I wonder if we can get back to t7 and face SF at least 1 time before they move to t6.. would be fun.. and without the supermariobox taken our wvw’ers out.
If you are GoM (assuming), I would think you guys are moving up this week (HoD implosion)?
I was told by the Gods Of Glicko that post in T7 that SF would be here another week barring any drastic changes. We would love to have a new 1/3 to love on up here!
yeah.. im GoM.. was too lazy to make a sig but i did now. i remember when SF was tanking through the tiers and when you were in t7 ( dont know if you were with SF then ) GoM won those matches. eventually you dropped to t8 and of course kaineng steam rolled through the tiers killing the glicko system. more like a glitcho system after all that happened. since then SF has gotten much stronger and with a higher player base. of course the score would show you being t6 server ( possibly even t5 ) but i think alot of GoM would still love to match up with SF to test ourselves and for the hard fight.
Nah I was not with them back then, and yes SF has gotten stronger, some from the days of free transfers others with just natural player progression….Do not believe the hype about us, we are fairly nice folks that would love to have a matchup with you guys/gals. We only get testy when disrespected on the forums, like I said we hope to see y’all soon! GGs have fun peeps.
Great fight at NSP hill yesterday night. I was the one on the different arrow carts and I had to build 3-4 since you guys kept destroying mine. =( BTW I didn’t know that pull you guy used to take me out of the cart every 30-35 sec had such a great range I was lucky to be able to take a few hits and get back on it ASAP. HoD all the night I was watching the map hoping you guys would have been able to take your keep back.
Score update:
SF : 231 342 + 450
NSP : 155 664 + 180
HoD: 103 790 + 70BTW our keep in EB as been took by SF again but they don’t have the WP in here yet wall are tier3.
Thank you sir for the update, was just about to ask for one.
So when you bring all your numbers and win purely by sheer numbers we should judge you not when you bring half your numbers and win by the same measure?
Noone wants SF in this tier they don’t belong here that is clear. To claim it is because of skill like is so commonly stated on forums is not accurate. Tiers are set almost entirely by server wvw populations. What we are asking is that if you so wish to have a real fight like you claim beat us down more and get on to tier 6.
Rather than go back and waste my game time disputing your statement, I would just invite any of you to go back and READ YOUR OWN GUILDIES comments that were insinuating that without ANET stepping in we would not be here, and/or we should beg them to move us to T6….I got some more BAD news for you, if your booty buddy GoM did not have such a night-capping presence, then they would still be losing to our lil brothers down in T8, just like they did the first week. And that was a “close matchup” for you guys at one point….
So for two servers that claim to have such clarity of what this game is really about, I and others find it moderately hilarious that you bring up the tier talk over and over and over….Then you go to the “devine intervention” joke, which in reality makes you look like the kid walking home after he got his kitten handed to him saying, “I could’ve beat them but my shoe was untied”….When that has nothing to do, according to your own drivel, about what the game is really about.
In closing, I will make a sweeping statement for all of you mouth-breathers to read and comprehend (doubtfully): We do not care if we get stuck here, your whining makes our boredom subside, and re-motivates us to farm your e-tears….Secondly, stop challenging us to leave a tier, and perhaps challenge your pitiful selves to stand up and fight, for all of the hate spewed between us and ET/FC, at the very least they did not roll over and die, in fact toward the end they got much better…..I will hangup and listen now, but will not hold my breath that you come back with something remotely realistic.
idk what all the arguing in this thread is about atm.
SF is better, they’re winning. GG.
Saying you guys are winning and your server is not even trying though? Thats just called being a nub bro. NSP lost 80% of its WvW pop which unlike SF never bandwagoned back.
And don’t even pretend when you hit t8 that you didn’t get mass xfers.
Cause you be troll’in.SF should have been in a higher tier, Anet saw that and fiddled with the numbers to make it happen. Again GG. Thats mild fact, you were roflstomping tier 8.
Have a little admiration please, the dudes on NSP are atleast giving it a shot as opposed to HoD. I mean seriously. They don’t even bother to attack SF anymore and brainlessly try and pasty punch NSP bl. Can someone just put that dog down please?
Its sad to watch.Anyway.
Good fight this week, enjoyed it SF.HoD, what are you guys even doing?
I was in your LA. Was basically empty compared to NSP.
(So you can’t say they were in PvE)
Its funny that I said something along the lines of we are missing like 25% of our core players due to whatever reason…AND everyone of you noobs took it like I was taking some “we are taking it easy on you”….When really, i can understand your point, as I as responding to a noob that thought it would be funny to make out like we dont deserve to be here…..But what I was really going for was: we should be doing better, but this matchup is killing our morale as it is boring, we are winning by shear numbers at the moment and not really needing to “play WvW” IE: cap/defend/push BLs etc. IF you want a judge of what SF really can be then I suggest you take your gauge of us at late Friday night (reset) and all day saturday into that night…Not on Wednesday afternoon.
Not really meant to be disrespectful as it is to tell you that fighting 1 out of 2 enemies because the other has tucked tail and headed for T8 a week early is BORING.
That you blame your lack of numbers to explain how we could make this happen is downright laughable though.
What’s really laughable is that you think NSP is the reason we are in t6 as opposed to IoJ.
Eat as much ratings from NSP than you did on HoD and you’re in tier 6. You didn’t, you stay in tier 7. SF is clearly superior to NSP right now, I’m saying we fought tooth and nails this week and that made you stay in tier7.
Well, not really.
TL;DR: T6, and specifically Darkhaven, is the deciding factor, not NSP.If we’re going by point totals, you guys are actually doing worse now than you were at this point in last week’s match. Using the latest updates for mos.millenium.org, the current difference between SF and NS kitten 6,908 points. At around this time on Wednesday of last week’s matchup, the point difference between SF and NSP was 44,930 points.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/42/30 (April 17 at around 22:00, assuming I got the timezone correct for the millenium site)To be fair, SF is also doing slightly worse, while HoD is doing noticeably worse due to lack of participation.
