Yea I gave you a wrong description back then aswell used some tooltip numbers … wich apparently are wrong >_>
The real damage of those skills are:
Hammer
24743 over 2.75s -> Positive Strike, Negative Bash, Equalizing Blow
20870 over 1.25s -> Electro-whirl
25942 over 2.25s -> Rocket Charge
24120 over 1.75s -> Shock Shield
34559 over 1.25s -> Thunderclap
Grenade Kit
8192 over 1s -> Grenade
17873 over 1s -> Shrapnel Grenade
2786 over 1s -> Flash Grenade
12203 over 1s -> Freeze Grenade
15256 over 1s -> Poison Grenade
28924 over 1s -> Grenade Barrage
Without quickness, full buffed power meta against HEAVY targets. The reasony why you don’t see power scrappers at all is probably because of the bad influence of “famous” ppl and their recommendations. Most engis nowdays are newcomers who play engi because of the raids, not vice versa.
If you got questions go ahead
Greez!
- Ziggy
Yeah I only made an engi cause I wanted scrapper. But after making it, people told me, go condi… I was like, yeah no, I dont like the pistols and really dont like rifle. So I made power bunker build, and since then been changing it up a bit to make a mix build when I need to a different playstyle.
Although, I’m still experimenting with my build too. I’ve change it a bit since the last time I posted it here, but still experimenting.
The event, is more for smaller groups and roamers to do to help them to take objectives.
Uh… no. Smaller groups will take 15+ minutes to finish the event. A zerg can do it in a couple of minutes.
The event is obviously made for a borderzerg to swoop in, get it before the enemy server can even react and then cap everything that’s halfbroken on the entire map.
The ease of capping afterwards for roaming and small groups also assume the border is already flipped not long ago. Taking a T3 keep with the oasis event make little difference to roamers – it will still take ages to cap. Again, the event is obviously made for entire border zergs that can quickly exploit the event results.
Actually, I’m more right, cause to take a zerg and do it, when a zerg can build 4+ Super rams easily, its a waste of time for the zerg to do the event. They be better off just taking all the objectives as they get to them.
We just had a zerg try this on T2, they got the even in like 10 mins, yes… Yet they failed to take either keep that was held by their enemy… So, yeah…
The enemy had fully repaired the opposite side keep before the zerg had even got to it. and the zerg focused on another keep and still couldn’t take it due to the fact the enemy was repairing and sieging it up.
Hello, ANet tactics… Oasis even only benefits roamers and small groups… if that zerg had focused on the keeps while us roamers were doing the event. They would have gotten both keeps.
Those are some balanced piercing auto attacks
We used to complain about 8k Backstab from Thieves when the game was released. Now Heavy classes do 8k auto attacks from 1200 range (or 14-17k bursts every 3 seconds if they press 2 and get lucky).
I understand the concept of inflation but I didn’t think MMO skill damage was also subject to it.
Note… Some commanders, not myself that is, prefer to run lots of Revs using Hammer 2. They don’t care about Herald and the protection boon stuff… They even tell people on TeamSpeak to spam Hammer #2 skill CoR over and over… It downs a lot of people and makes the game seriously boring and broken even if you’re one on the team that doing that.
What people said about toughness, yes, 3.3k armor is good even having health point pool of 28k good. You’ll still get 50% health taken if they land the hit. One way though to counter the Hammer 2 train though is to run more retaliation boon build. So that way, they crit you for say around 18k… they crit themselves for the same amount. Love how retaliation reflects all incoming damage back to source, while still having you take the damage. Then it becomes all about who has the larger health pool… Welcome to the world of tanky high health builds…
I had tried engi, pre-HoT, pistol and rifle were about as interesting to me as playing a class to 80, deleting it and repeating the cycle over and over… Hammer and the gyros picked my interests after HoT released, but I know people that I played with had tried Engi pre-HoT and were like “Don’t waste your time”… I eventually decided to try it myself and boom… Fell for the class, hook line and sinker.
