Guild Wars 2

Yes a tutorial zone should be confined to the first few minutes leading up to the first boss fight, or completely skipable right from the beginning. Either way ALL the gating is a huge issue, from weapon skills, utilities, the elite skill, to underwater combat and the downed state. Even gathering nodes are gated! Come on!

All the gating is a massive problem, all of it. Weapon skills, utilities, gathering nodes, story, underwater combat, the DOWNED STATE (which was a new dimension, a selling point, same with underwater combat, being GATED to absurdity!)… etc.

The best thing they added was the compass. Why? Because you can shut it off, which I have done. Now there is no way they are going to let you check a box in your options that will magically undo most of this patch, but if new players getting the grasp of the game is somehow a problem for them (I can’t figure out why that would even be the case, it’s really not that hard unless they are mentally challenged) then they should just have a tutorial option after creating a new character, one people can skip. We already had something like that and it was the first few minutes of the game leading up to the boss bottle, which I had THREE skills to play around with at the time but was then reduced to pressing one and then standing there. Now imagine an old player who has a Golem Butler, pulls out their nice newbie gear, a two-handed weapon that offers 5 skills right out of the box, and having most of all that NULLIFIED, reduced to pressing 1 and… that’s it.

Why they didn’t just put all the stuff like “learn how to dodge” there in the original tutorial area is beyond me. By the way, when I saw that “learn how to dodge” in the corner of my screen after making a new alt to see these changes, I was dumbfounded. I just stood there looking at this. “Learn how to dodge.” I don’t even…

But yes the gating, all of the gating, is really just ridiculous. A brand new player may not realize that that is not how the game is supposed to be, but the hundreds of thousands of players that have been here for longer than 2 days are going to.

wiredrawn.7298:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJlKjwrKB4

This user is only 3 weeks old, I think or a month old!

Very good.

Zaxares.5419:

Glad to hear it’s just a bug too! Little things like this do make a big impact to immersion.

Not simply that, but they add an essence of life or another dimension if you will to the game.

Now may ArenaNet get this bug nailed down in the next patch which should drop within 24h.

The recent build didn’t do it.

Don’t let this fall through the cracks!

notebene.3190:

Mark Katzbach.9084:

This bug has been reported and is currently under investigation. Thanks for your reports, everybody.

I have a question.

What was the human female running animation change 10 months ago? May we know what problem that solved? Some of us asked, no answer was provided.

The old animation made sense and fit. I don’t know why something happened to it nor do I know why it seems to have just fallen through the cracks. Animations are a big part of the game, all the animations.

Minis count as players now..?

notebene.3190:

I created a new necromancer. Have been meaning to, thought it might be interesting to try out the new leveling experience before I most likely, regretfully and sadly throw in the towel.

I have documented from two years ago, and used as recently as a few months back, maybe a little more, the default settings for body type, skin, face, etc (varying hair style/colors and a few other things) that I used R1C2 (row 1; column 2) as my type.

I selected it today for the character, and it’s not the same as my other characters.

Were some body types removed and/or replaced, or did they just get shuffled around? Is there any way, if they weren’t deleted, to get information on what R1C2 is now so I don’t have to spend a few hours creating and deleting the character until I find the right one? Or, in the event it was deleted, to just add it to my private ‘list of reasons’ and not bother?

They did shuffle the bodies around. If I’m getting this right, the body you are looking for now would be R1C1.

I was fortunate enough to not have to deal with that game apparently. I can’t remember what I was doing at the time: probably playing Lineage 2.

This video had a few hundred views and less than a hundred likes/dislikes just this morning.

It seems the vast majority of people are dissatisfied to say the least.

Athena.3579:

Kamui.4038:

Shazmataz.1423:

Please, please, please make missing animations a bug….a huge part of the appeal of GW2 is the little quirks that animations and the like bring to the game.

Yes there are other animations like walking and running ones and yes the little quirks are really, really vital to the game whether people realize it or not. It’s like stopping to smell the roses – such a small thing can have a huge impact.

I hope they look into the other missing/changed animations as well since it’s a pretty old issue now that wasn’t looked into as far as I know.

Whenever I discuss the pros and cons of GW2 (and other MMOs), the animations in GW2 have always been a pro. In addition, they may be the best and most fluid in any MMO I’ve played. I’m glad that this is a bug and not intentional.

Absolutely. The fluid animations are one of the best parts of this game. I fully realized this when I levelled an Ele which now happens to be my favourite character. I love her to bits and the animations are a large part of that!

