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Longbow and sword/warhorn condition build is probably one of the best builds for survival, mobility, and damage right now. There are many variations of it.

Having played a warrior, ranger, nerco, thief, and elementalist to 80. Warrior is probably the easiest. It has a nice combination of mobility, heals, armor and damage. With food, dogged march, and ire, the warrior has great defense against cc and conditions. Does it make it the best class? No. I know for a fact my necro could wtf own a warrior. I also know a few mezmers that could kill me. However, since I know that I don’t let them catch me. That is what is nice about a warrior, it isn’t the best class but it can escape from the ones that are. Works great in wvw. In spvp, not so much since you can’t have food. The same build I use in wvw gets owned in spvp. I do think the healing signet is a little high now or most other classes need a bump in their single heal. Necro’s is kinda crappy.

Only 23 pages, PvF is dead.

Did bg quit? This thread is only 18 pages.

Prob going to much offense and not having enough condition removal.

Could also not have enough swiftness. Therefore, he gets run downed and ganked.

Other than that, a condition warrior should not lose to many classes. It is either a win, stalemate or you leap away from that slow moving necro.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

I watched the first two encounters, and it was pure nub city in there. Condi warriors are a force, that cheese build is for noob stomping.

I thought the same thing. Most of those guys weren’t even stunned and got 100bladed.

Shrug…15K isn’t that much. That is only about 400 dollars. Some people spend more on graphics cards.

Keep it up, 18 more pages to go.

20 pages of nothing. Can we get to 40?

Considering TC has more people in SoR bl now, I would say SoR has quit for the week.

Everyone and their mom has a commander tag. Don’t be little people when you lose. The worse thing to do, no one cares. Be helpful. If another commander is on the field, help them out doing the less glamorous work. Earn respect and more people will follow you. Have tons of siege, you should and need to be the one dropping it. Food is helpful also. It works better if you are in a guild and have a base of people to help you out.

Just some newbie, what is so special about week 7?

Waypoints make the strong server stronger. They can move around quicker as one big blob. This has been the general trend of most MMOs.

Why not reserve it? Give the advantage to the little guy. Add more break-out type events. Maybe some behind enemy lines to drain supplies or destroy siege and maybe even weaken upgrades. Let them have stealth attacks that don’t trigger swords. Cheaper siege.

If a server couldn’t win against another when they had no upgrades, what makes you think they can when a few days later when that server has t3 keeps everywhere?

If you don’t have cleansing ire, get it. You build adrenaline faster. When traveling with zerg, hit a NPC monster or take fall damage to keep from losing adrenaline. If you still want more and you really want to be a support stun warrior. Do healing shouts and get inspiring shouts. With two shouts and a couple of hits, you are full in a second or two.

Or you could just slot one or the two skills that give you adrenaline. Berserker stance is nice because it also keeps you immune to conditions while it is up. However, it is instant like signet of fury.

I find just having cleansing ire enough to keep me full most of the time even when I am switching weapons. I am usually waiting on my cooldowns rather than adrenaline.

I don’t mind 1vs2. Fights are better and it shows me how much respect you have for my server when you need to do it. Thanks and keep it up.

I found with MMOer (wanna be bullies), the more you cry the more they do it.

For unorganized zerging, go more defense. You can’t count on others to heal or cleanse you. You will be more valuable to your side if you can stay upright and continue to stun and knockdown. With shout heals, you will be even more valuable. Also, being a front-line guy, you will draw a lot more firing because of TAB targeting. I would even give up destruction of the empowered for mobile strikes. You want to be able to leap no matter what sometimes. Dogged march, runes, and food is not always 100%.

90% of MMO players go for big damage. The 10% that don’t usually make the difference.

I am from Houston and get the same thing, location doesn’t have anything to do with it. I played on more than one network also since I travel.

a bunch of people are getting the same thing. In fact, I am lagged out right now waiting for my game to crash.

Got to wait till the next patch and the wave of pve’ers move to something new.

