Guild Wars 2

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

GavinGoodrich.1382:

Who said anything about headbutting? Hit their supply, keep them guessing, keep skirmishing/picking off things like cannons/mortars that require ginormous amounts of supply, etc etc.

You realize 1/2 the reason SF is a no-show during oceanic is ‘cause we’ve simply rolled over ‘em with massive #’s? You crush morale for the few they have and they simply wait till later to play. No need to continue to do that week after week when we’ve already proven we can.

edit as of this post it’s around 11pm Oceanic and SF still has their keep on EB with a waypoint. And we took one of DH’s towers. And there’s been numerous times in the past we’ve scorched stonemist and towers all the way to their keep until DH rebounds, yes I’ve been on during oceanic to see it can be done. People just don’t want to. Even if they’re not pushing DH, just being on the map with their keep presents a target DH will want to eventually throw all their bodies at, thus buying us more time.

All I wanna do is have us step up our game in a way that also benefits us when our oceanics start to head to bed.

I know it can be done, earlier tonight around 7-8ish i kept flipping jerrifers and klovan with DH trebbing QL with multiple trebs. DH reinforce quickly, we lost a lot of people and lost our momentum and where was SF? 4-5 of them flipping umber and attempting danelon every now and then, which is fine by me, pugs will be pugs but thats all they had in EB? Their corner was untouched (except speldan) they just dont have the players.

I have flipped the entire SF borderlands with rarely seeing an SF defender, if they had people during that time dedicated to push DH when we did, why do they not bother showing up to defend their own borderlands? This all being when we were still in 3rd being dominated.
They never had the oceanic presence for us to both push DH much like our problem with DR. Except the fairweathers on SF is just amazing how many they have. We’re alone in our endeavour in hacking down the PPT of DH during oceanic prime.

To be honest, Nut up SF so what we flip all your upgrades when youre asleep, i’ve logged on countless times to see us losing stuff in our BL and having nothing in our corner in EB, this isnt T8 or T7 NOTHING is safe, everything has a chance of being flipped now, get used to it, fight on.

I don’t think you are listening to what Gav is saying but I will let you two work that out. Once again, call it tunnel vision, call it cherry picking but the focus on SF for whatever reason will always leave IoJ in 2nd and DH in first.

GavinGoodrich.1382:

So you might have seen my lil’ rant on the other thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/IOJ-stop-cherry-picking-SF/first#post2043413 so with lots of begging and pleading and general hissy fit’ing around several IOJ commanders let me know they’d also prefer to put the pressure on DH when we’re able to instead of SF.

I’m inviting SF to do the same. Frankly i think if both servers kinda just redirected their torches and pitchforks torwards DH whenever possible, next week should be a lot more interesting.

I know how it goes—not everyone’s gonna know about this, not everyone’s gonna listen, or care, or maybe they’re just happier doin’ their own thing. That’s fine. All i’m asking is plz direct your nut-punching energy towards DH and not each other most of the time.

As of this post I know of about 4-5 other IoJ commanders that are regulars that are agreeing to it. Should shake up next week pretty good

edit and if some SF commanders wouldn’t mind talkin’ to me in-game or whatnot, i’ll try to relay stuff to other commanders as much as possible. And just to clarify this isn’t gonna be like…planned operations or using the same teamspeak or any of that funky kitten…just a general mindset of “let’s both punch DH in the kitten”

I will do my best to relay this to the masses, again like you said not everyone will listen, so it is inevitable on IoJ someone will eventually say: “WTF they took Durios, let’s get them!”

Just as it would be the same for us at Ogre etc. Like Gavin said the idea is not to form an alliance, as that would be silly. The idea is to stop letting DH get fat off of our infighting, all in the name of balancing this matchup!

To all the SFers reading this: Push DH, let’s try to balance their number, and in turn balance this tier some. If the day ever comes that we do “put DH on a diet” and the match becomes close, we can go back to randomly hitting whomever.

I said 20 times now, but every time IoJ and SF get locked up (volley between ogres and umber for example) DH wins.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, SF has bailed on this match for the most part because of the issues highlighted in this thread. Those being that at the beginning of the matchup you got to see our true forces (well at that time at least), over the first two weeks we lost so much during the NA night-time/early working day hours that the “what is the point?” attitude started to fester. Really if you do not have the nighttime coverage you need, and during the day (2-weeks back) we were getting hit from both sides by a huge DH primetime force, and every bit of IoJ’s primetime force. So we spent all of our primetime coverage hrs trying to maintain what we could, whilst losing it all during the night. So again, the permeation was: what is the point, if we can only tread water.

Truth be told, myself and our entire core hate that mentality. But the pugs/masses think for themselves, and no doubt we have been spoiled for a long time, so we have some growing to do.

Like I said before, I tried to express this point a few times a week or two back…If IoJ wants to keep playing 2nd fiddle to DH then keep on keeping on…If you want to push DH for real then attack them at there weakest point every chance you get. Not saying every SF will never attack IoJ, once again the pugs/masses do what they want. But I am saying that SF could get back in this thing, and help you push DH.

Not even in the sense of a “double team” either, just in the sense that we could help balance out the match back to more of a 3-way match, rather than the current setup.

Tetra Bug.7134:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Tetra Bug.7134:

T5 fighting over who’s fighting for second? Anvil and Borlis are so proud of you, you’re just like us at your age.

1. This is T6 unless we got promoted overnight.
2. We hope to “grow up” one day soon, as we know that being a lower tier means we are comprised of inferior-child-like players who have yet to blossom into adulthood that is the mickey mouse esque game of GW2.

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It could be that noobs pile into higher tiers in the name of “eliteness”, and think the combination of queues and skill lag = being good.