Ashariel.8490:

Devata.6589:

It’s just been confirmed to be a bug that they are looking in to.
Lets hope they also fix the walking animation when they are working on this.

See: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Female-human-only-has-1-animation-now/page/2#post4392079

Don’t jump to conclusions until you see a red post actually confirming it. The thread was moved by a mod.

It is a red post: This bug has been reported and is currently under investigation. Thanks for your reports, everybody.

Devata.6589:

It’s just been confirmed to be a bug that they are looking in to.
Lets hope they also fix the walking animation when they are working on this.

Here’s hoping. I recall running one as well.

If they fixed all this I would be so much happier let me tell you.

Shazmataz.1423:

Please, please, please make missing animations a bug….a huge part of the appeal of GW2 is the little quirks that animations and the like bring to the game.

Yes there are other animations like walking and running ones and yes the little quirks are really, really vital to the game whether people realize it or not. It’s like stopping to smell the roses – such a small thing can have a huge impact.

I hope they look into the other missing/changed animations as well since it’s a pretty old issue now that wasn’t looked into as far as I know.

Mark Katzbach.9084:

This bug has been reported and is currently under investigation. Thanks for your reports, everybody.

I appreciate the reply Mr. Katzbach. I was starting to get uneasy thinking nothing would happen, as if ANet had forsaken us.

SuperSpicyCurry.2415:

Were human females the only ones that lost animations? That sucks, but I don’t have any female humans so…

Yes I think only the human female one lost its animations. The animation bugs/missing animations effecting it now are driving me insane because it’s like something I was attached to was just robbed and no dev to reassure us is making me so uneasy.

Everything I liked about this game, specifically the character I created, is just going away at this rate, and me with it unless they restore what was lost.

ArenaNet, stop messing around with our characters. I rolled these characters specifically for the aesthetics so PLEASE don’t allow those aesthetics go out the window.

I don’t want to let this go on the back burner…

Our precious running animation was bad enough but this is going way too far. How hard is it to just restore all of this?

Devata.6589:

Great new!! It’s considered a bug! That means it get fixed.

Please also fix the bug of the female walking animation being gone! That has been around for a long long time!!!

God I hope you are correct.

nexxe.7081:

This topic just got moved to the Game Bugs section. Is this confirmation that’s it a bug, or did you just want to bury it in a forum subsection so nobody can see it?

I hope it’s the former and not the latter. Please ANet, don’t mess with our characters…

Oxidia.8103:

This just comfirms that people will NEVER be satisfied whatever anet does. This kittenstorm of profanity comming their way just because they removed human hemale idle animation? Are you serious?? That’s why we can’t have nice things.

Here’s a brilliant thing you should ask yourself before saying something along the lines of people not being satisfied with what they do: what have they done to tick so many people off, and why have they done it? The reason people are never satisfied is because they KEEP DOING THINGS LIKE THIS. Who the hell asked for these kinds of changes? Why are they imposing it on us? What have I done to ANet to deserve them killing aspects of a race/sex choice I made in this game that I purchased? Are you serious that you can’t see the problem in all this? “We can’t have nice things” because people like you seem to think ANet can do no wrong and people like you that don’t care about keeping what nice things this game had, and all that will be left is a grey mass where once vibrant things used to be.

Enough is enough.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

I miss the squirmy one where she puts her hand on her hips and kicks the ground a bit and rubs her thighs together.

Me too. Now my characters are about as interesting as driftwood.

nexxe.7081:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Oxidia.8103:

This has to be one of the stupidest threads ever created on this forum. Along with the emote rage thread.

+1
How much attention to their characters do people really pay? I’ve been playing for just about a year now and literally 2 weeks ago I discovered that GW2 has jiggle physics and that boobs bounce. If I hadn’t seen multiple threads about it here and on reddit I probably would have never noticed that the idle animations had been changed. Why do people actually care about this. Most MMO’s don’t even give characters voices (unless it’s a cutscene) let alone extensive idle animations.

That’s not the point. Animations give life to the character models. It’s what makes them different from other races, or static objects such as a chair. You don’t notice it because it’s a subtle passive effect.

That is correct. It’s also a matter of principles and ANet constantly doing whatever the hell they want with NO regard for us. They outright took from people’s characters and gave us a Norn female idle. I didn’t roll a Norn female, I rolled a human, and I rolled a human because she was more feminine.