Hammer is nice though limiting as I’m pure melee with it. Yet, having stealth and a long reflect boon Some stability in a pinch and much more… I find I swap out elite skills and utilities when I just want to change up my game play. I admit its the most fun I’ve had out of all the professions I’ve tried up to this point. I don’t actually want to try another profession right now.
Oh no… should I have said that part, ANet may read this and decide to break something on Scrapper now
Here the Centaur 1-5 skills…
Note: There is a skill (No. 5 skill on the banner) that changes the utility skills into some sort of attacks. If someone could add those for those that don’t know what the Centaur banner can do.
And yes Outrun a Centaur literally can wreck a thief and ele quickly at a 18,950 hit direct damage over 10 hits.
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However, now on T2 at least, its about like coverage every now and then during the day, but at NA prime its got a lot of coverage in EB and that’s about it.
Indeed that’s about it. Yesterday in EU T4 primetime we had ~60 man queue on EB and outmanned in all 3 borders. Yeah that’s how kittening bad it is and how much people despise the borders. Lets not even mention the coverage during the day. The victory of the matchup will solely be determined by the efforts of the night/morning capping crews. WvW working as intended I suppose :/
A little havoc group went to my server’s borderland last week and tried again earlier today, to take everything because we were strong in EBG but not in any border lands. They nearly succeeded, if about 10 people hadn’t been dragged into our borderland to take it back. We did have a fight at Oasis event which is rare, but after that, didn’t see anyone from then on… All some need to do is go to the borderland and they can really mess a server’s PPT up badly. Yet, “No we want to stay in EB” grumbles
Yeah like what I use to hear a lot, everything kitten had like 24/7 coverage before HoT. However, now on T2 at least, its about like coverage every now and then during the day, but at NA prime its got a lot of coverage in EB and that’s about it.
As for populations… Most people went to working on the guild hall upgrades. And sadly, the way the ANet Guild team designed guild hall upgrades you practically have no reason to do WvW and still get WvW guild auras and stuff to level up higher. If they had made it like use proof of heroics to upgrade like you have to use PvP reward potions to upgrade the arena you’d see more doing WvW likely.
They had also redid the way a server population is counted in some patch like 5 or 6 months ago. So, that reflects that fewer people are doing WvW on the lower tiers and even on the top tier servers. They use to be a time when they were like 4 full pop servers or more. Yet, now that its about WvW population, its not a lot of people it seems
I know that I and others that do WvW almost non-stop will say too. PvE content is downright boring. That’s why we do WvW. Yet ANet thinks that most want to do PvP or PvE only. While I’ll do PvP from time to time, there is no reason to it for me. I mean in WvW, at least it makes more sense when attacks are coordinated and for anyone that liked RTS like games, its a nice little thing that reminds you something of RTS but even now, that’s like boring in non-prime hours. Like in a lower tier server I use to play on, Yeah we can take everything on EBG and all the borderlands and not see one person in that servers prime hours. Yet, what fun is that?
Therefore, I hope ANet realizes this and fixes it. Cause if they don’t only the diehards will keep doing WvW while others go elsewhere in the game or leave for games that give good open world PvP game play.
In WvW, it can be the sole reason that cause you to win outmanned fights. Just this morning, I won a 1v3 because of the function gyro and stab core and I have had plenty of other situations where it has made all the difference. Before you ask, all 3 where tankish zerg builds so mediocre damage on me (2 guards and a druid, gg trying to spike a downed one without stab).
So really, its pretty much amazing in WvW and completely redundant and pointless in PvE.
And useful in PvP too, though not as highly needed I think there. WvW it helps a lot…
The concept of “solo-roaming” only existed as a consequence of a massive loss of players after the initial surge of WvW was gone. Since WvW’s beginnings, groups have taken priority in effectiveness. Duos and Trios were considered valid. Solo, though? No way. Only the reduction in population has allowed the “role” to flourish.
