Guild Wars 2

So we are acting like there is ANY tutorial to pvp? This Joke map we call tutorial that even 1st timmers skip?
In both rankeds/unrankeds you have time to adjust your build so “we need to make sure players understand that they are in diferent buildset” is not even worth fixing. This is like 1time error that player can make, And with proper matchmaking(HAHAHAHAHHAHAH) player like this should be queued with players on same(0) skilllvl to have fun, instead queueing him with Veterans(that you guys forced to go Unranked). Whats even funnier is fact that you can always make “status” like in gw1 stating: “You are now in pvp! Your skills/build/ has been normalized to pvp type” I know players that dont even know that they can pvp with lvl 1(and these are pve Veterans) nothing stated this fact when they 1st went in pvp.
And my true wish is that devs will see problem with balancing game pvp/pve/wvw wise in same time and will split traits/weapons balancing to 3 diferent teams. SO we will have 100000000000000000000000000000DMG burn and condi in pve and MODERATE not INSANE dmg in pvp. Beeing lazy and normalizing every stat/trait for every type cuz “new players will not have fun” is rly rly dumb move. These new players will soon become regulars and stop playing this game, cuz all you guys care for is “NEW PLAYERS” Vets get kitten on by every balance patch. Buffed Burning, Sinister Engi viable in pve… Pvp destroyed cuz 70% of playerbase went easymode burnYolo…

Ragnarox.9601:

Roy Dreadstorm.2093:

yep … because of this type of guy we got nerfed x) incredible
dude just lemme tell u something , if u die against a druid support dat goes condi with sword/torch , u’r just a very bad player , this spec is not meant to kill , it’s meant to assist

zinkz.7045:

Are these 3 guys imbeciles by any chance and unaware of concepts like CC, because if not, 3 players > 1 druid.

There are 2 druid build that are god mode 1 on 1 and 1 vs many. Why are you not familiar with it? Well those ppl wont give you their builds ( I know I wont) couse it would be nerfhammered

DH is easy to counter : put some condi pressure and he’s down.
cele reaper
cele scrapper
cele tempest
???
counter DH easily.

YE guys! LETS ALL ROLL REAPERS SCRAPPERS AND TEMPESTS, 3 classes out of?
I can see that you want to repeat bs that was wrote 100000x times by Cele Ele

“CELE ELE IS FINE, IT CAN BE COUNTERED! 1 Necro build has like 50%winrate vs him so ITS definitly not broken” I bet you- guardian players were in line shouting “nerf Cele ele!” “NURF iT! OP!” Yet when meta shifts to DH vs DH Counters its TOTALY FINE…

Soon in esl. Everyteam will bring 1/2Dh and 1/2 Dh counters + bunker. Fun fun fun to watch… Thieves? Mesmers? Do they even exist?

its rly hard to disagree with OP. +1

Pure zerk with 0 survi with signet of shadows without proper condi cleanse… Dude you make me sick, i consider you on same lvl as any P/P thief that deserve to lose. Just cuz u lucky crit once on Ranger that will survive it anyway and put weakness on you and make u deal less dmg than archer creep on stronghold.
WOW 1 CRIT so STRONG THIEF is FINE, lets ignore all these years of pain, getting kittened hard by condi dmg. Thief is FINE.

P.S. You still dealt less dmg than DH traps.

D/D condi thief with venomshare is basically only way you will ever be needed in Raids. any other than condi gonna be pretty much kicked.

hahah You guys still dont see that anet doesnt like high risk high reward playstyle simply cuz players not understanding risk factors of other classes tend to whine something is overpowered.
There are classes that require skill and taking risks like mesmer or thief that are basically beeing destroyed by anet. Have you guys seen any thieves or daredevils in ESL? Mee Too…

There are classes that require almost no brain to be good at, no understanding of enemy class, that with single button can force whole enemy team to start playing defensivly. And Guards like how anet threats them, buff here and there, it took them kittenload of time to see how bugged DragonMaw is.