It is a patch problem and you will never get them to admit it. They will just fix it one day and you will never know.

I use it to catch thieves sometimes. If I am fighting a decent thief that is giving people problems, I will switch longbow out for rifle. When he pops shadow refuge, I butt him out or fear. When he runs, I use cripple and leg specialist.

Other than that, I find longbow better.

Axle.5182:

Personally i only play within EU prime and despite what many will claim to be night capping iv seen anything but it all 3 servers have a strong presence the only pve door i encountered was taking hills from BG on SOR bl but JQ [Foo] rushed in behind us and ninja capped it lol

Later JQ had a tier 3 bay locked up like Fort Knox tried a few times to enter and got knocked back by the huge defence effort on the objective lot’s of diversionary tactics also with random tower, garry tagging to lure us away from the real target etc thankfully we had scouts on some of those objectives.

Despite what goes on outside of my EU prime this is a pretty tight matchup in my opinion the outcome is not set in stone everything seems to change at a moments notice thank you everyone for making it so. EU gold league table will be a 1 server blow out with SFR the No 1 stacked server now also actively recruiting NA guilds and players to supplement it’s strong Russian night capping team to not just win but dominate. Now since the majority of EU servers only have a single prime time unlike NA those players joining will be the true definition of night capper’s and pve door specialists who will encounter little more than a few scouts and a small rag tag of pugs.

I think most MMO players think if their server is losing it is because they are either out-manned or getting 2v1. If they lose 1v1, it is because their class is under-powered or the other needs nerfing. No way they would ever lose an even match-up.

mikal.9502:

Funny thing about SOR. Two weeks ago it had an easy match-up and you had to wait like an hour to get into WVW. Last week it was back to fighting Blackgate and JQ and SOR losing and you could get into WVW no wait anytime. This week another easy match….and the hourly queue is back.

SOR sure does like to beat up on the little guy and when a fair fight shows up, they run home…..

Shrug…I played several times during the weekend and had out-manned buffs. SoR is a T2 pop server that just happens to be in T1.

morrolan.9608:

Aberrant.6749:

Or it could just be sunday… or monday… or tuesday… you get the picture…

I miss blackgate. I love how they will actually stand and fight, whisper our commanders to set up fights, etc. etc.

Even SoR roamers (that rare creature) will turn tail at 75%. Very boring.

Did TC have a recent influx of trolls? The last couple of times SOR and TC have played the forums have been pretty civil. No more it seems.

I wouldn’t call it an influx. There are hundreds of people that wvwvw. One a few troll. It is just what some people do for fun while they aren’t playing the game. If they get one negative response, you made their day and justified their life.

Sovereign.1093:

Hi sor,

can you give me an assessment of how tc is in your eyes and some constructive criticisms?

you can message me privately if you don’t want to post here.

I think you guys have improved a lot. In fact, there were some TC guilds that were out-right schooling some SoR guilds. You don’t have the numbers but do not seem to be quitting. You are doing the only thing you really can, fill-up the BLs you can and give them hell. I like it. TC is a good server.

Didn’t the cool-guy memo from last week say wvw is no longer cool?

It was a bug, this thread was going into the whine cellar but like everything Anet does at first, it didn’t work.

That is how rock, paper, scissors works. While you play a certain class that totally destroys one build, you have a problem vs another. While it is a problem for you, it is very easy for someone to beat a condition warrior. Some classes that come to mind are necro, engineer, certain mezmers, and sceptre/focus elementalist. I die so fast against a sceptre/focus elementalist it isn’t funny. They have crazy amounts of reflect damage coupled with hard hitting direct damage. I have had them take me out in like 8 seconds. Necro’s can do it also; just not as fast. Good thing fighting a nerco is he can’t catch you.

I think your problem is, you think you are a good player. If you win, it is because you are good, naturally. If you lose, it is because the other class/build is op. A good player realizes some classes he cannot beat and is fine with it. Most MMO players are like you.