You won’t find a server with a sustainable population that allows this to happen. Unless you only like flipping camps and not fighting other players, T1/T2 is where you have to go. it’s blobby, and every single person running in a gank squad is running the cheesiest, dirtiest, most overpowered builds they can with the full intent to 5v1 you, but it’s the only tier where you’ll get action.
I transferred out from the middle/low tiers a few days ago because I was quite literally our entire map presence. No guild, no tag, no pugs. Outnumbered 24/7, teamspeak empty. A group of five held our entire server’s presence back with us ticking for 50 for several days because we couldn’t muster more than three people to fight.
Like you I transferred out cause of a guild I was in to a T2 server, sorta regret that decision. But anyways live an learn…
Even on lower tiers they have action, but its not on the scale that T2 is, and I’m assuming T1 is too. T2 has blob v blob at times with one server having maybe 2 blobs in EBG running at the same time. Yet, you’ll still find some roaming around trying to pick off people that are trying to get to the blobs after they respawned at xyz keep waypoint. Or that are just running around trying to find the enemy blobs to keep an eye on them.
I don’t like roaming in EBG during the servers prime hours. Its painful at times. However, on the BLs its not so painful and you’ll find some fights some times, but its maybe 1v1 or 2v1, its nothing generally massive unless for some reason one of the servers is upset with another and decides to storm Earth keep… Seen that happened now twice and both times it was around 20 or so taking just that objective and not really taking anything else.
I main both Warrior and Engi. Scrapper made engi a bruiser, with the hammer, which is the sum of a lot of warrior weapons (GS, Shield, Hammer…) with the utility of an engi.
ask choovanski. He will tell you the same (more or less)
But it hasnt really replaced anything – the Warrior in WvW was obsolete before the Scrapper came along. The only reason we brought warriors was for banner and perma-speed (netiher of which the Scrapper provide). Speed was replaced long ago by Guardian marks and bannering has gone out of style in favor of pirateshipping and steamroll pushes. Warrior hammer stun pushes? Oh man… that’s like years ago.
That said the Scrapper is a fun frontliner.
Actually, for some groups I ran with pre-HoT Warriors weren’t even sought after for banners cause when they did have fights on lower tier servers, it was more of what T2 would call a small group vs a small group. Back then we wanted Guardian more for the ring of warding thing than anything.
And yeah, scrapper is capable of frontliner, but I am still seeing people in a WvW guild I’m in are more focused on what they used pre-HoT and right after HoT released with the elite specs than putting Scrappers in the frontline Hence, why I just do my own thing and push with the frontline when I want to. Though, most in the guild know by now that I’m not squishy nor weak compared to what they claimed engi was when “They” supposedly played it. I wonder now thinking about it, if they even understood how to play engi or scrapper cause we have the highest skill curve in my opinion of all the professions.
idk op, ive found that when a mes bunker has no stab, hes blocking or evading. and vice versa. ele is similar, but uses stunbreaks or projectile nullifications instead.
Stone heart, too on Ele to prevent crits. Though that may be a wasted trait.
Yeah, every elite spec has a or multiple weaknesses, but still for some reason, people that know their specs well can compensate for them generally. Like Mesmer using stealths and gravity well and interrupts to avoid issues while blocking and evading or waiting for endurance to refill or etc.
I’ve seen a berserker (warrior in elite spec) dueling and he seemed powerful, but he was blocking most of the time while waiting for people to do their high damage skills then to do his after that. He beat a lot of people yet, has a flaw of his own where you hold back and block his burn or interrupt his burn, he’ll get downed then
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Im on ros atm, I can go 2 hours of solo roaming on the borders without meeting a soul. After 4 hours you might find one nike warrior who’s there specifically to avoid fights. I was once on Gandara for a short while and it reminded me of what roaming used to be. You could get a 1v1 or 1vx atleast every few minutes.
Saying that if you roam on the bottom tier server for an indefinite time you can technically eventually get a 1vx is misleading, it will take hours.
Not if its a T7/T6 server like Kaineng. You are likely playing on a BL or in non prime time hours. I often found people to pick off just watching the maps and things that were taken then running to what I thought the next would be and meeting them either at it or half way to it and killing them there.
