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Smiling, as a former ET, that went to SF: Come to the Dark Side. Seriously, I will always have friends in ET, so I would hate to see you guys leave there and hurt the server.

But if you are truly dead-set on going, I would hope that you would consider your old foes at SF. We could use some oceanic coverage the most, but we do not have queues in EB 90% of the time in NA primetimes. The only times we experience queues are at reset (of course) and during peak weekend times, which is normally only reserved to EB.

We are in an uphill fight at the moment in T6, so it would not be like you were joining the bandwagon, DH and even IoJ have proven to be worthy opponents.

Anyway, like I said hopefully you guys work everything out, but if you do truly want to move do not do so without at least checking SF out.

Rogue Lemming.6358:

King Amadaeus.8619:

PhaNTaSiZe.4215:

There’s been a fair amount of whining in our (SF’s) map chats about how we’re losing and we’re “not up to the challenge”

The score would indicate that we are not up for the challenge,

The score would indicate that we are right where we need to be. Whether we are up to the challenge depends on our ability to continue evolving. If we loose numbers because some of our players have become complacent and refuse to rise to the challenge then perhaps we are not up to it. In contrast, if our regulars are able to adapt, evolve, and overcome then there is no reason we can’t be competitive in T6. I’ve been part of countless battles in T6 against superior numbers where we’ve held our own because we worked together as a team and win or loose we’ve held ground for far longer than pure numbers would suggest. Just because we are not steam rolling the competition everyday doesn’t mean that we are not up to the challenge. It just means that we need to adapt to the changing environment.

Read the screenshot I’ve posted. Anyone with even the most remedial analytical aptitude can see that we are right where we need to be.

Are we “up to the challenge?”
I can only speak for myself when I say that I know I am.
Each one of us will have to decide if they are individually “up to the challenge.”
Whether we were collectively “up to the challenge” can only be determined in hindsight.

~G27

You be taking my words out of context guildie!!!!

As in the score would indicate we were not up to the challenge : as in : we should not look at the score : as in the score means nothing : wtf am I doing with these colons….

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

(jk, truth is some pro SF players called me a newbie in map chat and I emoquit, amiryte Savannah?)

Dem pros aint got no time for us newbies bro, they just report and move on to that next PVDoor wipe.

DisplayName.7802:

No lie, this tier is a lot of fun. But some people have too much fun and some people are getting burned out. Me included lol. Its nice to be 2nd place or 3rd place, im setting in cruise control mode while we get more of our PvErs to join WvW.

I just thought you ran out of Dolyak tonics.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Yeah, for the most part I agree as well, I just didn’t want to write anything off of the table yet.

Just don’t talk about Mesmer’s and it is all good apparently…But I digress lol…

We really could use some help in this time slot in all seriousness, some of our server’s better players also play at these times, so please do not think that we have no one on at all. We are just looking for better coverage.

Manoa.5897:

King Amadaeus.8619:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

The meta and server memes in this thread are almost making me gag, but to outsiders they have no idea!

Come join our exclusive club.

As far as offering to pay to move guilds over, that’s something we’d really have to think over. I’m personally not a fan of it, especially because it can cause rather heated drama, as if the migrated guild owes something to the server. Worth talking about though.

I would rather be relegated back to T8 before I paid mercs….Just my two cents, which is not worth much these days….So with that in mind paying is prob the way to go.

Agreed. It’s one thing to help out a handful of people who want to make the move, but can’t afford it. And that’s something worth considering if such a situation ever actually arises. But the idea of buying whole mercenary guilds thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There’s so many ways for that to go wrong and leave our server high-and-dry. Not to mention I’d prefer people transferring here because they truly want to be a part of the SF community, not because they were paid to be here.

^That.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

The meta and server memes in this thread are almost making me gag, but to outsiders they have no idea!

Come join our exclusive club.

As far as offering to pay to move guilds over, that’s something we’d really have to think over. I’m personally not a fan of it, especially because it can cause rather heated drama, as if the migrated guild owes something to the server. Worth talking about though.

I would rather be relegated back to T8 before I paid mercs….Just my two cents, which is not worth much these days….So with that in mind paying is prob the way to go.

Man I think the OP is pretty kitten spot-on with every single thing he posted. Well done sir/madam. If ANET did address even 1/2 of these items the game would be awesome.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

The famous oceanic IoJ zerg doing what they do best, PvDooring empty keeps. Anywayssss good fights tonight IoJ and DH, i appreciated all of em

Oh my thats quite a zerg we have there, is that even 10 people? Zergs pop orange swords on the map bub, thats barely a large group.

