Guild Wars 2

Jeknar.6184:

FilthyRat.4652:

Jeknar.6184:

People on ET thinking about fleeing to HoD: I’ll help carry you there if you want… Here is the first one i’m taking.

LOL…thats to funny

I would name it under a certain commander, but I don’t want my score update ruined by an overzealous moderator…

When the wind blows, it makes things Flap….

Sadistis.4257:

Outmanned on every map man T8 is broken ET and FC both have severe numbers advantages and massive zergs rolling around. /end Sarcasm as ET will tell you SF has no night crew but it gives me something to clean up when i get up in the morning and means there was GFs last night

They giving GFs on ET/FC now? I mean I don’t think my wife would approve, but still that’s commitment to the recruiting process I must say!

Loken.9724:

Oh hai, SF was nice introducing my guild to your server in EB tonight. Jerrifers was fun.

Yes that was fun, got much more fun for us once we finished the kitteneep and actually got down there to get everyone on the same page and stop feeding the zerg ball badges/kills.

You guys were very well coordinated and that was a solid strategy, look forward to future encounters.

Jace.6973:

To the guild Mend that recently transfered to HoD, wow you guys must of came from a high tier. You guys have the numbers and strategies that completly fooled my guild. Great seeing new opponents!

They transferred in from ET…

Ruprect.7260:

Your servers are med pop, I doubt you all 3 combined even equal one very high server. But that is pure speculation.

Just depends on when you check, when I transferred in a few months back (paid) it was high populated and usually is.

And I can assure you ANET would look at 1: total servers and 2: population per…in that order of importance when making decisions. Meaning I would venture to guess they would make decisions based on servers/tiers without worrying FIRST about the population of said servers.

That is not a blanket statement, just would depend on the situation, but I would think in this situation they would approach it as it affects “1/8th of the population” even though you’re correct it isnt a hard number of the population.

Ruprect.7260:

How do you figure it’s 1/8?

24 servers in NA, 3 servers per tier.

This doesnt just affect the two losers, or lowest servers in T8…You think its fun for SF to log in and have NOTHING to cap/do/defend in WvW 80% of the time?

Victoitor.2917:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

All these people defending the Glicko system and saying they just need to reset points…. Might I bring up the one week where the matchup site had all servers at equal points? The lowest tier servers where one server DOMINATES the whole week ended up in tier 1, and ballanced matchups ended up being moved down a few, to several tiers. I think it goes without saying that, the poor low tier servers would end up getting stomped, and the point system would be borked for well over a month because of it.

Maybe I should make myself a bit more clear. Glicko is not the problem, but there is a problem on how Anet is using the Glicko system. The problem is the lack of variety in opponents, which should happen for the Glicko scoring system to work well. There IS a problem. People should just see that the problem is NOT the Glicko scoring system. It’s just how it’s being applied.

I posted this thread because understanding the problem is crucial to offer a good solution. BTW, I think that the free transfer solution that was used is an awful solution.

Yep the system works great until you lose variation, and that is what T8 has done…The way I see it is basically:

you wanna move up? —->beat a good opponent
you want a good opponent? —->you gotta move up

That is the abyss/glicko ghetto/vicious cycle/issue that most of us have in T8.

Want to know why you poor little dears have to read all of these “whiney” threads? Because ANET refuses to even respond! Hell we dont even get the standard “we are working on it” from time to time that culling got, some of us would even take a kitten off from ANET, at least we would know where we stand…..Without manipulating the current system the same 3 servers could be in T8 for anywhere from 2 more months to 10 more months…Hell if it was a close matchup you would likely see no complaining, but when SF only shows up half the time and is winning by 200k most times there has to be a problem (see attachment from score update today)….

While all of you high and mighty people that posted above about how we whine and ANET shouldnt cater to the minority, that “minority” is 1/8th of the TOTAL “NA” population on this game.

Victoitor.2917:

Jeknar.6184:

There are only 2 solutions for T8:

1) Fix the abyss that the past blowouts made, so the next server down here don’t stay forever even if it’s overdominating.

or

2) Give a incentive to ET and FC receive a population boon, that might make the Matchup more balanced.

Wouldn’t my solution be a third one? The solution is simple, any time a server wins 3 times in a row the same tier, he gets one week on the above tier to prove himself. If he does well, his score will be adjusted accordingly and he will have a chance of leaving. If he does not and his score does not beat the server he just knocked off, he’ll come back to his previous tier. This only makes sense by looking at how Glicko works.

