Guild Wars 2

Shoutbow BunkerGuard (somehow)Ele(got traits to boost healing)
No healers in gw2?

Also ofc Gw2 gonna fail in esports, it ALWAYS TAKE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH TIME to fix things, i remember i got fix on heartseeker and Lightning Rush like 1 year after relase(before even on not moving enemy HS would miss 2out of 3 attacks and LR would get stuck in the floor) Its fun seeing Anet denial of “ele is op” when they had to BAN MORE THAN 2 ELEMENTALISTS per team to not let ppl go full team overskill

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Overskill

witcher.3197:

Spectral skills are fine.

Shoutbow needs a nerf imo, it’s a thing again on EU and it’s so cancer.. if ele gets nerfed they’ll just simly replace them.

I play shoutbow alot, its very powerful (in terms of survi) build but i wouldnt say that he depends on burning in 1v1 situation, most of time i just stack insane amounts of bleeds with Pindown-Sword engage- sword f1 – swap(with geo runes) what can stack bleeds so hard, i never saw more than 3/4 stack burning every bow rotation (and fireshield in sword). Still shoutbow has same problem as ever, 0 stability easy to lock down, i still like it more than shoutguard cuz it deals way more dmg and its better for burst comps(3 immob skills weaknes/swiftness on warhorn)

How to fix:
Make more ways to get points, like fighting on decap etc

Make win lose factor to multiply your points, like you will get 2x more of your score as points if you win, or 1x if you lose, this will teach slackers and bad players to fight better harder stronger.

But still what we will get with that is 5ppl capping 1 point for 10pts, mby making points from cap teamwise and punish them for getting decaped like -10points teamwise, that would force awardnes and rotation(that is what IS NEEDED) in team force someone to tank/defend other to attack or THINK when its proper time to atack not just rushing and dying like moron.

Trick with revenant is that if they spec for herald they are forced to use this reveal skill, its not engi lock on that has to take 1 trait or another. Played as herald and i must say, this skill is meant to destroy thief, close range instant cast stunbreak that gives you revealt even if your not in stealth. that means I CAN easily make you waste time trying to restealth when i autoattack and 3 on sword on ya. Thief nowadays without stealth is nothing. Anet nerfed survi and dmg of thief cuz they have stealth, tied our only good hp regen to stealth, and gave almost every other class ways to counter it hard.

Funny, everyone forgot stunbreak ability on Revenant spec, it reveals thief hard making it so easy to just destroy thief…

Another thing that is thief mechanics is stealth attack that also will be countered. Just face it guys anet hates thief and isnt rly trying to make thief fun. Daredevil is basicly less fun less working evade thief from before(build they destroyed cuz it was too good in good player hands) Every other class get something new to thier “mechanics and f1” we get BRAND NEW STEAL… Now it will get you 1 free evade if you use it so be happy, U will also get same kittenty steal items (especially in pve).
If thief want to deal dmg he will reveal himself there is NO OTHER way + Stealth is only working defence for thief (they even NERFED endu regen gave every other class nice endu regen traits, and kittented on us with bonus regen on vigor that we cant even get proper uptime and requires thief to get out of fight wait for vigor to regen and go in, when before we had same 3 evades like daredevil (with better agility signet since it gave us 100% not 2/3 of endu)), scraping thief of thier only defence is just harsh, i know this trait is more like “anti pu mesmer” but mesmer deals good dmg from range(what thief cant) has multiple way of sustain/dmg negation (that we dont). Anet will let thief get kittened cuz “IF U WANT TO ROLL THIEF YOU BETTER BE AWARE OF EVERYTHING or YOU DIE!” “If you play any other class then you dont need to care about kitten cuz ur mistakes will be forgiven with ur class mechanics” I seen so many noob rangers that basicly wont die instantly (like they should cuz they were terribad) but thier pet decided to leap with knock or crit for kittenton dmg. Thier trait will negate most of your dmg and you will be foreced to reset fight. And thats problem, thief reseting fight is doing nothing for some time when enemy can just cap/kill his teammates/take objectives.

Daredevil as it was on beta event is a joke so s/d wont make huge comeback unless they buff lance strike to steal 2 boons, Daredevil will give you 1 thing new, ability to go pistol offhand stealth build. So P/P would get invis and S/P would get invis. Still S/P is nowhere near beeing viable again cuz of dmg nerf and p/p always were and always will be insanely bad.

1Thing i tested hard as daredevil and s/d if you roll noncrit build with soldier amulet and take trait that gives you 2k flat dmg on rupt you can basicly make rly fun stealth s/d build that rupts enemy for dmg. Same goes for S/P with crit build and spaming Headshot for 2k dmg (cheap 2k dmg).