It is what the oceanic crew do best as its the ONLY thing the oceanic crew can do at the moment, its not our fault your servers lack coverage in our stronger times…

The more your server brings up PvDooring, the harder we’ll hit <3

Before you get too offended I feel as though it should be pointed out that he was surely being ironic….

PhaNTaSiZe.4215:

There’s been a fair amount of whining in our (SF’s) map chats about how we’re losing and we’re “not up to the challenge”… For one, I think that kind of defeatist talking needs to stop. And 2, BOO HOO! We stomped kids in T8 for like 4 months straight, we rolled through T7 with 3 straight wins, and now we’re actually not rolling over ppl effortlessly and our ppl start to whine? It’s WEEK ONE of this matchup… calm down! We’re not used to a challenge so we need to adapt.

Personally, this has been one of the most fun weeks of WvW that I’ve played in a while, simply because of the challenge. I don’t get too involved with the politics of our server’s big guilds, but as I understand it some of those big guilds had some sort of disagreement or something, resulting in one of our best guilds effectively “sitting out” this week. I’m not sure whether or not that has anything do with our losing this week, but regardless I think our server needs to get past all the whining and drama and get back to being the focused, united team that we were the last few months in our rise from the depths of mediocrity.

Whatever the outcome is this week, I’m glad we’re in this tier now and I think we’ve found a good challenge. Whether or not we can rise to that challenge lies with us as a united server, so we’ll see what happens in the days and weeks to come…

Good luck to the other 2 servers, and long live Sorrow’s Furnace!

The score would indicate that we are not up for the challenge, but this doesn’t mean that it is the end of the world. Nor is it defeatist talk to recognize we have an uphill battle. Not directing anything at you personally, just stating that people need to realize that several of us have been screaming for 2+ months that this day would come. It is now painfully obvious that some people must have thought we were T1 or bust, when in reality most of us knew that we would settle at a mid-level tier. Which is great! Because then we would have a close match, just like we got now for all intents and purposes.

But you are right, we need to stop worrying about whose feelings got hurt and why, stop worrying about “why” (finals, new content, protesting, etc) we aren’t winning, stop blaming each other, and get back to the old SF attitude.

To the people that are taking time off:

Hopefully everything is fine and you are just dealing with RL issues (school/work/family/etc), but if you feel you have been wronged or if you are just mad at a group of people, do not let that hurt the server. We are (whether you all like it or not) a tight-nit family. I know it is not fun to feel like you are being stabbed in the back (trust me our own people got me an unwarranted “free name change” last night), but those are really just the minority, the majority of us are there every day right along side each other trying.

While I do not think our struggles are tied to one set/guild of people taking some time off, I do think that things like this tend to create a domino effect. That coupled with new content, school finals, losing whatever bandwagon folks we had while leading every week; those things do add up and take their toll.

Sword is right though, it is time to put all the petty stuff aside, and work together. Stop the raging in Map Chat when things are not going our way, stop trolling each other, stop the blame game, listen to the people that are moving in the right direction, and most of all do not get discouraged….I promise you, we will not lose anything by not winning this week, or any other week. You get nothing for winning, and you lose nothing for losing, but we can get better and that is what we should be working towards.

Also, like Sword said, this week has been a blast. I am having a lot of fun, sure it is frustrating at times because we feel outnumbered, but we never let that bother us when we outnumbered others. This is a great matchup for us, and appears to be for the other two servers, we should enjoy this while it lasts, and work as hard as we can to improve as a group.

Rogue Lemming.6358:

I can understand that a sea of “Sorrows Furnace Invaders” might look like a mindless zerg but to us its John and Steve, Frank, Liz, Becky, and Allen.

And Bob (I am Bob.)

EnemyCrusher.7324:

King Amadaeus.8619:

naphack.9346:

What’s up, SF? Only such a small lead?

It is a pretty tight match really, and we do not have any nighttime folks, well we do just not in the numbers that we are reportedly going up against at night.

Hang in there guys and keep grinding, we will get it sorted.

What? We have a bunch of nighttime people, that’s usually when we shine.

I would point you to the thread created to recruit oceanic timezone players, as this has been a known coverage gap for SF for a very long time. “Nighttime” was perhaps a poor choice of words: basically we have poor coverage during the NA Midnight-ish to 6AM, and then most of the work/school day as we have found out.

While this might not seem like a “gap” up til this point, DH and IoJ focus has proven it to be an issue. Also if you are still wondering if this is indeed true, I would point you back to our T8 days and the infamous “kangaroo cappers” from ET that enjoyed the run of the joint during these same “oceanic hours”.

