Guild Wars 2

urieldhynne.2743:

King Amadaeus.8619:

ANET is at fault, true enough. But the playerbase in this game is terrible. Mainly because we all talk about the game’s potential, and we all acknowledge after 2 years nothing has been done of significance from the developmental side (culling might count but Bloodlust doesnt). Yet we the players, have done nothing to make things better. Instead we still stack stupid off-peaks on certain servers, still have people tryharding PPT, still have massive transfers and server implosions, etc.

ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.

The biggest problem right now, is that the game cannot sustain 24 servers or rather the population can’t. The people on the bottom think that the top should “destack”, and that was true 1.5 years ago…. But now the top is only mass-populated at the VERY top (NA 1-4).

This game could be fun again if the bottom 8 servers decided to mass xfer up into the top 16. Beyond that by this time next year likely the only servers with any population will probably be 1-6. (NA)

Excuse me? Players do nothing? What do you think the player should do?

Players start stacking because that awful server system, after a lot of time playing in dead server getting destroyed week after week, OF COURSE ppl will going to transfer.

-Players try to duel. In a non-official way. Get bored because no support.
-Players try to GvG. In a non-official way. Get bored because no support.
-Players try to “BY FORCE” play the game like anet wants. Get bored because Anet never fix their own mode.
-Players collaborated A LOT in CDI, for what? 9 months later a color change?
-Player report a LOT of bug… Still stucked after build a ram, and ressing trough watergate.
-Players tried to play PPT, and tournaments. Get bored coz coverage issues, PvE farmers. And well, you know? Was anet who made that kittened achievements for PvE Achievement hunters and free transfer BEST IDEA EVER.

-Players do Karma train because Anet design the game for it.
-Players stack because Anet design the game for it.

The transfer right now is not to another server, the players are transferring out of this game.

ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.

Yeah I think that people who play on NA prime (PST even more so) think that things are “ok”.

If you play later or worse: earlier, it is a ghosttown even on T2, except for a few karma trains here and there.

It really is a shame that each change to this game gimps smaller groups, and (inadvertently or not) buffs zerging.

ANET is at fault, true enough. But the playerbase in this game is terrible. Mainly because we all talk about the game’s potential, and we all acknowledge after 2 years nothing has been done of significance from the developmental side (culling might count but Bloodlust doesnt). Yet we the players, have done nothing to make things better. Instead we still stack stupid off-peaks on certain servers, still have people tryharding PPT, still have massive transfers and server implosions, etc.

ANET has given up (essentially on this game mode), but yet the majority of the players have not changed a single thing since day 1 and are still somehow dumbfounded that things are “stale”.

The biggest problem right now, is that the game cannot sustain 24 servers or rather the population can’t. The people on the bottom think that the top should “destack”, and that was true 1.5 years ago…. But now the top is only mass-populated at the VERY top (NA 1-4).

This game could be fun again if the bottom 8 servers decided to mass xfer up into the top 16. Beyond that by this time next year likely the only servers with any population will probably be 1-6. (NA)

Blix.8021:

People quit playing fort aspenwood because jade quarry gives better faction rewards. There was a time, long ago, where nobody played jade quarry at all. If you wanted to map the jade quarry for cartography completion, you had to get a group together for both teams to queue together so everyone could get inside and map complete. It was completely dead otherwise. Then at some point they buffed the rewards and people started playing jade quarry.

Yeah I was going to say that….FA used to be way more popular than JQ. After the death of Gw1 (awaiting Gw2) I used to spend all my time in FA, very fun.

I have no problems believing that a Diamond ranked guardian would run that build….Sorry.

It got replaced with Bloodlust friend.

A new Lord Krall emerges.

Don’t worry bro, Mags implosion will be YB’s gain. Many of us will be there soon to be sure we get in on Gold League baby!

Yb’s AC’s with Mags superior open field pugs will be a match made in heaven!

Mag’s open field contengincy will be on YB soon to help you with the Gold push!

No one is asking permission, prepare your AC placements, give us cover and stay out of our way!

#Maguuma’sBend

mango.9267:

Straegen.2938:

King Amadaeus.8619:

New “for the fights server” will be YB after the ninja xfers are finished, try to keep it on the downlow though. There is a movement to make YB the next Maguuma, while using their siegemonkeys to carry us with PPT.

This would have been an odd pairing but probably highly successful during peak hours. Without a solid OCX/SEA, won’t matter though.