What’s next ANet? What other violations of people’s characters are you going to do? I never consented to this – no one has – and yet they keep doing it apparently.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Oxidia.8103:

This has to be one of the stupidest threads ever created on this forum. Along with the emote rage thread.

+1
How much attention to their characters do people really pay? I’ve been playing for just about a year now and literally 2 weeks ago I discovered that GW2 has jiggle physics and that boobs bounce. If I hadn’t seen multiple threads about it here and on reddit I probably would have never noticed that the idle animations had been changed. Why do people actually care about this. Most MMO’s don’t even give characters voices (unless it’s a cutscene) let alone extensive idle animations.

EDIT: Also, I really hated the idle animations on human female anyway. They looked ditzy and ridiculous like they were some kind of stuck up kitten at a frat party waiting for some dude to come compliment her on her boob job.

Yeah? Well guess what, I don’t care that you hated it, nor do I care about this fantasy situation you concocted to legitimize your irrational hatred for it. They took from our characters, they violated our characters, and they are making our characters hollowed out husks.

Yenrah.8532:

I levelled 4 human females because of the animation… Now they just stand there looking silly…

All my characters have been as well. It’s really the only race/sex I like to play in this game, and every kitten update seems to be taking all of that away little by little.

ANet, this is too far. I’m drawing the line here before it gets even worse and my characters all turn into male or neutered ones.

The patch has been, for the most part, an abysmal failure. Any good it brought is completely overshadowed by everything outright terrible about it.

What we see happening here is essentially the Communizing of GW2. They frequently make changes no one wants under the auspices that it’s “for our own good”, they frequently ignore our pleas and protests effectively telling us to just shut up and drink our juice, and they assume the lowest common denominator which the OP eloquently referred to as a “brain-damaged flea” is the average player in any way.

ANet, your players aren’t infants. Most of us are adults for that matter, adults that have been giving YOU money. I paid for GW2. I bought gems to support GW2. I spent a lot of time on GW2. Despite all the ups and downs, I still had a lot of faith in GW2. I did not however do any of that to this current game, whatever the hell it is, because it is definitely not GW2.

You are destroying everything for some kind of insane social experiment from what I see. Not only all these major changes, but the little ones as well, particularly to female humans – perhaps the most common race/sex choice in the game because they were feminine among everything else, and every update or so progressively seems to kill off the femininity of my characters, characters I spent time on and adore. I’m speaking about the new Glorious armours which I was REALLY looking forward to (which pretty much just look like male skins), and you apparently have lost some my character’s animations.

It is now personal.

Ashariel.8490:

Anet, please don’t mess with the player character, especially when people are used to their character for a long time, it’s quite an important rule in MMO territory.

Bring back the missing idle animations.

Players grow attached to their characters, especially when we have invested so much in them.

You speak the truth, completely. This has been the most depressing thing I’ve had to face when logging into what appears like a completely different game and not the one I bought years ago. The other actions they took were frustrating and downright enraging, but this just saps the life out of me and my characters.

I… I have no words.

Is this real life?

Devata.6589:

I do not know what it is but it almost looks like ‘quality-control’ inside Anet is very heavy focused on sexism but in an extreme feminist way of thinking (you know what I mean I hope, hard to explain).

You see, it’s when they stretching their hands above their shoulders they also put there breasts more up.

Female human characters also used to have a more female-like ‘walk’ and that also suddenly got taken out without any information about it or note in the changes or even a reaction on the forum after many people where upset by it. And as far as I know that’s still gone.

@Oxidia So why this is stupid? It was one of the better animation and give a little bit more ‘live’ to a character.

Don’t remind me. They seem to be doing whatever the hell they want and “TO HELL WITH THE PLAYERS.” The little things are what keep people around and they just keep removing what good this game had and replacing it with some neutered bullkitten or nothing at all. I picked human FEMALES, not a MALES or “gender indeterminates.” I picked them because of the very things that ArenaNet appears to be taking away.

This better just be a bug and not some intentional action on their part. Either way they have to fix this. I was already at the tipping point and this has pushed me off the edge. Nothing is sacred anymore!

Come on ANet, this is ridiculous. You have honestly gone too far. Dealing with the patch is bad enough but now you are making it personal, assuming this was intentional (for WHATEVER ridiculous reason that is). Bring it back..

I encourage people to also submit a bug report while in game. Game Menu → Support if you’ve never done it before. Select Creature or NPC under Area, and then Animation under sub-area, I guess.