Attempting to look at things objectively, it would seem that the primary reason that SF isn’t moving up this week is the recent shift in T6, not how well NSP may or may not be performing. Darkhaven went from a 113,000 point average lead over T6’s second place server starting from May 30th to a 37,000 point lead, resulting in large rating gains for IoJ and DR. That plays a larger role since SF is still gaining rating in this tier (more than what was gained last week), but the rating target that needs to be reached is being pushed further away by events in T6.
Maybe you guys should turn on that QQ that got you into T7 in the first place. Rumor has it , that if you cry enough they will move you up a tier without earning it.
Imagine that.
You do realize that we are just laying junk all over you guys on teh scoreboard, and at least 25% of our core player-base is on a vacation for whatever reason….WE ARE LITERALLY ON CRUISE CONTROL. We have a handful of commanders that have stepped up and moving the masses along nicely…I would hope you are making an attempt at trolling….So before you go spouting off about how we don’t belong, or how we got moved up, I would simply say:
/scoreboard
Now back to your regularly scheduled reading of NSP arguing who has the leetest smaller groups…
I vote this guy the winner for the most arrogance! Anyone second. Btw 80% of NSP is fighting Jormag and taking a break from WvW. Does that count?
I LOL’d….. You sir are a peach….
That you blame your lack of numbers to explain how we could make this happen is downright laughable though.
What’s really laughable is that you think NSP is the reason we are in t6 as opposed to IoJ.
Eat as much ratings from NSP than you did on HoD and you’re in tier 6. You didn’t, you stay in tier 7. SF is clearly superior to NSP right now, I’m saying we fought tooth and nails this week and that made you stay in tier7.
Well, not really.
TL;DR: T6, and specifically Darkhaven, is the deciding factor, not NSP.If we’re going by point totals, you guys are actually doing worse now than you were at this point in last week’s match. Using the latest updates for mos.millenium.org, the current difference between SF and NS kitten 6,908 points. At around this time on Wednesday of last week’s matchup, the point difference between SF and NSP was 44,930 points.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/42/30 (April 17 at around 22:00, assuming I got the timezone correct for the millenium site)To be fair, SF is also doing slightly worse, while HoD is doing noticeably worse due to lack of participation.
Attempting to look at things objectively, it would seem that the primary reason that SF isn’t moving up this week is the recent shift in T6, not how well NSP may or may not be performing. Darkhaven went from a 113,000 point average lead over T6’s second place server starting from May 30th to a 37,000 point lead, resulting in large rating gains for IoJ and DR. That plays a larger role since SF is still gaining rating in this tier (more than what was gained last week), but the rating target that needs to be reached is being pushed further away by events in T6.
Maybe you guys should turn on that QQ that got you into T7 in the first place. Rumor has it , that if you cry enough they will move you up a tier without earning it.
Imagine that.
You do realize that we are just laying junk all over you guys on teh scoreboard, and at least 25% of our core player-base is on a vacation for whatever reason….WE ARE LITERALLY ON CRUISE CONTROL. We have a handful of commanders that have stepped up and moving the masses along nicely…I would hope you are making an attempt at trolling….So before you go spouting off about how we don’t belong, or how we got moved up, I would simply say:
/scoreboard
Now back to your regularly scheduled reading of NSP arguing who has the leetest smaller groups…
So if SF is going up, who is coming down? Congrats on the move up, though we will miss you. Your turtly portal bombs were an excellent source of easy bags……………as were all your players
Yep we enjoyed our stay here as well, I think I got a full set of armor and a couple of weapons just out of the T7 match badges….Probably could have gotten more but spawn camping gets old eventually.
I wonder if we can get back to t7 and face SF at least 1 time before they move to t6.. would be fun.. and without the supermariobox taken our wvw’ers out.
If you are GoM (assuming), I would think you guys are moving up this week (HoD implosion)?
I was told by the Gods Of Glicko that post in T7 that SF would be here another week barring any drastic changes. We would love to have a new 1/3 to love on up here!
PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
King MachoRacistMan.
It will never happen.The french lady
French is a race?
Enough to get your last reply deleted. That was cheap and unecessary.
Much respect at least you admit on here that you report posts lol….We always knew we were getting reported, so props for putting that out there.
And if you take stuff that people put on forums so seriously, you must live a stressful life is all I can say.
It wasn’t even me.
My life is peaceful without people like you. Thank you for asking.Well that’s cool, at least I learned that French is a race today not a nationality.
The More You Know (and all that)
It’s also a kiss, you should try sometime , you might spend less time in front of a screen.
A kid on a computer made a joke about another person on a computer, whilst completely ignoring the fact that the kid was on said computer whilst making said joke? Oh man, you are a rebel, for your next prank go rearrange all the books in the library you hilarious rebel you….
The only thing that makes me laugh harder than XOXO posts, is the XOXO running I see every night when a 20 man zerg goes out of its way to run them back to their keep simply because “hey thats those trolls from the forums, GET EM!”….I know that because I am usually trying to spar with you whenever I see you, and usually that is what breaks it up.
Funny we notice that also! I swear I’ve had people leave trebs/cannon/insert siege here/ just to get into a zerg to try beat me down.
I solo a lot during the day. Its fun for me. Bring it!
Yep I was surprised as to how many people actually read the forums myself….Also another thing I see a ton of is anytime there is an enemy zerg there’s always someone with the: “there’s one of those famous T7 small roaming groups”.
I have been running solo all week, with the score situation there is no need to worry with capping etc, so have been able to roam quite a bit. Spent last night capping camps on NSP BL, and subsequently getting ganked for doing so lol. Good fun though and had a couple of good fights…Just have to remember not to fight around HoD spawn as PAXA will wipe ya up if they see you, just as they say, got obliterated last night by 3 or so of them while I was dueling a thief…I told said thief to give them a message, doubt he did lol.
PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
King MachoRacistMan.
It will never happen.The french lady
French is a race?
Enough to get your last reply deleted. That was cheap and unecessary.
Much respect at least you admit on here that you report posts lol….We always knew we were getting reported, so props for putting that out there.
And if you take stuff that people put on forums so seriously, you must live a stressful life is all I can say.
It wasn’t even me.