You do realize that is how pvp works. It is an ever changing field where you need to adjust your builds to counter theirs. The funny thing is, your side slots a few more condition removal skills, you make a condition warrior obsolete. It is you refusal to adept that makes them over-powered. You are to worried about topping the charts with high kills and dps.

Blix.8021:

Do people use banner regen for wvw? It’s not like spvp where people feel obligated to stand in a circle to fight you. It seems like the banner would just be annoying to play around. I was thinking about getting a condition set for my warrior too, but 1200 healing only gives you about 60 extra hp per second from healing signet and 180 per 3 seconds from adrenal health (at full adrenaline). I wouldn’t think that would be worth giving up the condition damage and crit from rabid.

You build 36-45 seconds of regen with a tactics banner while roaming. That is more than enough time for most fights. So a banner isn’t completely worthless. They are a game changer in huge T1 3-way fights where passive healing is king.

Nothing more enjoyable than reading the cryings of a PVEr…keep it up TW.

Clearly if a ranger beats you, it is OP. Warriors are getting those posts also. Everything was fine when you could beat any class 1 on 1 but the moment one class counters yours, you scream nerf.

Sad thing is, a spirit ranger is so not OP.

I find a warrior can be good at both zerging and solo roaming without any changes to my build. My thief, however, I have to switch a bunch of stuff around if I want to zerg or if I want to roam.

It is near OP right now when combined with minus duration stuff. In the meantime, it is fun to have. If anything, they will remove the regen buff.

Lets not give JQ any credit or anything. It isn’t all about BG and SoR. JQ is kicking butt. Good job JQ, glad to have you back.

Pay to win items would be a no. Anything is fine. Armor, skins, finishers, etc. I would be willing to pay a fee to play wvw that had its own team devoted to it to make it better.

VOLKON.1290:

Ljiona.9142:

NA servers should get points from a 8-10 hour window and EU servers should get points in a 8-10 hour window. When they finally get Asian servers, open a 8-10 hour window for them. All off-hour fighting should be pooled into off-hour servers.

What an incredibly bad and poorly thought out suggestion. Or… do you actually think everyone that lives in your timezone works the same hours you do?

This is why I said you can represent 3 different servers at once. I guess it could also be one server just split the ranking into three time-zones. During NA prime, you are fighting other NA servers of equal rank. During EU prime, same thing. During Asian prime it switches again. At the end of the week, server’s will be rated in their time-zones. If you have a strong NA, you move up in that slot, if your EU sucks, you move down in that slot, and so on. I like the idea of being about to represent different servers because some servers are drastically different in different timezones. You can pick servers that are the same to your liking. If you like small combat, pick those type servers. If you like zergs, pick servers that have strong showings in each of the three timezones.

Of course, they would have to figure out how to save siege weapons during the offhours. That shouldn’t be to hard.

The whole idea that 10% of the wvw population can get 90% of the overall score for week when most people aren’t playing is an incredibly bad and poorly thought out suggestion.

Banners work well in zerg fights with an organized guild. When most people can’t get their heals off, you and your side are ticking away. #2 tactics banner heals for 1000. You can pop a heal, drop it, someone else pick it up and cast. You could have 800-1000 from that and the 300 from regen. Add in a ranger water field, and every time someone drops the banner, it is an AOE heal. That is way more healing than a shout build.

Of course, most people have no idea that tactics has an AOE heal and most guilds aren’t disciplined enough to drop only water fields in zerg fights.

celeron.3469:

I feel bad for WARD and Aco.

Because they picked a server for the challenge rather than joining the band-wagon?

NA servers should get points from a 8-10 hour window and EU servers should get points in a 8-10 hour window. When they finally get Asian servers, open a 8-10 hour window for them. All off-hour fighting should be pooled into off-hour servers. How ever many can be supported (maybe 3-6) You can represent a NA server, EU server and then an off-hour server. This ensure no one can ever not wvw. They just represent different servers based on what time they play. NA and EU servers are not screwed by off hour capping. Off-hour fighters are pooled into a smaller player area and can actually fight someone and not pvdoor.