It was fun, but yeah on lower tier servers, it was dull during non-prime hours. You could go like 6 hours and maybe find one other roamer, but during prime hours, you could find a few roamers here and there. The same is true of servers all servers too. You’ll likely not find many people on in non-prime hours for that server. But on T2 and T1 you’ll get hit with a EB queue if you’re on in the perfect prime hours cries
Fixed that for ya. Now that the skill cap is so low, and everyone just plays professions to their maximum potential by rotating some skills and chain-casting damage immunity effects, the ESL players can now properly mitigate any advantage a particularly skilled thief may have against them.
What I don’t understand is many thieves who make the class to troll with, act all trolly in-game, and then lose fights and then get salty when they fail at trolling because they got their faces melted by someone better than them.
I’ll add my two cents. I came to GW2 and liked the light armor mage like classes, made each, thief was the bane of my staff ele (until I figured out d/d ele) and of my memser. I hated them so much that I made one just to learn to play it and if possible how to counter it. It made me furious, cause at the time I was doing it, thief seemed to have a high skill cap and high risk to reward ratio.
Now in present day, All other classes (scrapper, reaper, chrono, dh, rev even… tempest, and I’m assuming others) can have enough ways to evade or stop the big damage from happening that people that run thieves in WvW have to run two or more thieves together or use objective guards and other combative NPCs to their advantage.
Example, a thief camping a camp in WvW was able to hold it for a short time by using the guards and stealthing as way to pick off people while being able to keep them from focusing on him. Once he lost his stealth cause a person revealed him, he got downed pretty fast Yet, he had successfully defended the camp and beat like 5 people that kept coming to try to take it. Bravo, but poor thing he needed the NPCs to help him which was sad.
People still play WvW. And ANet can’t let us that do play WvW quit as many would leave the game then because most of us do not like PvE especially the grind fest of the same content over and over in the HoT maps.
Yet most people don’t hang out in borderlands anymore cause of the well… bad map design lets say. Also most people that hang out in EBG do so and roam even when no tags.
You have to also think too its the holiday season, and also think too… People can run in guild groups and never have a tag. We do it at times when we don’t want pugs following us. And a heads up T2 isn’t dead, just has its off and on moments.
Would have imagined this to be a nice tool for commanders. But I guess everything is just exploited, builds, skill bugs, anything to get a cheap win people will do en masse.
This stuff is small compared to blob stacking, blobs only leaving walls when they have more numbers..seige bunkering.
Honestly the biggest problem with fights is still people dying in the first 2 seconds. A L2P issue if you will.
For commanders to run themselves, most certainly not. You can’t drop any siege while using it. Therefore any commander running it has to rely on the people that follow to drop siege. Also, its harder for people in the zergs to follow who has say Turtle banner if they don’t have a tag, unless that turtle banner person can stay on tag the whole time then it helps. Why I say this is because all the banners really are about positioning for the maximum effect. and the invulnerability that you can get from a banner like turtle banner skill, is good but only hits 10 of the closest people to the holder. So it really isn’t that exploitable
And as everything in WvW really is, everything is about learn to play, but add to that, learn to coordinate too. I see people not calling out water fields, not calling out pushes and retreats, not calling out bubbles for shield gens and cata masters, etc. Its rather sad. But people are slowly learning though it has been this case for over a year or more now. (minus shield gens that didn’t exist pre-HoT).
Actually, its a fun banner to use, but its rather annoying too. I seen Centaur, Dragon and Turtle banners used by 2 of 3 sides in WvW on my server. If you’re in a blob you likely will have one, if not two different banners. If your opponent has a blob too, its likely the same way. Its rather interesting, but Dragon banner fire road skill thingy, is a 9k Fire damage hit per tick. Yeah, most people weren’t noticing it and just stood there thinking condi cleanse was enough to save them. 2 to 3 seconds and they’re downed.
Agreed with Artaz.