Hey man I was just kidding, I meant T6 and when we were there Borlis and NSP constantly accused us of playing for 2nd. Not knocking or talking down at you guys just pointing out the same dynamic seems to be the same. That’s all. You’re lucky down in T6, T5 blows. EBay is too large and coordinated for this tier and it’s basically us and Borlis trading off second place each week while EBay can’t break out. There are no transfers piling in either, Anvil and Borlis are pretty much all the same people from back when we’ve always been.

Darkhaven used to beat us on reset and the few days after too man, they just didn’t have the coverage during the week. What tier you’re in has less to do with skill and more to do with coverage. I hardly think there’s a correlation, the lower tiers have the best small man squads in the game for example.

No worries bro, but you would be surprised how many of the high tier elitists we deal with on a normal basis (although you are fairly enlightened judging from your reply so you may not be surprised at all).

Apologies for the half-kittened rant then, carry on good sir.

hyjaxxx.1584:

Yeah the sunny shores of Southsun have effed wvw’s couch… im sure once everyone has their squiggly back pieces we will be back in action.

But but but, if everyone has one how will we stand out?!

GavinGoodrich.1382:

For me it’s not even really about playing for 1st, it’s about keeping the match up interesting. It goes to kitten when one of the non-green teams gets double teamed, it’s fantastic when both teams push the stronger one that’s basically holding all the cards on EB. I want more of the 2nd, less of the 1st. Tiers are pretty irrelevant. We’re all in this for fun. I’ll always try to push DH when i’m leadin’ EB, I hope more IOJ’s do the same

You seem to have an excellent handle on the situation, good luck in your endeavors, the only winner of IoJ and SF constantly fighting is DH.

Tetra Bug.7134:

T5 fighting over who’s fighting for second? Anvil and Borlis are so proud of you, you’re just like us at your age.

1. This is T6 unless we got promoted overnight.
2. We hope to “grow up” one day soon, as we know that being a lower tier means we are comprised of inferior-child-like players who have yet to blossom into adulthood that is the mickey mouse esque game of GW2.

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

It could be that noobs pile into higher tiers in the name of “eliteness”, and think the combination of queues and skill lag = being good.

Mayhem.1935:

I like fighting IoJ & SF equally, most of their players are zerglings

I peed a little laughing so hard at this….It must be lonely on DH being an elitist roamer on the zergiest server of the lower tiers…..I have seen nothing on DH but: 30+ man zergs, glassy’s, upscales, and some decent guild groups.

All of those (minus the guild groups), are pretty clear indicator’s of a zergling server, so I would say: don’t throw stones from your glass house sir (of which I would indeed likely find glass cannons on all of your mantles).

I tried to suggest to IoJ a week (or more) back that they should focus more on DH and we could do the same. I was ofc met with criticism from IoJ, and borderline panic from DH.

As it stands now you both are fighting over the scraps that are left of SF, the more you push us, the more we push back (as much as we can that is). So you end up splitting your ppt’s and allowing us to drag you down with us.

But then again I guess I am crazy again….

As far as the PVE’ers, guilds taking vacations, bandwagoners, fairweathers, and any other kittenamamie excuses we have heard go: make it permanent. I would rather be able to depend on a group of people that are here day-in-day-out, rather than see the kind of wild variances that your presence and now absence has caused us. I am not saying make WvW your job, God knows that would be awful. But if you are kitten crying in a corner because of the PPT, or the outmanned buff I would say: SUCK IT THE kitten UP.

It is time for SF to figure out if we are a T6 server, or if we are really a T7 that is merely pretending, IoJ if you wanna play for 1st then you need to push DH and vampire some of that PPT. If you want to guarantee 2nd then continue how your are going. SF can hold off one of you, but not both. Do your jobs and we can do ours, but continue the way you are and get cozy playing 2nd fiddle.

Miss Firesss.3704:

Score update 12:45 pm PST

Thanks, PVE in full swing.

Can a brotha get a score update, you know for the folks on SF that actually have jobs/live in Amurca?

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

In all seriousness, I talked to a few randoms back during our matchup with HoD, as they had went MIA. The people I talked to over there said essentially they were boycotting the matchup (for lack of a better phrase), in order to fall out of the tier.

And what they intent to achieve by boycotting T8? They aren’t dropping anywhere…

Not a clue, thought I read one of the HoD’ers say they were dropping out until the double-teaming stops. Maybe that is something of a theory….Either way, my advice to HoD is the only way to “stop” a supposed double-team is to find the weaker of the two and punch them in the mouth.

Your numbers will already suffer from PVE events (karka nonsense this month), completely folding will only damage morale farther.

insanemaniac.2456:

katz.8376:

Jeknar.6184:

Samhaim.8956:

I’ll try to keep this as short as possible cause the PAXA ego is taking almost all the space avaliable in this thread.
Every type of game play takes skill to be done right.

Maybe we should summon SF here, because i’m sure SF is bigger than PAXA’s ego.

didn’t HoD kinda hide away when hurricane SF blew thru their tier?

i remember forum drama, it even spilled over to the t8 threads cuz the t7 threads kept getting locked… i think they start whining about losing and flaming the other 2 servers instead of just playing.

(well… some of the more obstinate ones at least)

T7 was an argument on whom could field the smallest roaming groups, NSP argued that they could field 5, however HoD finally won out as they proved they could field 0.

In all seriousness, I talked to a few randoms back during our matchup with HoD, as they had went MIA. The people I talked to over there said essentially they were boycotting the matchup (for lack of a better phrase), in order to fall out of the tier.

Kay.5416:

King Amadaeus.8619:

TheDesertWolf.6724:

Ungood.3054:

TheDesertWolf.6724:

Hey Eredon Terrace and Fergs should just marry each other.
that way you can crawl on the bottom together, or hell maybe you’ll get somewhere!