There are things you can overcome with skill in this game, but sadly there are also just things you will always fail no mather how good you are and how bad enemy is.

Ever tried to solo DH as Thief? there is almost no chance to win, best you can do is reset fight and GTFO, cuz he will just destroy you with traps and CC, Once yoy get dragonmawed is GG, if you get Trapped by Test you wont be able to Shadowstepp cuz for some reason Anet things its ok if TELEPORT AWAY from CAGE should KNOCK me/burn me/1shot me.

COMPARE any spell on any class to backstab. It wil be fun ride.

play Guard its easy… Thief is paper, thief is most hated class by anet, thief is slowy dying now(playerbase wise).

evilapprentice.6379:

Thieves are also still missing the 10% base healing power buff that Withdraw supposedly got in the June 23rd patch.

cuz it got stolen…

BA DUMM TSSS

just give me /resign commands please… I know game stability is big pile of s. and my internet connection is not better. There is just no point in playing pvp risking dishonor if i dc or game crashes(happens 3/4times a day) simply stop playing pvp go have fun with raids till you see 2nd patchnote: fixed game crash… Before is not worth risk guys.

Just add 2nd toughtness stat that reduces condi dmg… so casters would have great survi vs condi and bad vs psyh/medium armor should have middle ground/Harmor should be great vs psyh and bad vs condi… But dont worry, there is no way that will ever happen.

1st if all its daredevil trait, that means it should provide “new” playstyle for us and allow us to stay in fight longer, problem is 1 condi clear doesnt cut it. Even if you evade and this game registers it as “evade” cuz if you evade preemptively it just wont work. Game is punishing you for reading enemy and forces you to wait till last milisec to evade so it will be registered. Lets wait next 3 years for new spec for thief that will rly provide new playstyle…

intended. Shadowstep is not teleport but “rly fast movement”, just another thing that destroys thief. No1 cared 3 years ago no1 will now. As thief you CANT TEAMFIGHT/1v1/Skirmish if enemy starts dropping aoe. Almost EVERY AOE skill outdmgs your skills, only favour vs them that you have to abuse is that you can pretty much burst for average dmg any given time(while risking all of your hp) whole time you will spend in fight should be 3 sec that you are visible after Backstab when you are +1 at fight, so when you run away team wont suffer lower numbers. Dont bother to even use SR even with 25% dmg reduc you will still get killed in 1 sec.

i rly want to see some class just destroy guards so they will start crying on forum. Too bad there is no class that can even compare to amount of bs this class has in thier disposal… Even when meta was somehow healthy Medi guard were bursting enemy with UTILITY SKILLS. Not weapon not f1/f2/f3 Utility + traits were singlehandly bursting enemy to the ground. Then burnBuff came and guards got thier hands on another bs. better ring of fire that once you cross it and dont condi clear(that can easily be forced on you cuz he can pretty much “burn” your condi clear before)it will deal around 17k DMG. ANd its 1 Utility skill alone buffed by 2/3 traits. No need to bother even using weapons. I could still go STAFF/GS for fun and kill ppl with Utilities alone. Now we get DH, and guess what? Longbow is rly powerful, but we wont even see that cuz most of dh’s arent even using it properly, Spam traps – wait for enemy spam traps on them once they get dragonmawed(dragon maw most fun skill, if i dodge to evade it i will still get walled i will just dodge dmg/slow and once walled even if this skill disapears(on some graphical options this skill is often invisible)you still get 1 sec on wall near you. And not only that. Teammates that didnt get cought will still get knocked by “invisible wall”. Fix this shi….

I just want that Every class should somehow be ballanced around amout of CC/AOE/SURVI. Cuz once you get class with every cc every aoe and every survi this is getting out of hand…

and it happens pretty often…

6x out of 10 i get crashed after AB meta event, getting random dc in pvp + gw2.exe prevents me to get in till i swap my ip… And this is like 2 years old problem occuring not only on my pc

No cc on me, no immo, can jump/rotate my charr easily but cant move till i roll. Happens on necro and thief…

DH is fun, if you get dragonmawed you are basically dead.