Paradox.1380:

1. They tested it in China. Works great for them.
2. Do NOT place your knowledge base/experience on others in shoddy “Everyone Knows” science.
3. ANet has more metrics and more information than you ever will about the over-all feeling of the start of the early game.
4. I am sorry you don’t like this change/idea but its already coming, adapt or move on is all I can tell ya.

1. I’m not Chinese. I don’t live in China. I don’t have the same personality, ideals, or anything like them.
2. It’s not an ad populum argument like you assume. The average player is not a braindead imbecile. The AVERAGE player knows what they are getting into when they see “MMORPG.” I paid for an MMO, not an iPhone game. Tetris is far more interesting at this point.
3. Assuming that’s true in any way, they sure as hell are doing a great job at alienating everyone they claim to be working for. Your benevolent metrics don’t take players into account because they don’t exist or don’t represent the actual players. It’s like having a politician as a middleman, one we didn’t choose or vote for but one that is there talking for us nonetheless. This is killing the product, plain and simple.
4. This is not an issue of adaptability. Adaptation is what makes things interesting. Adaptation is what we had before this patch: now we are reduced to children sitting on Santa’s lap and asking him ‘how does snow happen.’ The only thing to do at this point is for people to take their business elsewhere. I personally am not going to spend another dime on this game until they do something about what they have done to it.

Angelica Dream.7103:

ANET is simply taking any sexyness out of the female. Look at all the new armors.

It’s really, really, REALLY frustrating me.

Taygus.4571:

Kamui.4038:

Taygus.4571:

could it be to minimise server load with the mini change? as everyone and their dog is running with a mini?

No. It’s either a bug or ANet kitten my characters.

what meakes you think it’s a bug?

Why else would it be missing? What logical reason would there be to just remove something like this?

This patch is killing everything I enjoyed about the game. I wanted to make 2 more alts but I sure as hell am not going to do that now. Some of the animations are missing from my level 80s now as well which is driving me up the wall. It’s as if ANet considers nothing sacred and they just go ahead and do whatever the kitten they want.

Nothing is going right and I can’t enjoy the game anymore. This patch is a living nightmare and an insult to the intelligence of every player.

Taygus.4571:

could it be to minimise server load with the mini change? as everyone and their dog is running with a mini?

No. It’s either a bug or ANet kitten my characters.

Surbrus.6942:

This nerf was to bring the aesthetic power level of humans down to be more in line with other races. Previous to this, the other races were at a large disadvantage, as they were largely the same except clipping/stretching/mega shoulders/oddly fitting skirts and other features on non human gear unfairly lowered the non human aesthetic power level.

This nerf to human idle animation is simply part of Anet’s vision for game balance.

I can’t tell if you’re being facetious or not.

CharrGirl.7896:

Apparently they removed that animation with stretching your hands above your shoulders for human females.

Too confusing for new players? C’mon Anet that ain’t funny, I really liked that animation on my elementalist :/

Exactly. My ele is like a lifeless husk now. I feel violated to be honest because they just took it away. I only hope this is a bug that will get fixed. I already made a thread in the bug forum.

GeminiArcher.7809:

Kamui.4038:

They make the game; they are where bits of personality and flare come out and I have gotten very used to it.

Personality and flare? What about those of us who don’t want our characters to have an oh-so-cutesy personality? I roll my eyes frequently when I see those. I’d like to be able to choose which animations I have, not get consigned to being ‘cute/sexy’ for daring to be female!

Your feelings are irrelevant in this matter. Something that was there was either removed or has become temporarily lost in coding. Nothing was added but everything was taken away. Do you understand? It’s like a violation.

The femininity of the human female was one of the few reasons I didn’t shelve this game and why I love my Ele so much and her animations. It’s also the reason this race/sex combination is probably the most common one. Now my character is like a lifeless robot and I haven’t realized how much time I do spend looking at the idles, like waiting for bosses and other events to start or just talking to people in cities, than I have now that they are missing.

I was going to start some alts today but that is out the window now. I can’t even enjoy my idle experience anymore because my human female’s animations are missing. They are just gutting everything in this game and leaving us all out to dry.

Every major change has been nothing but complete failure. I don’t want to go over it all again, there are a lot of threads detailing the horrid state of the game since this so-called update. Bring it up in map chats and everyone is going agree that all in all: it’s something that should not have happened to us.

Does ArenaNet hate their players this much? I can’t help but think they are trying to kill off the playerbase and thus its future, or that this is some kind of sick joke being played on us. How the hell did this update happen?