My life is peaceful without people like you. Thank you for asking.Well that’s cool, at least I learned that French is a race today not a nationality.
The More You Know (and all that)
It’s also a kiss, you should try sometime , you might spend less time in front of a screen.
A kid on a computer made a joke about another person on a computer, whilst completely ignoring the fact that the kid was on said computer whilst making said joke? Oh man, you are a rebel, for your next prank go rearrange all the books in the library you hilarious rebel you….
The only thing that makes me laugh harder than XOXO posts, is the XOXO running I see every night when a 20 man zerg goes out of its way to run them back to their keep simply because “hey thats those trolls from the forums, GET EM!”….I know that because I am usually trying to spar with you whenever I see you, and usually that is what breaks it up.
Just popped in to check on mid and lil brother(s). Keep up the good fight, eventually you will prevail, perhaps once HoD exodus people stop arriving at GoM.
Hold the train! What, people are hopping from HoD to GoM now that they are swapping places? Hopefully not our former ET friends. I was looking forward to seeing them out in about back in T8! Sounds like this thread needs some more popcorn! Get that kettle heated up!
You can read about it in the T7 thread, if you can stand sifting through trolling long enough to find it. Short version: Zombieland [WvW] is transferring to GoM. So your former ET buddies will still be on HoD when they drop to T8.
They seem to have had more than just WvW leave, but could be wrong…Their participation is worse than we ever saw from any opposition in T8…There are whispers of them holding out of WvW to purposely drop down to T8… But those are only whispers since that is “match fixing” apparently.
I ran by their spawn the other day and like the day before, there was a group of people there farming badges from them as all 6-10 of them were running out of spawn (EB).
Oh well, there’s always Dora the Explorer: Castle Paradise.
While I have had my differences with you guys on here in the past, I sure hope this rocks on because I am laughing my kitten off at the names of these games he is suggesting you guys would be better suited for….
wow.
just … wow …
it’s really sad to see people revert to debasing women and making degenerate comments regarding lady parts to put someone down.
sexism is alive and well in 2013! i’m sure your mothers, grandmothers, wives, and daughters would be proud.
This made me laugh out loud…..And who referenced lady parts? I saw a lot of “kitten” but that is ANET and their filthy minds.
I would also point out, on a more serious note, that all of you French and Woman crusaders were the same ones probably laughing when people were making RACIST comments toward SF’s Latin population a while back….I would tell you the saying about the glass house and the stones, but knowing my luck you would be stoned in a glass house, take exception and just report me lol……..
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PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
King MachoRacistMan.
It will never happen.The french lady
French is a race?
Enough to get your last reply deleted. That was cheap and unecessary.
Much respect at least you admit on here that you report posts lol….We always knew we were getting reported, so props for putting that out there.
And if you take stuff that people put on forums so seriously, you must live a stressful life is all I can say.
It wasn’t even me.
My life is peaceful without people like you. Thank you for asking.
Well that’s cool, at least I learned that French is a race today not a nationality.
The More You Know (and all that)
I wasn’t laughing with you… awks.
See my first reply to you again….(perhaps you do need to study moar)…IE: sometimes people write stuff to intentionally get laughed at….Because they do not have raging egos that prevent it.
More *
lulz *is this guy for realz?
PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
King MachoRacistMan.
It will never happen.The french lady
French is a race?
Enough to get your last reply deleted. That was cheap and unecessary.
Much respect at least you admit on here that you report posts lol….We always knew we were getting reported, so props for putting that out there.
And if you take stuff that people put on forums so seriously, you must live a stressful life is all I can say.
Just popped in to check on mid and lil brother(s). Keep up the good fight, eventually you will prevail, perhaps once HoD exodus people stop arriving at GoM.
I wasn’t laughing with you… awks.
See my first reply to you again….(perhaps you do need to study moar)…IE: sometimes people write stuff to intentionally get laughed at….Because they do not have raging egos that prevent it.
PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
King MachoRacistMan.
It will never happen.The french lady
French is a race?
“drop the zeros and get with the heros”
hahah
bahahahahahahahahah
bahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaa
Thank you for cheering me up during my study hours, I was getting a bit depressed with all the work i have left to do.
Glad someone took it for what it was worth/intended :P
Just wanted to send a shoutout to NSP and HoD, it has been an interesting matchup. Went stale unfortunately pretty fast, also not sure what exactly is going on with HoD but the lack of effort and/or participation is fairly evident.
Props to both servers for making it seem like SF are the “good guys”, I feel as though we should send you both to some Dr. Phil sessions….Also we can safely say that those “legendary T7 small roaming groups” loosely translate into: “we think 3-5 v 1-2 is better than 20v5” (ironyyyyyyyyyyy).
In all seriousness, this has been awfulllllllllllllllllllll, and I do mean aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwfulllllllllllll….Only interesting thing as been the new tactics that come with each tier, the truly good players you guys do really have, and backcapping stuff that NSP euro kids have been day capping.
Farewell T7, as it looks as if those with their degree in glicko-ology are saying we are headed for T6 this week…Not sure myself, but I rarely look at that stuff.
PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
Awful? I don’t think I’ve seen anything more awful in Guild Wars 2 than this post.
Also, unless things drastically change, you’re not goin up a tier this week.
Oh hai there lil fella. Funny retort, did your bum bum get hurt by my post? Did you misread the fact that I said people keep saying we are going up but I do not keep up with it? Did you miss the joking tone of my post? Do you think everything on the net is true and accurate and sarcasm is non-existent? Are you still upset that you rightfully got ousted from T7? Is T8 no fun, cause I can assure you T7 is cruise control for us? We would gladly like to ruin your WvW experience given the chance since “that is what we do”.
And finally, you seem to have a sandy kitten, would you like some cream to apply?
Just wanted to send a shoutout to NSP and HoD, it has been an interesting matchup. Went stale unfortunately pretty fast, also not sure what exactly is going on with HoD but the lack of effort and/or participation is fairly evident.
Props to both servers for making it seem like SF are the “good guys”, I feel as though we should send you both to some Dr. Phil sessions….Also we can safely say that those “legendary T7 small roaming groups” loosely translate into: “we think 3-5 v 1-2 is better than 20v5” (ironyyyyyyyyyyy).
