Mag Server Leader
For the most part ET and FC have had bigger or similar in size zergs this week. The whole population size argument is a moot point. I was in ET, I am in SF now….Its not the amount of people (saying it over and over doesn’t make it true), sure sometimes we have some big groups….But there have been many times where we have had less than 20 total people in EB, and we are all there defending a keep and its the only thing on the entire map being sieged and everything else is owned by SF….
With that being said, SF participation has dwindled in WvW, I have seen it with my own two eyes. ET and FC seem to have experienced a resurgence, be that from transfers or just recommitting to the WvW realizing that the matchup is what it is and isnt changing anytime soon….
Perhaps the worst part of the WvW scoring/tier system, is that in these stale matchups the scoring system breeds a vicious cycle. The teams fight for a while, then one seemingly takes control…Then a week goes by, then another, then another….Well the dominant team starts to build points to climb out, as the two others lose morale….Then nothing happens….Well the two losing teams are fed up, they fight back, now the score is closer, meanwhile the dominant team has become bored with the stale matchup, there’s nothing really left to do or prove….The scores now aren’t so lopsided as they were two weeks ago…But now all this has done is cause the matchup to last even longer.
I think most of us can agree that the only way SF is likely leaving, is if FC and ET totally quit WvW for a month and let the ticker tick away some ridiculous scores….And that is just not any good for anyone in the long run.
Mag Server Leader
I have a sinking suspicion that the “solution” to this issue is going to essentially be “wait it out, and watch as more and more people leave SF, until they’re on par with ET/FC to make T8 more competitive.”
I guess it WOULD solve the whole “there is no 3rd T8 server,” but I can’t help but feel bad for the situation it puts SF into.
This is the suspicion I have as well…In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if the “off the record” feeling is that well its T8 and in reality just 3 servers. I mean why transfer 1 out, and then have a new miserable T8 to break in and have complain on forums etc.
Mag Server Leader
I’m sure they know this. Either get on the bandwagon and use them yourself or accept this as a fact of w3 life until a change does come.
Surprised you didnt break your keyboard throwing a gear at it as you typed this….The gears are dumb in WvW, can’t tell you how many groups I have run across (so far all from ET server) with 2-3 dedicated gear spammers….and sometimes these groups are 6-7 people only…So its not like its 1-2 people just being nooby/trollish….You cant honestly tell me anet designed the game this way when basically your only option is to take a utility skill to break stun with a 20 second cd, to counter an infinite stun used by a group…..
Mag Server Leader
I have mine consistently lose target. I am attacking a mob go to hit another attack and all of a sudden I have targeted some mob that wasn’t even fighting me.
This particular issue got better for me when I unchecked the box in the options tab that says something along the lines of: Auto Select Targeting (basically the tip says something about GW selecting a target for you if you use a skill with nothing targeted.) I did this mainly because I play a lot of WvW and sometimes I want to use skills without a target such as Rush on my Warrior….Too many times it would auto-select a Moa 20 yards in the OPPOSITE direction I was running and screw me.
Now will that do anything about the fact that you randomly lose targets in this game? Nope, which is why I went back after a week and re-checked that box. Because the only thing worse than not hitting the thing you wanted to hit, is not hitting anything at all once you lose your target lol….
Mag Server Leader
Like many I have said I lose my cursor in larger combat scenarios…IE: WvW most noticeably. The targeting in this game could use a ton of work, most of the suggestions have already been made…In regards to the targeting and cursor issues, it is extremely frustrating on my warrior to throw down a Whirlwind Attack, and during the directional placement I almost always lose my target, or pick another, or pick another thats a friendly, etc…This also happens on characters that use ground targeting skills, its very hard not to lose the original target. Not a huge deal but could be better.
One thing I have a legitimate (in my mind at least) gripe about is that I think there should be an option to remove pets from your tab targeting option. Again in WvW when every Ranger has a pet I cannot tell you how many times I have had to cycle through pets to get a target, rarely do I want to target the pet (ever?), if we had a checkbox to remove pets from tab targeting that would be sweet imo.
Mag Server Leader
One solution would be to add a second temporary (maybe not temporary but make it different somehow) commander tag that isn’t bought with gold but by accomplishing feats or other requirements done in the game instead. Also adding stars (or some achievement status indicator) and names to each commander tag can help identify and indicate the caliber of each commander.
I like that idea, and you could possibly tie feats like towers/keeps captured to the tag and/or starring system you mentioned…I know many would probably complain that being a zerg capping things doesn’t earn you the traits needed to command…but it does more so than paying 100g.
Mag Server Leader
A bit of pure speculation, but I wonder if we could consider Anets neglect of tier 8 as a possible indication of there intent to merge servers in the near future. They may not feel a need to balance the tier if they intend on doing away with it.