I like this matchup, appreciate the nice people we are up against for the most part, and we are finally getting the reality check that a lot of us were on record as saying was coming. And I do not mean that in a negative way in any form or fashion. We have been breaking in some new people and new commanders over the last month or so. Also I would suggest, again, that we get some things going over on the BLs. I know we have done great in our BL, and decent in EB, but we really have to be more offensive-minded in the other two BLs to be successful I think.

Like I said before, if we just focus on 2 of 4 maps then we allow our matchup partners to do the same, and then it just becomes a war of attrition. It would be a better use of our “infamous numbers” to spread them out a bit more and have some commanders running BLs, during primetime at the least to force our fellow T6 servers to spread out as well.

Like I said before we are all guilty of logging into EB for the instant action and the large-scale fights, but if we do want to remain competitive we will need a presence on all 4 maps.

It just goes to show you, if you kitten and moan enough you will get your way with ANET…They have always been this way: squeaky wheel always gets the grease….And it is funny too because we all know many of those whining about confusion were thieves in the first place….

Someone said it best in another post on another thread: Mesmers are (were, maybe still are) the natural predators of thieves, and confusion was a nice deterrent to make them play their class and not just spam 2 ftw….The good news is that we will still kill them, it will just take twice as long.

Personally I am hoping it ends up being a good thing in the terms that some noobs will now see confusion as “nothing to worry about”, so when I drop 6 clones on them all at once they can try to DPS through confusion and we will see how that works out…I run a shatter/confusion combination, and it still works fine in sPVP so I am not that worried. However this does seem to hurt the viability of the glamour mesmer, I do not run it enough to say that for sure though, but in the past I never really thought it was that OP in the first place, but was fun to run in a zerg group.

hyjaxxx.1584:

well, i can understand SF’s frustration. when you get teamed up with people who wont shut the efff up. it can be mind blowingly kitten ..

I would also say that Sorrows has had a harder journey then all the other servers…being stuck in t8 for months at a time and kicking in the competition week after week…im amazed they have SO many people… which leads me to believe that SF is a great server and people want to stay there.

not sure if this addressed the issue like i was hoping..but hey, lets give SF some slack.

I think the biggest misconception about SF is that we are a bunch of noobs that are pricks who use superior numbers to their advantage to win on the the scoreboard.

When in reality, we are likley the same as most servers, we have some nice folks, funny folks, competitive people, casuals, etc…..The kind words are appreciated though, as most people we come across could care-less about the issues we have faced. In T7 it was constant: “you won’t belong here”, even before we got there. When we did arrive it was: “you only win because…”, some even claiming that losing by 100k wasn’t getting “rolled” by us….

At the end of the day, we wanted out of T8 because it was ruining 3 servers entire game experience as most of those people it affected only played WvW. We have worked so hard at “moving up”, that sometimes I worry that we forgot that we only wanted to move up to a competitive matchup. Well I think we have arrived at that. So for all the people saying “you won’t make it out of this tier..etc”, we shouldn’t even be trying to leave. Again we have fought so hard to move up, that people think we are trying to get to T1, but that is just not the case. We just want to find a nice tier that competes with us, without whining about our numbers, without complaining about our playstyle, and so on.

Well for now at least, I think we have found that place. Make no mistake about it, we plan on winning this tier, but as for moving up: we would rather have a fun matchup. Eventually every server that makes these runs up the tiers seems to either flame out and drop like a rock once they begin to lose (fairweather players), or they find a tier that suits them.

SF will be fine, oceanic coverage would be awesome but truth be told we will have to evolve a bit at this tier. We have sat back and cruised for so long, and if we logged into a map that wasn’t our color? That was a simple fix, just amass zerg and color it how we liked….We are the new kids on the block in this tier, and people from other tiers read matchup threads….

Plain and simple, NSP/GoM/HoD and many others in higher tiers did a lot of talking (trash mostly) about SF being a tier 8 server….Well we came up to tier 7 (yes we know through ratings adjustment), and pretty much cruised through with many familiar faces taking some time off from WvW/GW2 in general.

Well now we are in T6, and a couple of things are happening…No longer are we “little T8”, we are looked at as a force to be reckoned with. We are the “new kids on the T6 block”, so we are getting some attention from both sides which is understandable. We are (to my knowledge) leading this matchup, which puts a target on us. And finally, with every tier we move up, we theoretically move closer to servers with populations/coverage (or lack thereof) similar to ours.