I talked to you on the (GOM vs NSP vs HOD thread) and now I see you also posted here. Left you a reply there also.

So how does this decide on which of the 3 in the tier above drop down? I mean assuming one does not also lose (place 3rd) 3 times in a row?

katz.8376:

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY FLAME RAM~!

Hail Ram!

Linanthony.1809:

To SF fellow^
No idea what you’re talking about and the server doesn’t dictate the actions of people. If possible, please screen shot it and hope to see you in t7 in 2 more months!

Hope to see you as well, and yes it is a shame that one person (or a couple of people in this case) can cast a negative light on a group. This kind of stuff is expected somewhat when ANET makes decisions like this though.

Sorry no SS as I was only popping through LA at the time, and was really just throwing it out there that it happened.

Pretty funny to see the HoD person guesting on SF and recruiting for HoD in LA last night…GL with all that and do not think it went unnoticed by the majority of our server…..

Daemonne.5018:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Tanryth.1074:

DisplayName.7802:

I dont know if its the culling fix, but I can suddenly see more than 15 people on both ET/FC.
Anywhoo, I like to welcome all the new guilds that transferred to Tier 8, doesnt matter if its FC,ET or even SF. Hello from COSA

Banjo it’s funny for us too…since SF has always claimed only have 15-20 in their zergs…

Apparently someone was under estimating themselves

I love how you guys are taking something like the patch THAT OBVIOUSLY BOOSTED WvW population on every server in the game, and applying it to the age-old SF has moar people QQ argument…Of course we have more people now, theres something shiny to look at and do, same way the FC BL was Queued last night…Theres more people WvWing than likely ever before, SF has a larger server (click transfer to verify) it only makes sense that with increased participation we would have more people….But do not apply what happened 10hrs after a major patch to something that has been being discussed for 3 months of a stale matchup to where some nights SF had 10 people in EB if we were lucky.

If you guys didn’t expect a population increase in WvW after a patch that was advertised as a primarily WvW patch….then I would say, have you tried Doodlejump?

Now to be fair, you’ve always had more people who were willing to come to the call that there was activity happening. Your pop has mass reserves who for the most part probably don’t hit the wvw map unless it’s /map or /guild shouted that “hey we need peeps for this or that”.

Our servers have a smaller pop with less people who rise to those calls.

I don’t think anybody can say that you have more active people ALL the time roaming around the Mists. Although one large group tracking those map hopping and taking stuff could make it seem like it :-D

I am hoping that after last night, ET and Ferg will have more willing to respond as it was an outstanding night for battle, even if we got rolled in certain areas.
I feel some of the battles we had showed the irregular WvWrs the fun to be had by all.

+1 The closest thing to reality I think I have heard anyone from FC/ET utter in a long while.

Tanryth.1074:

DisplayName.7802:

I dont know if its the culling fix, but I can suddenly see more than 15 people on both ET/FC.
Anywhoo, I like to welcome all the new guilds that transferred to Tier 8, doesnt matter if its FC,ET or even SF. Hello from COSA

Banjo it’s funny for us too…since SF has always claimed only have 15-20 in their zergs…

Apparently someone was under estimating themselves

I love how you guys are taking something like the patch THAT OBVIOUSLY BOOSTED WvW population on every server in the game, and applying it to the age-old SF has moar people QQ argument…Of course we have more people now, theres something shiny to look at and do, same way the FC BL was Queued last night…Theres more people WvWing than likely ever before, SF has a larger server (click transfer to verify) it only makes sense that with increased participation we would have more people….But do not apply what happened 10hrs after a major patch to something that has been being discussed for 3 months of a stale matchup to where some nights SF had 10 people in EB if we were lucky.

If you guys didn’t expect a population increase in WvW after a patch that was advertised as a primarily WvW patch….then I would say, have you tried Doodlejump?

Darek.1836:

50 men… only a third of what’s on the map.. and people still think SF belongs in t8.

It has been one night, let’s give it a week and then see what we have in participation. I will make no bones about it though, we had a ton of people last night, more than I have seen since transferring in a couple of months back.

Someone was saying that at times we were Medium populated so we could actually have had transfers, which is pretty low on the believability scale….My guess is that a ton of people read “WvW patch” and joined to see the scoop. Like others have said give it some time and things will get closer to what they were before the patch.