That is my thought…discussed it last night….They could likely merge SF and ET or FC and ET. ET being (from memory at my last server transfer) smallest server.
They would need to do more than merging 2 servers. You need a total number of servers which you can divide by 3 to fill up all tiers. That would mean to remove T8 and distribute this population to other servers.
But usually merging servers is a bad thing to do because it implies the beginning of the end. WvW needs some TLC and if they are not able to get the population balanced than at least there should be an incentive for the people left to continue playing it. For many it is just collecting huge repair bills. The drops for the most are laughable ( at least for me ) and upgrades / siege blueprints are another money sink.
That is a valid point, things can be done though I would think there are other servers “stuck” that might could do with a merge as well…In the end its not a perfect plan, was just really saying that I could see ANET trying something like that.
Mag Server Leader
And be truthful about the real situation on your servers please with all the infighting, guilds not working together, and the way people act in map chat. i have talked to several member that came to our server in the week alone.
If people are paying to get out of there and come with awful stories about certain servers then it seems like you need to do some internal work and and start working together.
We’re frustrated. People argue. Just like family. At the end of the day (like last night at Garrison), we pull together to get things done regardless of our disputes.
Enjoy those several members who just joined you in SF. As soon as it gets tough for you guys, the’ll bail on you too. Maybe it’s just my disgust showing, but I have absolutely NO regard for fairweather friends that are essentially stabbing their own brothers and sisters in the back by joining the “enemy”.
I’m just one guy, but FWIW, I will NOT leave Eredon Terrace.
1. Its just a game bro, take off the braveheart facepaint and simmer down.
2. For the record I am one of these “fairweather friends” you mentioned, I left ET for SF. But that had nothing to do with winning or losing. It had to do with things like: map completion, thinking SF was going to move out of the T8th circle of WvW hell, getting a different match up sometime this year, and MOST importantly moving to a server where the participation in WvW only fluctuates slightly.
3. If SF does escape the T8 death grip, and we start getting wiped and people start quitting WvW (Like they did in ET), I will likely leave. I can excuse losing, I cannot deal with people who wont even try. THAT is what happened to ET, its no mystery, every Friday night its a real fight for SF, but that doesn’t sustain. The only reason it doesn’t is because of lack of effort, IE: showing up and representing your server…
3. The arguing in ET was terrible, but the thing that was way worse is when it went all quiet…I was logging into EB at 4-8pm (EST) and there were literally 5-6 people on for ET…
4. Finally, people really, I mean really….Do not act like your server is some kind of glorious bastion that you must defend with your life…We all paid money for this game, if your server sucks leave, I did…Twice…I still have friends on ET, we run dungeons, see each other on the battlefield…But I wouldn’t ever go back, doesn’t make me a coward or a backstabber….Just makes me someone who wants to enjoy a game I paid RL money for and spend RL time playing….I am not going to sit and have a miserable WvW experience for some falsely perceived notion of “server loyalty”.
Mag Server Leader
A bit of pure speculation, but I wonder if we could consider Anets neglect of tier 8 as a possible indication of there intent to merge servers in the near future. They may not feel a need to balance the tier if they intend on doing away with it.
That is my thought…discussed it last night….They could likely merge SF and ET or FC and ET. ET being (from memory at my last server transfer) smallest server.
Mag Server Leader
The current commander system is broken, on that I agree. Terrible idea to base it on gold alone, sure like some said it doesn’t guarantee the person respect….But more often than not throwing that tag up will attract people, luckily I haven’t had to really deal with the obnoxious ones that try to RULE map or team chat.
One of the worst things I have seen commanders do is for 2 of them to pile up at a keep (or anywhere for that matter)….Because essentially you put all of you people in those areas (save for us that don’t always mindlessly rally to a tag)….So then we are left begging for help at the other side of the map opposite of the stacked commanders.
The moral of the story is 100g doesn’t make you a leader, heck 100g isn’t even that much anymore economy wise. But we as players should take some of the blame as well, because you do not have to follow the commander, and you could learn who the good and bad players are on your server and assist/aid them as needed.
Personally I doubt I would ever have the urge to command, it is frustrating enough to read how much they have to work to keep the zerg zombies in line and not to “push to far”, “get away from the keep we are capping the tower”, and the ever popular “SM is not the target!”.
Mag Server Leader
IT’S STORY TIME! (Should be interesting for all of you. — It’s about SF coordination)
My buddy and I decided we wanted to ninja Hills in FC borderlands from ET. I threw two catas down at west outer wall, and we both ran supply to get them up. It was time-consuming, but we really wanted to ninja this place because it was upgraded and seiged well, thus serving to be a difficult place to cap with a zerg.
We then began hitting outer wall, which was reinforced. It went down after several minutes, and then we started hitting the inner wall as well. Now, all this time, we had been updating /t chat with wall percentages and such, and we had warned them that we would need a bunch of them to help us kill lord room. So we get the inner wall down and tell everybody that we need reinforcements to help us cap the lord room.