TehHobNob.4687:

1v1ed a friend in the guild arena for fun. My marauder dare devil (I play aggressive no shadow arts) and his cele Druid. We had food on so we could see how long it took. It went back and forth but he finally got me down after almost exactly 20 minutes. We were relaxing/getting bored. So obviously need to buff Druid dps :p that weakness is a kitten tho.

Your freind needs to get bristle pet and proper traitlines. I can 1shot you with bristle f2 on quickness

For some reason i got invisible spore, and i cant add it to DarkHarvest collection, it got added to thief collection instead. do i rly need to drop it multiple times? Or should it just get added to my item collection?

Thieves needs to stay in shadow-

get it?

hhahah thats was funny!Devs will start to consider fixing thieves after next ESL when it will be less picked class than warrior. AOe dmg scale with hot went out the charts so REZBOTS cant REZZ anymore with all this nuke. They had to see 2x Rev stacking boons on Reaper to consider fixing blighter boon. It feels like game is going to be balanced around 5v5 high end pvp so if you are still learning and dont have full 5 stack, we have 2 other gamemodes for you.

mmr is 1 thing there is a bigger problem! Game is so unstable that every game team with less dcs wins. thats just absurd, everyday 10-12 games 4v5 3v5

If ppl say Thief got perma dodge then they didnt saw what shiro can do.

Anet sees thief only as 1 thing. Runner! Daredevil is whole spec dedicated to running away, 99%1v1 fights you will be forced to do guess what? Run. Everyone will tell you that you role is to fight 2v1 3v2 3v1 but thats just BS. in 3v1 even total noob playing any class would be effective just by clicking autoattack. Thief needs to go 2v1 cuz hes utter kitten and cant be compared to any other class in terms of 1v1.

If hes dumbhunter he will stay in traps like moron. Try running around and spamming clusters on him. Remember to weakness combo him before engage!

Krait is fun if you run low cd elite

If you want to play HoT, then no. Thief range options are pretty bad even with buffed pistols, Thief will die in melee from almost any mob. If you want to tryhard even in pve then go ahead, I dont enjoy getting killed by almost every mob.

Dungs/Fractal wise thief is probably on top of dmg chart.

5days now, everyday DC/Highping/Dc, most of my guildmates have same problem. 5 games in row got dc/leaver in team cuz ppl get DC for no reason.

I hope Anet will give every class this kind of spell, Dodge or die! You See Blue swords?/Fire?/Red Fire? You better roll or get hard hitted/BURNED TO 0 hp/burned a bit(nerfed ;( )
When it was op on ele cuz every time you ran past it you will get 3xburn that can stack to insane numbers, on Guard all you needed is for enemy to pass it once and get burned to the death. Now cuz most “morons”(Guardians) cant seem to play medi without this kind of spell they got fun trap that will deal direct unblockable dmg everytime enemy passes trough. Fun and balanced skill that can force on any weapon any enemy to roll before you cast it.
Dont you guys think that always sayind “you can dodge it” to player that has 2bars of endurance and nerfed by anet endu regen is bs? Well i know Guards can block for eternity but not every class is guardian, open ur F eyes. There should be reward for playing well, not just for playing. And dumbhunters are best example how to not balance any range class in game. Anet tried hard to break Rangers but they failed, even with pets 1shotting enemy rangers still werent meta, thank god thier research payed off.

How to win vs DH as Thief,

1. You run into dh
2. turn 180 and run away(dont let him see you cuz u will die)
3.fast go to character screen
4.Delete thief
5.Create DH
6.Teleport on him and drop every trap. Remember to have f3 on
7.Watch him die from traps
8…
9.Profit

Ye, even if you hit him from behind it should still block, thats why he has HUGE kitten shield in front of him.

Thief is op, it hits 3k/3k/3k autoattack chain with insane dmg + evade on 3rd skill, kittenton of blocks and sustain, HE CAN EVEN EQUIP STAFF and knock/block/heal!
Thats how op thief is! aaa not, i was talking about Revs!!~!$@!$!