You must be new here, allow me to provide you a heads up, we have been in the bottom tier together long before you or HoD showed up.

We are more like siblings at this point, we have our petty spats, but in the end, we are stuck together.

then die together.

Don’t make us come down there….

Ahahaha! Amadeus, did you see the latest score? This is such a funny turn around.

I did I did, we are very proud!

TheDesertWolf.6724:

Ungood.3054:

TheDesertWolf.6724:

Hey Eredon Terrace and Fergs should just marry each other.
that way you can crawl on the bottom together, or hell maybe you’ll get somewhere!

You must be new here, allow me to provide you a heads up, we have been in the bottom tier together long before you or HoD showed up.

We are more like siblings at this point, we have our petty spats, but in the end, we are stuck together.

then die together.

Don’t make us come down there….

LFG Fractals lvl1

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Yeah, we (me and guildies) were getting frustrating trying to rally what is our normal populace into WvW. After working so hard on improving the score, to see it shot down so easily because people finally ran into a challenge.

Coverages wars suck, that’s for sure. So we’ve decided that until everyone stops taking breaks, burnouts come back, timed PvE events are over, and whatever other excuse people are using because WvW requires that you actually pay attention and play smart now; that we are ignoring the score.

We’ll get in when we can and play for fun. Once WvW becomes an obligation it isn’t a game anymore, and it was getting to that point.

Cheers to IoJ and DH for causing us to step up our game, and a warning (especially to DH); beware of your fairweathers, lol. I haven’t come up against a server that has as many glassy people as DH has (which is most likely because of your numbers), while you’re ahead try and establish strategies that don’t rely on mass numbers. Because it will bite you in the kitten hard when you get a decent challenge.

Most depressing thing I think I have ever heard on mumble the other night: “The only way we will hold this is if we all stay up til 6am again”….WvW has become a job, people always laugh at us on these very forums in the past when we said “core group”, because SF had so many numbers. Well, that core group is burnt the kitten out…It is no surprise that I/we are not seeing the commanders we had on T8.

The few have protected the many long enough, and we have skated by on throwing numbers a problem, but in the end 25-50 core players cannot make up for the 50 that are standing around PvPing/asking for JP ports/begging to siege SM/staring at SM/attacking cannons at SM/SM/SM/…etc

The easiest fix is to throw more numbers at the problem, well we do not have them as the bandwagon/pve/RL issues have kicked in.

So, to echo Vox’s comments, it is time to get back to basics, it is not worth treating WvW like a job, and surely not fair to the handful of people we have that stay up all night to protect what isn’t even kittening worth it.

AC Wars 2 continues, expansion Trap Wars incoming….

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Sad to see SF’s fairweathers stop playing so quickly :\

Though i do hope our fairweathers will start picking up and we can actually contest with dh in the weeks to come

But the week is yet to start, reset weekends rarely predict the weeks matchup

Goodluck everyone

Top 4 reasons we are told when the topic comes up:

1. RL stuff (IE: Finals for the college peoples)
2. PVE stuff (Molten Dungeon or something?, IDK I don’t PVE)
3. Burnout
4. Bandwagoners

Reasons 2-4 are the thing that seems to be hurting us the most, as it has affected our oceanic and daytime coverage’s (or lack thereof).

Also it is hard (on EB) to get people that have only been playing for a short time to realize that holding SM 24/7 is not feasible, moving to red this week has helped that some. Blue was horrible, cause there were always 25+ people standing in the open field next to SM (between durios and QL), just standing in the SM siege.

For whatever reason, DH is gaining steam and SF is losing some. Hats off to DH and IoJ, not trying to take anything away from you guys, just more so wishing we would ever be able to muster our forces we had back on T8….People started to tail off during T7, and at T6 (except for the first reset night), it has been underwhelming to say the least.

It’s Nerf or nothing.®

-Anet

Tuluum.9638:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ha not at all, just saying that in the past the misconception about SF (including my own misconception at one point), is/was that we were a WvW server. Not that we are not, cause we sure have some folks, just that we have more people in PVE.

I think that stands true for the majority of servers in the lower tiers.

I know that DH’s population is a majority PvE. Honestly, I dont think that in overall server population that the tiers are all that much different. Where the difference comes in is specifically WvW participation. Meaning, I think most servers have roughly the same population, but drastically different percentages take part in WvW.

Yep I kinda think that as well.

Also good luck Smiling, wherever you guys end up!

Avatar of Belle.9623:

King Amadaeus.8619:

SF is home to me now, (win or lose), I just wish I had my friends still left on ET over here, as I know they would love it here too. The thing no one ever understood about SF is that it is really a PVE server, I say that because of our WvW history people automatically assume we are WvW-oriented. But once you realize the PVE-aspect, you start to see that we truly have a ton of people over here. Our WvW population is really only a smaller portion (1/3 at most) of our total people.

Are you trying to tempt WvWers to transfer over for PvE? The mind boggles.

Ha not at all, just saying that in the past the misconception about SF (including my own misconception at one point), is/was that we were a WvW server. Not that we are not, cause we sure have some folks, just that we have more people in PVE.

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

You stealing my line brother, I even said it in my first post.

Yeah I saw that. And I’ve even received an invitation to the dark side aswell (From another person)…

Well like I said, if you ever get the itch….I know there was some initial hesitation on my part before I came over, but the people on SF were super cool to me.

SF is home to me now, (win or lose), I just wish I had my friends still left on ET over here, as I know they would love it here too. The thing no one ever understood about SF is that it is really a PVE server, I say that because of our WvW history people automatically assume we are WvW-oriented. But once you realize the PVE-aspect, you start to see that we truly have a ton of people over here. Our WvW population is really only a smaller portion (1/3 at most) of our total people.

vitali.1609:

Im trying to understand the whole “lack of coverage” thing…
So at 2 am newyork time is when aussies tend to be on? Then 4 to 5ish am newyork time the asian players start to jump in game?
Im from the newyork area and if thats the case then due to work and sleep theres a giant gap of at least 15 hours where i cant help the server when the players from aussie and asia are on.