We always knew we had a ton of people but also knew we didn’t have as many participating as we could/should have. You guys had a lot too there for a while, but like I said we just zerged every map with folks, personally I hope about 20% of those people go back to PVE soon….It was painful for some of us on SF too

katz.8376:

They have a week…

They could probably farm up that “transfer back gold” in less than a week…but they would still be locked in ET for 7 days.

We beat the game…they had to patch it

Ungood.3054:

wyther.8372:

THANK YOU ANET FOR RUINING OUR SERVER.

So many transfers we now have queues. I have long been outspoken about people wanting transfers to come to our server when people would post it. We had it rough but we had a good place. I didn’t transfer to kaineg because I didn’t want to be on a huge server.

Son of a kitten!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I will have to leave the server I enjoyed to go to a bottom tier 8 server once this one sky rockets up. GAH i’m so mad right now.

Holy kitten… people actually came to our server ?

Not enough…

Ok now I admit…we NOW have a TON of people in WvW (expected with patch and all)…

Cymric.7368:

Jeknar.6184:

Whatever happen, I just hope people on ET/FC don’t flee to HoD…

Maybe… SF ppl will take this chance to fee to HoD? Good news yes?

Maybe but the SF morale is “ok”, I wouldn’t say great, but considering we win pretty easily and generally hold everything we can it goes a long way to keeping the troops “satisfied”….Plus you should read more of these matchup threads, you know us big bad MZ bullies on SF just beat up on ET when we get frustrated!

cimon.5798:

plus im pretty sure u can do your dailys mostly in wvw wich will net you them groovy assended thingys

And in two years you might have enough items for one toon…..

Ungood.3054:

Atho, if we really wanted to be mean, Et and Fc could just jump to HoD, and shoot them up, and thus leave T8 with 2 dead servers.

I think merging 2-servers into 1 would be hard enough logistically, but if you guys thought you could realistically swing merging 3 into 1, I say go for it….It would get the attention of the people that have the stroke to fix this system for sure.

katz.8376:

ET and FC lumping together into one big server may be a good idea… problem is… how do we settle who goes where. i’m NOT leaving my guild. no if’s, and’s or but’s. if my guild transfers, i will. if it stays, i will. period. i’m sure others are of a similar feeling

Well, again staying as impartial as possible, it seems as though FC have more of a zealot-like (to steal Jeks word) population in terms of their server pride.

Either way I am sure no one would expect people to leave their guild. I was basically talking about guild transfers I guess when I think about it. As in all the TACs, TFoRs, PKs, Mends (if they still even exist) were to transfer to FC, then you might have something interesting.

It would also be interesting to see ANETs next “fix”, because whichever server is left would be extinct (WvW-wise). That is what happens in situations like this, a decision is made betting on the law of averages, and not counting on a group getting together and changing those outcomes. So if 2 servers did merge on this deal, I doubt we would ever see free transfers again lol…In college I had a professor that curved the final based on the highest grade (IE: on a 100 scale, a 90 would curve to 100 and give everyone else +10 points to the grade they earned). That was fine and dandy until everyone in our class answered “c” to every question, everyone got a 50-something and everyone rounded up to 100 and never again did that person offer said curve.

They are counting on people that are sick of queues etc and think that life would be better in T7 & T8, they are likely not counting on FC/ET switches. Something like that would definitely shake up the system and would be a game changer at least for the T8 situation.

roostapro.9827:

Yes yes, keep that stuff to the match up thread please, thank you

Will do, but no real need for this thread with free transfers….I mean if they dont come at this point, they are just not that into you bro.

Ungood.3054:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

- These zergs often take an anti-combative sentiment, in that as soon as they are met with relative resistance, they run away to another Map. (Which in turn leads to a game of hide and seek.)

I for one am insulted at this accusation.

behold the Anti-Combative nature of Eredon.

He said as his 60s level Ranger ran from my puny 30s level necro last night near the flag just south of garrison. :P

I am sure you were just too busy to own me honestly.

D W.5179:

We have been fighting for around 2 months now to get out of T8, and once the end is in sight (Maybe I was optimistic, but I figured 1 or 2 more weeks) then ANet pulls the rug out of under us. I understand that the medium population servers need transfers, and this should help that, but it doesn’t make the last 2+ months of a wasted effort any easier to swallow.
As said above me, hopefully FC and ET get enough of a population boom to compete and not just enough to keep us here in a lopsided match indefinitely.