I believe it is a combination of these things….But anyone who has spent their fair share of time in WvW knows 1 thing always holds true in a 3-way matchup: The weakest link will be found, and the other two servers will fight to control said weakest links caps in an effort to increase the PPT. Right now SF is taking on both servers (not fully, and not at all times, but enough to justify the statement), and still holding our water….That leads me to believe that we are not the weak link of this tier.

One thing I would like to say to my fellow SFers, something I have been guilty of in the past, and I am seeing it way too much now: EB is not the only map! I know it is nice to login to EB and BOOM instant action….But we will not win, nor move past this tier with everyone piling into EB and completely avoiding everything else.

That said, we have done a great job in our own BL, and in EB for the most part. But I ran around IoJ for a while, and even DH for a while, and they do not have the people to cover, this I can promise you. We are allowing them to sit in EB with nearly everything they got, as they are getting no pressure in their own BL, and able to press us in ours with organized groups/people that are in EB queues.

Ask yourself this: Why is it when a server makes a big run on EB that all of the sudden the BLs maps start to change? 1. It is because people flow away from resistance, so they go to BLs for something easier to cap. 2. It is because they are trying to pull your forces out of EB to have to go and defend in a BL.

So the longer we all sit in EB, or EB queue they will control their BL, and fight us with superior numbers in EB.

/justmy2cents & sorry for the text wallage.

At this point I think a lot of our problem comes from two things, there are always more variables but I think these two are at the core of the issue:

1. Like it or not, this game was built around culling being in play, once it was removed it loaded down the resources significantly. Many say there was server lag before the removal and that is fine, but I would think that it has gotten worse with the added strain of removing culling.
2. Overall map design (predominantly on EB). If you have resource issues when large groups of players get in tight areas, then placing the “jewel of WvW” (SM), in the center of a map, with a relatively tiny enclosed area to fight in (lord room), is probably not the way to go. SM defenses that end up in the Lord Room, during heavy sieges will almost always guarantee skill lag.

But again, there is not much you can do to change either, culling was terrible, and the design of the game regarding SM will not likely change (nor should it really). Being able to siege up the lord room is one of the defensive benefits, and given that it is a small area that is only accessible through choke points is no mistake.

At the very least I would like to be able to complete a finisher before another player can rez someone downed.

I like the idea of downed state, but I do not like the mechanics when I am heading to SM and some roamers try to jump me, I down 1 of them, and then its rezrace time for them. I get the whole “if you are outnumbered you should be at a disadvantage argument”, but really that should apply more to the realm of personal skill, rather than a game mechanic.

If they do not implement/like the “out of combat” solution, (and I would not personally, because breaking combat is ridiculously hard at moments when it should not be); possibly speeding up the finish would be better IMO, than slowing down the rez speed. Plus there are mechanics/traits in place I believe to rez faster anyway. At the very least, I would like to be able to get off a finisher faster than 1(one) player can rez another player.

naphack.9346:

What’s up, SF? Only such a small lead?

It is a pretty tight match really, and we do not have any nighttime folks, well we do just not in the numbers that we are reportedly going up against at night.

Hang in there guys and keep grinding, we will get it sorted.

hyjaxxx.1584:

lol yeah. our grim mesmer squad is famous for causing large amounts of people to face roll their keyboards as they fall from cliffs and ledges across the borderlands. So im sure they were quite glad to get ya down.

If i may ask. what is the over all consensus of darkhaven from your server? came to any conclusions yet?

Lots of folks, that is for sure, you also seem to have some good overnight coverage. Can’t really say yet until we see how the week goes. It has been fun other than the skill lag we get at every SM fight just about (lords room).

hyjaxxx.1584:

heya king, yeah some of our people do that /laugh stuff. I dont really find it acceptable unless the person is being a wang holster..but im sure they diddnt mean any disrespect by it .

Thus far I can say that dark haven really loves having you around. and without the nasty messages that we would get from a certain server. hehe

Haha, yeah it don’t bother me, I was giving one of your up-leveled Mesmers a hard time about it this morning, but all in fun.

I think they were doing it to celebrate finally getting me, after about 5-6 showed up…I was pulling the trebber down from the WC ledge, so they were kinda kitten y probably.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Dear DH,

Why you gotta send 1/3 of your map after me at WC? I am just having some Mesmer Focus fun with your trebbers.

Signed,

That irritating Mesmer, whom when you kill you pull every emote out that you know.

PS: I didn’t have the heart to PM you guys, I was having so much fun getting /laughed at, but you might should’ve built that treb 10ft closer…..

