skill.

Stay classy SF

Source?

JETWING.2759:

Engineers, Recros and Rangers still very hard to kill.

Roh-Roh, Watch out for that Recro, Raggy.

Ehehehehe.

What a nice video of every other class with CC and condis after they completely destroy us in WvW.

bravoart.5308:

You can build around the current meta, but no one seems to ever want to.

Because making a whole new build JUST to counter ONE rune set is reasonable, is that what you’re saying? What other rune set in the game requires this?

Oh, none of them do.

Volrath.1473:

Passive Crit chance is caped at 70%

Source?

The wiki says differently.

Wildchild.7502:

Fun fight with FC in that frickin camp at 20h50 Eastern

Geez 30 of you guys. ballistas, AC and Omega against the 7 of us !?

Bro. Stop necroing the wrong thread lol

JustTrogdor.7892:

I want a tonic that turns my character into a taco.

Sorry no tacos, but for only 100g you can turn in to a blue dorito on the map.

DaleF.5734:

I understand that, I really do. Isn’t 4 and half hours seriously extreme though?!

It is very extreme, being on Devonas rest, there’s maybe a 10 minute queue for Eb on reset night, and the rest of the days it is open. Do you know if others were complaining about waiting as long?

There’s not much to say here. You’re obviously on a high pop server, and those people playing have every right to be there as well.