Totally agree bro, pretty much makes everything we have worked toward kinda useless if it goes the way we’re hoping it doesn’t….

I sure hope they are still open to the idea of a hard reset…That is the only thing that may fix things if people DO go crazy with these transfers…

At this point it might not be anything to worry with, things are usually not as bad as they seem, but I think the thing we are raging about is the POTENTIAL that this has to either improve/further ruin T8.

Dogskins.1259:

Oh the humanity. Guys, play where ever you want to play, it’s up to you. This thread quickly turned into an Immigration Proposition on one of California’s 873 elections they have every year. Reading some of the response posts on here have been providing me with good hours of laughter while I’m at work on my overnight shift! Some of you should work for your respective state/local/national governments…or at the very least, become a creative speech writer for Student Government at the local university.

“Pick (insert server here) because:

Big block of text with facts and thrilling syllabus on what will happen if you move here,
Sounding more and more like a scene from Congress or the Oval Office."

No place is perfect. Even some angels fell from heaven, if you get into religion…ponder that. But just reading the absolute gawking and collegiate reports that you guys have detailed out for them to join your video game server is absolutely hilarious to me. It’s all not needed. They will choose a server and either A) will wikittenEA time and get wrecked NA hours, or continue to get sat on and wrecked by the even bigger SEA time covered servers as well as the NA folks.

If you are moving to win, go to JQ. If you wanna do the right thing, stay on SoS. if you want more of the same, with a very unpredictable future, move to any other server out there not named JQ. All it takes is 1 server to move in or out of your tier for someone to be dominating or getting rolled all over again.

Owned it.

roostapro.9827:

+1 to this, if your looking for a server, Eredon Terrace is the choice

We have Yam also, and talk about yam often in LA.

The Yam Is Nigh…….

Whereas in SF we pray to Ram.

Manoa.5897:

D W.5179:

Free transfers are back… well, there goes leaving T8 in a week or two. We are likely stuck in this matchup for months to come now.

Best case scenario, the med population servers get just the right amount of transfers to make T8 a bit more competitive and becomes fun for all. Worst case scenario, the med population servers get a surge of WvWer transfers and Sorrow’s Furnace becomes the new bottom kitten.

Whatever the case, our chances of breaking out T8 into T7 are completely hosed. Because even if ET and FC don’t get transfers, HoD likely will.

Two months…two frickin’ months of dominating…all for nothing. Get cozy SF boys and girls, T8 just became our new permanent home.

Like I said earlier my worst fear is that it gets competitive enough, just long enough, to stick us here for good…And then we all know what will happen, people will leave, go to PVE, etc…And 6 months from now we will be still stuck here. SF will have people come out of the woodwork if we were to start to struggle and it would be fun for a while, and good for everyone in the short-term. But I would doubt that ET/FC would get enough transfers to ever pull head enough to win-out a week.

Truth be told, as I said many times, I have no problem with the same server matchups. Hell its the same maps over and over anyway, my problem is the same lopsided matches…So if this does magically fix that, then I would stand corrected.

ET/FC should stick it to them and all pile into one server, thus killing the other…See how the grand plan works out then, it amazes me that ANET was willing to say that free transfers were a bad idea, and then 3 months later comes right back with them.

Jeknar.6184:

Manoa.5897:

So much rage at ArenaNet right now. Instead of actually fixing the Glicko Ghetto, they instead give free transfers to our T8 enemies and the T7 server that we’ve been trying desperately to swap places with. So this is our “reward” for dominating for 2 months straight? Such bullkitten.

Bullkitten is the fact that everyone will chose HoD over ET/FC… T7 having the most balanced matches these weeks will most likely attract people there, while HoD grows and SF stay on Glicko Ghetto get longer…

HoD isn’t suposed to be open for free transfer… I’d rather open it for SF.

Well said Jek, and that is an excellent point.

Manoa.5897:

insanemaniac.2456:

makes face at SF
nyah!

ColinJohanson.2394:

For the next week, all the medium population servers will be free to transfer to. Might be worth giving one of them a look!