In all seriousness, this has been awfulllllllllllllllllllll, and I do mean aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwfulllllllllllll….Only interesting thing as been the new tactics that come with each tier, the truly good players you guys do really have, and backcapping stuff that NSP euro kids have been day capping.
Farewell T7, as it looks as if those with their degree in glicko-ology are saying we are headed for T6 this week…Not sure myself, but I rarely look at that stuff.
PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.
I also want to add one more thing, if you think I am coming on here arguing because this is gonna kill my build, then you are mistaken. I was curious about that a few weeks back. So I even ventured into sPVP (like I said previously) and to be honest I noticed little difference. In fact, my shatter/confusion build seemed to be just about as effective in sPVP as it is in WvW. Now the glamour AoE stuff, maybe it will suffer but I do not run it so I couldn’t say.
My argument is more with the system of people jumping on forums like this, and QQing it up to the point where Mama ANET has to come in and do something about it….We have seen so many times, look at the current reset times for example. Enough EU people complained that it got changed, that is a separate issue but still goes to my point….People: grow a pair and stop coming on here QQing to try and get the game fit to your playstyle, just because you cannot handle something does not make it OP.
Just because class X cannot kill class Y 10 out of 10 times does not make class Y OP….You people will not be happy with a game until they create just one class, with one set of base skills, any variance within a game is seen as either being OP or UP (underpowered) to people like you.
I will say it again, nerf confusion all you want, I will still kill noobs that do not run away…It is a fact, then you will be back on here saying “confusion is still OP” but then you will have to find another “spin” to put on it.
Confusion was meant to be coupled with the fact that Mesmers do not always do great DPS, and those that do are so squishy the build is not viable in most WvW applications. Mesmers frustrate other players, and that is what they are supposed to do. We might not 1-shot you, but if you want to hang around and try us then you will get slowly killed while we just try to frustrate your day.
At the risk of backtracking…If I remember correctly one of the key issues from the OP was that confusion wasn’t a priority on cleanse.
Not pointing that at the OP, but it did get me thinking of the bigger picture again….You guys realize that at the end of the day we are talking about a “condition” that does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unless you trigger it? I mean, I agree the proc on the dodge rolls traits is overboard, but this is likely a bug more than anything else, as the coding on the traited skill probably comes across as the same of a manually activated skill.
It is FAR likely that ANET even put Confusion as a low priority cleanse because of the fact that it is relatively harmless if recognized early on. Whereas poison, bleeds, etc, proc whether the player activates skills or not. So again, I would say that if I had a skill that removed 3 conditions, I would still want it to target Fire>Bleed>Poison even before confusion.
Again, not to beat a dead horse, but I can run away with 10 stacks of confusion on me and still take moderate amounts of DPS from a chasing player, however if I have 10 stacks of bleed and I am taking DPS from that same player the damage I incur would be much worse.
I think the problem is that people do not want to be handcuffed by confusion and more so, do not want to “retreat” from a fight, so they are arguing this thing to death in an attempt to be able to “cast through” confusion without penalty just as you could do with bleeds/fire/poison etc. Again, this is an issue to where people just do not understand the mechanic, or flatout like I just said: want it nerfed for personal gains.
The same exact thing happened in GW1 with lockdown/shutdown mesmers and again even then ANET had to intervene on the part of “squeaky wheels”, even though then just as now there were workarounds already built into the game.
The fact that it has been proven/stated in this thread that a few classes can iradicate/return confusion, and other can flatout cleanse it (shout warriors with soldiers runes for example) for the most part. Couple that with the posted stats showing that condition dmg affects it just the same as other conditions, and finally that it stacks accordingly when compared to other conditions (bleeds etc), should all be proof enough that it is fine as is.
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So now you resort to calling me a nab and insinuating that I am a moron? SS might behave like confusion, but the amount of ways you can remove SS is 100x higher than the amount of ways you can remove confusion (this is not a made up number).
Unless you can convince me otherwise with some awesome arguments in your next post I am done trying to reason with you.
I did not insinuate anything? I flat out just asked if you were, did not call you a name etc…I just wanted to make sure I was not insulting someone with a learning disability.
Because if I hand you a gun and you blow your brains out, then its not the guns fault. I wouldn’t wanna ban guns, I would wonder why you did that to yourself.
This is not correct, and if you really do believe this then I don’t think you played GW1 very extensively.
Yeah I know, who needs facts when you have an opinion.
Again, theory crafting is absolutely not facts.
I could say that, since X weapon has 90% accuracy, and since weapon Y has 80% accuracy, in a fight between the two weapons, weapon X will always win. This is not correct.
When people say that “well, he should have paid mind to the purple circles around his ally in the corner of his screen while he was busy dealing with the necro and in the middle of a cast and trying to stay alive” it’s just not credible at all.
There are many variables outside of what people conceive on this forum that have a huge effect on how fights play out.
(In reality I think people are just playing ignorant in a futile attempt to not have their precious confusion nerfed. A futile attempt because it’s pretty much set in stone that I will be nerfed).
First off I played GW1 VERY extensively….Extensively enough to know that Confusion is most like Spiteful Spirit, in that it damages from attacks and skill activation…So many people whined about it that after years ANET finally did nerf it to my recollection. Empathy dmged you on attacks, and Backfire on spell activation. Depending on the enemy I (Mesmer/Necro) would take Wreckless Haste (Factions) and mix in a little Price of Failure, and it would do one of two things: 75% of the time nubs died, 25% of the time smarts would run away. Why? Because of the reasons we have outlined in this thread: that if you build for this trait, you likely can’t do enough DPS to overcome a player that just runs away.
Here we go…
If I told you there is a skill in GW1 that
- Removes 8 conditions and 8 hexes (basically everything, for those who didn’t play GW1)
- Usable on any ally within ~900 range
- Has a quarter second cast time
- Costs next to nothing
- Heals the target for ~10% of his / her base HP as well.