Ragnarox.9601:

True shot needs death sentence – if attack hits there’s 30% chance to kill player. So ppl would dodge that thing

with 70% critchance its 70% deaths sentence :P

TheGuy.3568: Range them down…

LoL. thats all i have to wrtite.

@Carighan.6758 just cuz i can run away from it doesnt mean its not problematic, why you call build that force almost every enemy to running and disengaging ok.
If you say kitten about counter builds then what is counter build for condi mesmer asumming he fights vs META builds and both players are same skill lvl. What you will see is that adding condi dmg to stealth is gamebreaking, condi thief is total garbage and i hope it will stay this way, same should be mesmer. Any class that have perfect offence(dmg that as we stated before cannot be perfectly countered, will always deal some dmg) and perfect defence(godmodes/stealth/blink[where blink can ofc force enemy to move his kitten to you dealing even more dmg from torment]) There is only 1 thing that rly kills mesmers, and killed older version of powerbuild mesmers, and its condi dmg. Condi counter condi so lets play condi so we win vs condi and other build wont matter.

And yes, any build that is build around dealing direct dmg is way healthier and way better for skilled play. You need to pay attention, be up and personal vs your enemy, trading dmg here and there. Smart ppl will win worse will lose. But no, we can always go easy buttonsmasher condi builds cuz not everyone is smart, we need something for dumb ppl. And thats why pvp is slowy dying, new players see “hard” pvp with “easy ways to play”, or we say GW2 pvp is great cuz its challenging or we say “hey, look, there are 5 aoe condi spells, drop them on enemy and watch them die.”

There is 5v5 stack with proper teambuild and there is SOLOQ. In soloQ builds like burnguards and Condimesmer happen to outright autowin only cuz enemy doesnt have enough cleanse teamwise. If Devs decided that, HEY MESMERS! Every 3rd game you will have 100%lose chance so YOU better learn other classes or get rekt. You would make kittenstorm there. I would see letter to devs staying that "100% lose every 3rd match is too much! that its not "skilled"" Yet you guys still defend condi mesmer for the sake of diversity builds. OK Get you condi mesmer but make it work like Burn Engi or Necro, Skill play over dumb drop condi every sec like dumbGuard. I hope you guys get Condispike dmg that when used right will decimate enemies, but there should be always 2 players paying attention! Mr. MEsmer needs to watch Enemy and enemy needs to watch Mesmer. Not same way COndi mesmers and burnguards works. “I dont care i just spam same kitten over and over till my enemy is dead” Thats JUST DUMB and NOT HEALTHY for PVP, when 1 player needs to play well and other just need to roll his face over keyboard.

Saiyan.1704:

BlackBunny.3681:

A good DH will not lose to any other spec, apart from a full druid support that can outheal and pop invul while the DH is bursting with traps. If you have having trouble on DH then its a l2p issue.

Ahem… Scrapper and Revs eats them for breakfast. Revs can obliterate them in team fights. People say Druids too but I’ve yet to actually duel one >.<.

it is only me or Rev is much easier to counter. even as thief i can still rupt his spells, he has 450 cast range on UA, and when he blocks i restealth.
Vs Dh i need to have godlike reflex to evade traps and Dh shotting at me.
While Rev is bs cuz he can force me to double roll on UA, after ua hes not the same threat.
DH forces me to be prepared for trapbomb and to everysingle shot, 1st steal will be negated by trait, followed by knock trait, followed with 9k dmg trueshot into instant trap placement.
Another dumb build that gives you “Run or die” feeling, problem is that this one has 1200 range to shot you in the back.

Well, When Rev is using Hammer you can attack him, its not like he got traps somewhere waiting for 1hit combo… Even if Hammer 2 dealt 1000000000 dmg i would still consider it garbage for pvp, Slow cc slow weapon, unlike certain spec that can nuke you from range cc you from range then trap you for 100000 hp with kittenton of blocks.