So much rage at ArenaNet right now. Instead of actually fixing the Glicko Ghetto, they instead give free transfers to our T8 enemies and the T7 server that we’ve been trying desperately to swap places with. So this is our “reward” for dominating for 2 months straight? Such bullkitten.

Let me preface my comments by saying that I fully expected to be stuck in T8 for at least another month before this news, so I do not want people to think that I am whining about ET/FC getting potential help/population boostings.

My complaint is that everyone and their brother claims/believes/admits that free transfers broke glicko/WvW Tiers in the past, and now what does ANET do to “remedy” this? MOAR FREE TRANSFERS….Let’s hope they dont have trouble with in-game economy in the future: “Let’s give them free gold, or maybe put them on ANET assistance, they can cash a gold voucher every month around the 1st…”

I fully support the lacking servers getting help, like I said above I do not mind that as much. But what do people think is going to happen when these “free transfers” do not like what they get? What happens when these people bail from WvW in the event the score differential only slightly changes and these people do not wanna lose by 100k etc?

I’ll tell you what: disgruntled people that will be kitten that they moved to the lowest tier, unhappy that they cant move back to their “home”, and an even more diminished attendance for little brother and middle brother…And after all that what we will be left with is the same stale matchup for another 3+ months by that time because this influx was just enough to hold us in T8.

Again, I hope you guys get the help you need, nothing personal toward ET/FC, but I would hope that the same people that have been VOCAL on these forums about free transfers “ruining their server” would not change their tune just because you THINK it will benefit you.

This is ANET’s solution folks: drop a patch, and drop free transfers back into play to “fix” their broken system.

/rant over

Daemonne.5018:

King Amadaeus.8619:

katz.8376:

Alchemist.3692:

Because of commitment, and skill. There’s more than one factor in winning. You guys seem to think numbers is the only thing that counts which is sad

if, hypothetically, given all people with equal skill, one side has 50, and the other 10, which do you think will win?

i can’t count the number of times i’ve been in a group of 5… 10… 15 ET, and i look out in front of me and and see 30… 40…. 60… SF.

outmanned buff is broken. you can’t use that as a basis, but ya know if you want i’ll start taking screenshots of the HUGE FREAKING ZERGS as proof that you guys are outnumbering us

i can easily get proof. you, on the other hand, are full of hot air.

Not trying to be funny or troll etc, but honestly if you are constantly out-manned like that (PS I have never seen 40+ in an SF zerg), then I think you are playing in the wrong areas of the map or with the wrong folks. I can assure you I spent the greater part of the weekend in your BL, and we had the outmanned buff several times. Sunday afternoon we probably had 20+ people at Greenlake and had the outman pop up here and there…Heck we even had to breakout just to get the tower, those portal bombs were pretty funny as well.

Again not trolling seriously, just saying there are ET zergs out there, we fight them regularly on your BL.

Ok, I have to ask something here. When you are outmanned in an opponents BL in which you are attacking…can you really call the defenders a “Zerg”? I can’t see a server in their own BL being a zerg in any sense of the word.
That server is reclaiming property in their own territory, thats called defending even if they are roaming and re-conquering objective.
I don’t know if I just have a skewed ideal about what a zerg is, but to me a zerg would be taking, lets say, 20 – 25 + in manpower and sweeping through opponents BL, seeing as they would be the invaders.
If SF was out in patrols of 10 – 15 in our territory, ET for the record, they would be skirmishing or “ninjaing” property, even conquering. Now if they took 25+ that could maybe be considered a zerg. Now If they rolled 40, 50+ sweeping the countryside, well yeah, you now have yourself a zerg. That many people can almost instantly construct siege and tear down mountains before defensive reinforcements could even arrive.

Bottom line of my thinking, zerg gets thrown around way too easily. Most of my ire at the term is, zerg should never be used for a server on their own territory. They are just defending what is rightfully (map wise in theory) theirs.

This wasn’t really directed at you, but inspired by your post when you stated zerg in the same sentence as “in your BL”.

:-D

No offense taken, and yes the term zerg probably does get used too much, and incorrectly.

I would not consider anything under 20 a zerg to be honest. But if you are on a map that doesnt have much a population and you see about 15+ red tags on your screen odds are when you report it in /map you will say “_ zerg at Redbriar” etc. Many people seem to use the term as to say: “group of server at this __location___”. I have even seen “small zerg of ET at GL”…

In the end I do not get too worked up about the usage, realistically I use it to tag/name the primary enemy force on the map. But where we do differ, is that I do not think it matters which map/BL you are in, zergs are zergs to me, whether they are attacking, backcapping, or even defending. It is just putting a name to a group, that probably would be best suited for larger groups to be accurately used, but in T8 sometimes 16 peeps is a zerg lol.

