Guild Wars 2

Lindbur.2537:

Just got a fractal shortbow from level 14

Mooore anecdotal evidence that droprates are broken ^^ hehe

IrisTheCasual.3742:

I have had one of the most fashion snappy Arah run today. Couldn’t really capture the whole group in action, I present you the latest from my ele.

#FashionIsAll, goodbye ascended chest piece and pants, see you all in the far future ;D

She looks like she’s going to flutter away.

Very nice looking, digging the new hair.

Lord Kuru.3685:

CDI – merge party button

^^ seconded

chemiclord.3978:

They made it pretty clear that high level Fractal players were not going to be compensated in any way, shape, or form, and that Arena.net was not going to be swayed on that score.

Anyone who hung around this long hoping for them to change their mind was fooling themselves. What really was left to be said other than, “Nope. Still haven’t changed our mind. Our answer is going to be the same no matter how many times you ask”?

Read the entire thread and then come back informed.

No one expected compensation this late in the game. We’ve said that about a million times in this thread. We were promised, by Chris, an open conversation about it. We were then shrugged off and lied to.

Godric.3012:

Braham Eirsson’s armor.

That’s a good one too.

Jake.1430:

Any Heavy armor that looks kinda light to wear?

Zodiac, maybe. Also for females, Phalanx is fairly light looking.

If you’re looking for simply revealing, for males it might be pit fighter or barbaric.

Here’s the link btw it’s not little wings http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_Balthazar_Carapace

Mazreal Blackknight.1564:

Ok I know we have a million back pieces. But can we get white and red (maybe black?) wings to go with our halo/ horns please?

The Balthazar back piece might be just the thing! Look up the code, I think it’s fabulous.

hannah mee.7925:

Teckos.1305:

hendo.1940:

, a decent group does not use its utility to survive but as a mean to increase the overall group dps.

That is precisely what you do in a trinity game.

Why does the tank hold aggro? To allow the DPS’ers to do their rotations. Why does the healer heal? To keep players up so they can keep up DPS and the tank can keep holding aggro.

It’s all to make DPS easier.

My mind is literally blown at seeing basically every single person below my post (I even provided two links of control being relevant) completely ignoring it by saying damage is the only thing that matters when I have demonstrated that is completely incorrect.

It’s completely mind blowing.

what have you demonstrated? CC would have a meaning by itself if i was for it was used to interrupt for example a party wiping attack from a boss, but in pretty much all case it is as anecdotic ad an aegis popped by a guardian again in a decent group, it just made use avoid losing dps by dodging, it is all to maintain the dps as high as possible.

He demonstrated that offensive support matters. So there is “support” in this game. However it comes nowhere near the support that is, I presume, what most people mean by support. Like doubling armor rating, shutdowns (like daze, but making it more useful), minion walls, etc. The game is DPS-oriented and DPS-support and that’s always going to alienate and isolate the clerics/monks of any game because they’re backline defense – their job is to keep the DPS alive, not improve it.

With the defensive side of this game as being nothing more than an improvised offense, ANet’s bound to drive away at least 1/3 of any target customers because people enjoy being the monk. People enjoy being monks. It’s what they like. It’s the reason they play MMOs. And that’s really all this will ever be, is the inability to play the way you like because the way you like isn’t actually in the game.

Those “1/3” of the customers can play a game where a monk is needed then. (I emphasize 1/3 in quotations because I highly doubt that 1/3 of the player base a. Wants there to be a trinity and b. Wants to be a healer on the sidelines, tagging zero mobs and getting zero loot.)

Ohoni.6057:

So basically ANet is just going to literally ignore the idea of making Fractals take less of a time investment? Sad.

… I don’t get it. The only thing making fractals too long is dredge ATM. They’re looking into that.

It was in the gem store last week or so. Sorry you missed it.

hendo.1940:

So Mad Queen is complaining because it isn’t necessary to take a certain class for dungeons (the point on inter-class interdependence) and that supposedly CC isn’t relevant.

Okay.