Dear DH,

Why you gotta send 1/3 of your map after me at WC? I am just having some Mesmer Focus fun with your trebbers.

Signed,

That irritating Mesmer, whom when you kill you pull every emote out that you know.

Uthanak.5729:

King Amadaeus.8619:

airstu.2579:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Awww cute, I was wondering when some trolling rager madness would strike as it has been uncharacteristically civil for a match thread. Should’ve pegged you guys would’ve missed us enough to pop in <333.

Miss? No. We just know we will see you again. Just awaiting when the return journey will begin. I’m betting on a DR repeat as you have nowhere near the numbers or skills of Kain (who have now just started their return journey)

Rub some creme on that kitten? for meh?

How ostentatious do you have to be to call yourself King Amadaeus?

Stop bringing 10 buck words into a 2 buck thread…

Rogue Lemming.6358:

Hoguti.9571:

Hey, I just wanted to give a shout out to IoJ. The guys in EBG who took back their keep… Great job you guys, it was a heck of a fight. I could not have been easy to hack and one shot the T3 doors and one shot all of our siege with an elementalist. The battle raged on for about 35 seconds on a T3 keep before they finally broke into the Lord’s room, from start to finish. BRAVO ZULU.

Let’s set the record strait.
I’m from SM and I was there.

IoJ was trebing our walls for over an hour and we were so cap happy that we didn’t pay attention to maintaining what we already had.
The inner wall AND gate had already been downed and I was running supply from SM to try and get them back up. I had placed enough supply to repair the gate and wall just enough to patch the walkway so, I could reach our treb (to counter-treb) and place some other siege to help when IoJ inevitably broke through.
Yes, IoJ took it with one shot because it had long since been down to rubble and was only up 1 or 2 supply counts.
It would have fallen to a nice stout Dolyack fart!

We lost the Keep fair and square. IoJ capitalized on our mistakes (as they should have) and won the the battle.

Congratulations and good job!

While friendly smack talk IS part of the game, accusing people of hacking makes us look petty and juvenile. I hope that IoJ will see past this misguided accusation as the act of an individual and not let it reflect on Sorrows Furnace as a whole.

Finally, thank you for the warm welcome to T6! I’m looking forward to some great battles and to being forced to step up our game so we can learn and grow as a team.

Good luck to all and I’ll see you on the battle field.

~G27

Well said!

Obtuse.1504:

I’m glad for SF.

While winning is always nice, I imagine they will be happy when they reach a tier that has similar coverage and numbers. They’ll be able to test their skill better, and they do have it it’s not all about their #s, and see how they measure up.

The only thing I get tired of seeing is some of the folks from ET and FC clinging to the coattails of SF. Y’all are on your second new server since SF left. Earn your glory in your tier quit trying to ride SF’s glory as they earn their way up..

We will have a bond with ET/FC for a very long time…We came to a place of mutual respect, after a long bitter feud. Not to be over-dramatic, but it is something that only people who were in the glicko-ghetto’d T8 would ever really understand.

airstu.2579:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Awww cute, I was wondering when some trolling rager madness would strike as it has been uncharacteristically civil for a match thread. Should’ve pegged you guys would’ve missed us enough to pop in <333.

Miss? No. We just know we will see you again. Just awaiting when the return journey will begin. I’m betting on a DR repeat as you have nowhere near the numbers or skills of Kain (who have now just started their return journey)

Rub some creme on that kitten? for meh?

Detharos.3157:

Nice to see you doing well, big bro Sheen/SF. Remember all that “SF will get dominated the moment it moves up to tier 7” trash talk that was flying from just about every server outside of tier 8?

Yeah, what can I say? “WINNING! WIN HERE, WIN THERE, WIN, WIN! EVERYWHERE!”

And for the person using the tier 4 wall to trash talk, that’s not going to work. SF as a server has only ever wanted to end up in a tier where they have an approximately even match, they’re not looking to be the next Kaineng or Jade Quarry. Odds are they will find a good match in tier 5 if not in tier 6. I would get off that if I were you, it’s not gonna work.

Sorrow’s Furnace will just keep doing its thing like it always has.

Preciate the kind words lil bro, and do not let HoD fool y’all…They wouldn’t bust a grape, if you punch them in the mouth they will go SAB….We were lucky if we saw 3 of them in EB by the last week.

That being said; win, lose, or draw you guys finally seem to have some great matches down there glad things are balancing out for everyone. Keep up the good fight and have fun above all.