The PvE equiv is;
alacrity/group quickness
breakbar
boon share
combo fields
Vulnerability stackingAs long as this remains and applies to all bosses any profession that can provide these will be the ‘in group’…again, poor warriors. It is just too locked in at the moment for anything to change.
A PvE question, if they removed break bars, wouldn’t that help to break up the bunker meta?
A PvP/WvW comment. Nothing will get rid of the bunker build as long as people are so easily able to do large amounts of damage to each other. You need to really run a bunker build to stand a chance and then if you go against a skilled player that maybe running the same, Its a luck of the draw moment.
As for the PvE question, I’m sorry, just curious.
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Depends on situation.
Ofc there are places for HT to be, mostly fractals. Yet isn’t that exactly what we wanted? A heal skill with the same strength as HT? Finally we have it.
Yeah in WvW, HT is not much useful unless you are using it to heal where the back line is. or do a deploy, overload, blast tool belt skill rapidly in a spar of the moment sort of thing. Gyro is more useful, but its bad too, in other situations in WvW. So its a toss up… like most things with Scrapper, its entirely situation dependent.
I do a lot of organized WvW play, therefore I don’t have to worry about a mobile water field, then I’ll use HT. However, roaming or when I don’t have a lot of eles calling out water fields, I’ll fall back on healing gyro. The overall game playstyle I have works well with Elixirs, HT, and gyros. So for me, its not so important to stick to one or the other, I change up depending on what the situation calls for or what I want to do that day.
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If you are complaining about marks and wells, well you have an issue friend. Apart from revenant, I do not see any op ranged damage. There are strong ones, but you have to sacrifice defense to use them properly. And that is not very wise in this bunker/condi spam meta.
Some builds have enough survivability that they can stack power and sacrifice precision and still be bunker spec’d and survive condi/direct damage bombs. It’s rather sad, but in a few zergs I’ve ran with in the past 3 weeks, we were seeing lots of heavies thinking they could go in full marauder or zerker gear and survive. It was hilarious. However, in the end, they all got melted fast.
Yet those that took the time added stability, durability, sustainability, and got rid of the notion of don’t need condi cleanse of their own… They all survived. Now, more and more are running condi cleanse, and toughness (maybe vitality) in their builds. I still don’t see many running nomad gear, because they call out for water fields a lot.
I don’t know… best for roaming (not solo roaming) may be Sea of Sorrows or Fort Aspenwood on T2 servers. Although, FA blobs too, if you can find some, that are roaming, they do a lot of PK (Player killing) and recapping things and dueling. SoS don’t blob that much, but they do have many roaming groups from my experience, or at least I see people roaming, not sure if they are grouped up or not.
If you really want to solo roam on T2 servers (TC, FA, SoS) go to the borderlands, you’ll likely find 2 enemies or so there the whole time, but you can cause a lot of havoc with PPT by flipping camps and the northern towers. Not many commanders seem to care much about the southern towers
I don’t know much about T1 servers, but I do know that I did a lot more solo roaming on T6 – T8 servers than I do when it comes to T2 servers and EBG. Yet I still end up often solo roaming the borderlands… while EBG is with a queue at times like reset night.
No good guild uses druids for a reason.
Nah, I can see 1 druid used in a 15-20 man group for the ranged water field (also projectile absorption) + blast. Helps the melee make a big push as well as the regroup. The damage is honestly so lackluster though
Helps in a big push, but most of the times I’ve seen Ele’s (namely staff ele’s) be more sought after. In my guild group we’ll run 1 maybe 2 druids only if we don’t have at least 2 or 4 ele’s. Or if we pick up a pug that is a druid. (Usually we try to run with 15 or more, but if we have like 25 people running, 2 are likely druids). Reason being, Druid doesn’t offer as much versatility as Ele’s with there meteor showers to get ACs and stuff down, and not as much versatility in calling out water fields that are large enough to actually help us. The thing is, too… Druids some havoc groups I run with are target #1 and target #2 is a protection boon herald. Poor things…
If you can find any group that will run with you and help protect yous, then its wise to definitely be organized enough and call out your water field if and when you use it. However, don’t be surprised if people are looking for Ele and Tempest more than druid.