Next, you could adjust population caps based on tier. Tier one gets the normal cap. Tier 8 however gets a smaller cap so the smaller server just isn’t completely out-zerged. These caps can be adjusted based on population history. Lets say three servers are paired together. One server that normally fields two maps is paired with two servers that can barely field one map. Lower the cap to the average of the three servers population history. The big server still has a slight advantage, but it should be closer. Anet could easily experiment to find the best fit.

Zenyoga.6910:

Punny.9210:

u cant have both good Condi and Raw dmg or you will be a glass one.

u have to pick one of it and the rest go to your defensive stats.

I’m not sure if your aware, but in tpvp you can have 1870 power base, with 1020 condition damage. Pluse the build can easily maintain 6-8 might stacks making you pretty much at 2200ish power and 1200ish condition damage, no other condi build does this.

Also to ozii, if you are fighting for a point, you are gonig to be eating a lot of burn stacks from the field if you want to hold it, and the least amount of the builds damage comes from sword auto attack, you should try playing it before you conclude.

With longbow#3, rage, sigil, warhorn#5, banner, and stomp. You are at 20 stacks of might. Aura gets you do 25. If you use the banner that gives 170 power and condition, that is like having 5 more stacks. Necros are the only class that will give you trouble. Just not a good fight since they counter the boons and can throw those awesome conditions back on you. Most others you can go toe-to-toe with. Works really well if people are fighting on objectives and do not move.

Veritas.6071:

Excalibur.9748:

Cogbyrn.7283:

If I had the power to ban one person from the forums and sacrifice my ability to post in the process, it would be Excalibur.9748. And I would do it in a heartbeat.

That’s cute. All I see in your post history is you trying to get thieves nerfed. Now that someone is doing the exactly same thing you’ve been doing you call foul. How ironic.

I think the issue is that you’re the only one who has stuck around. There have been a couple more posts here and there that have yielded productive discussion, and many of us have offered tips on how to counter the signet. However, you continue to reappear, throwing opinions around as if they are facts and express zero interest in improving your gameplay. Do you honestly think coming here and posting totally unsupported opinion sways the devs’ outlook on the game and its balance? If you watched the stream yesterday with the devs, you’d know we have more buffs incoming in the future. Does that sound like something they would say if they agreed that they’ve created an unbeatable warrior of the caliber you’re describing? You’re wasting your time… and now I’m wasting mine.

He is the same yahoo that said the leaked patch notes were fake. There was no way they could be real because he was so smart. Anyone that discussed the changes were stupid because they were fake.

The real heroes of wvw are the people that purposely play on under-manned servers and those few off-hour guilds that haven’t all flocked to one server. Anet should do more to encourage more even battles. In the meantime, new awesome armor skins, weapons skins, and achievements should be granted to those unsung heroes of wvw. They deserve it.

Excalibur.9748:

Heizero.9183:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

Daecollo.9578:

Excalibur.9748:

We still have low damage.
We still have poor sustain (can be easilly kited/killed.)
We are still one of the hardest classes to play.

This is lulzy coming from the highest damage, and one of the highest sustain class. It’s also the class that is widely considered to be ez-mode and faceroll.

Gaurdians/Rangers/Engineers/Thieves all have higher sustain.

Rangers have higher sustained damage, Guardians have higher Sustained Damage, Thieves have higher burst damage.

Please go back to your own forums.

Since when do thieves have higher sustain? If they’re in stealth they can’t do anything except regen health which is still lower than healing signet PASSIVE…

Warrior is widely regarded to do the most DPS, a lot more than ranger and guardian for sure. As far as burst DPS, warrior wins with hundred blades. Nothing can touch that.

0/0/30/0/0 Shadow Arts is an amazing tree, stealth means you can still be hurt but if you know your class and others you can avoid damage easilly.