Yet some people just whine for the next 17-18 hours instead or retaking everything back. RoTFL!
I imagine during the week not many have 17 hours a day of free time to play and take back what was lost while they were sleeping and/or working.
LOL they prob whine from work because they cant be on to play.
Then theres the fact that even though they have 4 or 5 hours of free time after work or whatever they know theres really no reason to bother jumping in WvW to take some of the points lost over the last 15 hours when the werent able to be in game to defend them because it will just be takien back while they sleep or are at work the next day.
My question is …is there ever a time in this matchup where every server is at its strongest at the same time? If that was ever to happen I bet there would be some pretty epic battles.

Vitali,

Good to meet you. What you wrote there is essentially the reality. While some people like to make light of the situation, regarding the actual time period/coverage gap, what you stated is the exact issue. It is not only the oceanic gap, but rather the gap coupled with the fact that the time directly after the gap (normally when you would rebound and re-cap), occurs during NA/SA timezone normal working hours.

It really is quite the Achilles Heel for us. While the term “oceanic gap” seemingly refers the the times that our adversaries has indeed listed, the issue of said gap is really about exactly what you wrote. If the gap were at say, 10am-4pmEST, then we would all be on shortly after and be able to close that score some.

“My question is …is there ever a time in this matchup where every server is at its strongest at the same time? If that was ever to happen I bet there would be some pretty epic battles.”

That time is during the reset weekend (as it is on every tier), SF has it’s biggest turnout during that time. Also we hold more overnight since most of our nighttime folks do not have to work/school the next morning(s). We really start to drop off late Sunday night and it just goes downhill from there.

hyjaxxx.1584:

haha! i just saw in that screenshot the Spanish translations for our server names. I only took one year of spanish in highschool but is Sorrows Furnace translated into " The Sad Oven" ?

Anyhow Some really awesome battles last Night! got to try out my new build since the patch and more! loving the match up still! just wish SF would get back to being frightening…Right at this moment…not so scary.

Although the switch to red might make you guys a lil more intimidating! Rawr!

Love ya all!

Jaxx

Did you think Sorrow’s Furnace meant happy microwave?

Also we were told not to take lip off of a signet warrior (whatever that means).

In all seriousness, hope we have some good fights tonight, if not might be headed to see if this tier has a fightclub instead. Good luck, have fun.

Jeknar.6184:

Everytime Sorrow’s Furnace ask for someone from T8 to transfer there I see that image:

You stealing my line brother, I even said it in my first post.

SF welcomes all transfers with open arms, oceanics get cookies, but NAs are well-loved too.

If for some reason FSAE ever decides to move (hopefully not, I want to see ET prosper) give me a shout, I would love to have my former Mend brothers and sisters to WvW with again.

Tell Tarkis I said wut up.

Tukmolytes.3467:

Miss Firesss.3704:

Tukmolytes.3467:

Miss Firesss.3704:

Tukmolytes:
So the Oceanic time goes from about midnight NY time to when?

When I log in I start to stir SF BL around 5:00pm Philippine time so that’s around 5:00am New York time. It could be 1-2 hours earlier as most of our Aussie servermates log in earlier than me as their time is -2 hours.

I play around 5-6 hours or so on weekdays after work.

Do I make sense here? LOL!

Yeah, I was just wondering how long this window of Oceanic time is. 5-6 hours out of 24….

Thanks!

Yet some people just whine for the next 17-18 hours instead or retaking everything back. RoTFL!

500 ACs that IoJ loves (rightfully so) make it difficult, until we get enough peeps on. ACs are good in that aspect that they allow the few to defend against the many.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

And as for SF, wtf guys. I know we can do far better than we have been, it’s rather pathetic when I go to borderlands/EB lately and watch the kind of kitten tactics, and lazily fighting in open fields as opposed to capping. Hopefully we get over whatever ‘shock to the system’ is going on quickly, it’s becoming hard to get into WvW when no one works together.

Too much pugging, too much randomness, not enough of our larger guilds organizing larger zergs moving in a positive direction.

It is very easy for people to get sucked into the vortex that is that area in front of SM, it happens to the best of us. But please for the love of nipples, go do something productive.

In fact, just go stand by a commander. And if you are a commander and standing there for a reason (IE: scouting siege/supply/etc), direct the people where to go.

Our guilds, and guild commanders need to stand up and take charge, not pointing the finger at the pugs, or guilds, at the commanders, or the footsoldiers. I have played poorly and we all have essentially been sucked into bad habits.

This isn’t T7 anymore, the days of the small roaming groups are over, if you arent capping a camp or downing supply yaks, you really should consider getting on a commander. With a few exceptions, SF does not rely (historically) on guild groups. For the most part we have larger guilds that mix and match with the smaller guilds, that form our core groupings. So for all of us that stray off, coupled with the 50 pugs that are following the SM magnet mass, we are really doing our commanders a dis-service by not giving them the people they need with them to get things done.

Personally, I think we have done a satisfactory job to this point, but that is really only because as a whole we are thriving off of the hard work done by the minority. Vox is right, we are better than mindlessly standing around content to PvP whatever red tag that is in front of us.