Would you be able to list a similar skill in GW2? You won’t. And this is why I don’t believe you played GW1 extensively. Trying to justify GW2 mechanics by comparing them to GW1 mechanics is not possible, because of how different the combat systems were.
You are applying the logic that 1-2 skills on one class (Monk from what I remember only) justified them in GW1 but not GW2?
WTF does that even have to do with this conversation? By that I mean your “terms” above, you want me to start naming Contemplation of Purity or something from GW1? You want me to QQ to anet for not making a skill that has YOUR terms listed?
Truth is there are those skills, that are similar, sure they do not meet all of YOUR criteria. Save Yourselves coupled with Contemplation of Purity comes to mind…Also the necro heal skill http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Consume_Conditions, other builds/professions have trait line items that can take care of conditions. Like my warrior, you can trait (name escapes me) for it to use the “Shake it Off” skill, and then turn around and manually still use “Shake it Off”, if you have the soldiers runes you can pretty much stay condition free….
At the end of the day you can lob all of the elitist: I played moar GW1 kitten you want at me, but confusion only kills people that are too dumb to avoid attacking and spamming….You cannot kill someone with confusion alone, they have to kill themselves. That is a fact jack!
Where as a nub thief (and yes I have one) can just pretty much spam HS and get 8k crits on people with 3k armor, which is truly a broken mechanic.
This is not correct, and if you really do believe this then I don’t think you played GW1 very extensively.
Yeah I know, who needs facts when you have an opinion.
Again, theory crafting is absolutely not facts.
I could say that, since X weapon has 90% accuracy, and since weapon Y has 80% accuracy, in a fight between the two weapons, weapon X will always win. This is not correct.
When people say that “well, he should have paid mind to the purple circles around his ally in the corner of his screen while he was busy dealing with the necro and in the middle of a cast and trying to stay alive” it’s just not credible at all.
There are many variables outside of what people conceive on this forum that have a huge effect on how fights play out.
(In reality I think people are just playing ignorant in a futile attempt to not have their precious confusion nerfed. A futile attempt because it’s pretty much set in stone that I will be nerfed).
First off I played GW1 VERY extensively….Extensively enough to know that Confusion is most like Spiteful Spirit, in that it damages from attacks and skill activation…So many people whined about it that after years ANET finally did nerf it to my recollection. Empathy dmged you on attacks, and Backfire on spell activation. Depending on the enemy I (Mesmer/Necro) would take Wreckless Haste (Factions) and mix in a little Price of Failure, and it would do one of two things: 75% of the time nubs died, 25% of the time smarts would run away. Why? Because of the reasons we have outlined in this thread: that if you build for this trait, you likely can’t do enough DPS to overcome a player that just runs away.
The problem with you L2P people is that you think that you should always be able to beat anyone, anytime in a 1v1 and that’s just simply not the case. But FAILNET will come in and bail your sorry butts out every chance they get because the “squeaky wheel gets the grease”…Where in reality you should just learn to run away sometimes and chalk it up to a build you cant beat, or (le gasp) find a way to win (L2P).
To speak to your last line, I think thieves are tired of running checked in WvW, and are hoping that this solves that…Sprinkle in the bads that are spamming 1 with 10 stacks of confusion, and voila you have this thread….Well I hate to break the bad news to you, but I took my mes (one of 5 geared toons I have) into sPVP they other day…And I pretty much had my way in there like I do in WvW, so I could worry less about this “nerf” if sPV kitten upposedly underpowered….Worst case scenario I will have to wait 30 more seconds to make up for the DPS loss for you to kill yourselves with your auto attack spamzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Well they got culling/haste fixed….Confusion was next, after that I am guessing the nerf-dogs next target will be backstab thieves…People just won’t be happy until they whine enough to get FAILNET to come in and save their bad playing selves….IF confusion is killing you then, you fail, plain and simple….Now sometimes you get stuck with confusion and cant just run away, sucks don’t it…Sometimes I get stuck with 10 stacks of bleed and cleanse/heals both on CD, that sucks for me and sometimes I die.
I want that nerfed, in fact I want it nerfed to where no one dies, no one even goes down. We can just run around and do no dmg to each other and all get participation trophies at the end of the week.
To the people whining about confusion, I say this: go back to the games you came from.
Because Confusion = Spiteful Spirit, Empathy, Backfire, etc from GW1….People all dealt with them, and the hilarious bads like you whined then too.
don’t worry gom already knows how to get out of t8, create threads for 2months straight and Bam your out
And no i am not serious. or am i…?
That got GoM put into T8, not out of it….Also judging by the scores, it looks like that is the best spot for you guys, although the argument could be made that you and HoD could readily swap.
Either way, it should be clear to everyone that SF did not belong in T8, and while our skill level has to improve to compete in T6, it also appears as though we do not belong in T7.
You haven’t been in tier 8 in three weeks, it’s time to let it go. Just take a deep breath and let all the bad stuff out.
Oh, you misjudge me, I wasn’t venting….In fact some of us are even thinking of taking a little vacation back down to T8 eventually. Just depends on what shakes out over the next month or so for me personally….
don’t worry gom already knows how to get out of t8, create threads for 2months straight and Bam your out
And no i am not serious. or am i…?
That got GoM put into T8, not out of it….Also judging by the scores, it looks like that is the best spot for you guys, although the argument could be made that you and HoD could readily swap.
Either way, it should be clear to everyone that SF did not belong in T8, and while our skill level has to improve to compete in T6, it also appears as though we do not belong in T7.
Wait, what?
I swear, no one does anything except transfer away from NSP. Which makes me sad.
Well he is just fulfilling the prophecy of being Ronny Raygun 2.0, that’s all.
Ronny wanted to start a new alliance, when it failed, he left the server.
Deja vu is all I say.Also, currently checking into the legality of jace’s alliance website being a tax write off. I am no expert, but I’m pretty sure that’s fraud.
I don’t know where to start with this.
First of all your screenshot of our conversation was just about 3 months ago. When about 10 MoB players left to Yaks bend and then returned to NSP because we felt at home in NSP.
Secondly, get your facts straight before you start accusing. First of all the alliance website was paid for by thef from KOTR, and it was not a tax write off. The team speak 3 server however is a tax write off (for his own business)for somebody that doesn’t even play guild wars 2. How is that fraud?