Great first night with some fun fights, I will not say this is the hardest I have seen SF fight, (we worked pretty hard those nights we capped everything in all 4 maps back in T8) but we are back into fighting shape tonight no doubt.

Big brother would like to request a recent score update, GL T8 bros.

Thanks for the welcomes, we are here to have fun, GL this week, we look forward to the match!

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Fun duels earlier XOXO in HoD BL, my hand has arthritis now…

Lawl, that’s pretty much what happened last night. I was kinda hoping to stick around one more week for some rematches, but owell. By the time I get home tonight it’ll be too late.

yeah we still own EB and theyre working on HoD BL (about 3/4) so looks like we will get every point reasonable at this stage…I wanted to stay one more week as well but oh well. When you spend such a long time in one tier, you kinda do not wanna rush after that I guess.

Fun duels earlier XOXO in HoD BL, my hand has arthritis now…

airstu.2579:

So when does SF annex HoD’s BL to draw close to +500 ppt, take advantage of their tactical withdrawal from WvW. We know you can do it. Go get that 11 points.

We decided we are staying at least 2 more weeks.

dank.3680:

King Amadaeus.8619:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

lunyboy.8672:

My apologies, I was translating my intent into something a forum regular would understand, as I don’t speak Brah, and wanted to convey my point as succinctly as possible.

I hope the influx of eager female groupies in the wake of your astounding move to T6 is everything you hope it to be. In the mean time, continue your attempts to elicit incendiary reactions with your hyperbole.

It’s positively adorable.

You seem kind of mad. You realize he wasn’t trolling, as much as just joking around right? Even with his secondary response, yet your responses act as if he’s declared some hostile intent. Methinks your subconscious is bleeding outside.

We’re here to have fun sir, and we are (relatively) having fun in t7. We’ll move up to t6 when it’s happens. Until then, try not to get bummed, we don’t hate you.

Seriously though, elitism is oldhat.

That is the great things about T7 forums Vox they are pretty predictable…

Post something talking real smack: elicits mad response, insults
Post something talking fake smack, just in good fun: elicits mad response, insults
Post something with what you believe to be fact: elicits mad response, insults
Post something that is fact: elicits mad response, insults
Post an opinion: elicits mad response, insults
Post a score update (as either winning team or winning PPT): elicits mad response, insults
Post any type of screen or video: elicits mad response, insults, critique of play/method/build/execution (how one activates skills), and whether or not the surrounding dots/players qualifies as being: solo/roaming/zerging
And finally….Post something that is so ridiculous it would have to be taken as a joke to anyone no matter the severity of kitten they thought they had suffered: elicits mad response, insults
Post another followup, blatantly ignorant thinking maybe they will understand no one is this dense: Get reported, elicits mad response, insults

Reported for spam, this post offends me, and you should learn to use periods.

Yeah I enjoy reading them too, you guys are all good in the hood to me….My favorites are those that get mad at me thinking I am getting mad at them….SF really is full of a bunch of good ole folks that have a good time, although we do get sandy kitten over the: “numbers” talk…only because we have heard it so very much….

PS: I used a lot of periods this time, some might even be considered Ellipsis, but likely not by anyone with a brain.

PSS: hope to see some of the XOXO peeps out and about tonight, been having fun fighting you guys in EB lately.

styx.7294:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

styx.7294:

Maybe you’re just bad at posting.

Lol, we are good at nothing. Zombie horde for life. All you haters can give us your brainz.

I don’t mean everyone, I feel this may just be somethin King struggles with personally =)

That the band Styx or the river?

Anyhow, there is not much I struggle with, other than the fact on why people in another Tier come here and post trollish things, to add to the trollish things of which we already have plenty….

Disclaimer: read before you fire off your anticipated response, yes I post in the T8 thread, no I do not troll there, hence the difference. Good day to you (obviously bum bum hurt, T8 poster).

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

lunyboy.8672:

My apologies, I was translating my intent into something a forum regular would understand, as I don’t speak Brah, and wanted to convey my point as succinctly as possible.

I hope the influx of eager female groupies in the wake of your astounding move to T6 is everything you hope it to be. In the mean time, continue your attempts to elicit incendiary reactions with your hyperbole.

It’s positively adorable.

You seem kind of mad. You realize he wasn’t trolling, as much as just joking around right? Even with his secondary response, yet your responses act as if he’s declared some hostile intent. Methinks your subconscious is bleeding outside.

We’re here to have fun sir, and we are (relatively) having fun in t7. We’ll move up to t6 when it’s happens. Until then, try not to get bummed, we don’t hate you.

Seriously though, elitism is oldhat.