To put the CC argument completely to rest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfLHcyA9Cgc

Watch 6:20 through to 7:15 and 10:55 to 12:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBtFWy-ccTk

The whole video.

There are more examples I can dig up, but I think these two get the point across. If it isn’t clear to you on the COE golem, whenever he does the wind-up to spin around and knock everyone back, he gets interrupted every single time so the party can maintain DPS as it works through its defiant except at the end when they run out of interrupts.

Regarding classes.

If you want it to be necessary to take certain classes through content, you end up with “lf healer” and “lf tank” all over again. Nobody wants that. GW2 is good because specific classes aren’t required to beat content. You can do Fractal 49 with five warriors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqtvXsJU_lY). You don’t need guardians. Guardian makes it 1000x less painful, but they’re not even close to necessary.

You also claimed warriors and guardians dominate the PvE metagame, and if you’d literally spent two seconds looking up the meta, or even looking up youtube videos from rT, DnT, SC, Kr (etc.) you’d see they aren’t. For a meta comp, basically the only requirement is one warrior for banners. Beyond that, you try as close as you can to reach the utmost in DPS (triple ele, ranger and warrior) without compromising the efficiency of the group. So for Arah this may mean a single warrior, a ranger a mesmer and then double ele. It could just mean a warrior, ranger, mesmer, ele and a thief. That way you have dps utilities/traits covered (empower allies, banners, frost spirit, spotter), reflects covered, you have elementalists stacking fury with blasts on their fire fields which means a warrior doesn’t even need to use for great justice and then you have thief to stealth on skipping sections and they can pick up fiery greatswords since they have a damage modifier when using bundles. The thief and and mesmer also have further relevance against Lupicus since the three phantasms and two allies from thieves guild makes Lupicus fire more AoE projectiles on the party which allows for more reflections.

Engineers aren’t so good in meta comps but if you are pugging and the group isn’t very competent they’re a very good carry class, able to stack might and vulnerability very efficienctly in addition to a bunch of other conditions in their dps rotations – and a number of classes have an “if enemy has conditions” or “if enemy has [x] condition” damage modifier, so it will proc that too. Quite literally the only class which has no place in the meta is necromancer, and if that is something that upsets you – then you have the backing of the whole dungeon subforum because we all think it would be great if all classes were able to fit in to dungeon groups. 7 classes out of 8 having a use though I still consider a win, and despite having basically zero utility, power necromancers do have DPS on par with warriors so it’s good if you just want a DPS.

Basically – what makes the Guild Wars 2 system great is that in order to excel at the game you need to practice active damage mitigation so as opposed to stacking defensive stats – this promotes skill and, skillful players are rewarded by blazing through content. For people who argue “you just stack in a corner and press 1”, and I open this challenge to everyone – go in to a dungeon, stack in a corner (LoS or pull the boss or whatever) and just press 1. No dodges, no utilities, no other weapon skills. If you are in berserker gear you will wipe every single time. If you are in cleric gear however, you can solo the spider queen – I issued that challenge and someone on the forum pulled it off. Bonus points if you record fractals or arah because they actually have a level of challenge to them, minus points for COF p1.

If people want a trinity, there are a lot of other MMOs where I assume instanced gameplay just involves players executing skill rotations and watching boss/ally bars, but GW2 is not that game. You need to execute your skill rotations within the confines of the encounter mechanics (e.g. you aren’t going to pull of flawless rotations on Mossman, you seriously just won’t), and while doing this you need to be supporting your team with damage mitigation, positioning, offensive boon stacking, etc. etc.

I would quit this game if ANet introduced trinity.

100 % with you. +10000

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Hi All,

I am not going to summarize every point raised in the thread but I am going to provide a summary of the points that stood out to us the most that you all made:

1: Dredge:
Dredge is frustrating and this is compounded by the overall length of the Fractal.