Not to mention only way to play s/d in beta was to not get any grandmaster traits…

How come after 10000000000000 threads that prove ele beeing OP as f… there are still guys that say “NO NO NO”… D/D Cele Ele beeing op is a fact mate, u write about comptetitive look at team comps. 1/2/3 sometimes 4 eles in ESL WTF. There is also BUNKER Staff ele that is almost impossible to kill cuz it abuses godlike traits that make them so tanky that bunker guards wish they could get 10% of ele sustain…
Its simple, Or nerf ele survi and buff dmg or nerf dmg and dont change survi, ele CAN BASICLY outlast any other class with almost no effort… Thier passive traits are plain “WOOT WOOT WOOT” If you hit them you get chilled(perma chilled) they can stack up protection(with tempest even more powerful) you get blinded when u get burned, they got trait that NEGATES CRITS, have almost every possible efective defence, knocks stuns dazes chill heal protection weakness. They can spam fire endlessly with 10 sec cd on combo with cleansing fire that will proc from trait(and burn enemy kitten + thier own cleansing fire. They can basicly 1 combo you with 12/15 burning and survive till they have another same combo. Nowadays eles just dont care, all they do is run in fire, go defensive on other attumens if they bother to swap, and go in with fire combo again. If u fight with ele there is basicly 5 sec every 10 sec where he doesnt have ring of fire up… And ring of fire can be countered ONLY BY EVADING trough it, When ele can do what he want, run around past field knock u into it spam drake breath that has like 3 sec cd…

OFC ELE is not OP not rly…

Burnguard would be fine if thier burn combo was rly burn combo, stacking 3/4 burns every 5/6 sec is just too strong gives almost no counterplay for players that cant spam condi clear… And there is gw2 problem, why i can ignore 10 bleed stacks but i need to cleanse burning before it gets higher than 3, its way easier to burn enemy than keep high bleed stacks on them why anet rewards easy mode in condi play instead of more “skillful”…

1. Dagger/Dagger Celestial Elementalist.
Agreed
3. Burning Stacks/Damage.
Its basicly same as 1st. If u nerf burning Ele will revert to his old “im not support nor hard dps” playstyle that was atleast healthy.

4. Shadow Art Thief’s Merciful Ambush, Stealth down Ally with 10 sec CD.
Do u even thief mate?Why ppl think stealth is god mode, you can still hit them with your dumb 100blades

5. Ranger’s Taunt from pet goes through Block/Dodge.
6. Necromancer’s Signet of Vampirism goes through Block/Dodge/Invulnerability.
7. Necromancer’s Spectral Armor while in Death Shroud Mode.
Just LoL… U know how to not get taunted? DONT STAY NEAR PET… Signet of vampirism is very important heal for necro, if enemy could counter play it with single dodge necros would be decimated in matter of sec. And you know what? There is not even 1 necro heal with fast cast speed, everysingle necro heal can be rupted…

Fix shadowsteps on thief to stop eating initiative if they fail to teleport
Change dmg on every skill, its ok for any class to autoattack and they should use thier OTHER spells when they need it (kinda like thief) there shouldnt be 3sec knockdown spell with 3k dmg there should not be any stun/daze spell for kittenton of dmg, if player needs CC he/she will use it, dont make this game 12345 swap 12345 swap cuz thats just dumb (Warriors or Rangers i look at you).
There are many things that need to be fixed…

Is there any question? REAPERS, as thief i can never go in teamfight, as reaper i will lack some movement speed and shadowstepps but spinning around in reaper shround is worth this sacrifice.

I main thief and play everysingle other class, by far i can say that there are builds that kill thief in like 99% scenarios (Condi mesmer/soldier engi/zerk engi) Other gives enemy unfair chance to win vs thief due to thier dmg + survi, when i train duels with my fellow guildmates i can see that there is no way for me to lower my skill lvl to make it bit easier for them cuz they will basicly RUN ME DOWN, especially zerk warriors, i need to play perfectly even vs dude that plays warrior 2 days, any hit can just trigger quickness and destroy me before i even evade.
If you guys play other class then you can see that every class can outdmg or outsustain thief, thats why thief needs to play dirty hit and run / run and run /get burned and respawn thats our only choices nowadays. On the other hand i find myself rly powerful on engi mesmer and ele, they are just SO MUCH EASIER than thief and FORGIVE missplays with insane sustain or yolo traits that gives them godmode…

Dungeons mate, thiefs are insane dung runers with great survi great utility and great clearing speed. S/P build gives you nice dmg with evades so you can just stay and whip enemy kitten

Hmm ttk would be great for thief Anet basicly forces me to do every move perfectly if i dont want to die as thief, it would be nice if every class had to be as aware of game mechanics as thief players…