Honestly, Mag and YB’s playstyles complement each other fairly well, and both servers have the same attitude when it comes to popular pugmanders staying up all night to PPT. Combined, they’d be a real threat.

It’s a shame no one can tolerate YB.

Maguumas Bend new open field gvg server paradise inc.

Speaking as someone who has played on T8-T1 (NA), the problem is about 30% numbers 70% organization with lower tiers.

And the 30% numbers is mainly due to the few servers down there that have OCX/Sea coverage that allows them to be blasted during much of the day but still win (or come close to it) due to most servers down there having nothing during OCX/Sea.

Ghostly Demise.5786:

BP bought out Mag’s top guilds, some went to TC and some to Archeage. The server never really did co-operate and I think Mag is going to replicate SoR’s downfall.

LOL….GG if you think WARBUS was Mag’s “best guilds”…

They were inconsequential guilds that ran from fights and tried to cap paper objectives….If people worth following tag up on Mag, Mag queues the map.

The reason why War/Bus left is because they play ppt and no one else really does outside of necessity. Right now there is no need to stay in T2 anymore.

Also losing SiX was more of a major blow than War/Bus combined…CTH even more so probably.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Yak’s Bend…Trust me.

No, that’s not true.

Yes it is, it has already been confirmed about 40-70 people from Maguuma are coming there, mainly the GvG non-ppt people.

Seeya in game friendz!

Yak’s Bend…Trust me.

New “for the fights server” will be YB after the ninja xfers are finished, try to keep it on the downlow though. There is a movement to make YB the next Maguuma, while using their siegemonkeys to carry us with PPT.

AmFah.5974:

how many guys made it yet? =D

thanks to everyone for joining in the good and in the bad times,

supporting me and bein on the battlefield!

im not getting any more wxp, the wxp bar is just full and it shows:

49,979,000 / 49,979,000 WvW Experience

Looking at your build, everything I have ever suspected from a ridiculously high ranked WvW player is confirmed. The EoTM ss, is just icing on the cake.

How to fix arrow carts: delete them.

A lot of guilds from T2 are moving to YB in the eleventh hour. Prepare your kitten YB, you are being boarded.

I heard everyone on NA servers are going YB. A lot of the T2 “for the fights” guilds are reforming there.

Get twinked.

Sometimes I think the problem with WvW is Anet’s fault, actually I thought that for a very long time….Then I see people still hung up on things like “server pride”, and I am reminded that the real problem with this game lies with it’s players.

YOU could make WvW or hell even certain servers a sandbox, but instead you want ANET to step in and force feed you some “balance”. They won’t do it, tbh this last year should be proof that if you want things to get better you will have to do it as a playerbase because ANET is basically done with wvw.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/38

Staleness is the biggest killer…Basically the same matchup for 6 months, swapping a DB for an FA here and there, even in leagues it was pretty stale.

Once the GvG’s started to die off, guilds from Mag started to die off a little. Meanwhile some of the more notable gvg guilds from FA/SoS left T2 or disbanded; Those two things sorta snowballed a bit and got the ball rolling for us to drop outta t2.

Mag is not really a ppt or a pugmander server(probably has the fewest tags running of any server I have been on) for the most part, so without the “carrot” of gvg’s there was really no reason to try and stay in T2.

Mag ppt’ed it’s kitten off twice to get into gold, knowing it would get stomped on the scoreboard but they wanted the fights/gvg’s. This time around there is no incentive to really go that route. I think Mag will end up either in T3 or bouncing between it and T4. Don’t be fooled, there are some people still here, but a lot are playing AA and the rest are not in tryhard mode at all.

Waiting on next game to come out.

@OP

Just because your server is the one “taking the loss” (of players/guilds) doesn’t mean it is bad. Pretty sure ANET shattered the server-loyalty mentality with Mega Servers in PVE.
Only some WvW folks still hang on to that mentality at this point.

TBH it is much better for guilds/people to be able to move around (bought or not), because it will give some breaks to the stagnate matchings. SoR falling, DR rising, those small changes bring variation to the game. And that is something it desperately needs, even in small amounts.

Sure it sucks that it happened to your server I guess, but the beauty of it is that you can move on as well and find a better place to play. People change jobs all the time, and this game is NOT A JOB, so why would you expect people (many of who are teenagers-young adults) to have some kind of code of honor? Play to have fun, no matter where that is.

@ OP, well done….

dedgame

Is WvW ever gonna be more than Zergs and PvD?

Nope.

Don’t get emotional over emotes.