One person showed up.
It was many, many minutes before ET showed up and destroyed our catas, killing us and repairing the walls in the process. It was baffling, considering all of that time I had been essentially spamming /t chat with “Please come help us at west Hills outer wall, we have inner wall down and just need to cap the lord room”
So yes, we failed. I brushed it off and thought that perhaps nobody showed up because there wasn’t many on this map. But then, just a few minutes after, I went to the 6 o’clock camp and saw our zerg capping it. I thought, where were all of these guys when I needed them?!
That is the people of Sorrow’s Furnace for you. You give them a golden platter full of experience, karma, and a shiny new keep that could really help us out, and nobody cares. It was so uncoordinated that it looked like bots, seeing red or blue on the map and savagely rushing toward it without any type of strategy.
Even as an SF I could realize that the real winners of this match are ET and FC. This is not treachery, this is simply a call to action. We seriously need to improve our coordination.
I have personally thought this on several occasions, if we ever do move up out of T8 there could be some rude awakenings….Standing at the enemy spawn with a fully green map isn’t making us better WvW’ers, nor is running the breakout every chance it’s up (and us backcapping it 5 minutes later) making ET or the Fergs better.
Now there is no way to tell this of course, I mean we might figure out that T7 and T6 even are all about as evenly matched, but I kind of doubt that.
Mag Server Leader
Thieves are OP and can stealth.
Guardians can tank, heal, and still do relatively heavy amounts of damage.
GS warriors hurt pretty bad if you manage to get rooted in their HB.
Ele’s and Engi’s can stun lock you and basically bounce you around the map like a basketball.
Mesmers and Necros are well known to be a pain as well….
The point being is that thieves are OP, but thats because they are basically the squishiest class there is once you take into account HP. Someone else said you can make a tank out of a thief, but as they mentioned your DPS goes so far down you would likely get killed in PvP before killing anything else.
The only tradeoff I would be interested in for a significant reduction in DPS would be if we gained the ability to take no dmg while stealthed. The fact of the matter is, people don’t understand that it takes quite a bit of skill to manuever around 500 circles of randomly place AoE while stealthed and still taking heavy (squishy) damage.
The moral of the story being, sure thieves can end you practically before you see them, but realistically if you survive/counter then many times they are dead meat….
One thing that drives me crazy lately in WvW is that I can 2-3 shot a person, but cant really stand around to flag them because the ensuing 500 circles of AoE and DoTs on me cause me to run away. So like I said take my damage, but give me some survive-ability (preferably immune to dmg maybe not conditions, in stealth)
Mag Server Leader
Those greatswords are sharp. Silly Guardian. ;-)
I think it’s important for ArenaNet to note what begins to happen when servers stagnate in these lopsided matches. Bad feelings begin to fester, accusations begin to fly, and it just gets more ugly as time goes on. WvW is supposed to be about battling an army of faceless opponents…with none of the petty bickering and personal nonsense that occurs in other types of PvP. The current ranking system is running directly counter to that goal, and ArenaNet should consider this along with all the other great arguments for change and suggestions that are being provided.
Well said.
Mag Server Leader
Three, I don’t event know why you actually took the time to post this here. You were very upset about my dance, and I found it hilarious that you were so mad. Not to mention posting it here.
SF now trains their noobs to dace? Wow. Ok that was a real big -1 on the respect-o-meter.
I don’t know why there is all the sudden this fixation with the /dance….Coming from the ET server to SF (thinking that SF was moving up from T8 only to find out I would be facing my former friends), I can honestly say there was a TON of dancing done on SF corpses from the ET side, and there is even more that goes on now.
In fact the more QQing that goes on in these forums about things, (/dance, corpse jumping, siegetrolling, etc) the more I see of it; from both sides. Meaning that if something bothers you in life I wouldnt broadcast it, because there are people that will take pleasure in irritating you about it.
Like I said earlier, I came over from ET, and I was one of the main ones downing SF players buying into the flawed logic that they were truly inferior to us but just had massive numbers and were all horrible people….I am here to tell you today that I have friends on both servers, and both are similar with good players, the biggest difference I can note is that people show up in WvW for SF. Now maybe that is because we are winning, if we move up and get rolled I look for the numbers to dwindle. But stop saying you are vastly outnumbered, maybe you are in participants, but not in population. And please don’t act like that only ET gets 5 vs 1 matchups when running through WvW…It happens to me all the time I run across 5+ ETs and Fergs and they always try to roll me…So it happens for everyone.
But seriously people, stop complaining about emoting, and lack of participation….We all know that on Fridays at reset there are no participation issues, the question you need to ask yourself (and one I constantly complained about during my time in ET) is where are all these people the other 6 days?
Mag Server Leader