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No might no vuln about 80% of the time I use it, it breaks 10k on any target, about the lowest I see is 8k and that only really happens if I get very unlucky with crits.

I agree its not great but considering axe 2 can and will hit 20k on softer targets, and will hit through stealth as long as you get the channel started before they enter stealth. I feel its well worth the down sides.

Yea I think stone heart has the potential to be really annoying for any power build to fight assuming it launches the same as they showed it on the live stream.

It would be very fun to rofl stomp things like zerker kill shot warriors who love to target the ele first

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

This looks like it would really shut down a lot of condi builds. I like it. I think I might drop 5 pts in air for 5 pts in arcane for the fury on swap though… but it seems like it could be a legitimate hard-counter to condi builds especially after they take off the ICD on cleansing water. And I’m no longer a fan of the minor fire trait… but it can’t be helped to get that second Cleansing Fire (and the cantrip mastery affects that one too… Condi necros, I bite my thumb at thee!)

But I think without any source of protection you’re a sitting duck for most classes on power builds (IE Thieves)

Sadly good condi necros are still very hard to handle just because of how much hp they have its quite hard to burst it off before their condi applys are off cooldown.

Good thief’s are an issue, but not nearly as much as a well played zerker neco, at least untill the 15th I don’t see a way for ele to beat zerker necro 1v1 (I main zerker necro) you just cant deal enough damage in one burst to kill them and they can just keep life blasting, liching and axe 2ing you down. Most other power classes can be busted down fast enough they aren’t a problem.

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

I am loathed to try anything with 0 pts arcane.

I personally have been running 20/20/0/30/0 for a couple months with great results. I get a decent amount of survivability vs power or condi while dealing some pretty devastating damage.

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Edit: my bad I was more theory crafting, sorry.

More damage 30/10/30/0/0
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More tank 10/0/30/30/0
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Actually Build diversity is exactly what I’m asking for, so many traits on necro push twards condi, I would like some more power based ones. I don’t think its out of line to get one condi build trait and one power trait…

Water: Aquatic Benevolence- your healing to other allies (not self) is increased by 25%

As the trait clearly states it effects YOUR HEALING…..not all nearby friendlys….learn to read.

You can tell this guy is from Fort A***ole wood.

Why would I not be serious? crit damage trait line….makes perfect sense to have a new trait that benefits power builds.

I am quite aware of the fairness of having both a condi and a power trait in that line. What I’m saying is they added NO new power traits while adding 2 new condi traits.

It would be fine if they gave soul reaping a power related trait … but no they give a dumpy hard to proc heal for ally’s only that literally no one will use.

Cogbyrn.7283:

Close to Death is a Power trait at the GM level of Spite.

The ignorance. I’m reeling.

Not kittin?……mouth breathing skritt…

Its a full zerker meta IN PVE ONLY in wvw there is no such thing….

Plus zerker is still the top damage so the change will do nothing to alter that meta.

So they nerf my zerker armor dropping my damage by “10%” and then don’t bother to give any useful power necro trait to compensate for the nerf. Instead they stick heal from condis in the power line and heal ally’s in the crit damage line.

Thanks….for nothing….

In all honesty I think dhuumfire should just be taken out but….we all know that’s never happening .

I think a teleport chill/imob plus chills on staff would help necro lock down opponents that are vastly more mobile than it is, if its gonna make up for the terribad mobility necro needs a bunch more slow CC.

Hemophilia change was really to open both grand master slots.

Furious demise on fear would be a significant buff to necros out of DS crit chance without greatly changing its in DS function.

I really think necro needs better ways to regain hp, if it really is suppose to be an attrition class ele, guardian, warrior, mesmer and ranger(to lesser extent) all have some quite powerful heals that can be traited onto utility skills, we get … like 60 hp when we hit something … wew thanks.

Plague Blast (the 1/2 second life blast) curently with full zerk and ruby orbs only deals about 2k on most targets. The quickness duration is probably a bit excessive and would require a hella big (240s) icd. But I really don’t see it as that op compared to some of the stuff warrior can pull of in full zerk with a rifle, like 20k+ unblockable kill shot. Life blast that can be blocked or evaded for large chunks of damage doesn’t seem that OP to me.