In terms of balance, all anet is doing is trying to make pvp even smpler than it is. By now they removed almost every depth in classes in terms of pvp. Thief is forced to run around cuz he cant hardcounter kitten, mesmer is forced to abuse invis cuz his skills depend on positioning, guard on every defensive skill they had got offensive meaning(they can even crit u with heal for 4k dmg… sigils crit like no tommorow) necro is basicly forced to 2 rly similar playstyles to abuse deathshround(daggers just stack it fast(dont even start writting kitten about condi necro… condi necro is dead all condi u have is cele))Eles with all thier insane survi that had to be smart before about thier rotation and how to stack might as fast as possible now get yolo mode with 3k burn tick that requires almost no rotation and no knowledge about thier class(all u need to do is drom 3/4 on fire and change attument. this kitten has 10sec cd so when u come back to fire just drop it again and repeat. 0 brain playstyle)Rangers that had to be smart and kite enemy now are just trapbots/tauntbots or are forced to shot from 1000range without any hope that enemy they take down will be finnished off in downstate, next we have warriors basicly forced to go zerker or shoutbow(less efective shoutbow). The only class that is somehow balanced in my opinion is engi, he has tons of viable fun builds, can abuse almost anything this game offers, from range to close fight from condi to burst builds, invis teamsupport they are most unique and fun to play, almost every build can be played and countered, one is easy to counter other is brutal(soldier engi) but still not op.
Back to the point. Game designers have almost no idea what role they want to put class in, Look at thief guys, 1 build for pvp 1 BUILD for pvp no way to play any other cuz every means of high dmg burst and survi they pinned to stealth, (dont even mention daredevil, everyone knows it was bad devs joke and we are still waiting for real thief spec).
What this game needs is easy changing every passive trait to something that has to be somehow activated, no 50%hp auto dps symbol or auto endurepain/shout/mantra/stealth/mistform/arcane shield put more traits to weapons to change thier playstyle a bit, make bleed stack crit chance on enemy so it can be power/condi like vuln. Dont make players react to something that is health based% (thats why eles abused vamp runes, cuz they were %based) Its rly dumb when most players dont even know what makes them so tanky cuz they just take “oh kitten traits” that will make them survive without thier knowledge, make traits that give them options like "you can activate endure pain 2nd time in 10 sec after 1st ends BUT will up it cd to 100sec forcing warrior to chose thier playstyle without feeling lucky moments (no warrior nor thier enemy know thier passives CD so there is no real using it in battle nor counterplaying it)

Anet guide to thief:
“Hmm what should be thief elite spec?”
“I know! Lets Destroy already existing style of s/d s/p evade builds and give them evade specs”
“But every class gets diferent version of F1/F2/… skills how will we name new one?”
“New one? Why new one? We hate thief so thief is only class that will get nothing to f1”
“So before they had 100 endu and flat endu on evade… we will make it same but 150 endu. We will take thier 10% dmg boost and put it into new weapon that aside from 1 average dps spell sucks, we will force them to take 1 Gmaster trait that makes them STOP in place to evade! BRILLANT IDEA”

This whole DareDevil feels like its rushed non tested, it gives “less working” old playstyle back… Ofc its not bad at DragonHunter lvl but guards alone have some insane builds… Prepare for new pvp when we will easily spot bad thief if he holds staff/signet of shadow/etc

Anet Hates Thiefs

Shortbow 5 eats your initiative and fails to shadowstep, Hs/flanking strike fail to hit even if target is not evading and in range

“Basilisk Venom: does not stack at all, which seems unintended since it was changed to two stacks baseline” HARD CC does not stack, it gives you 2 stacks so you can burn 1 on stability.

Dancing Dagger sometimes fail to land single hit to enemy near you(its just RANDOM AS F…)

“Throw Goo” Stolen item from Engi reveals you if you get invisible after throwing it, if you get stealth while your projectile is midair you will get revealt.

Leaping through 2 of your combo fields prioritize 1st casted over last one (if you use stolen item from ranger and then try to restealth BOOM you just got yourself regeneration) Isnt it logical that most “recent” of my combo fields is which i want to use?