@Fay.2357 i never said i had problems with condi mesmers, but just cuz you wont die from it it doesnt mean its healthy build for game

@Ross Biddle.2367 AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!! THATS WHAT IM TRYING TO TELL YOU O GREAT PLAYERS, The truth has spoken! You go vs Condi mesmer? SORRY DUDE you must run or die… Stealth and Disengage, pop your healing signed and run away.

Now think about objectives that you need to defend/assault in conquest and add 1 build that can render you useless/force you to run what we get? Trebs that need to be contested 2/3 vs 1 mesmer(that will portal remake it instantly) Ability to force more than 1 dude to defend lord vs 1 mesmer(making mesmer team win 4v3).
I know you guys will always say “cant beat it! Run! Disengage!” butthere are times When you are FORCED to fight this dumb build and if you are melee class then RIP.

I dont see thief hate threads… Cuz thief is garbage compared to other classes
I dont see warrior hate threads… Cuz Warrior is garbage compared to other classes

Yet everyday i see 100000 DH nerf plz threatds, Dont you guys think that THIS HAS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH DH? Look last ESL 1st match on NA. Radioactive 2x Trap DH cleaving bunkers like butter with traps only.

HURRR DUURRR TRAPS CAN BE COUNTERPLAYED yet 1 of TOP TEAMS IN NA couldnt rly counter play them in teamfights… i bet its L2p issue…

^^ There is no need to play better when playing condi is soooo easy. Its not like i can do direct dmg, go stealth and watch my enemy die while trying to fins/cleave me.
Add 2 things:
Stealth- counter play: Moving around and cleaving
Conf + Torment stacks: Cleanse or not moving around and cleaving.

Add this both and what you get? Condi mesmer, spec that will lock you down unless you bring 10000000000000000 condi cleanses or teammates with shouts.

""""
Rofl,

It’s like “Mitigate that incoming power burst with endure pain/invuln”,
“but wait, they can burst again before my CD’s are up!”
“Bah, Power bursts can be applied to regularly, such cancer, much wow.”

"""
You can Weakness to lessen direct dmg hard there are kittenton of spells that BLOCK direct dmg.

What we get vs condis? Berserk stance? some cleanses? I love when you all seem to think its ok and “skillful” way of playing this game when you run condi builds… If it was playstyle like old good necro then ok, i would say that YES it’s rly hard yet rewarding if played right. What you want is buff for already nobrain build that relays only on spamming same spells over and over again and restealthing, no mather of what enemy, what point, and where doing same thing OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. Fun and skillfull. I like devs that try to kill it before it grows. Confusion and Torment should be punishing dmg but not main source of dmg. Shutting down almost every melee class with 1 brainless build should never be alowed.

Im bad mesmer but i enjoy chrono, it gives way more options to setup mesmer combos, wells can change teamfight around. Still not used to shield but f5 into chaos storm into chaos storm is just great.

There is cleanse and there is constantly adding another condi stacks.
Same thing burnguards were saying about “just CLEANSE”. Trick is fact that this is not oldschool condi necro that droped condi bomb on you and then throwed more “lesser” condis to make sure you wont cleanse them. Old condi was way more skillful. You had to pay attention to enemy evades and cleanses. NOW ITS ENEMY that needs to pay attention to condis cuz its so easy to apply and so hard to actualy negate.
Same kitten over and over in this forum, burnguards said thier build is “balanced” while stacking everlasting burns, you can cleanse once, twice, yet in the end you will get burned and you will feel the power. Same goes for other braindead condi builds.
Burn Engis are 1 trick ponny to counter cuz they DROP 1 insane stack then they have to wait for next powerspike, they cant drop 3 burns every 3 sec like burnguard.
ANd there goes Mesmer… Scepter + Torch + Staff allows you to constantly apply conditions, there is no “SUDDEN BURST” but there is also no no way to actualy cleanse everysingle condition this dumb build can drop on enemy.