Rob.7624:

Sorrows Furnace is looking like an interesting server to watch.
With training.
It smells of tier 3.
Maybe you should consider buying some guilds to create a stronger core.

Don’t poke the bear lil fella….

geekanerd.4123:

Ungood.3054:

Shanks.8793:

And please Manfred I am sick of your drama in ET don’t bring it here in the forums.

If you need. The Eredon Terrace Forums will be glad to provide you a place to post your drama and rage.

Thanks for stepping in with that, Ungood. It’s getting a little uncomfortable here with this dirty laundry being aired out. I realize people have grievances against others on their servers — including myself — but this really isn’t the place for that. It’s just going to get removed and the posters infracted and possibly even the thread shut down.

Moving on, I would say over the weekend it’s not uncommon to roll in a Ferg zerg 20ish strong or so. Maybe 30 in a perfect storm of convergent coverage zones and interest on the same map. But I can’t say I’ve been in a 30er in awhile. Still, let me just say that if you’re on Sorrow’s and you think you don’t have a massive population advantage over Eradon and Ferguson, I want to smoke what you’re smoking. I’ve seen your tide wash over our tide at peak hours just way too many times to buy into denials.

PS
That’s not an attack on player skill or talent or whatever you want to call it. I get friggin’ stomped by Sorrow’s toons all the time outside of the zerg balls, and I’m a pretty decent player. Frankly, I don’t give two squirts of hot kitten who’s better than who. However, ignoring the disparity in population advantage is just silly, as well is chalking SF’s current tier 8 shellacking as pure talent. C’mon guys. Don’t be silly. It’s unbecoming.

As far as Fergs go you probably wouldnt find many SFs that think you have adequate numbers…That argument was more originally directed at ET (and maybe Ferg back in the day), and really none of us dispute that at times we have superior numbers in WvW. The point that we were trying to make was that for whatever reason (PVE, losing, stale matchup etc), there was a participation issue on ETs side. We knew they had substantial numbers, because those number do roll us from time to time….But sustaining and keeping those people in WvW seems to be the real issue.

I really do wish both servers the best (seriously)…Because the first Friday after we leave will decide your ultimate WvW fate. If someone from T7 moves down, and the situation remains the same (the T7 scores similar to SF or worse), then the mass transfers will be back, morale will go even further below where it is now, and the server(s) will be all but dead as far as WvW is concerned. I know the current theory held is that SF isnt T8 material and for whatever reason (glicko, transfers etc) that the true T8 server is in T7 right now. My personal opinion is that once a new matchup becomes available you will of course see an increase of WvW participation and hopefully that will be enough to give you a good showing.

This is the REAL problem ANET has on its hands, every week that goes by, all 3 sides are looking at the “other side of the fence”…When you get to that other side if that grass is just as brown and dead as it is here then that would probably be catastrophic for the morale of the server. When you play the same maps over and over, there should be matchup changes much more often (modify the system if you have to), WvW is redundant enough (3 identical maps & then EB), having the same matchup for going on 3 months is maddening and shouldn’t happen on any Tier.

BeBlunt.4793:

FilthyRat.4652:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Also, question for PK, what is the point of standing still when you see Invaders and subsequently dying without doing anything? Some sort of ‘giving up’ message perhaps? That seemed to be a recurring theme with your members…

Lol…think we just figured out why ET can run around with zergs but not bring up orange swords (they did here, but there was like 50). Look close at the right side and you will notice people standing there with their hands in their pockets.

ya i also noticed in that screenshot hanna saying not to worry it’s ET’s whole server so i can see that some of SF even admit we dont have many people in WvW

That is taken out of context, prior to and after we were discussing/joking the whole “ET only has 24 people” thing. I remember that conversation and am 98% sure that was sarcasm.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

katz.8376:

FilthyRat.4652:

katz.8376:

and as for you, ratty.. you need to learn to count if you think there’s 50 there…. unless there’s that many more again off screen. i counted 25-26 in that shot. try again.

There were people running supply from camp and around corner.