Let’s all try to get back to what made us, the zergs! We got them on reset, that is because we have the guild groups forming the base and the pugs jumping in with them which forms our massive zergs. We got the numbers during the week (yes we have some coverage gaps), but I promise you if we form up and move as one the enemy will have hell to deal with.

melodey.4652:

King Amadaeus.8619:

melodey.4652:

Because DH’s 40 man EB zerg is just going to roll over and let IOJ day cap all of our stuff. Likely! The synergy of our populations for weeks has shown the same pattern. When IOJ pushes DH during the day, we push right back (naturally) and IOJ ends up third in PPT because it takes much longer and much more manpower to push us than SF/DR. True, SF could capitalize on that and gain more points (DR’s EB zerg wasn’t as savvy, so it would knock DH down a bit). But if both IOJ and SF were pushing us at once, who do you think would get pushed back harder? So arguing they’d be first already if only they were pushing DH is illogical from IOJ’s pov. But it would just put SF in a better position for first. Hence, I’m sure, why you are even bringing it up :P

Like Jaxxx said, welcome to blue, Sorrow’s Furnace. You haven’t tried on that color for months and months, better talk to AR or BP for therapy on how to manage.

I see your point, but first off: I said they could better contend for 1st, not really saying: hey if you hit DH you would have first locked up.

SF is gonna be 2nd or 3rd, the trends show that up to this point. I understand that you think there is some benefit from me saying all this, but really if we aren’t in first I could care less. Beyond that 1st is really just a feather in your cap, sure it is nice to have, and that is the goal, but beyond that you get nothing.

My point was that IoJ might capitalize better because they have somewhat of a wildcard in their oceanic coverage. I was admitting that IoJ will blast SF at night, my only question in their logic was their NA primetime methods. SF has more than proven they can hold their own for the most part during NA primtimes, and we have shown (for whatever reason) more of a propensity to go after DH (while we still do push IoJ, not saying we dont). I just see far more attempts at DH than IoJ, in EB.

Dear, sweet, little Melody, I can see where you would insinuate that I am insinuating something. Truly, I can see that now looking back, but like I said I was more curious of how they were justifying it to themselves, do not get all upset in your DH cushy first place and think that I am trying to dethrone you princess. SF is and will be fine no matter the place we are in, the only thing that will vary is the bandwagoners/PUGs.

I could say something along the lines of: “I don’t care what you do, go ahead hit us both in tandem”, but then that has already happened. So SF has no fears anymore at this tier, but clearly judging by your comments and supposed reasoning of mine, you and/or DH has some definite insecurities.

All I took from that is you trying to back-peddle around logic and the lack okittennowledgment that IOJ is doing exactly what they need to be doing (at the expense of SF, qq), as the last several posts from both DH and IOJ have stated. Which you originally bolded, hence the protests from both servers. I like our weekend fights the most, keep ’em coming… please.

Princess! Only if it’s this one. Taste my daggers, SF!

That is fine by me, like I said just was curious of the logic. And I fail to see what the almighty DH would have to fear….Perhaps I conveyed my theory/point in a poor way.

But really I was just saying, if IoJ didn’t have such tunnel vision on SF throughout the week, then they might find their selves hitting 2nd place earlier than on Wednesday morning. Even if they did not hit 2nd earlier, they would still possibly hit second with a smaller margin between them and DH (1st to 2nd). Hence my comment of them having a better shot at first. Right now all their current strategy does is guarantee them 2nd, with no hope for first(1st).

All of that, assumes that I (someone from SF) am conceding that in all of said scenarios listed: SF would be in 3rd place. So why would it matter to me? I mean why do you insinuate that I have some ulterior motive? I mean we can all see why it would matter to you (and subsequently DH). If you keep IoJ as your puppets, then 2 and 3 can just beat down each other. Again I will say it for the reading impaired: all of this assumes (on my part) that SF will finish 3rd! If the trends showed SF finishing 2nd I could see the DH side of the argument.

To sum it up, in regards to DH, “methinks the lady doth protest too much”.

Also, I would like to add (since it got deleted due to me quoting a troll’s comment that got deleted)….

SF purposely worked DH last night to allow IoJ time to get siege up and make a run at SM. I was the mesmer from SF hanging out with some of the IoJ folks sieging the inner from the outer western wall.

Our main forces were keeping DH at bay somewhat by smacking klovan and DH Keep with feint attacks, in an effort to split their forces. The SF people at the end of the SM siege that fought IoJ in the lords room were “out of the loop” on the plan. So they rushed in at the end thinking it was a prime opportunity to gain an SM cap (it probably was but they did not have our full force due to the overarching strategy of us camping DH somewhat).

Lastly, I think you are focusing too much on the past few days when applying your scoring logic. At reset SF built a big lead, IoJ/DH then both focused fire on SF (understandable), while surely hitting each other for the normal varying amounts that tend to happen. This allowed DH to track down SFs lead fairly quickly, while IoJ remained “chipping away” at SF for second, finally overtaking us in large part due to their oceanic coverage.

My point was and is, if IoJ did not have such tunnel vision on SF THROUGHOUT the week (IE: including the weekend/reset), then they would have less ground to make up and possibly contend for 1st, rather than only 2nd. The winner of IoJ’s tunnel vision truly is DH, because once they get 1st they can sit back and “auto-pilot/cruise control”, for the rest of the week, while IoJ and SF duke it out.

I know this because we did it on T7, for the most part.

melodey.4652:

Because DH’s 40 man EB zerg is just going to roll over and let IOJ day cap all of our stuff. Likely! The synergy of our populations for weeks has shown the same pattern. When IOJ pushes DH during the day, we push right back (naturally) and IOJ ends up third in PPT because it takes much longer and much more manpower to push us than SF/DR. True, SF could capitalize on that and gain more points (DR’s EB zerg wasn’t as savvy, so it would knock DH down a bit). But if both IOJ and SF were pushing us at once, who do you think would get pushed back harder? So arguing they’d be first already if only they were pushing DH is illogical from IOJ’s pov. But it would just put SF in a better position for first. Hence, I’m sure, why you are even bringing it up :P

Like Jaxxx said, welcome to blue, Sorrow’s Furnace. You haven’t tried on that color for months and months, better talk to AR or BP for therapy on how to manage.