Speaking things like “you should run with shout guard or shoutbow in team” is also not new. I love when everyone! Even devs! Expect everyone to run with condi cleansing teammates only cuz they play broken kitten and easy builds like condi.

Thats why Condi mesmer should never get buffed, its bad for already sick pvp gametype. God kitten i remember days that out of 10 teams i saw in spvp 9 were 80% condi based + thief or shoutguard, everyone wants to abuse condis for easy wins and i cant blame you- mesmers, that you also want to have 1 click win button like guards, but sorry. Spvp got enough of this.

You can always look at class names to think what they are about:

GUARDians are there to deal insane dmg
RANGErs are there to crit 9k with greatsword
WARriors are there to look nice in heavy armor
Etc.

Condi Mesmer thread.
Thx for summoning me! Speaker of Truth! Lets keep condi mesmers not viable cuz it’s as bad for game as ministrel amulet, boring dumb and promotes no skill=reward playstyle that destroys and sucks out every bit of fun. Lets hope there will be no 2nd comming from burnguards and no 1st comming from condi mesmers. Players will sleep more soundly that way.

LostHunter.2845:

I hope you are joking, you really want to make thief op spam bot? i can do a lot with 12/15 ini with 20 yeah that would be insane. Dodge that doesnt use endurance on evade??? u want us to kill them with bounding dodger. you can only dream to get these things

if enemy is dumb and cant stop attacking me till i waste endurance he deserves to lose. Why its only thief that needs to count dodges and do things perfectly? Game wont punish any other class why it punishes thief so hard…

SlayerSixx.5763:

Mefiq.7039:

Aeolus.3615:

btw what happens if u guys cough a guardian with all traps on cd?

We are dead, He just put traps and killed whole party.

And seriously now. DH will stack kittenton of Blocks and Godmodes to stay till next trap comes off cd. Please dont say 20 SEC is BIG cd, cuz as a thief i will LAUGHT MY kitten OFF.

You play thief and find traps to be an issue? I farm dragon hunters 1v1 on my thief. You literally play hokey-pokey with shadow step and bam, he’s defenseless. If he just arrived on point, even better. Shadow step is literally the best skill in the game for dealing this aside from rev hammer 3.

You can evade you can try, as long as DH hits you once you will amost sure die. Its still MEDIGUARD, same mediguards that could instakill thief with utilities… Played DH whole day now. Died some times to other dh and once to chronomancer(my bad, if i had 2nd fight i would easily win) Other deaths were like 2/3 ppl chasing me down hard. There was NOT A SINGLE thief that could kill me, Only 1 got me to low hp cuz he reflected trueshot to me… But its not only thief, There was no engi that could kill me, no rev, no ranger/druid, no warrior(especially not warrior) IT WAS SO EASY, SO PAINFULLY easy that i didnt rly wanted to swap chars to do dailes. Only games i lost were like DOUBLE thief in team or afker/leaver/ragekid. Its even funnier cuz only on my dh i keep 1 “packet of salt” just in case someone says that DH is op. And i will abuse this class/spec till devs see stats and consider nerfing it to the ground.

Nerf Warrior dmg buff utilities. or let Warrrs EQ 2x GS so they can use 200blades!

Jokes aside, Warr weaps if hit they HURT, HURT alot, and is till belive that with good player and high amout of practice good warrior can land those hits. Its not like thief that cant rly win vs anyclass, its more like everyone ealse know how to counter warrior.

Fast hands should never be baseline! Most warriors using this trait doesnt even know thier autoattack animation cuz they just burn every spell – swap – burn every spell- swap.

Fun addition to warr would be 3rd weapon(more powerfull version of normal nerfed ones) in form of kit(f3) that you can toggle anytime you want, Master of Weapons! Give him more weapons! Less no brain lucky 10k crits with GS less cc+insane dmg, more fun with a ways to chose utilities and ways to chose 3 weaps.