25 of them?

XD i was with that group till i lagged out. no way in heck we had 50. i’d buy that at that point we had 30-35. ( >le gasp!< did an ETer actually admit to having a decent force on the field? omg! write it down!!!! >eyeroll< )

i woke up extra early to catch the fun

THERE IT IS! katz admitted to having a bunch of people. And im still not sure why you didnt defend with atleast 30 people. We were running around tower to tower with 5 people

Who is defending fractals then?!

katz.8376:

Alchemist.3692:

Because of commitment, and skill. There’s more than one factor in winning. You guys seem to think numbers is the only thing that counts which is sad

if, hypothetically, given all people with equal skill, one side has 50, and the other 10, which do you think will win?

i can’t count the number of times i’ve been in a group of 5… 10… 15 ET, and i look out in front of me and and see 30… 40…. 60… SF.

outmanned buff is broken. you can’t use that as a basis, but ya know if you want i’ll start taking screenshots of the HUGE FREAKING ZERGS as proof that you guys are outnumbering us

i can easily get proof. you, on the other hand, are full of hot air.

Not trying to be funny or troll etc, but honestly if you are constantly out-manned like that (PS I have never seen 40+ in an SF zerg), then I think you are playing in the wrong areas of the map or with the wrong folks. I can assure you I spent the greater part of the weekend in your BL, and we had the outmanned buff several times. Sunday afternoon we probably had 20+ people at Greenlake and had the outman pop up here and there…Heck we even had to breakout just to get the tower, those portal bombs were pretty funny as well.

Again not trolling seriously, just saying there are ET zergs out there, we fight them regularly on your BL.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

FSAE is on Eredon Terrace and we have as strong interest in fostering interguild communication and cooperation. I would love to help if possible. I will try to contact you in game if possible.

They are a good guild with great players, used to play with them and now play against them…Some of the best players/people on ET in that guild.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Dat ET Garrison last night, holy hell.

Break the west wall get west gate to 50%~ and get pushed out, bring a golem army to watergate, get through inner, get pushed out. After two or three different siege placement for mid gate finally get in, and slowly work your numbers down to the point that we rush in and cap it.

It was tremendously fun, do it more often please :P.

Sidenote: It was the running joke of the night that we were fighting your entire server at the Garrison. So does that mean I could have had my guildies guest over for lag-free dragon events last night :P?

Just about the time I was logging off last night I saw the Golem plan being laid out…I hated to miss it after I saw someone say “I am thinking 10 golems”, not sure how many you guys ended up using though.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Anya.6015:

Hi guys, I’m new to the WvW forums… and WvW in general. I just kinda have to say that I thought the reset was going to help me a bit with my world completion (working on a legendary), but it’s quickly become an entirely green map, which means I’m kind of stuck because the FC zergs don’t often leave FC. Is there any way we could work out some way for people who are working on world completion to go and get the points of interest/vistas and then let the server they were running through take their stuff back with little to no resistance? It probably wouldn’t change the score much…

(P.S. World vs World is seriously fun… I wasn’t expecting it to be, but it is.)
(P.P.S. I’ve been killed in the jumping puzzle a few times, once in the middle of the bow animation. That isn’t cool. Please don’t camp the puzzles for kills.)

Sorry, hun. The JP’s still in WvW, and thus still large-scale PvP. If you’re going in and don’t own every portal you better be ready for some 1v1 or worst, because it’s gonna happen.

Hell, they even added traps. Puzzle fights were intended.

Camping the end is wee bit more kittenish, but as I’ve seen ET/FC doing that and murdering anyone who showed up (half the time I’m in EB JP people are letting peaceful invaders take the chest), it’s still not something I’d moan about.

I am positive we do it, I mean I am pretty sure there are people that do from SF…So not pointing the finger at all, but I know that our mesmers call for help usually about the time we siege the last keep or shortly thereafter, maybe it is a coincidence but always seems about the time they get “locked” out of the JP the ones inside start the PKing lol…

My personal stance is that its a full PVP area, if there are no reports of killing and I see a red tag I will usually keep enough distance to try and gauge their intentions (IE: wait for a /bow /wave etc).

Best rule of thumb is to assume every red tag as hostile, after all if ANET didn’t intend for PVP type stuff to go on in there all they had to do is make everyone [Invulnerable].