Vayne.8563:

Swizzle.7982:

“In most games, you go out, and you have really fun tasks, occasionally, that you get to do, and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. ‘I swung a sword. I swung a sword again. Hey! I swung it again.’ That’s great. We just don’t want players to grind in Guild Wars 2. No one enjoys that. No one finds it fun.” ~ A Sword Swinging Backpeddler

And people wonder why Anet won’t talk to them. A quote from a four year old video is still being quoted today and used as a weapon of sorts.

Anet should just shut up and stop saying anything. It might come back to haunt them.

They’re doing a pretty kitten good job of shutting up and just making changes on a whim without actually consulting the ones that are paying them, and of course using you as a conduit for what they are thinking and then attempting to get others to ignore the massive elephant in the room, since that’s all you seem to do around here.

kikojak.7051:

what even this?? First i hear hearts got made like in traditional mmo quest.. Bland and boring in early zones than i hear weapon skills are aquired through level grinding and u cant go in pvp till lvl 30 and now this??

At this point I’m hoping it’s a bug and not part of this “feature pack.” For a feature pack they sure took out too much for me to think about again right now.

I want my character back.

Pibriamal.8719:

Kamui.4038:

Pibriamal.8719:

Please tell me this is a bug and not part of the feature patch. Other races have had their animations removed too.

Good to know. I hope it’s just a bug which they’ll fix because I’m losing my mind for some reason because of this. I haven’t realized how important something as simple as idle animations could be until I lost it.

Please ANet.

The characters I play are all 80s, so I can’t say much about the new leveling system, but this makes me more mad than anything else this patch. More than FGS nerf. If it’s intended, oh boy. The little stuff like this were what made the game for me.

Precisely. I can handle buffs and nerfs but I can’t handle the loss of the little things. They make the game; they are where bits of personality and flare come out and I have gotten very used to it.

Once again: please ArenaNet.

Gibson.4036:

To be fair, it is weird to see an NPC yawn while listening to her lover talk about the death of her sister.

Too bad they couldn’t just have a way to stop idle animations during those NPC dialogue moments.

Man, WHO CARES. You see this crap scene for a few seconds and then you’re off to do other, more important things. My characters are for how long I play and have played this game, and that road is nearing its end the way things have been going this patch.

Mala.3861:

I hope this is not intentional.

I sarcastically said in a thread about the new leveling that maybe their goal was to make the game more boring. Removing animations would certainly add to the boredom factor.

Boring and lifeless. My toon is akin to paint drying now.

This patch is a nightmare.

Pibriamal.8719:

Please tell me this is a bug and not part of the feature patch. Other races have had their animations removed too.

Good to know. I hope it’s just a bug which they’ll fix because I’m losing my mind for some reason because of this. I haven’t realized how important something as simple as idle animations could be until I lost it.

Please ANet.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

kitten the explanations of “I got my feelings hurt because Kasmeer didnt look sad when she should have”

unless this is a performance enhancement for the large influx of new players you are expecting, put the anims back.

Nah this is no performance enhancement, not a chance. It won’t even effect frame rates on a potato.

If this was because of a ridiculous complaint by a nobody that they were upset about some stupid characters I don’t give a flying kitten about then I’m only going to be that much more infuriated at ArenaNet’s actions. This better be a bug that will get squashed.

Rath.6248:

Jade Arkadian.9280:

Yes it does when you make a new character and find out that almost every single aspect of the game is locked (Even dyes and the wardrobe are locked..). Everyone who comes from other mmos says “Oh, just 10 skills? Its that all? Im used to play with almost 32 skill”

Just, what were they thinking?!! Most of people DONT like it. Just have a look all of thoses messages complaining about feature patch. Not enough? Well extend that to reddit comunity, fan websites,social media etc…

The forum and reddit community are but a tiny fraction of the playerbase. Do not try to speak for the massive majority who don’t even give a single kitten about the forums or reddit.

Keep telling yourself that while denying the thousands of views all these threads are getting, even when they haven’t been up for longer than a day.

You’re just burying your head in the sand like the proverbial ostrich.

Yeah I’m glad for the changes. Having to press more than 1 ability in the starting area was just WAY too confusing for me. I didn’t know what a healing ability was either until that giant arrow appeared. It’s not like I could see the big red circle at the bottom of my screen shrink and the numbers get smaller as things were attacking me…

Jesus Christ ArenaNet, what have you done with this game?