Please post pictures of where I tried to sell you explicit pictures for 20g, go ahead anths, or should I pull up LooT forums where you can clearly see your “Private man parts” and when you try to deny it I can pull up a picture from your facebook and match the exact background on your wall to the background in the picture you posted.
Anths you are one of the biggest trolls on NSP.
Comparing me to Ronny Raygun? Thats pathetic I’m the only one from the NSC who actually tried to reach out to Ronny Raygun and communicate with him for the SERVER. Yes Ronny and I had our differences but I still tried to communicate with him (after I realized trolling him got nowhere). I’m by no means trying to split NSP or NSC. The people in our alliance care about the server and is willing to put our differences aside and unite under one server.
Man….NSP, you guys got that HoD drama…clearly we misjudged you when applying nicknames.
Also +1 for the closeness of your server since you guys are all looking at nekkids of each other and whatnot, I see why you run all the “crazy” chicks off.
So, lemme get this straight…we have [king] [King](which is on HoD, I can confirm that) and [KING]?
Originality at its finest.
“People seldom improve when they have no model but themselves to copy after”
~Oliver GoldsmithYou will find that you know of the original everyday in WvW. Originality came in 2003 when KING was developed and the first syndicated guild in guild wars was born. Along with holding HzH and now WvW, Id say we have done a very good job. Those that wish to plagiarize us have good reason too.
Sorry did I miss something?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Zealots_Of_Shiverpeak
“Zealots Of Shiverpeak is the oldest Guild Wars guild, founded by Frostraven and Iceblaze well before the game’s release.”
To be fair some of us had guilds before the game was ever even developed!!!
Also, I knew Prince Rurik personally!
So top that jack!
:D
Didn’t everybody and their dog already say that SF doesn’t have lower tier population?
Putting all the emotes in the world doesn’t cover up a rude comment…Should you have taken the time to read the quote within my comment, you would have realized I was merely stating that just because the tiers are lower does not mean that queues do not exist……
And everybody and their dog should realize, depending on when you log in, that all servers are “Very High” on the ANET population gauge…..What differs is participation, of which SF has a ton of, tell everybody’s dog that next time you are talking to them.
LoL there is a kid that was in our guild that started his own [king] the (lowercase) king guild. Its cute.
Is there a third then? I didn’t think the second had a name that was related to Unified Kingdom, maybe I’m wrong though.
Unless someone is a poser and I havent seen them then no there isnt. I would be sure to ask for royalties for using our brand XD. I had to poke fun at the kid when I saw him in queensdale but it’s a compliment having people want to use our name. We are the one and only KING.
There is a “King” guild on (I wanna say) HoD….They might be NSP but I coulda swore they were on HoD, in my defense they both (servers) have red tags lol…
WvW seems kinda stale to me, and some others I have spoken to. I think it will be a real problem by the summer if ANET hasn’t done something to freshen it up (new map etc)….But I doubt they will.
Still better than PVE though.
Lol this game = “upgrade and bail wars2”. Completely mistitled it.
Commander blue Dorito says, “guys don’t mind those guys on the island…. This tower door means more than they do”.
And 98% of you agree with that statement.
Personally, I think ANET could put more of an emphasis in the scoring system in regards to “kills”, and that would take some of the “cap/defend” focus out of WvW…WvW is getting stale, its the same 4 maps (and hell 3 of them are the same), so its really the same TWO maps over and over….
I am sure I will get a ton of people flaming for saying it, but if you guys do not realize it yet, then it just hasn’t hit you or you are flat out in denial….
IDK maybe I am crazy, maybe we spent so much time in T8 worrying with the score and holding/capping points that it is just burnout talking. I spent the greater part of my weekend on my mesmer just running around looking for duels/harrassing groups of opposing players as much as possible.
I tried following the groups a few times, but I mean kitten you can only cap Mendon’s 1000times before it becomes…well painful, so eventually I would wander off again looking for some pvp…..
I had some fun late Saturday night with some NSPs trying to build siege up on that tower that you guys love so much by your keep, pulling people down with a focus mesmer never seems to get old. Even partied up with a few NSPs over the weekend and had some fun duels/chats, you guys were pretty cool.
Also got ROFLstomped a few times by a PAXA group of 2-3 (might have been 2 and a random), also saw some XOXO’s out and about and a ton of others. Keep up the good fights!
One negative to say: Those trebs at the HoD spawn, that is bullkitten and you guys know it, yeah I know it sucks that you couldn’t get your keep back, but exploiting for the sake of “because it works” is still kinda sissyfied.
Like others have said you pretty much need to load them up on conditions, also if playing as a necro the Corrupt Boon skill is quite nice if you time it right….
I am surprised no one has said much about D/D eles, maybe I do not play mine enough (lvl 42), but the ones I see in WvW seem to be tanky/regen all day long, granted I do not understand them as well as I probably should…But it seems like they can keep boons up a lot easier than some other classes (with some exceptions of course).
Queues down to tier 6/7 ? What fantasy world are you living in. Hardly any queues on all maps outside t1/2 with the possible exception of yaks bend and maguuma who have a strong na core.
I would point out that on reset SF (T7- at the moment, formerly T8 for infinity), has queues ranging from 30 minutes – 1+hrs….Now that is not every map like your highest tiers, but can be 3 out of 4 maps on reset. And then EB pretty much has a queue the rest of the weekend during your “primetime” NA hours….Sprinkled in there are some sporadic queues, during coordinated rushes on certain BLs etc.
So saying that lower-mid tiers do not have queues is a false statement….Just because some do not experience them (whether their server doesn’t have the population, or they play at off-peak times), does not mean that they do not exist.
Hey its that Cosa guild. I never see you guys in wvw.. but. Yet you seem so familiar. Hmmm
Funny cause we were in WvW when you got booted homeboy????
Also CoSA is 2 guilds (formerly 3) strong, made up of people like me who only WvW all the way down to people who never WvW, so I promise you we are in WvW to some extent. But I know cray will be cray, I mean y’all XyXy were the ones responsible for the legendary(pun)transfer, debacle…..Pretty sure if you don’t get that hint, there 3-4 pages of this thread likely dedicated to it….