Guildwars 1 was rly well balanced in terms of pvp(many skills worked diferently in pvp to balance them better), Had rly big playerbase in pvp in every game mode, (compared to todays gw2 pvp) and if i remember corretly if u did RLY well in Random Arena your team were droped to fight in team arena. Right now if your team is considered (based on hidden elo) at same lvl as stacked 5v team mby you should have atleast close game…

Right now ele is like impenetrable wall, I dont see your “atunement rotation is disturbed.” In any game, As ele i can take on any condi any cc with insane movement skills insane aoe insane dmg burst. Ppl say ele is op just because they got way too many defensive options with thier insane dmg/condi (they can hit like backstab with CELESTIAL amulet…). D/D Cele Ele – Fire = burst aoe BLINDS BLINDS BLINDS 5 sec of fire ring with 10 sec cd(thats alone is bullkitten as kitten… 2 eles can stack up ring of fire till the end of time) water= chill/chill/heal/heal/cleanse/dmg reduction AIR = stuns/ movement/ knock / weakness, Earth knock Cripple condi pressure/ aoe pressure.
As you can see there is NO moment in rotation that makes ele vuln to dmg, they can simply always be defensive while still hitting like a truck. Ofc they can be outplayed but that depends on player skill lvl in ideal world where everyone plays thier absolute limits of thier classes ele can just OUTCLASS other classes.

Im sorry Necromonger, i cant be on your side there. I have over 1k wins in rankeds, and im often “used” by anet as Counterbalance for my noobyBooBy teammates, i still manage to win about 70-80% of games i play everyday(as thief LoL). GW2 pvp is rly hard to be good at, you have to learn every class thier strenghts and weaknesess, 5 player stack often arent much better than pug, as long as you play your best you can easily win.

There is no easy mode for thief, every class can just obliterate them. Thing is… IF thief dont want to fight there is almost NO way for him to die. Shadowsteps Invis using hs to move forward faster/run allows him to instill fear in enemies. I often go far show myself resteath/show myself restealth(shadow refuge) and run away. This way enemy will think ur nearby and wont leave point. I often get 2/3 ppl staying on POINT waiting for me when im easy decaping other point. Thief is rly bad for 1v1 nowadays, any player that played thief for like 1 month will be able to solo thiefs on other classes in 1v1. But still there is no better class with constant movement insane rezzing(shadowarts ress trait) and can outplay anyone.

@Up well ranger trap cd on fire trap is way to low but still it can be countered, and forces them to stay in this kitten to bait enemies. In ele case they just drop and watch

Make Fire combo fields aply 2 burns with 1 icd, lower thier duration or up thier cd and make whirlfinisher stack less burning if has only 1 enemy in range. What you get is still good condi dmg but not total BS 12/19 burn combo.

Yes sure, they add “more challenging content” in hots for casuals? Problem with ANet is that they dont rly try… They dont rly test… As long as something seems fine it wont be changed… They wanted to make hard world bosses, every world boss has “easy way” to kill it, like boxes on golem. For god sake i remember in 1st bwe in this game was “inspect” button im ALMOST sure that im not wrong, they scrapped idea cuz ppl would see other builds, and After some long time they made so in Practice you can spect everyone build. Templates rly shouldnt be so hard to make but they dont even CONSIDER making it. Compared to gw1 gw2 offers almost no “create your own playstyle” in pvp. Unless you play the way according to meta you wont be able to tank nor deal enough dmg compared to other builds. I remember when i started playing this game, i tought that if i find my own playstyle and be rly good at it i will be revarded. What i got were kicks in dungs cuz “not meta build” flame in pvp cuz “not meta build/not working anymore” not working correctly spells, kittenton of ninjapatches that break game for 2/3 days. 2 Years of totaly ignoring pve 2 years of kittenting on pvp by devs(DUUUMBFIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE). What we get now is that ANet is pumping cash into ESL without balancing kitten, pve is repetitive as kitten and dont even get me started on zergwars in wvw. For some reason im still playing and rly i hope there will be a day that i will log in, get on my “working” s/d thief and start rolling vs ppl with same skill lvl not just idiot build that kills everyone on sight. What i want is OPTIONS, Beeing free to chose my own way without beeing flamed cuz its not “optimal way” every way should be OPTIMAL, EVERY build should have strengths and weakneses. Tell me why after playing like 2 years as s/d thief i must roll now Mesmer cuz it deals better dmg has better survi and does EVERYTHING better than thief. Where the kitten is balance team.

Bob the bunker had to tank 3 ppl for his team to win by 10points, proves point that noobies should be queued with noobies vs noobies, not noobies + bob the bunker that can TANK 3 PPL vs team of average players (who would force fight on bob seeing that hes bunker, bunkers are slow and can be easily ignored). Bob got flamed for his heroism by casual/noobies/guys who dont know kitten about pvp cuz he had no score. If Bob had a team on his lvl with him they would help him with rotation, if Bob had team on his lvl in enemy team he would die the moment fight went 1v2.
I still think ANet should encourage ppl to play pvp but also teach them right way to play it, BASICS. Starting(tutorial) location in mists is a JOKE and whats even funnier is that someone who just bought game can just start rank right after compleating it. There is no point in pactice(cancer mode) unranked has maps like skyhammer so most players with brain wont risk getting this dumb map. Problem is when noobies / casual/ ppl that know kitten about pvp arent lectured how to play and arent rly balanced in thier own “skill lvl”. We cant have Bob in team each game to balance out 2 ppl in his team that play on nobrain lvl. I know ANet want to make pvp easier by promoting idiot builds for dummies like trap ranger burnguard, they nerf skill lvl for other classes like engi(turrets/bomb yolo) or ele that right now is all about making same rotation till enemy is dead. I dont think it’s the right way but they know better…

Not to mention TEMPLATES! real GUILD VS GUILD sieges!