2: Make rewards more accessible and relevant:
- Allow players to spend their unwanted rewards to get rewards they actually need.
- Look at the general drop rate within Fractals.
- Take a look at the delivery of items to ensure they are more useful to individual players.
- Create a global dungeon reward system using a token system for example.
- Think of new rewards that cater more toward to Fractal players in general.
- Think about risk vs reward vs Time with global rewards.
- Do not depreciate the significance of certain rewards like Fractal skins.

3: Re-rolling:
Work on the higher priority issues before tackling this area.

4: Level Reset:
- Do not do a reset moving forward.

5: Challenge:
- More of an emphasis on Instabilities and core game play challenge rather than simply agony moving forward.
- Add new types of challenge rather than reworking existing areas.
- Focus more on additional paths that reward players dependent on the interaction of said path. Note this also includes different strategies of goals achieved in certain encounters.
- Thanks for the tons of ideas for new encounters which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.

6: Lore:
- Continue to have lore be a pillar of Fractals but ensure it doesn’t get in the way of the flow of the experience. For example, no un-skippable cut scenes.
-Thanks for the tons of ideas for new lore themes and gameplay which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.

7: Tiers:
- Do a pass on which fractals are included in which tier in regard to risk vs reward vs time.

Please post if you think I have missed a significant area from this summary.

Thank you all for partaking in this CDI. The use of the proposal format worked out really well I think.

I will check back later today, update if necessary and then sticky the thread in the CDI section.

Chris

Thank you for understanding and including #4. I know it doesn’t mean that they won’t do it, but I’m so extremely glad that at least you see that we all need to hear that the consensus is it wasn’t a good idea.

Also, Colesy told me to read this post while in game, and said I might start fangasming while reading, and he’s right. Thank you Chris.

deSade.9437:

IT’S DONE!
Thanks blessing for providing half the leggie love ya.

Oh very lovely! Fashionable x a million!

1. Guilds

2. Forum (already spoke to support about this, they passed it on)

3. Dungeon evolution

4. Character customization

5. …

I honestly can’t think of 10.

Lindbur.2537:

Uh oh… I’m 12 hours ahead… <_<

XD well. No sleep for you!

Wethospu.6437:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Wethospu.6437:

IrisTheCasual.3742:

Do you even have any, Weth?

Stop pressuring me!

You’re not fashionable enough for students to take you seriously.

I hate you elitists.

Remember their manifesto? “Dress how you want”

Jealousy is like that.

And the real manifesto is #DressHowLilithWants.

Wethospu.6437:

IrisTheCasual.3742:

Do you even have any, Weth?

Stop pressuring me!

You’re not fashionable enough for students to take you seriously.

Lindbur.2537:

What’s yer timezone? I’m SEA, you know…

Aha. I’m est so I mean like an hour before reset

IrisTheCasual.3742:

fair point!

Seeing how we never have a chance to run a fotm together. Cruel fate!

You should come with me and Lind Friday night

IrisTheCasual.3742:

But I’m Asian hehehe…

Oh bah.

I’m not blonde!

Ah well. Let’s be Caithe and Faolain then.

Teckos.1305:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

The issue with the developers increasing the difficulty of anything in this game is that casuals will cry about it. I’m not saying that I would not prefer a more challenging AI, but that the mass population of gw2 struggles to even do things like the Marionette without having their hand held. And it has been made quite clear that the developers are trying to tailor the most of their content toward casual players. Heck, they won’t even implement a combo field priority system because they only think 1% of the players would even know what it means.

I dislike the trinity. That’s why I play gw2. There are plenty of trinity games out there.

And this is my principal problem with the devs and the community people think that they should be able to do anything and to get everything by doing anything. And there i take the wow example they have some extremely “casual” content but on the other hand they have a lot of polished and challenging content for those seeking it. In gw2 we have reached the point where players cripple themselves to get challenged and this is a huge issue.

100% agree.

Naked solo runs are the only things we can do. Also I think I saw a level40 warrior soloing Lupicus once. So being basically trait less is impressive to me.

IrisTheCasual.3742:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

IrisTheCasual.3742:

I think I’m gonna give up level 50 and just pugging 30 and below for a change then.