Having played necro since beta I’ve gradually developed my own list of complaints about the class. So I made up a list of changes that I would like to see implemented that I feel would make the class harder to escape from (without greatly increasing its mobility) increase its trait synergy and make death shroud more usable for both condi and power specs. I also feel that giving necro the ability to have both terror and burn at the same time was a very poor balance decision (I realise that some previously nerfed condi skills would need to be buffed to make up for loosing this combo)

These changes are only thinking of WvW.

Please comment with thoughts, but don’t be rude I sincerely feel most/all of the changes I made would better the class as a whole.

Possible Functionality changes:*

Aquatic life blast would become the same as normal life blast (1s cast instead of 1/2s cast)

Dhuumfire could apply 3s of burn when you receive a hit while in death shroud on kitten icd.

Corrosive poison cloud
surround yourself with a poison cloud that apply’s 4s of Poison, Weakness and Cripple to foes you touch,
self poison 10s
15s duration
240 radius
(this skill would work the same as the Human elite Reaper of Grenth)

Spectral Grasp
apply a shadow tether to target foe that chills them for 5s, you may shadow step to tethered foe by using Spectral Traversal imobalising foe for 3s

Blood is power
sacrifice 10% of your current HP and gain 15 stacks of might for 12s

Rending Claws (Axe 1)
Slash foes near your target twice applying vulnerability, 180 radius around target.

Trait Changes:

Spite:

Spiteful Marks VII
All marks apply 1s chill (currently marks deal 10% more damage)

25 point minor
You have a 33% chance to blind foes when you apply vulnerability 4s icd (currently gain might when you fall below 25% hp)

New trait Plague blast XI
reduce life blast cast time to 1/2s from 1s but reduces life blasts damage to 235 base from 244, life blast now transfers conditions to your opponent. This change makes life blast the same as the current aquatic skill of the same name.(currently this trait spot is Dhuumfire)

Curses:

Hemophilia II
moved to master tier and combined with lingering Curse XI, new effect is +40% bleed duration.

Withering Precision XII
moved to adept tier, Weakness duration reduced to 2s icd reduced to 10s

15 Furious Demise
gain 5s of fury when you fear a target 10s icd (Current, gain 5s of fury when you enter death shroud)

Terror IX
has damage buffed to origenal at launch level (or higher) and is moved to Grand master tier.

Dhuumfire
moved from spite and placed as second grand master trait in Curses

Death Magic:

5 Re-animator
Summon a vampric horror, this minions attack steals health and transfers it to you 5s icd (currently summons a jagged horror on a 15s icd)

Dark Armor
gain 200 toughness while in death shroud. (currently gain 400 toughness while channeling)

Spiteful Vigor II
steal 1 boon from each nearby foe when you cast a heal skill, max 5 foes in 240 radius (currently applys 5s protection on heal skill)

Blood Magic:

Buff all life stealing traits heal amount by 20%

5 Full of Life
increase regen duration from 5s to 15s and icd from 30s to 40s

Blood thirst II
gain 3s of regen when you apply bleeding to a foe 5s icd (currently increases life steal amount)

25 blood to power
7% of vitality is given as a bonus to power (currently gain 120 power while over 75% hp)

Soul Reaping:

Fear of Death I
inflict fear on foes when you fall below 25% hp (currently fears foes when you go down)

Speed of shadows V
gain quickness for 5s when you enter death shroud, trait moves to Master tier from Adept (currently increases moment speed by 25% while in death shroud)

Mark of Revival moves to Adept tier.

You owe it to yourself to play zerker necro in WvW, no hold barred pure power on a necro is a scary thing! Nothing can effectively tank sustained zerker necro fire.

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It will take a steaming dump all over any poor sap who trys to use Ascii’s well build one on one with you

I love Reaper’s Touch but Axe 2 Ghastly Claws is WAY better than dagger AA, my GC routinely hits 15k by its self. Zerker necro is boss to kittens with condi!

Heres what I roll in wvw

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As a since launch necro main, and long time solo roamer on necro, I’m here to tell you don’t put to much faith in diamond skin. Yes it well allow you to brutalize nubie necros, but the smart ones will just go into death shroud and Life Blast through diamond skin. At 1200 damage a hit even on a full condi spec it only takes 2-3 hits with Life Blast to take off Diamond skin. In general from a necro point of view once you break an eles DS they panic, stop really attacking you and try to clear condis and heal, but at that point its to late.

If I find a skilled DD ele that is tougher to break down DS on, I’ll just swap on Lich form which hits for around 2k on a condi spec and do the same thing.