Maybe I should have clarified, we all know you guys got the forum game on lockdown, we meant bring it IN GAME…rofl…
Please do bring it, in game. I never come across any cosa members that challenge me.
A bit of advice, key-turning and mouse-clicking skills will make it a bit difficult for you. May I suggest heading to queensdale and practicing how to play on npcs. You may see significant improvement in your ability.
ps: try and solo the npcs in queensdale and don’t call a zerg when a centaur kills you
Theres those legendary gankers now, 3v3 or outnumbered its tuck tail and run, anything less than their 3 and theyre on it like a fat kid on cake…Please instill some more of your sage smacktalk loll…….
I have absolutely no idea what you are saying. Did you mean to quote someone else? Did you accidentally delete multiple lines of your paragraph in order to produce that post? Please, do tell!
Oh man, I was gonna ignore this post, but then I saw this post that says the same thing I was essentially “hinting” at:
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3
PS: Thanks XOXO, for at least keeping it real. (not sarcasm, just saying you are seeing the same things on the field that I am)
Think its funny COSA quoting me when I have solo chased groups of them into towers. Irony?
Also ironic that some XOXO (stalagtite w.e) rides the lightning back to towers so fast lol…
The difference is he is running when he is outnumbered, not the other way around.
You speak for him? You lay out his clothes too? I didnt say he wasnt good…just saying you guys like to make generalizing statements, when one video and words could be eaten….
Hey its that Cosa guild. I never see you guys in wvw.. but. Yet you seem so familiar. Hmmm
Funny cause we were in WvW when you got booted homeboy????
Also CoSA is 2 guilds (formerly 3) strong, made up of people like me who only WvW all the way down to people who never WvW, so I promise you we are in WvW to some extent. But I know cray will be cray, I mean y’all XyXy were the ones responsible for the legendary(pun)transfer, debacle…..Pretty sure if you don’t get that hint, there 3-4 pages of this thread likely dedicated to it….
Maybe I should have clarified, we all know you guys got the forum game on lockdown, we meant bring it IN GAME…rofl…
Please do bring it, in game. I never come across any cosa members that challenge me.
A bit of advice, key-turning and mouse-clicking skills will make it a bit difficult for you. May I suggest heading to queensdale and practicing how to play on npcs. You may see significant improvement in your ability.
ps: try and solo the npcs in queensdale and don’t call a zerg when a centaur kills you
Theres those legendary gankers now, 3v3 or outnumbered its tuck tail and run, anything less than their 3 and theyre on it like a fat kid on cake…Please instill some more of your sage smacktalk loll…….
I have absolutely no idea what you are saying. Did you mean to quote someone else? Did you accidentally delete multiple lines of your paragraph in order to produce that post? Please, do tell!
Oh man, I was gonna ignore this post, but then I saw this post that says the same thing I was essentially “hinting” at:
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3
PS: Thanks XOXO, for at least keeping it real. (not sarcasm, just saying you are seeing the same things on the field that I am)
Think its funny COSA quoting me when I have solo chased groups of them into towers. Irony?
Also ironic that some XOXO (stalagtite w.e) rides the lightning back to towers so fast lol…
Hey its that Cosa guild. I never see you guys in wvw.. but. Yet you seem so familiar. Hmmm
Funny cause we were in WvW when you got booted homeboy????
Also CoSA is 2 guilds (formerly 3) strong, made up of people like me who only WvW all the way down to people who never WvW, so I promise you we are in WvW to some extent. But I know cray will be cray, I mean y’all XyXy were the ones responsible for the legendary(pun)transfer, debacle…..Pretty sure if you don’t get that hint, there 3-4 pages of this thread likely dedicated to it….
Maybe I should have clarified, we all know you guys got the forum game on lockdown, we meant bring it IN GAME…rofl…
Please do bring it, in game. I never come across any cosa members that challenge me.
A bit of advice, key-turning and mouse-clicking skills will make it a bit difficult for you. May I suggest heading to queensdale and practicing how to play on npcs. You may see significant improvement in your ability.
ps: try and solo the npcs in queensdale and don’t call a zerg when a centaur kills you
Theres those legendary gankers now, 3v3 or outnumbered its tuck tail and run, anything less than their 3 and theyre on it like a fat kid on cake…Please instill some more of your sage smacktalk loll…….
I have absolutely no idea what you are saying. Did you mean to quote someone else? Did you accidentally delete multiple lines of your paragraph in order to produce that post? Please, do tell!
Oh man, I was gonna ignore this post, but then I saw this post that says the same thing I was essentially “hinting” at:
I was impressed with a KoM mesmer last night who wasn’t running away to safety when his HoD pugs scattered like roaches when 3
PS: Thanks XOXO, for at least keeping it real. (not sarcasm, just saying you are seeing the same things on the field that I am)
Hey its that Cosa guild. I never see you guys in wvw.. but. Yet you seem so familiar. Hmmm
Funny cause we were in WvW when you got booted homeboy????
Also CoSA is 2 guilds (formerly 3) strong, made up of people like me who only WvW all the way down to people who never WvW, so I promise you we are in WvW to some extent. But I know cray will be cray, I mean y’all XyXy were the ones responsible for the legendary(pun)transfer, debacle…..Pretty sure if you don’t get that hint, there 3-4 pages of this thread likely dedicated to it….
Maybe I should have clarified, we all know you guys got the forum game on lockdown, we meant bring it IN GAME…rofl…
Please do bring it, in game. I never come across any cosa members that challenge me.
A bit of advice, key-turning and mouse-clicking skills will make it a bit difficult for you. May I suggest heading to queensdale and practicing how to play on npcs. You may see significant improvement in your ability.
ps: try and solo the npcs in queensdale and don’t call a zerg when a centaur kills you
Theres those legendary gankers now, 3v3 or outnumbered its tuck tail and run, anything less than their 3 and theyre on it like a fat kid on cake…Please instill some more of your sage smacktalk loll…….