And everything that GW1 has, that for some reason we wont get in GW2…

If you shadowstep/teleport out of fire ring it works like dumb ring on guard hammer, it still apply 3 stack of burning (guard hammer will knoc you if you shadowstep out), If you want to balance out ring just give it 1sec icd between stacking burning and now IT WONT BUG out… I can put any money on fact that Anet wont balance anything for the sake of PvP, they never cared why should they care now… We need more CONDI builds in pve so lets make condi Kill instantly in pvp…

This whole problem with burning is simple guys, while there is no “BLEEDING” Field and we cant stack bleeds as fast as finnishing burn field. Sometimes its just plain dumb the amout of dmg burning can deal. Ring of fire, everyone says its op. give it 1sec ICD and you will reailse its not op, its just terrain buggs that sometimes stack 6 burns instead of 3, or standing on it (or beeing knocked on it) skyrockets burns like madman.
Basicly ele that was rly “skill” class now is basicly drop the fire combo -> defensive on other 3 attuments -> drop the fire combo. What i find most bs is that if you fight on point with someone or there is a teamfight, You will get 100-0 burnguarded unless you see exactly when he starts combo, Idiots will say “its 1 condi and you cant cleanse it” dont understand that this combo aplies 19 BURNS in 1 SEC, if you happen to blink in the moment he starts combo YOUR DEAD. If any build can kill someone in 1 sec please make it HIGH RISK HIGH REVARD, not DROP COMBO use GODMODERepeat combo. Thats just plain stupid. I play every class i can see that in case of warriors right now with zerk meta they go all in! They need to deal insane dmg and cc before someone kills them, same goes for thief if he gets knocked its auto death. Even dumb insane dmg Mesmer with pu if gets rupted will be sqashed like a bug. But when we apply it to Ele and Burnguard its like ele has insane defensive potential with whole CC on earth blinds/evade on fire stun/knock/weakness on air chill and heal on water… Other bullkitten is whole burnguard killing all joy in pve. Most of them just run Sword/Focus(for more blocks) get insane burn in 1 sec combo, runs away with godmodes and repeat combo till someone is dead. I know i should mark them and force my team to focus burnguards and eles but it JUST takes SO MUCH TIME to kill them while they deal thier dmg. It’s even easier to kill PU mesmer than focus Ele.

Supreme.3164:

aggelos r.5387:

I heard all time players complain about the machmaking does anyone though that they are the problem, every time the others are the noobs and they are just the unlucky .
Before sometime i have 4 wins in a row in the 5th game a player complaining about the machmaking and he loose 10 games in a row of course we loose the game, now tell me he was so unlucky or he was the problem;

So…I manage to win majority of team fights I cap/decap with a staff build, I ress people, stop stomps, end up with 3x more pts than the rest of my team where 1-2 people have 0 pts 4-5m into the match…and I am the kittening problem?

My queue wait is 6m+ and on average as solo player I will lose 9 matches out of 10, the players I get…are impossibly bad, no word to describe how bad they are; most of them will literally die the sec an enemy looks in their direction, dunno how many times I get the combat medic title….

Not even if you try , you can make a worst system than this…

I feel ya mate. Every weekend casuals go ranked(i dont even know why they cant just go unrank) and im placed with them to balance them off… Problem is no matter how good i play there is almost to way to solo carry game in pvp. Before i had godlike hambow on warrior or my S/D thief. Now unless i swap to godmode ele i wont have “close game” i had teams that can lose 4v2 scenarios for some reason. I had seen 3x man premades that run together hand in hand to cap close kill svanir and die on mid. Thats why i tought hmm “mby this whole league system will fix it” but i know this is bs, Even if i get legend i will still be used as counterbalance for noobies that will ruin my experience in pvp, wont do kitten to my “nooby” teammates cuz they dont even understand why they lose. There is NO benefit for pve player to learn pvp. They just queue and ruin games till they win. Thats not rly thier fault. Pvp in gw2 is pretty hard and unless you are in guild/team that will teach u basics you wont get kitten from just soloq.
Other problem is whole “mettabattle”. If every build/trait would be seperatly balanced around pvp then there would be no forcing someone to copycat build from mb. Right now only like 2/3 classes have more than 1 viable build in pvp(cuz rest had to be balanced for pve. like s/p thief dmg on whip, this whole lets buff burning so there will be more conibuilds in pve, that is destroying pvp right now). Even Blizzard with thier WoW used brain and now with new expansion they are making separate “traits” for pvp and pve. ITS EASIER to balance and gives player more options…