Anyways, I’m still sad. Need a hug \o/

hugs and gropes

I mean… hugs

LOL…. hug and kiss

Can I be Marjory? ((Let’s take this to PM)) hehe

IrisTheCasual.3742:

I think I’m gonna give up level 50 and just pugging 30 and below for a change then.

Anyways, I’m still sad. Need a hug \o/

hugs and gropes

I mean… hugs

Teckos.1305:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

-snip-

My ranger is my 4th alt and it’s pet doesn’t die because I know how to manage it.

But whatever. You can’t have the trinity placed into this game without heavy consequences and a major overhaul of the entire game. So every argument you have is invalid, if you refuse to accept that truth.

First of all I consider the trinity a good system that has proven itself, and a lot of people on these forums have a misconception of what kind of gameplay can be achieved with the trinity.
But the trinity is not needed to create a great combat gameplay, my problem with gw2 is that the actual combat is simply no good not even as an “action mmo”, every aspect of the game could be made much more important and in fact in some exceptional encounters for example sc80 embued shaman 2 players show well a lot of reflect but also use of control and even “tanking” with the guardian being mainly focused, but no need for soldier gears(even if i am pretty sure the guard invested in toughness) or melandru runes just a institutional build, and a near perfect execution. All the devs have to do is to create good encounters they don’t even need good AI just some decent scripting of the encounter. But are they even trying to?

The issue with the developers increasing the difficulty of anything in this game is that casuals will cry about it. I’m not saying that I would not prefer a more challenging AI, but that the mass population of gw2 struggles to even do things like the Marionette without having their hand held. And it has been made quite clear that the developers are trying to tailor the most of their content toward casual players. Heck, they won’t even implement a combo field priority system because they only think 1% of the players would even know what it means.

I dislike the trinity. That’s why I play gw2. There are plenty of trinity games out there.

IrisTheCasual.3742:

So, it’s just in. I’m kicked from my usual fotm group. Long story short, I was giving a lecture to the self-imposed group leader of how a staff ele is ‘not contributing’ in a semi-pug group without 100% reflection uptime. Bad move. I got called ‘elitist’ and was told to group up with my other fellows instead of affecting the way-he-wants-to-play. And as a bonus, he has kindly reminded me that he has been carrying the whole group for his entire career and won’t take any advices from an ele who dies a lot (me).

I’m deeply saddened and disappointed. I’m orphan now. Anyone wants to adopt me to your fotm 50?

Poor Iris…. We are both orphans…

Paulytnz.7619:

Maybe this is why she seems so grumpy all the time, don’t forget Britney did away with her hair too when she was in a bad place….

LEAVE ZOJJA ALONEEEE

Ahem. Poor Britney.

Zojja probably shaved it after Snaff died, because he liked her hair and she didn’t want anyone else to see it other than him.

Paulytnz.7619:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Also here’s google’s bald Zojja:

Nooooo noooooooooooooo say it aint so!? I was hoping she was hiding an Affro under there….:(

I think she’s cute. ^.^

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My opinions are my opinions. I think yours are wrong. You think mine are wrong. You are very sensitive to anyone disagreeing with you. That’s okay. No need to freak out.

No, I am sensitive to people misrepresenting and misquoting what I said. I want people to understand the actual argument. Rather than just blasting me for something I never said. And I feel that is a very fair thing to get worked up about.

You get worked up about everything. All anyone needs to see is your post history and they can see you are very volatile.

I think you are wrong that arena net failed to place anything to replace the trinity. I think the freedom we have to build and play how we want is marvelous. You can say “only x is viable and blah blah” but that just isn’t true. It’s true for speedruns, sure, but as a hardcore player turned casual by real life, I’m finding I prefer to play my chars how I want. I think anet replaced something old and stale with something fun and new. That’s my opinion. You can go on disagreeing, but at the end of the day I’m enjoying myself in the game, and if you’re hung up about not having a role, you’re missing out on what the game actually offers.