That is the great things about T7 forums Vox they are pretty predictable…

Post something talking real smack: elicits mad response, insults
Post something talking fake smack, just in good fun: elicits mad response, insults
Post something with what you believe to be fact: elicits mad response, insults
Post something that is fact: elicits mad response, insults
Post an opinion: elicits mad response, insults
Post a score update (as either winning team or winning PPT): elicits mad response, insults
Post any type of screen or video: elicits mad response, insults, critique of play/method/build/execution (how one activates skills), and whether or not the surrounding dots/players qualifies as being: solo/roaming/zerging
And finally….Post something that is so ridiculous it would have to be taken as a joke to anyone no matter the severity of kitten they thought they had suffered: elicits mad response, insults
Post another followup, blatantly ignorant thinking maybe they will understand no one is this dense: Get reported, elicits mad response, insults

lunyboy.8672:

King Amadaeus.8619:

PS: it would seem that you guys have more than your fair share of ladies (maybe more so on NSP), to that SF would like to extend an invitation for them to: “drop the zeros and get with the heros”, the rocket ship is boarding soon ladies, don’t miss the flight to T6.

This is trolling… right?

TIL – Moving up to T6 will get you girls.

ITT Srsbns.

Your use of acronyms/abbreviations must be the route you have chosen to get the ladies….

Jscull.2514:

This really is such an easy fix, but most of you will disagree because 95% of you I bet use this system to your advantage. But when downed, only out of combats can res anyone. Otherwise they have to res by them self. And if that means NO one can res the person downed because they are in the middle of the crap, then tough. That’s the point. Shouldn’t have to kill targets twice.

That would work for me, like you said wont have to kill twice, and then once the battle was over the winning side could rez their people etc…

Niim.9260:

If they encouraged people to reduce the zerg sizes to 30-40 instead of 70+ it would be a quick fix to a lot of these situations. Obviously not around SMC or when bunches of zergballs come together, but most of the time just splitting up the forces would solve the problem.

No doubt it would, but….The servers should be able to hold the maximum number of allowable players on the map all fighting in the same spot at the same time…That should be the benchmark on what they used to determine the “queue” numbers…My fear is that number was so low that it gave us the current “free for all – enjoy the lag” issues we have now.

VOLKON.1290:

King Amadaeus.8619:

VOLKON.1290:

every time a loot bag gets deposited in your inventory you hear a cash register “cha-ching” sound.

Chaching 4 more spikes >.<

No, chaching for bags. You open the bags later to get your spikes and precursors. My idea is for stackable “loot bag”s to show up in the inventory, not the items within.

Yep I understood it, was making the joke that 90% of said “cha-ching” bags as you opened them would be meh spikes / junk lol..

VOLKON.1290:

every time a loot bag gets deposited in your inventory you hear a cash register “cha-ching” sound.

Chaching 4 more spikes >.<

I would be willing to bet that people started to figure out the same thing that SF did in terms of the zergball, hence the need to run off back to the places the zergball must still work/be the primary method of battle…..

The way VK ran it the first night they came to T8 to me was the only way it could have been 100% effective for any time, which was posted up in a tower uses the stairs as a choke point and in turn dictating when the fight would start.

For all of their “we thrive in open field combat” (and those guys were nice on the forums, so don’t take this as a major insult), their style did not work in the open field unless we were majorly pugged out. Anytime we had some veteran players with the right builds we just gave them the ole SF approved Ring of Death. (anyone from SF that was at golanta that night at reset that we dropped 3 groups right after another knows exactly what I am talking about lol…)

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Sureshot.6725:

Jscull.2514:

Nothing like dropping 6-7 and having a mosquito rally all of them. Gotta love that…….

This the only major gripe I have with downed state mechanics.

Reviving/Rallying off one shot on an ambient creature is the biggest joke of a mechanic I have ever seen in any MMO. How it is still in the game is beyond me.

Ambient creatures don’t rally, IIRC; at least I never have been able to. I’m pretty sure the mosquito’s are not ambient.

That’s right, only creatures that give xp can rally you. Do not think this includes “siege” (as it gives XP) but have never tried lol….At the point I realize that there is no stopping me from going down I am already looking for a “yellow” to tag or another downed player not receiving help. Cannot tell you how many times on my mesmer I have loaded up my target on confusion, then switched to my “rally target”, rallied, and then even downed the first target that I loaded with confusion…It is kinda cheesy, but I only learned it early on after people did it to me over and over….

Nothing is as sweet though as those random rallys, the ones you don’t even expect lol.