Disclaimer, I play druid at times to help out the guild I’m in, but often than not we have enough ele’s and want other front or black line classes like reaper and warriors or dragonhunters. I would give the build that we use out, but I’m not sure how well that go over with leadership… So hush hush for now.
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ah okays I understand it now. It’s sad but watching some duels in WvW saw where those classes you mention (ele, druid, DH) and even berserker warrior could take down a thief It was like he did 25% or so damage to their health bar and he missed a dodge and got downed.
I use this build for group and zerg v zerg fights… (Still working a few kinks out of it for my personal playstyle, sometimes I use cleric or nomad trinkets, depends on my mood)…
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The reason for the scrapper’s stability on using the function bot, as I can stomp two people at a time, helping to kill downs fast to help rally anyone that is downed on my team.
Its funny though Mohagi’s build is nearly same to mine in traits, but our gear is entirely different as I generally do second push rotations where I swap out sneak gyro for mortar when the zerg’s frontline turn to run back to back liners to heal. I run up to where the front line was and tank while using range to scatter the enemy before needing to retreat myself to regroup for a coordinated attack on the enemy zerg.
NOTE: You will want to get use to swapping out rocket boots for elixir gun, and sneak gyro for mortar as the battle or confrontation situation changes. Example, Mortar works wonders on EBG, but sucks on borderlands. Rocket boots works wonders for dodging the bombs of others and for escape, but in a long drawn out zerg v zerg fight, elixir gun can help keep you and others healed in addition to your and their normal heals. Nothing beats having an staff ele or druid, but they are usually the ones focused on right at start of fights.
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I would keep all gyro, excluding sneak, in pve/wvw situations, and use the weapons we know work in spvp.
To disclaim, I am no hater of dead builds. I play a static discharge build for pve, and often will pop into wvw to roam with it too. I wouldn’t bring that build anywhere near pvp anymore.
I do both team/zerg/blob, havoc and roam in WvW on my scrapper. I, like you probably, had tried all the gyros, I’m down to only using Function gyro and Sneak gyro every now and then. The reason for this is that the heal gyro is weaker heal than I can get from an elixir and has the same time delay. And if I have others with me, its easier for them to stack near a turret I found than for me to create the water field using the tool belt skill.
The purge gyro, well, its okays but I have more condi removes from healing turret and elixirs than gyros. The dps gyros only work if one the person is going to be not avoiding the blast gyro (got many that did dodge it) and that will stay near the shredder gyro… So yeah, that’s smart? I don’t know what they were thinking to not give gyros a better AI.
Getting back to the original posters question. How many people in your team actually blast lightning fields of ele’s and your hammer #5 skill? For me it wasn’t many and the lightning fields that the gyros created did nothing when it was a zerg v zerg fight cause everyone had stability that pushed it or broke stuns repeatedly or teleported. The times I thought it was useful was when running from someone yet they just ran around it cause the gyro was too close to me yet too far from them to catch them by surprise.
Original Poster Question / TL;DR
Do not use any gyros for the final salvo, its really a wasted traited in my experience in WvW.
If I were you I’d go with adaptive armor instead and maybe for some condi duration reduction food if necessary. I don’t find many beyond mesmers that run pure condi builds anymore. Yet, the ones that do run condi Adaptive armor and having some bunker stats seem to derail their bombs easily. I saying that Adaptive Armor alone will keep you alive in a fight. You can without the right gear stats still get large amount of damage done to you. Yet with Nomad or Soldier gear, you can avoid some of the major condi damage bursts.
A suggestion if you’re spec’ing to be a bunker scrapper that has high (2500 to 3300 power rating), start off by a simple auto-attack let them hurt you enough to get all 5 stacks and then drop your bomb. If you have tanky armor at like 3.2k or higher, they won’t generally kill you even if they are in zerker or nomad stats, before you can stun them with hammer 5 and DPS them down with whatever you want to use.
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