Lindbur.2537:

The last time I wrote I needed a high level fractals mentor nobody answered me.
So I’m gonna write it again! I need someone to teach me the finer tactics in fractals so I can stop being a miserable failure in pugs and start carrying!

crickets

Okay, maybe not the carrying part…

I’ll take you. Friday night is when I normally go, though.

Cotser.7015:

You’re so insane that you think you can remain sane after pugging. ooo

Hm… Possibly.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

But whatever. You can’t have the trinity placed into this game without heavy consequences and a major overhaul of the entire game. So every argument you have is invalid, if you refuse to accept that truth.

No, no, no, you still fail to understand the actual argument.

I never said that the trinity should be added back in the game. I never said that. But you refuse to see that point and understand it. That is why you beat up on this topic over and over, and never really address the point I was making.

looks at my previous posts on this topic

One post on liking the way it is, another post on how the loot system would need to be changed and I would dislike that…. I hardly see any of that as “beating up on this topic over and over”.

My opinions are my opinions. I think yours are wrong. You think mine are wrong. You are very sensitive to anyone disagreeing with you. That’s okay. No need to freak out.

Edit to combat your stealth edit: I like that all of my characters have their choice of roles. I’m glad I’m not confined. I’m sorry you disagree.

I pug. I’m sane. Sorta.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I don’t feel like you are being reasonable personally. It is very silly of you to think that they should change the entire game

STOP right there. Stop saying that. I never said that, ever. That is the strawman right there.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

you just keep yelling the same thing without even thinking about the consequences of these proposed changes might be. It’s essentially covering your ears and trying to out yell everyone.

No. Pointing out what the flaws in the game are, is not the same as proposing a change. I never did propose a change for this in any of my posts. So you can stop pretending that I did, and arguing that point. That is a strawman.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

As for your second bit, a good player can keep their pet alive. It’s ridiculous to say that a pet is always dead. It isn’t the case and maybe you should play with better rangers.

With all of the rangers I team up with, the pet is dead during every boss fight. That’s because when the ranger dodges an attack, the pet does not.

My ranger is my 4th alt and it’s pet doesn’t die because I know how to manage it.

But whatever. You can’t have the trinity placed into this game without heavy consequences and a major overhaul of the entire game. So every argument you have is invalid, if you refuse to accept that truth.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Sorry, his argument is by no means a straw man argument (why has that phrase been coming up so much lately?) dungeons are a minor part of pve. Pve is 1/3 of the game modes. So… He’s right.

Yes it is a strawman, since I never ever advocated a fix involving changing the whole game. That is a strawman argument. If he/she is just going to misrepresent what I said, and then beat up on that, then that discussion is over. Discussions are impossible without both parties being reasonable, and willing to see each other’s side. If one of the two just goes down the alley of childishly beating up on something the other clearly didn’t say, then that is a strawman.

AND

Why would you want to bring a ranger along, when their pet is dead most of the time, and they don’t really provide any meaningful support?.

I don’t feel like you are being reasonable personally. It is very silly of you to think that they should change the entire game around and flip it on it’s head because of an extremely small aspect of the game that anet does not even care about (is it pvp? No. Is it wvw? No.). Your arguments are closer to straw man than his, because you just keep yelling the same thing without even thinking about the consequences of these proposed changes might be. It’s essentially covering your ears and trying to out yell everyone.

As for your second bit, a good player can keep their pet alive. It’s ridiculous to say that a pet is always dead. It isn’t the case and maybe you should play with better rangers.

Wanze.8410:

Syberius.2301:

bugest.3478:

Well I have noticed that sentinel’s armor recipes was able to drop only during the last event before Cove event, so now peaple manipulate These armor prives in black lion market couse only some peaple can make it, now 1 peace goes for 8g + and before 1 week they were for 6. and there is no another way just to buy from market or try to find kind person who can make u cheaper… I think its unfair that there is time or armor that can be crafted only from event recipe without any other way to get this recipe couse spending 50 gold for 1 armor set is stupid then its only armor with stats u want.

Plz, do somethink more fair about it.