Ungood.3054:

Jeknar.6184:

Ungood.3054:

Manoa.5897:

P.S. The windmill is a dueling spot? Good to know.

I had no idea either.

Is that any windmill on any borderland?

I think it’s the windmill near Hero’s/Chapion’s/Victor’s Supply Camp. So there is one in each borderland.

Cool, good to know. Thank you

Just now saw this/these posts, yes those are the places we normally duel 1v1, far as I know its on all the BL maps at the windmills like Jek said….and yes someone will inevitably come running by and ruin it lol, a thief from FC and I went like 5 minutes straight one night while on my guardian, got interupted a few times by people from my server and his but we never went down and would just reset, it was pretty much a draw, good times we even partied up after and talked builds etc…

I have had some awesome duels with the FC guys/gals over there.

katz.8376:

thanks for the good hard fights, SF guys. good practice for me! and lots of loot tonight! <3 someone even gave me some rare boots. woooooo.

XD

Yep we got a ton as well, good times. That hour or so we battled around the Hills bridge/steps/bridge/lake tower, I pretty much would fill up my bags, then go on a suicide mission or port back to spawn to empty them and start again. By the time I quit last night I had gotten nearly 80 badges I think, even got a couple of rares myself which is a good night for a weekday.

And yes we did have a queue to get into the ET BLs I was told.

Yeah I said I was sleepy, didnt even realize I had the wrong tab up when I posted or that this was even the old thread for that matter, I knew there was a new one just didnt really care or pay attention which was which lol.

4AM work days will do that to ya

Haha forgot which one i was in …

Sleepy time, with a score update, Sav said shes tired of picking up loots as well.

Have fun peeps, and yes I know Jek is king of the screenshot lol, and also couldnt post the super secret text…too lazy to cover it up properly.

We now have a queue I am told to get into the ET BL lol.

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

You have been there for 9 weeks now, that news is so old, I think it grew a beard and wrote a book.

Witty….thanks for the loot bags!

Meh. I would thank you, but, honestly, I only know of person from SF, a Mezmer from King that stands out, everyone else is just a sea of dead green.

Yeah I dont remember you much at all either from my time in ET, PK was a small guild from what I remember back then.

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It was, only 400 members.. quite small

But I don’t remember you at all, or the guild you left and the guild you joined had a rep long before you became a member.

Lol I was Mend while on ET, and I doubt you were 400 strong back then but maybe so. If yall got 400 you should be owning your BL??? I am actually in the 3rd CoSA guild, pretty big group of peeps

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

You have been there for 9 weeks now, that news is so old, I think it grew a beard and wrote a book.

Witty….thanks for the loot bags!

Meh. I would thank you, but, honestly, I only know of person from SF, a Mezmer from King that stands out, everyone else is just a sea of dead green.

Yeah I dont remember you much at all either from my time in ET, PK was a small guild from what I remember back then.

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

You have been there for 9 weeks now, that news is so old, I think it grew a beard and wrote a book.

Witty….thanks for the loot bags!

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Doubtful that you will make people on my server mad at me, like I said this isnt a widely held belief, but it aint exactly just ME either lol….See you forum warriors out there tonight!

Me make them mad at you? You wrong me sir and I am offended that you would accuse me of such an antic.

They will either agree with what you are doing, disagree with what you are doing, or find you insignificant enough to not care what you are doing, none of which I have any control over.

Been jumping into your zergballs all evening and getting out 80% of the time lol…

And as far as your intent I will let your words speak for themself, but as you can see tonight, like I said we are in your backyard, get used to it. :P

Ungood.3054:

King Amadaeus.8619:

It is great for my karma, XP, Titles, WvW exploration, and most importantly helps my server.

No. It does not help your server. It keeps them on T8 longer, so I wonder if they share your sentiments of keeping them down here out of some spite game you are playing.

But hey, keep it up, as boring as it is to face your unskilled zerg balls, and then cap everything back again every morning to your dismay, it’s great for my karma, kills and badges.

I mean, really if you don’t want to get out T8, you should have said but it seems there are those on your server that want to move on to something more, and you’re only hurting them. Not me, or Anyone on ET. In fact when you jump into our zerg balls, it normally ends with your death and us getting badges. so keep it coming.

Doubtful that you will make people on my server mad at me, like I said this isnt a widely held belief, but it aint exactly just ME either lol….See you forum warriors out there tonight!