I see your point, but first off: I said they could better contend for 1st, not really saying: hey if you hit DH you would have first locked up.

SF is gonna be 2nd or 3rd, the trends show that up to this point. I understand that you think there is some benefit from me saying all this, but really if we aren’t in first I could care less. Beyond that 1st is really just a feather in your cap, sure it is nice to have, and that is the goal, but beyond that you get nothing.

My point was that IoJ might capitalize better because they have somewhat of a wildcard in their oceanic coverage. I was admitting that IoJ will blast SF at night, my only question in their logic was their NA primetime methods. SF has more than proven they can hold their own for the most part during NA primtimes, and we have shown (for whatever reason) more of a propensity to go after DH (while we still do push IoJ, not saying we dont). I just see far more attempts at DH than IoJ, in EB.

Dear, sweet, little Melody, I can see where you would insinuate that I am insinuating something. Truly, I can see that now looking back, but like I said I was more curious of how they were justifying it to themselves, do not get all upset in your DH cushy first place and think that I am trying to dethrone you princess. SF is and will be fine no matter the place we are in, the only thing that will vary is the bandwagoners/PUGs.

I could say something along the lines of: “I don’t care what you do, go ahead hit us both in tandem”, but then that has already happened. So SF has no fears anymore at this tier, but clearly judging by your comments and supposed reasoning of mine, you and/or DH has some definite insecurities.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

You do realise during NA times SF have zergs upon zergs, DH have zergs and IoJ are left with the outmanned buff struggling to hold onto what they got, then comes oceanic time, we hit DH, SF keep all their points and we wont catch them, we hit SF, DH extend their lead and we catch up to second, during oceanic times is when we get our points, NA is just trying to defend what we got most of the time.

PPT is PPT, doesn’t matter where you get it from. So saying that X,Y,Z is the order, Z does not have to hit Y to gain ground. You can hit X or Y, or a combination, just as long as your PPT is above theirs, and you can maintain it.

I would chalk it up to more of human nature to think: we are in 3rd, we should hit the #2 guys to get to 2nd. Whether that comes from the idea that 2nd holds “your points” you need, or that the folks in 1st are too difficult, is debatable.

The comment I made was coming from the standpoint of PPT. The thought is that you could better maximize your PPT if you did not have such tunnel vision on SF during NA primetime. SF had “Outmanned” last night at around 8pm EST (AKA: NA PRIMETIME), DH had a horde of folks as DH tends to do. IoJ had enough to cap SM. Say what you want, but DH is the powerhouse in terms of people of this tier. By that I mean round the clock overall sustained population. The only way IoJ would come close to getting 1st place is to focus a bit more on DH in NA primes, and count on SF doing the same. PUGs will be PUGs though, so I can understand if you pushed WC and SF hit Ogre, then I see where you are coming from.

In the past SF as a server has had some “bad-blood” with other servers, and due to that we camped them. This allowed the 3rd server to probably own more points/PPT than they should have truly gotten. This was an inefficient strategy in the sense of “maximizing our PPT”, but we were winning/satisfied with the margins on the scoreboard, so it didn’t really register at the time as being “inefficient”. But hey like I said, do whatever you guys think is best, I guess I was just curious on what the thought process was on your end.

melodey.4652:

How dare you try to come between us! Dark Isle of Janthaven works in tandem. The evening shift of our illustrious alliance turns your T3 keeps to paper and paints it green. The oceanic shift of capitalizes on that paper (like any oceanic shift would) and paints it red. I don’t know if it would quite work the other way around, as we’ve established numerous times that IOJ just doesn’t have the numbers to stave your server off during primetime. So no, the other half of Isle of Janthaven is doing precisely the smartest thing (and most cost-efficient). But not to worry, as Isle of Sorrows alliance will resume in T-minus 2 days if the last two weeks are anything to go by.

Ha, like I said, if they wanna keep playing for 2nd place on T6 then good on them. And IoJ does fine staving off our numbers, last night when the minority planned on helping them acquire SM, the majority decided to rush at the last minute. IoJ seemed to stave them off pretty well then.

IoJ seems to stave us off pretty well judging by their 1/3 of EB during the NA primetime weekdays. The only times I see IoJ struggle is if DH just happens to be hitting them the same time we are (during NA weekday primetimes).

More of an observation than anything else, just saying we know IoJ will take our stuff at night. It is what they take during the day that determines where they place (1st or 2nd).

Ghanto.9784:

DevonCarver.5370:

It is, essentially, another WvW map. You can still fight each other, it will behave exactly like the JP used to, except you will be removed from EB so someone who wants to come in to fight for objectives will not be kept from playing by someone running the JP.

EDIT: Okay, in the time it took me to write this, I see that Devon answered the question – and unfortunately I don’t think the answer is what most of us wanted to hear. Sigh. Why does AN always take the easiest path to “fix” things instead of taking a little longer and doing it right?

I took my car to the ANET mechanics shop, after analyzing the situation they called and said it would need a new 300hp engine. I said fine go ahead and “fix” it. When I went to pick it up today, it had 300 live horses strapped to the front bumper, with the same failed motor under the hood.

When I asked, they said “300hp is 300hp, working as intended.”

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

When your recappers are as kitten as this (notice no outmanned buff)

How can you try and blame us for wanting to take and then hold your borderlands?

16k behind DH, if only we had that little bit more coverage, first will be ours!

I think you guys take our comments of “reality” and read them as “blame”…Cap anything you guys want lol. Most the time people do not mean to come off as “whiny”, they are really just saying “hey this is what is happening”. Sure there are some obvious potshots in there most times, but usually just competitive nature flowing over.