Hey its that Cosa guild. I never see you guys in wvw.. but. Yet you seem so familiar. Hmmm
Funny cause we were in WvW when you got booted homeboy????
Also CoSA is 2 guilds (formerly 3) strong, made up of people like me who only WvW all the way down to people who never WvW, so I promise you we are in WvW to some extent. But I know cray will be cray, I mean y’all XyXy were the ones responsible for the legendary(pun)transfer, debacle…..Pretty sure if you don’t get that hint, there 3-4 pages of this thread likely dedicated to it….
Maybe I should have clarified, we all know you guys got the forum game on lockdown, we meant bring it IN GAME…rofl…
I challenge NSP/HOD to bring it this week
Does the all red EB 2 hours ago (when I left for work) with 4 WPs up count as bringing it? Hell of a coverage gap for the mighty SF.
Looks at forum warrior armor, shakes head….
Bringing it, for those that need to understand: would be you actually LEADING THIS MATCH at some point….That is what I am asking, neigh demanding!
Why would we want to lead this match? We don’t like fighting you. Because there’s no fight. Just 50 v 20 all the time.
You have to admit it’s super boring. For us of course, because we don’t like brainless zerging, and for you, because you don’t have real opposition.So stop losing your time here and just move.
Something I feel kinda silly saying, cause I thought it was understood, but you do realize your legendary “roaming groups” of 3-5 are regularly ganking our solo people that are either just running across the map or looking for some semblance of this “small man fight” you guys champion…..So let’s give you the benefit and say its even 2:1, you say 50:20 (our zerg:yours)…..You do see the irony there???
Lets face the facts. Sf PVdoor’d for 3 months in tier 8, couldn’t even get out of tier 8 without massive QQing from thier server to Anet. There is no wonder why you guys just aren’t good. Gates don’t hit back.
One more tidbit , it seems your karma/xp/wxp trains from your first week here are gone. My guess is they can’t stand the stomach of the express waypoint service we at NSP provide. Therefore your weekday population is slowly dwindling.
I feel with each week we are getting stronger, can you say the same ?
If I snatch a mouse up, squeeze it til its eyes are about to pop out….Then slightly get tired/feel sorry/find something else to do and slowly relinquish my grasp….
Am I getting weaker or is the mouse getting stronger?
I challenge NSP/HOD to bring it this week
Does the all red EB 2 hours ago (when I left for work) with 4 WPs up count as bringing it? Hell of a coverage gap for the mighty SF.
Looks at forum warrior armor, shakes head….
Bringing it, for those that need to understand: would be you actually LEADING THIS MATCH at some point….That is what I am asking, neigh demanding!
I just think it is a bit ironic so many high and mighty souls are on here trumpeting the cause of those NA/SA/Canadian peoples stuck in queues and unable to play all this time before the change, while telling others that just because you were able to get into WvW during the previous reset times, you should be grateful and just learn to like the fact that you can’t now but your server-mates can.
Instead you now point the finger at people that find themselves in a similar boat that you were once in, you have have turned a 180 at the hypocritical speed of light and went on the defensive, when in reality everyone on these forums knows this is ANET’s mess….But you are too worried about yourselves to point the issue to where it should be.
So keep going on about how “NA” people should not be selfish, all the while being selfish in your quest to keep your new fangled reset time lol.
In closing, again: not mad at all about the reset because it does not affect me, just pointing out the hypocrisy on display…And I did not name, names….so if you get on here flaming me we will know your guilty conscience is shining through.
Nice try, especially that last bit. Except we’re talking about something that’s good for our community as a whole (and pointing out that the likely impact on your community doesn’t compare to the impact that the reset time had on ours), while some (but not all) NA people are just griping about what fits themselves as individuals.
Like I said there is no “try”, I did not have any agenda other than to point out the hypocrisy involved with getting on here and trying to justify to people that the screwing they took on the biggest night they enjoyed a game, was justified due to the screwing you took for “so many months”….My point is, that someone is doing that screwing and it aint NA/EU, so instead of getting on here writing novels that essentially have the “we suffered, now you suffer” tone, why not get on here and support each other and blast ANET with your feedback….
If your house gets robbed twice in a month, and then the next month it’s your neighbor, you don’t walk across the street and say: “Well Bob, that sucks for you buddy, but I got it twice last month so now you know how it feels….” Bob didn’t want you to get robbed, just like NA didn’t want you guys to have a crappy reset, these were things that were out of our control, hence shouldn’t be “punished” for it now.
Also, before the ANET apologists come with their flamethrowers: Yes I realize the ANET guy (I do not know him, so I am not calling him out by name like we are beer drinking buddies like some of you do…)said they are on it, that is awesome, but we all know in life and especially with ANET: The squeaky wheel gets the grease!
At this point i dont think anyone cares about the score but here we go.
There was a score update in that picture?
You think that one is hidden? Here is an old one to refresh our minds:
This is some GW2 softcore erotica. Which brings me back to an old gripe.
I demand that GW2 stop forcing its players to create hot ladies. There is total hot woman bias in its character creation system. I tried for an hour to create a really ugly “One Angry Sista” and failed miserably. GW2 is going to force girls into a false sense of hot avatar identity which may scar a generation of young GW2 fans. Seriously ANET stop corrupting the minds of todays youth!
Let there be fugly female avatars!
Bro have you looked at some of the female norn options??? Its like Nebraska in that piece….
Charr
LOL I think we were operating on the premise that you wouldn’t think Charr or Asura looked “hot” in any sense….
At this point i dont think anyone cares about the score but here we go.
There was a score update in that picture?
You think that one is hidden? Here is an old one to refresh our minds:
This is some GW2 softcore erotica. Which brings me back to an old gripe.
I demand that GW2 stop forcing its players to create hot ladies. There is total hot woman bias in its character creation system. I tried for an hour to create a really ugly “One Angry Sista” and failed miserably. GW2 is going to force girls into a false sense of hot avatar identity which may scar a generation of young GW2 fans. Seriously ANET stop corrupting the minds of todays youth!
Let there be fugly female avatars!
Bro have you looked at some of the female norn options??? Its like Nebraska in that piece….