Hundred Blades is the easiest attack to avoid in the entire game to any class.

If your dieing to it, AS A THIEF.. then I suggest getting a new pair of hands. The counter to hundred blades is moving out of the way, with a class that has multiple teleports and ways to escape this is easy. I’ve never died to 100b on my thief, even with the prenerf bullsrush+quickness+100b combo, it is SO easy to see it coming.

A guardian has Whirling Wrath, which is a hard to avoid attack unlike hundred blades because you can move and combo with it to pull foes to you, you can also use it to cleanse conditions as well (things that would prevent it from hurting your target.) Whirling Wrath is better in every way because it has MOBILITY.

Stop looking at big numbers, in PVP its mobility that matters.

Not all thieves have 30 in shadow arts though. I know I don’t. And you’re still forgetting that while in stealth thieves don’t do damage. Those that stay in stealth and never come out are just trolling. When they come out to actually do some damage, they got no more sustain!

Now let’s see, skull crack can be used every 7.5 seconds and most thieves only carry 1 stunbreak, 2 at max. Eventually you’ll be stunned then killed. How to dodge when stunned?

Besides it is well know that warrior has the highest mobility nowadays especially with sword/warhorn and greatsword. Literally 3000 range on a fairly short cooldown.

Joking? my thief craps on warrior mobility. Shadow trap. done deal. Withdraw. Done deal. Infiltrator’s/Steal. done. Plus sustain is heavy in SA. refuge when you are low and you basically have a 2nd heal. plus the passive heal benefit from stealthing. not to mention the condi removal gain from stealth is pretty much a must have. if you are losing to warriors as a thief, no way around it bro, you kinda suck.

It’s pretty obvious we use completely different builds bro.

I only have 5 points in shadow arts and don’t use daggers. It’s great that you counter 1 cheese build with another cheese build, but I prefer to win fair and square.

So in other word, you don’t want to have to change skills, traits, weapons, foods, runes, or sigils based on what you are fighting or what type of fighting you are doing. A thief should automatically win any 1 on 1 fight because they are thieves. If that doesn’t happen, the other class is clearly OP and needs to be nerfed. You do realize the definition of balance is you win 50% and lose 50% of the time.

Maketso.5602:

Excalibur.9748:

We still have low damage.
We still have poor sustain (can be easilly kited/killed.)
We are still one of the hardest classes to play.

This is lulzy coming from the highest damage, and one of the highest sustain class. It’s also the class that is widely considered to be ez-mode and faceroll.

You need to leave the Warrior forums and play one, bud. HIGHEST SUSTAIN, LOL? They are on the low-end of sustain, aside from the NEW healing signet. Which is still easy to pass if you burst a warrior, their done because the active heal is absolute garbage. As per damage, alot of classes can out-damage a warrior. Why? because if you want to survive as a warrior you NEED to build tanky, thus loosing damage posiblities BECAUSE WE LACK SUSTAIN. Where is it? Hmmm, a Healing signet which is only useful in a few situations, Adrenal Health which is a crap every 3 second regen? Cant think of many more.

Yeah, protection is still the best skill for defense. With it, you just reduced damage 15K burst to 10K. That is a net gain of 5K. A warrior can do 850ish at most and that is with your heal tied up. The protection guy still has a heal.

Condition damage works really well with longbow and sword, especially when you build stacks of might. It also lets you have above average durability. Not dying is my favorite thing to do.

Daecollo.9578:

Ljiona.9142:

Heaven forbid they would have to slot some break stun skills instead of their skills that allow them to do ridiculous damage.

Like what skill?

What class you play? You are telling me your class has no stun breaks?

Marduh.4603:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

It’s supposed to be per 1 second

For one second would 130-140 heal.
Now banner shaman warrior can passive heal 850 hp/s. And have 3500+ armor.

And a thief can do 15K damage in three seconds. That comes out to 5K per second. What is your point?

Heaven forbid they would have to slot some break stun skills instead of their skills that allow them to do ridiculous damage.