I really enjoy my ele and play it almost as much as my necro but … my ele wouldent beat my zerker or my condi necro builds without help. Ele cant come close to the kind of sustained pressure a necro can dish out. Better spike damage sure but even a zerker necro can eat a couple 9k hits and still have enough HP/DeathShroud to kill the ele.

Riku.4821:

I think we can all agree on a few simple things.
1. Not so great
2. expansion packs please.
3. Remove Blue part or let us dye it.

Yep, I would actually buy both the Light and med sets (to use some pieces) if they lost the blue and made it just base skin tone.

Heck I would stick that on my female toons, I enjoy being a juvenile pervert.

I have seen how they look on both genders and all races…..its horrible….

If the necro that hit you was using Axe/Focus as one of his sets that can burst very kittence fully stacked (food bloodlust wvw stacks full ascended) my axe 2 is 14k on the low end, with a max (that I have seen) of 27k then focus if shotgunned at close rage will hit 4 times for 2k-4k per hit.

However as others have said power Necro isn’t really about bursting its about sustained high damage. with DS and high base hp you can take bursts while dishing out high damage.

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I think old ProxyDamage has a bit to much of a kitten for Discipline. But in any case don’t make hybrid builds, they just suck no matter what class.

This is my preferred SPvP condi build (which can be reworked for wvw) Guardian runes push it a bit more tanky while allowing it to maintain damage output even while playing defensively. The first two utility’s get swapped out depending on who I’m fighting.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRAsc5ejkOxu1OCPMxBCkirUFjifI+zjkAFyD-TwAAzCpIwShlDLDWSssYNqYVxeh5CA

Out numbered [YOHO] power necros and support guardians bringing the pain!

Chaba.5410:

We need the eles for dps!!!

Well there’s your problem, way way way to easy for another ranged dps spec to single them out and blow them up. A zerker longbow ranger or, like in our fight on the south camp bridge in MagBL a zerker necro can pick the ele out and kill him. I personally 3 shot one of your eles last night.

No trolling or smack talking but I would really look into spreading your deeps out across the group, eles are just way to easy to burst and kill.

If your dps is where it should be, getting focused isn’t that big a problem. When done right you can kill anything before it kills you, up to and including zerker GS warriors (if you use your cool downs right). About the only times I die are when, A I fight a organised guild group that don’t just focus me with 1 or 2 or B I get run over by a zerg, in which case no necro build would live.

Now don’t get me wrong there are some real tricks to staying up on pure zerker, and they take time to learn. I have been playing pure zerker necro in wvw for over a year now. But no you don’t just go down the second something starts to focus you.

Always stay calm and think through your battle math. Group has hammer warriors, lead off with lich form, hammer warriors are doing 2-3k a hit you are doing 6k…don’t panic take the damage and kill him, if you need to, drop from lich into DS and finish the job. Once the CC is gone you can drop wells around you to gain some breathing room and heal up.

Finally for small group fights, a couple supporty guardians can let zerker necros do crazy things.

Support guardians and zerker necros can lay some serious waist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOfkgboT9ao

drnkndfght.7298:

I dont use lich

……………………………….Never mind..

Reasons why not to do ^^ that ^^

You loose Parasitic bond and death into life, both pretty nice minors.

You loose might on LB (you will see the damage stack up the longer you shoot)

You loose Axe training, 10% more while you have an axe equipped which will apply to DS and Lich

You loose Close to death 20% more damage to foes below 50% hp.

From 50% crit furious demise would only give you 70% crit in ds and it only lasts 5s, deathly perception is 100% crit as long as you are in DS.

And chilling darkness………would be a waist of space in roaming and small groups, there are so many better ways to get aoe chill in your group that don’t kill your damage.

So foot in the grave and traveler runes are about the only useful things you said.

Play smart XD

Here are a couple old videos a guildie made a while back, I have tweaked my build since this and do about 40% more damage so there but they get the play style across. In 1v1’s DS is ok but Lich Form is what wins fights.

In small group fights, it kinda depends. If your group is all pugs then just keep an eye on the fight and bail if it starts turning to far south. If your running with your guild just scale the damage up, if you run two zerker necros on team speak you just coordinate fire to take down targets. two support guardians stacking might also really helps.

Honestly….no. You don’t have enough extra armor to make that much of a difference in the damage you take, but the loss of attack stats is hurting your dps.