Guys from my perspective any spell that forces you to instantly burn 2 dodges is broken. Any class that has rotation like “op spell” block, godmode,evade,evade,evade,evade,block,block from trait,evade,evade,evade,knock with evade “op spell” is broken.
Yes it can be blocked, yes you can even knock rev down on this with SShoes on engi.

I started runnning “nothing can save you” shout on reaper to grind noob revs that only block sword 3 block. but dont you guys think that picking 1 utility only to counter revs and guards is a bit too much? Many classes like thief cant rly counter this. You will all say “hurr durr stealth” but aside from instant stealth d/p combo for stealth takes around 1.25 sec what is enough for rev to deal dmg that will force him to never leave stealth again… BUT DONT WORRY Rev can still force him to leave stealth making it easiest target ever. But lets not talk about class balance, lets wait for Leagues and see what class will be abused most. I can bet that DH and Rev will be in top. Chrono is powerful but hard to play so noobs wont like it, thief risks double thief team so no point in risking it, Aura mancer Tempest and bunker druid gonna be fine…

Dh is balanced. It cant carry 2x thief in team…

You guys are serious?
Every day i got leavers afker and ragers in team, there is no way to punish them so there is no reason to not do the same. IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM JOIN THEM! Anet didnt cared for 3 years why they should care now?

Ruining other players exp. Well there is many ways of ruining players fun, like getting double thief in team dooming game from the start, or playing 5 random vs 5 full stack that leaves options Tryhard or lose.
Afking is easy, Pvp tracks = easy gold/dung tokens so afking is easiest way to get gold. If you afk your team loses faster therefore you can start game faster and lose it even faster!

And about Daredevil/Thief S/D is less effective than doorbreakers, i had seen some RLY insane thieves use it well but still they got sqashed like bugs by other classes.

PvP for thief is D/P or LOSE, dont enjoy it? dont play it! P/p = lose d/d = instalose staff=losing in pain s/d can be strong but still less efective than guard without traits.
Thief is not for kids nor noobs, you wont win kitten if you cant accept fact that even DEVS hate you and want you only to run around map. I had games with 100k dmg done won cuz i were decapping and running around like monkey, knowing fact that i cant 1v1 any class cuz F thief that why…

ALL this time i abused fact that i could solo blue side as thief, Stand on rocks melee wont hit you, you can easy kill both casters without pulling lord(you cant do this on red side). I tought after all this years that devs wanted it this way so 1 team will win way easier…

IF we talk about Maps imbalance then ok! LETS FIX EVERYTHING starting with LoF.
There is 1 place where you can stand near middle ledge from blue side. This place is so fun that even if thief or any other class tries to Teleport to you it will burn spell and do nothing(even magnet pull wont work), engies can burn you with flamethrower from behind the wall, thief shadow shot on gate wont teleport him from max range cuz “not in range” Shortbow 5 on thief fails to register shadowstep on most ledges…

If i remember more i will edit this post. But rly i tought it was intended by devs cuz balance in game is not what we want.

And i bet Kuya they do all that with 0 lifeforce.

Seems legit.

Dragon HUNTER is BALANCED!
Played it hard today, i couldnt carry double thief in team. Other games were easy, so easy it just made my day… All this tryhards trying to play thief warrior engi etc, they dont undestand true balance… Since i run hammer with longbow i can aoe cc enemy so hard that i could burn every stability, then knock and 9k trueshot. Its rly fun! Ppl can’t come near me nor they cant fight vs me in range all i do is use 1 trap- Test of faith then knock with longbow, then pull in with f1 then banish with hammer and JUDGE into Ring of warding. After passing test 3x enemy should be dead or low enough to be 1/2 hitted with hammer. 100% FUN. Whats funnier i dont even need to care. Game wont punish me if i miss my spells as long as trap is under me and 1 in 3 trueshots lands. You cant rly play around trait that knocks cuz IF THIS TRAIT doesnt knock u 1 hit then it will do it next one.

I fought vs daredevil 1v1 he had staff… AND I MUST SAY staff on DD is op! IT Reflected my trueshot almost killing me, thank god i had trap up so i could instantly kill him before he kills me.