EoTM is PVE with the possibility of PK, so to me it is good as it is. Play it how you like, personally I only use it to level alts.

-Turn off the scoreboard
-Get rid of PPT (same thing)
-Get rid of siege
-Make gates dmg taken scale with players attacking it
-Give no rewards for Ktraining undefended structures

Award points for (defended) structures taken and spikes only.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Do you think I do so because I’m too stupid to understand that it’s all going to be wasted in a few hours?

I stopped reading after that bit.

Also my response was in response to people that do BL defense and still come here whining about how it sucks. So in a way you proved my point which was stop doing something you think sucks.

I just didn’t choose to textwall about it.

In all seriousness (assuming you were not just having some fun with the vid), the problem would be timing. If you mistimed your initial “collapse” the first couple of unlucky people would eat all the AoE.

People (not saying you specifically) sometimes tend to forget where the ball up and crash mentality came from: the AoE cap.

Stop playing ppt, seriously cannot believe people still do defense.

Killshot warriors are alive and well in NA T2. They are great for dealing with pugmanders.

Nice screen shake.

Rally Mechanic is like you surmised one of the main factors that stop smaller group play. Downstate in general is the main issue. I know guilds that are good enough to go 8v20, however (even factoring out Warbanners) the ability for larger groups to power rez (down not ded-ded)will almost always tilt the fight into the favor of the larger group.

There are obviously some exceptions (IE: a really poor larger group) but in all honesty this game would be much more exciting/rewarding for smaller groups if the rally mechanic did not reward the zergs as much. Rewarding smaller group play is a way to break up the zergs, and a way to inject some new life in a stale game.

No to anything wanting to buff condis….

Inb4lock.

You can portal from Inner bay to outside the outer wall of worm gate.

Straegen.2938:

Based on my observations/conclusions each Season drives more players out of WvW. This could be simple attrition but the pre-Season numbers and post-Season numbers seem to indicate that seasons drives players out of WvW.

I think it is mainly because the player-base in this game has a really low “game IQ”. I thought for sure after the S1 debacle people would learn, but nope you still had tryhards PPTing all night long (at the expense of sleep). And those same people were still shocked and outraged when:

1. Coverage still decided matches.
2. The rewards for 9 weeks of leagues were about as good as you get from running a dungeon.

I just have to laugh when I see people say “taking a break after leagues”, I mean wtf did you do that requires a break??? I would be happy to see leagues scrapped, it really brings the worst people into WvW (fairweathering AP farmers) and beyond that brings out the worst in people already normally in WvW.

WvW is the end game, they never truly realized that…Instead they chose to keep believing that people killing trash mobs with different skins every 2 weeks was the “real end game”.

For a long time people said things like:
“WvW is going to die”
“something needs to change”
“this is not working”
“servers are dying”
etc

Those people were met with “everything is fine” and/or “why do people keep complaining”. All of those “complainers” warned those people that when the complaining stops, that is the time to really worry.

Well guess what?

Wait wait wait…You mean “winning” (ppt) is not incentive enough?! This would be a shock to all those people who have claimed that playing for ppt is the answer.

Throw all this garbage in the trash, make players actually play their toons….

Roaming is a playstyle more than a numbers count (although there are some limitations to group size, 15-20 shouldnt be considered roaming)….Some of you seem to forget that. If you solo roam, say you solo roam. Stop QQIng about getting ran over by a 4-5man group and claiming they are zerging. Small man/group roaming is still roaming, most of the people that complain about 3-5v1s are kitten poor gankers that are mad they didn’t get to cheese someone with their FOTM build.

I spend about 85% of my playtime solo roaming on T2, the rest is spent running with our guild that fields 4-10 players on a good day. We love to fight 2v5s, 4v10s, whatever. All of it is “roaming” (IE: running around looking for fights).

Yep people are xferring up to find fights. Unfortunately I think the ship has sailed for evening out all Tiers. The trend of players stacking up will only get worse as more and more people leave the game. Right now NA is 24 servers, and from playing on 6-7 of them I would say Gw2 only has the population to support 12-15 servers total. Even then the bottom ones would be fairly low pop at off peak times.

NA stay outta mag, go SoS…..

Lurock Turoth.9085:

Baguuma, always gotta talk trash about others…

So mad…

*Solo-roaming is dead….

Our guild runs 4-8 daily, and all we do is roam.

Roaming is style of play, sure it is 99% of the time done with minimal numbers but that is really because the majority of the player-base favors grouping up into karma training zergs.