SF isn’t whiny at all, at least not to each other….Our map chat isn’t full of QQing, it is usually full of people laughing or joking around, with the occasional “wtf alliance” jokes sprinkled in.

I think the only real issue that many of us on SF have, is that we get why DH would want to “work together” (for lack of a better term), but we do not see what the impetus is for IoJ. I mean good on you guys for getting 2nd place in T6, if that is your aim.

But realistically, had you been pressing DH more this week, and then owning us during the oceanic hours as you tend to do, then you in all likelihood could possibly be in 1st place or pressing DH for first place. As it stands now, in an odd way, this “alliance” (again using a terrible word to describe whatever it is), is benefiting SF in the sense that it keeps the match for 2nd pretty close.

That has been the talk/joke we have been having this week, is that for whatever reason, IoJ seems to be (I am guessing) unbeknownst to them, “cutting off their own nose, to spite their face”.

Say what you want about me or my server, but the reality is the only thing keeping IoJ for contending for the top spot, far as we can tell, is IoJ. Stark I think you were on to something at the first of this thread when you wanted to focus more on DH, but it seems as though your server disagreed (judging by your latter posts).

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Score update

Annnnnnnnnnnd IoJ are now in second place, GREAT job guys

Gotta hand it to DH’s defenses, they managed to stop you IoJs at every turn apparently as once again 7/8 of everything (beyond your own) you have capped belongs to SF.

They must have some tenacious nighttime defenders!

MrFluffy.9307:

Prosecutor.1457:

Fyi,

[SE] will have minimal organized WvW this week as I’m taking a break for PvE. I will roam on occasion. Good luck to all servers.

I’ve been wondering why the scores seemed to be a lot closer this week =P

Ive also been wondering why we have seen a lack of /laugh/dance spam in our chat.

“The More You Know” I guess.

LordKael.7260:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Score update

IoJ closing the gap on SF and SF not falling to far behind DH! This matchup is a lot closer than last week.

Looks like Sorrow of Janthir needs to get to work on DH and keep this thing close.
:P

Hell we will even go with Janthir’s Furnace

Jeknar.6184:

XxNuggetxX.7823:

Linanthony.1809:

Over 500? The cap for guild is 500…

Lol its called start another guild to fill more spot’s WZ2 ect……..

Just as stated before… CosA disagree that 500 is the cap…

^ All 3 (mainly 2 now) CoSA’s do.

Worst ideas in terms of skill lag: EB and SM. At least in the lower tiers, both of these (respectively) funnel the numbers that produce the lag. (EB is the map of choice, SM is the point of choice, therefore the place where we have seen the lag the most frequent has been at SM)

Personally I like EB, less running and the aforementioned funneling of players makes it where the most action tends to happen.

But the way the maps/game is designed creates the problem, or rather creates a prime environment for the problem to occur.

(Disclaimer: I have no idea on how it is on the higher tiers, just stating from the perspective of the bottom half)

I miss the T7 threads, where the trolls were decent, and everybody didn’t think holding hands and singing cumbaya was the way to go.

All we really got here is Zelthor and the random people from each server saying “guys place nice”….

FYI if anyone takes forum warring seriously you should go jump off a bridge…It is all in good fun, just like it is when you play Fantasy Football and trash talk….All of you that feel the need to get on here and moderate from a place of kitten are laughable.

The matchup is very fun, and the challenge is a nice change of pace.

Zelthios.5902:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Zelthios.5902:

Amadeas sounds mad

Nah just calling a spade a spade that’s all. I rarely get mad, you gonna have to step up your failtrolling to T1 tactics lil brother.

You are mad It’ll be okay one day you’ll go back to t7 and stomp the kids again. I’m rooting for ioj to get 2nd this week probably wont happen but there ya go.

UMAD, nah bro UREALLY MAD. Calm down lil bro, you might get a win this week, gonna need more work on your nightcaps, maybe mommy will let ya stay up late and miss school?!

Zelthios.5902:

Amadeas sounds mad

Nah just calling a spade a spade that’s all. I rarely get mad, you gonna have to step up your failtrolling to T1 tactics lil brother.

Tuluum.9638:

It is always 2v1 in WvW by both intent and design. This makes the “accusations” of such things even more humorous. Before anyone states the obvious, there are varying degrees of cooperation. But, its a core concept to the game itself.

I have been sitting out on GW2 recently too. D/l Neverwinter when I found out it was in open beta finally, and have been straight up impressed with the combat (though I have other issues with the game, of course).

There is no doubt that the nature of WvW(vW) is really a 2v1, but the problem with that logic is that it assumes the weakest link is the “1”. While IoJ has a nice night presence, they maintain “Outmanned” during most of the NA primetimes from what we have seen. So it is odd that the 2v1 bug has not bitten them in the kitten a lot more than it actually has.

Truthfully, most of us could care less, and welcome a panzy “alliance”, it would not be the first time we have dealt with/heard talk of it, and it only serves to make us stronger in the end. We know we have spies, have had them at every tier, but what we have learned is that not everything is “hunky-dory” in the Island of Dark Alliances. In fact, I would venture a guess that most people on here commenting about the non-existence of such an alliance, are most likely truly in the dark that one might exist.

Me personally, I am hoping there is not one (even though the intel says otherwise), because if you guys really are working something like that, and supposedly with some VoIP even, and we are just OOOOWEEEEING you on reset? Man that would make me a sad panda should I find myself on your server(s).

Tuluum.9638:

King Amadaeus.8619:

The best way to house train a pet is to rub their nose in it when they “slip up”.

As for bringing reason and logic to my obviously tongue in cheek comment; get off the internet, yer kind has no place here! :P

Ditto Yo……………………………….