OOOooooOOOO shots fired already this morning I see, gonna grab some food and enjoy my day reading now, one thing T7 has is interesting forums lol.

Best commanders are the ones that remember to turn their tags off when AFK/sitting on a treb all night in SM…

I thought of this thread last night, after an epic battle with NSP, I must have tagged a ton of players before I died…My run back from SM took nearly 5 minutes as I had to stop and go back for bags that would randomly appear (as they died)….Kind of a silly thing to gripe about I know, but in another reality its kinda even sillier that we have to do it….

I am still LOLing at the people even remotely saying that it is client side…ANET has even come out on these forums if I remember correctly and said: “hey its not you, its us”, luckily they didn’t break up with us afterward….

This has been confirmed by ANET, proven by logic from posters, yet still people continue to throw the old: upgrade ur PC….

Sometimes it has nothing to do with rendering/loading etc…Which even further points to a server side issue. I said this in another post, but I have personally gotten skill lag on reset night, and instantly knew that a an enemy zerg was near. They were actually on the other side of a mountain from me where I couldn’t even see their tags. So here I am, alone, capping frogs, and got 1+second skill lag and some skills won’t activate at all. And it is all because there are 100 people near me that aren’t even supposed to register on my (client) side of the game. That is a server issue folks, let ANET take the blame when they admit to it, carrying the banner for them all day surely is bad on your back.

Accusing everyone of running a Gateway computer with XP on it, and integrated graphics, will not motivate any kind of productive effort to enforce a change….All it does is provide faulty information, and possibly cause people to spend money on something they do not necessarily need.

Alchemist.3692:

lordkrall.7241:

Yoke.4671:

FPS does not = lag let alone skill-lag.
really wish people could comprehend that, its only said 10 times a day on the forums.

The WvW lag is Server side and not client side, Please try know what your talking about before giving people dreadful uneducated advice.

And this server side lag would effect EVERYONE, but when it happens with 10 people for him but not happen for 25 people for me it is quite clearly NOT server lag.

That’s not necessarily true. The way transfer of data works is like a bottleneck. Think of being on the highway and getting off on a busy exit ramp… you being at the very back will notice traffic and it will take you a lot longer than the first person to get off the highway and on the same ramp. In perspective the first few people will not notice any traffic or slowdowns… but as the line gets bigger the delays get longer, and then your road rage kicks in about how your taxes are wasted and there isn’t a single competent city planner in state/province you live in. Would it be fair for the city planner to say "your beater ’89 civic is the cause of your traffic problems, because my Ferrari at 6am got off that ramp just fine and so did the cars behind me "?

Why is it a bottleneck for servers? Because TX/RX is handled by the NIC which is essentially a one lane road that the internet highway loads off to. The way to solve this in the most basic, simplest terms is with load balancing… but it’s a lot easier said than done. Network techs have a nightmare with these things. There’s never a consistent load amount so it’s hard to say how many additionally hardware/or even software is required to manage at peak demand which on any given day varies.

This is basic level networking theory. So just because it works for you doesn’t mean it works for everyone.

Oh. and that also doesn’t mean those 25 ppl on your screen aren’t experiencing lag. I’ve had it happen in 1v1s so either go on wikipedia and read or please stop giving out your “expertise”

+1, one of the better posts I have ever seen on these forums…And what you said makes perfect sense…And to Krall (whose reputation of defending ANET at all costs borders on the bizarre), while we lower tier folks do not see the amount of queues/skill lag that higher tiers probably are accustomed to. We have seen enough to know that it is a server side issue. We have been able to locate zergs without even seeing them on the map just by running around and “testing for skill lag”. I myself have been able to say something like “got 1 sec skill lag at frogs, _ zerg near”, and have them come around the corner from Dane 10 seconds later.

Downed state is utter nonsense in WvW….As a mesmer I have often played well out of my range because I know I have tagged an NPC/previously downed player and can easily finish them off if I am downed.

On the other side of the coin, it is nonsense that I am fighting lets say 4-5 people (couple of them upscaled) well I down one fairly quick, I go for the finish: every CC skill in the world is used against me, or instantly 10 circles of AoE dmg…..Now I get that the enemies are protecting their player, but it makes for an uninteresting advantage when I can constantly down even 2 of 5 players at once, and then you got other just picking them back up constantly.

I don’t mind them rezing allies once finished, but it does get silly during mid-fight in a downed state. Don’t get me wrong, I spike plenty of players, usually by dropping AoE’s of my own+mass confusion, but downed state on both sides is “meh” in WvW.