Trick is, With impro you can reset tricks cd so for that chance only i feel like i dont need to trait tricks. BT is great, even on low endu regen builds like D/P you still get Vigor and it STEALS STABILITY 1st. Its insane tool to counter kitten like Lichform/Rampage/Plague/Juggernaut/Armor of Earth. 1 condi clear on trickster its not even worth considering cuz you must be mad to use heal(even with lower cd) to clear 1 condi when you can JUST restealth to clear 2 condis…

TL:NR
BT>Trickster

Atleast someone reads Revenant forums. There wasnt any red post on thief forums since ages…

MatthiasL.5346:

Just don’t pay attention to it. I played thief s/d in ranked and heard sb#5 from enemy thief while he was in stealth. I expected his bs, so I dodged “randomly” then I saw “missed” and dodged again (and ofc he missed again). Few minutes later I saw his SR and dodged again while he missed… Was reported for that…

Had almost same exp Anet wont let us make addons but they made audio sounds for everything, i you listen you can even hear backstab right before hit.

I was reported for evading shadow shots from invis and the funniest thing was that i backstabbed same thief in his invis to death cuz he telegraphed his position. Had like 30min flamewar on priv later and got blocked reported cuz “i wont talk withkittenhackers”

Had 450ap(new player) Mesmer in team, he started flaming thief for stealth build…

Bunker Thief can lose everypoint cuz he heals with invis

NinjaEd.3946:

Mefiq.7039:

D/P is and always will be better that D/D

Think people would like to disagree and make them equal. Everyone knows d/p is better, but it shouldn’t always be better, otherwise what is the point of allowing such a set? Aesthetics? I prefer to think d/d is more skill based and should have a higher reward given the higher risk.

Ask devs why they trying to remove all fun from thief. Day and night buffs on dumb ranger and 0 fixes to thief and again even less viable builds

Thief
Only 1 viable build, almost 0 cc, dies from every AoE, dies in teamfight if not used right in 1 sec, Nice burst dmg, almost 0 sustain, Possibilty for Invis ambush plays high skillcap almost no condi cleanse, great in escapes,can be pain in kitten to finnish off.

Ranger
Many good builds, insane Trap condi, insane CC spam (taunt knock fear taunt again 3secstun/daze knock from pet) nice survi, good panic button"signet of stone" low skill cap can be played by total kitten and still does well, good survi, averange condi cleanses, not that great in escapes(unless you yolo GS away), mot many “sudden” burst but every skill feels like nice hit. Sometimes “Random” DMG spikes from pet/GS2 skills that makes you wonder how the kitten did this hit this hard. Always is pain in kitten to finnish off.

Why ask for build on thief when thief got rly only 1 build. D/P, sorry mate if you want to “create your playstyle” you need to play mesmer ele or engi.

D/P is and always will be better that D/D
As power build on D/D you get useless dancing dagger and useless deathblossom, and hard to land CnD.
Vs
Dp gives you Daze on demand, easy (bit more expensive but safer)invis, blind on demand, another gapcloser WITH ANOTHER blind with dmg that is just so good.

Trick is There is nothing that D/D can do that D/P wont do better, when you have many things from rupting to controlling enemies with blind that d/d wont ever be good at.

And please dont even get me started on Condi thief, its a myth, it existed long long ago and went to the trashbox, same goes with S/D and S/P.

And before you ask, P/P is utter kitten, burns all your initiative to deal dmg(since only 1 skill deals dmg) has almost 0 survi and DEALS WAY LESS dmg than any long/mid range spec, thief using Shortbow smart will deal much more dmg in like 4/5 sec, while controlling enemies with weaknes combo and evading kitten with 3.