As a roaming power necro going tanky on armor or hp really won’t make you win any more fights than you would on pure zerker. You will last longer but unless you have some way of recovering hp that armor and hp wont help you very much at all. And to gain the defensive stats you loose enough damage that it becomes hard to bring enemy’s down quickly.

I have two builds I have used. The first is sort of my training wheels build for new power necros. Its damage is good but not amazing (by my standards) it has plenty of life steals and heals to keep it going, it has loads of codi clearing ability and finally it has good mobility (always important for a roaming build)

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The second build is the one I use to solo roam in wvw (and have used all season long in Gold league)

Its all about damage and managing your life force. A huge portion of your ability to survive is psychological, all but the most veteran wvw roamers will rapidly start to panic the more times you hit them for 5k+. The more they panic the less damage they do and the better off you are.

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tl:dr zerker EVERYTHING, kill them fast before they can hit you to much. Even bunker builds will melt.

Oh and for gods sake get that bloody staff off a roaming power build…

To the ret guys who kept attacking [YOHO] and [TMGT] on fabl tonight, STAHP, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD STAHP.

What were you trying to prove?

Zerker power Necros, the more of them the better. Victory through superior fire power.

Well…..Here we go again. Good luck and have fun!

Sovereign.1093:

We’ve talked about this a long time ago and let’s agree to disagree.

Nah your just wrong….its k we know!

Kruegs you just PM me or Icewielder, we will be happy to kick your teeth in with under 10.

I love how you go yapping about OPP and RIOT like there some kind of small group only guilds, I’ve fought them and they take any advantage they can get (as they should) if that means out numbering the enemy then all the better.

Spent an hour and a half on FABL and saw none of these pro fa small groups……all we saw were fa zergs…

#Disappointed

I’m on FABL right now, come get me!

Aberrant.6749:

Furiousbeard.7602:

TC and FA are obviously very close in size, but you guys can’t represent like Maguuma or SOS.

You’ve never been known for anything else besides blobs.

Pfftt, whatever. I soloed all of this.

#RepresentTC

OMG FA ZERGS TO?? SAY IT AIN’T SO!!!!

I’m not WvWing right now but most nights its a good bet to find us on fabl.

We like Lich ganking silly ele streamers who don’t use a delay!

Lawl so much QQ here.

Any one QQing about no small fights from TC just come find [YOHO], we will be happy to give you a good kicking!

This is the roaming build I use.

It has
Great condi clear
Excellent mobility
Very good dps
Good healing
and best of all you don’t need bunches of ascended gear for it to be viable and its not even that expensive thanks to not using travelers!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAsfRlYgSDHHyNEf4ESmCDEBtUQQA01DIKiaIA-jkyAYLBRqBMhBkIEo0XR0YLmFRjV1gpKXUtyEwdUEtahAEtAA-w

PVF, 60% of the time it works every time, just ask Mag!

Its still enough to get some pretty epic crits.

Aten.8046:

Necromancer’s signet of spite (Inflict bleeding, blindness, crippled, poison, vulnerability, and weakness) aka one button to win, especially if u’re the victim and you’re outnumbered

I’m sorry I lol’d so hard at this…your freaking out about 2 stacks of bleed and a poison? GG man GG.

[sarcasm] So much dps AUTO WIN OP MLG!!!!!!! [/sarcasm]

We love you [APS]!!

[YOHO] figured we owed [Rx] some love after the beating we gave some of them last week!

Yea after the mega blob FA hit FABL Bay with last night you guys have no room to complain about zerging…

To the Pvb guild on SoS, please Please PLEASE get off the up levels guys. I almost felt bad slaughtering you wholesale…almost XD.

Signed the [YOHO] Necro smacking you for 9k a shot!

Lol Warrior “EHRMAHGAHD they did 1k damage to me….RUNN FOREVER!!!!!!” sooo much brain used its hard to believe XD.

Anyone looking for small group fights out of TC just track [YOHO] down and we will be happy to fight small scale with ya.

HAVOC FOREVER!!!

“Play Guild Wars 2 the way you want to play”…….as long as the way you want to play is max level only for level 35 content!

This is the dungeon forum…….how is it the wrong place?

Swapping toons is a needless pain in the kitten and in AC at least, the ele simply by virtue of having conjure weapons makes runs smoother.