There isn’t anything like a recipe for sentinel gear. Sentinel gear can be created only with insignia which was drop from Molten weapon-facility and nobody is able to create them.

The Ultimate Citizens Rescue Bag has a chance to drop exotic sentinel armor and weapons and you can salvage the exotic insignias/inscriptions off them. Weapons start at 1.5g on buy order, armor starts at 2g on buy order.

This was almost a year ago >.>

Jeremlloyd.6837:

Well I need some lessons then. Anyone wanna teach me how to avoid that next time?

See the FAQ !!!!

Geez all I do and it’s ignored!

;) I forgive you.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Wharrgarbl.9263:

So in your oppinion if 1 or 2 classes out of 8 under performs in a subset of 1 of 3 game modes your fix is to change the whole game instead of reworking a class… Seems like a sound strategy!

If you’re going to build strawman arguments, I see no reason to engage in discussion with you.

Sorry, his argument is by no means a straw man argument (why has that phrase been coming up so much lately?) dungeons are a minor part of pve. Pve is 1/3 of the game modes. So… He’s right.

Jeremlloyd.6837:

Well it seems like some people hate me (or hate SC) Our run was once again moved to Linksville. You can see it here if you’re interested.

See the FAQ on this subject

yukhe.6452:

Iehova.9518:

Sentinel != Soldier, your argument is incorrect.

actually youre incorrect.
sentinel’s:
Vit++ power+ toughness+
soldier’s:
power++ vit+ toughness+

sentinel is made for full tanks, soldier is a tanky dps.

Way to necro.

The person you are quoting said sentinel’s != soldiers which is correct. != means does not equal.

Logos.1306:

T3 headgear should be placed on forehead rather then on head. This way it could still show choosed hair (like mask type headgear). Why it isn’t like that

You don’t think it would look strange with various hairstyles? I honestly can’t imagine having hair underneath it and still looking good. :/ maybe it’s just me though?

I like it, but I struggle to find groups to do it. If I had a set group, I would do it probably once a week.

zMajc.4659:

/offtopic

Lue.6538:

Well among other things, there are quite a bunch of elitist jerks that prefer only 80s in dungeons, thus shutting players out of dungeons and FOTM.

I’d never, ever play with anyone under lvl 80 in FOTM, if you would you haven’t played fractals alot.

I enjoyed leveling my level ~60ish ranger in level 1s back a couple months ago. but I made my own groups.

I also play fractals quite frequently (level 49s on my main), and know each level very well, and thus was able to do so without much trouble.

This said, anything above 9 I would never bring a lowbie in and would not accept a lowbie into my groups.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/scarlets-spaulders-and-grasp-in-the-gem-store/

Yeah, they are leaving. They warned us up at that link.

Lindbur.2537:

Got a second Lovestruck Anlace (and with it another ascended dagger), and hiding the backpiece for this screenie!

Lovely

I love the model for that dagger. I’d like to see it reskinned with, maybe, a golden color or maybe some new particle effect.

Also here’s google’s bald Zojja:

Lindbur.2537:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Lindbur.2537:

I’d rather keep the helm as it is.

I wish I had my screen of both of us sitting together that day. We match <3

:3

\o/ Yay! Thanks.

Tanith.5264:

My mesmer is bald (I didn’t like any of the hairstyles at launch), and I regularly get comments on how cute she is. Y’all be the judge.

Very cute. I like the bald, but you definitely have to have the right eyes (which you do) and face shape in order to keep it looking feminine

Lindbur.2537:

I’d rather keep the helm as it is.

I wish I had my screen of both of us sitting together that day. We match <3

Sinifair.1026:

There was a bug once that made me see the dialogues during PS between the characters, where none had their headgear on (I know player characters don’t, but the same thing went along for the NPC’s) and I did indeed play on an Asuran character during that time… and yeah, Zojja was indeed bald under those goggle/cap/thing she’s got on there.
- I kid you not, but I did not take any screenshots unfortunately.

I mentioned this above. But yes. I think she was never imagined to have hair because her cap hid it anyway, and she isnt really seen without it.