Maruder Shiro spec- Only class in game that thief can just outdmg brawling. no need to stealth no need to backstab, just stay in place and autoattack

@Zero Day
S/D- kittenton of evades + instant endu regen with signet + shadowsteps on demand

Shiro-kittenton of evades(if you dont plan to deal dmg you can always spam it, but guess what, after evade from his 1st utility he cant do kitten cuz u just burned whole energy to stunbreak/evade so go ahead and autoattack next 3 sec to get to the “healthy” lvls of energy) 0 Evade on dmg spell Quickness on demand pretty nicely working shadowstepps. BUT BUT BUT worst problem with shiro that S/D never had is that you cant do everything, If you need to evade you cant quickness, if you go 2x Dash you wont evade

Ofc Swords skills are flashy and look like S/Dance but still thier usage is soo diferent from flanking. S/D Could just always deal(not insane) dmg while evading enemies, when shiro can evade enemies or deal dmg(mostly die from trying)

TheLastNobody.8319:

Thieves….I hate thieves horribly. They are literally the most broken profession in the game with the amount of stealth and mobility they have. Bypassing dungeon paths, having great damage, which I understand, their your assassin/ninja archetype, I’m fine with that, in general I hate those types of characters and play styles because they’re boring to fight against. But the thief is the worst offender I’ve come across, I think mainly because well, in other games like monad, I fight off an assassin, he has to go home heal, his cool downs will be down. Thief. Unless you kill him. It always feels like a loss because he’ll be back with dull health and initiative, while you are still waiting on cool downs, making you less effective for the next team fight. Luckily they have lost a bit of their bite since the spec patch.

Mesmers I would say are second, but a very far second.

U never realised that when they stealth and run they wont cap your point nor deal any dmg cuz they need to reset fight? Its annoying yes but thief is nothing more than a mosquito in 1v1. Unless your bad and die from thief there is nothing for him to do than run away.

Axe 5 bugged when you try to hit something higher than you (on treb)

You guys didnt played shiro dont you? Its totaly diferent than S/D, ofc he had evade + endu regen thats all you get close to s/d + its only evade backwards and it costs 35Energy which is A LOT, none of Rev weapon skills have evade nor godmode.
Other thing that is close to s/d is that if bursted it cant recorver and its kitten vs condis even with demon stance…

Trap ranger/Condi Mesmer/Any Mesmer/Burn Noobguard/zerker engi

All of my hate. Builds that take almost no brain to use…

1v1 is dumb idea cuz classes are balanced looking teamwise most of class in 1v1 are much stronger than others, some have “hard counters” some do not, some require brain some do not.

There can be always Capture the flag mode, Attack/Defence mode and so many other modes know from other games. There can be even 12 vs12 huge contest map with 10 points

Its not that thief need CC to be strong, thief always was and always will be the “cunning” one that need to outplay his enemies, our only problem is that every class got huge dmg buff and most of condi builds got viable again.
Thief dmg is ok not to strong not to low, problem is that our cleanse and survi relays on stealth, sicne evades got nerfed hard nothing other pays off.

We dont need new control mechanics, we need new options to protect ourselfs from insane dmg every other class can drop on us. Change this idiotic “feline grace” Change Acro to be real defensive trait line that would make you think before chosing SA. Right now even S/D thiefs go SA…

What we need is godmode for 1 sec for each hit(or after 3rd chan of combo) we do on back of our target
Flat Endurance regen on each sword hit
Evade on dumb heartseeker

Deathblossom revorked
Dancing dagger revorked
Pistols TOTALY revorked
Bow is fine- best thief weapon right now
I would add 100range to flanking strike.

xDudisx.5914:

From hardest to easiest:

1)Engi
2)Ele
3)Necro
4)Thief
5)Ranger
6)Guardian
7)Mesmer
8)Warrior

1st off. Engi and Ele are mostly rotation classes, learn rotation repeat till you win.
I wouldnt put mesmers so low on the list, Aside from PU mesmers that are perma invis most powerbuilds on mesmers still requires a lot of knowledge. Warrior yes its easy to start with but kinda hard to master. Ranger would be 8 in my list, totaly brain dead with some builds require standing in 1 point and autoattacking enemy to death (as long as you take beastmastery you will be GOD in 1v1), Guards especially shoutguards are only easy on paper, in reality managing condis on whole team isnt easy job. Thief is kittenly cuz it is less effective in fights than any other class. With necro i dunno, necro is rly strange for new players to play sometimes it feels easy sometimes it feels like i cant do much as necro.
Real list:
1)Thief
2)Engi
3)Mesmer
4)Necro
5)Guardian
6)Warrior
7)Ele
8)Ranger