Tuluum.9638:

Remember the standard formula folks;

When you win, it is because you vastly outplayed your opponent and have skills so hot they make the sun melt.

When you lose, it is because you were vastly outnumbered and/or the other teams cheated/exploited/etc.

Deviating from this formula or trying to find a middle ground is called being “reasonable,” and has no place whatsoever on the internet or video games.

Thank you for your time.

That’s pretty good, and a ton of truth. But I think it is a well-established fact that tier wins that arent very close are attributed to which server has the most constant, populated coverage blankets. And the ones that struggle the most are the ones that have major coverage gaps. (just take a look at the 100 recruitment threads for NA players begging for oceanics, and EUs begging for NAs)

Zelthios.5902:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Zelthios.5902:

This is why I was correct about you guys not being able to keep the lead.

Shame we didn’t realize that until you told us, we had no clue, thanks man….We will now start recruiting, since the high-lord Zelthios has decreed from up on high our folly in winning this tier, praise be to you sir! Fore we had no idea that it was lack of Oceanic coverage that was allowing our two foes (who strangely seem to move as one) the ability to do at night what they cannot do in the light of the NA day.

See earlier in this thread where they thought you’d be winning this week. Only lead you guys get is on the weekends we’re always ahead of you during the week. Points wise and in the controlling of points. However I expect you to call me HIgh-Lord from now on.

The best way to house train a pet is to rub their nose in it when they “slip up”. Some just cannot be trained/broken however.

So the more you rub our nose in it, the more we will make every effort to leave you a “present” on your nice carpet. It may not be this week, it may not be the next, but we will taste all of your (DH/IoJ) E-Tears….One thing I know about the people I play with day-in and day-out, is that they are some of the most hard-headed, stubborn, tenacious people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.

And the other thing I know about them is that the thing that really fuels Sorrow’s Furnace is these forums. So like I said, say what you want, brag about how your NA unemployed/EU/Oceanics can close the gap that we make during the weekend. When you get that win on Friday and nothing happens, the match will reset and we will roll again. And make no mistake, I say this not to whine or complain, but beating a NA server with 12am-8am weekday capping is really understandable, but honestly: GG just the same.

I just really wish you guys could stop us from painting EB whatever color SF is that week at reset, because winning a war of attrition is definitely a win, but not being able to beat an opponent at their strongest would really bother me….But then again, I am a competitor.

Beyond all of that, we are having a good time (sans the coverage gaps), we look forward to the upcoming fights this week, and wanted to add that the people migrating to SF from your servers so far have been really cool and pretty interesting to say the least.

Zelthios.5902:

This is why I was correct about you guys not being able to keep the lead.

Shame we didn’t realize that until you told us, we had no clue, thanks man….We will now start recruiting, since the high-lord Zelthios has decreed from up on high our folly in winning this tier, praise be to you sir! Fore we had no idea that it was lack of Oceanic coverage that was allowing our two foes (who strangely seem to move as one) the ability to do at night what they cannot do in the light of the NA day.

D W.5179:

SniffyCube.6107:

Manoa.5897:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

SF would love to have some t8 hell-forged brothers with us. KWBH was another one of those forces to be reckoned with on ET. We’re looking for more people regardless as we settle into our tier and would definitely prefer it was people we knew were competent and good at WvW.

So hopefully SF is a consideration for you guys. Feel free to pm me if you need any info/help getting over. Most of the commanders that fought you when we were in t8 are pretty tight and would work with integrating communication with you guys if you wanted.

Another SFer jumping in to echo this sentiment. We’d welcome you with open arms, Starbucks and cookies.

I remember you guys. The match up was a little boring for you before anet let you out of t8 hopefully we made it a bit interesting while you were in the tier.

Very much so, and I’d like to +1 the “t8 hell-forged brothers”!!!

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

SniffyCube.6107:

I remember you guys. The match up was a little boring for you before anet let you out of t8 hopefully we made it a bit interesting while you were in the tier.

For a while KWBH, TAC (pre transfers), and MEND (pre transfers) were the only guilds really giving is any viable fights. Which is exactly why we know we’d be glad to have you guys come over.

Manoa.5897:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

SF would love to have some t8 hell-forged brothers with us. KWBH was another one of those forces to be reckoned with on ET. We’re looking for more people regardless as we settle into our tier and would definitely prefer it was people we knew were competent and good at WvW.

So hopefully SF is a consideration for you guys. Feel free to pm me if you need any info/help getting over. Most of the commanders that fought you when we were in t8 are pretty tight and would work with integrating communication with you guys if you wanted.

Another SFer jumping in to echo this sentiment. We’d welcome you with open arms, Starbucks and cookies.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

SF would love to have some t8 hell-forged brothers with us. KWBH was another one of those forces to be reckoned with on ET. We’re looking for more people regardless as we settle into our tier and would definitely prefer it was people we knew were competent and good at WvW.

So hopefully SF is a consideration for you guys. Feel free to pm me if you need any info/help getting over. Most of the commanders that fought you when we were in t8 are pretty tight and would work with integrating communication with you guys if you wanted.

Smiling the thing to take away from this thread, is that all these people love me and welcomed me with open arms when I came over, as 1 person, coming from the “enemy” ET as we were still very much locked up back then all in T8.

Focus on the bold words, cause we all know a what a god-awful task that must have been (cause Sav can be hard to love lol), and you guys would be a formidable group, and I can honestly say I have never had as much fun on any server before SF. Great people, great community, exceptionable work ethics while still managing to treat WvW as a game (ie: having fun). And most of the core player base all know each other, so it is not like it is a huge server full of strangers…We are fairly close-nit.

Kay.5416:

ETA: I swear King Amadaeus and I are not one person.

Or are we? Nah…Maybe? Nope.

Probably not, but maybe. Not really.