Hard counters hard counters, I can see that Silv knows nothing about thief, by far if THIEF DOESNT want to fight there is no way for burnguard to ever kill him, noobs says that its 60 sec condi clean but as long as thief restealths every 3 sec he can cleanse 2 condis every 3 sec that is enough to not die from burn guard, i know noobies cant play well i know when noob dont know how to play they switch from thief to something that requires less thinking like burnguards. I know u guys like your burns and dmg you deal, aoe teamfight pressure you have, thats the strongpoint of burnguard, whats a problem is this class itself with this build is EASY as kitten and rly hard to deal with even with mentioned “HARD COUNTER OMG SO HARD TO WIN VS” necro. Necro drops signet too early you will burn him alive in his own DeathShround. Why Cuz necro dont rly have good condi cleanse, ofc they can controll your buffs and apply condis like crazy. but once signet is off you can drop your combo for the win.
I play every class simply with your dumb “hardcounter way of thinking” I started as Thief so i know this class the best. When i see something stomping me on any class i go to that class recreate thier build and try to see weakpoints. Problem with guards is that even if they spec for dmg they still have insane ways to stay alive/be support/annoy enemy. I also see that some builds requre less skill and thinking than others to get same results (like brain dead trap ranger). You can say u like burnguard but please dont go ahead and try to convice ppl that it is so hard to play, with burn buffed burnguards can often dish out more dmg than any “power burst” build in the game. Tone down burning dmg a kittenange thier length so it wont spike and start be “real condition dmg” and im more than happy.
And for real stop this Thief hate, only cuz you guys dont need to use brain to win vs thief of your lvl doesnt mean there arent thiefs that cant stomp your kitten .
Also rethink this whole “hardcounter class” bullkitten. There are many classes in this game right now that dont hardcounter kitten. Only when we have something that is insanely op we are starting to find a way to win vs something that kills us easily, same way i wrote before about shield warriors and dumbfire, it was OP so the build countering it get created, guard and ele is so strong? BOOOM WE HAVE NECRO NOW.
Thiefs used to be good vs Mesmers but everyone know the state of todays game.

Saiyan.1704:

Do you even Guardian?

Steal is an instant attack with 0 cast time
Whirling Wrath is a 3/4 cast time.

If you like to further compare apples to oranges you will realize that one is red and the other is… you guessed it, Orange.

I dont know if you are serious or just dumb, Start your WW and after 3/4 cast time use JI CUZ IT DOESNT BREAK ur animation (like steal) both are instant and both guarantee hit on enemy

Silv enemy team doesnt need to be bad, as long as (Previously stated by Saiyan) you stack 5 stack of burn(about 1,4k dmg each tick) each 5 sec aoe(that is not your " BEST SCENARIO WHEN STARS ARE ON YOUR SIDE") You still dish out insane dmg, way more than any other non rampage enemy. You all say that it doesnt work often its not optimal ETC, yet you play this build… Why? Cuz it DOMINATES enemies that blink or dont pay attention for 1 sec. You guys love to see enemies that cant do kitten about fact that even if they cleanse they will still get burn, if not 2 sec kill it will be 10 sec kill. Dont say that evey class can 1v1 burnguard, YES i can also win duel as S/D thief, that doesnt change fact that i need to be 100000x better than my enemy to win with this build. Just spamming around burns is enough to make your enemy try his best cuz its totatly brainless build that needs real skills to counter.

We can get nerfed our insane vigor uptime, acrobatic line is op, S/D hits way to hard, they can revert heartseeker to 3 years ago when even if enemy wasnt moving it just wouldnt land hit. Trust in Anet, there is still much to break and it will be broken.

Remember ninjapatch that gave you revealt status after 1 stack of stealth endend making thief unplayable? That was only test to destroy us but it hit mesmers too so Anet coulndt let it just “stay”.

mompen.7952:

Barab.9016:

cant wait for all the easy mode want to be thiefs to break down in tears rage quitting when they cant have their easy mode 1200 range sniper elite

^
It’s pretty obvious that it will be pretty OP playing a shadowstepping sniper.
“Pew pew pew”
Enemy approaches
Shadowstep away
“Pew pew pew”
Enemy dead

THAT IS SO REWARDING GAMEPLAY GUYS! CAN’T WAIT FOR IT TO HIT LIVE.

Power ranger
“Pew pew pew”
Enemy approaches
SIGNET OF STONE
“Pew pew pew”
Enemy dead

Enemy not dead?
Switch to GS and maul them for 7k+taunt on pet
Enemy still not dead?
Stun/daze them with 5 and maul again since it has almost no cd
Enemy still not dead?
Switch + knock
“Pew pew pew”
Enemy 100% dead

Hows that rewarding playstyle? And yet it exists
you realise that when thief can shadowstep and get invisible

Ranges can regen for insane amounts have acces to blocks/protection/great CC and godmode on signet? Yet no one seems to say that ranger is op and great for meta…

Rifle thief that invis around to relocate would be great, woud make THIEF TRAPS be meaningful again. All you need to do is give them insane dmg on long range and rly bad dmg on close range. Same thing rangers on lb should get. Every skill buffed on 900+ range with dmg every skill nerfed when hits in less than 450 range.
It would create great playstyle to force to make choices, do you swap to melee cuz your rifle wont do kitten, or you restealth to reposition and risk fact that enemy gets you/gets his strong cds back.