Guild Wars 2

BlackDevil.9268:

It’s all the passive effects that saved your kitten 100000 times, not your personal skill. That’s the thing what bothers me with warriors at the moment. They require almost 0 skill, only thing they need is a good build, correct gears and being able to time 1 skill: hammerstun.

Heavy burst will outshine Signet of Healing every time. As shown several times when his health dipped below 50% and had to water blast with the help of the engie. He also timed his dodges well. I hate people getting worked up because Hammer/Mace and a bugged sigil came into the limelight when it’s always been there. Stop throwing around the phrase “No skill” It’s very worn out. Eventually some other class will get buffed, and they will take no skill, and the next and the next, and so on. Just… stop.

If he has 4100 Attack, and 44% crit in PVT gear, I’d say he would be doing anything BUT dragging the run down.

Legend Tells of six individuals who roamed the Darkhaven Borderlands. They are only known as the Tough Ones. I have never seen them myself. But some say 2 of them can take down 9 enemies by themselves. WooOOOWO 2Spook4me!

Rane.4079:

You cannot find a video of every class/spec beating a good D/P thief, if you think you can then that just means you don’t know what a good D/P thief is.

Yes, every class can beat bad/average D/P thieves. This thread is to discuss beating a good D/P thief, a scenario where both players are equally skilled.

Please stop posting nonsense in this thread. By all means please show me these magical videos of Rangers beating good D/P thieves.

I’m not the one with this stigma against D/P thieves. They are not Gods, not even good ones. I think you just have a big chip on your shoulder. As for Ranger Vs. Thief, Do you want it to be recent? most recent I can find is 4 months ago.

Rane.4079:

So much nonsensical replies already, sigh.

Yes, playing well is going to beat a bad thief, I already stated that’s stupid to discuss. We are talking about good players of equal skill. Saying that “any class can beat a good D/P” is just complete nonsense, they can’t. I’m wondering if there is a single spec that can because I assure you most cannot.

“Perma stealth” is not an exploit and they aren’t any lesser of a person than you are for using it. You speak as if leap finisher in a smoke feild is a glitch that ANet didn’t program in intentionally. If anything the D/P theives are just smarter than you because they realise it’s the best roaming spec for Thief. If you want to play D/D or something because you enjoy it, that’s totally fine. But if you refuse to play D/P because you think those players are ‘lesser people’ than you – then you’re just bad (and childish).

Thanks Ross for the Mesmer perspective. I can see how a good condi or hybrid Mesmer would be a pain for them because both classes use very similar mechanics to outmuscle everyone else. I assume neither spec can prevent the other one from fleeing the fight if they want to though?

I can probably find a video of almost every class being a D/P thief. It’s not impossible for an Ele, or a Guardian, or a Engineer, or most any class. Don’t say false crap like no class can beat a good D/P that’s pure bull, and shame on you for believing such.

I’ve fought a lot of thieves as well. I’ve fought some pretty decent thieves, and I’ve fought some thieves that were god awful. D/P is the biggest pain in the kitten thief you will ever fight. It’s near impossible to completely lock a good one down for too long. I’d say the only thing that can be a thief is another thief. that or a hammer Warrior if he learns to time his stun right as the theif pops out of stealth and procede to stunlock him to death unless he shadowsteps away. Honestly, Even if every other type of build were to go extinct, D/P will always be alive simply because it’s so defense with all the offense through blinds only. Plus it’s impossible to kite a D/P thief.

But, um…. Average people playing any classes won’t beat D/P. amazing people playing the right build on almost any class can beat a thief.

You know someone is mad they got one shot when they invite you to a party just to tell you they reported you for hacking LOLOLOL. No names, but If you’re from [BRL], you might have an angry thief among you.

The stuns are fine. It’s the sigil. Honestly, 2s AOE stun is nice, but it isn’t game breaking. Good video. Give me your genesis! I only has Entropy.

I seem to be with OP. I look at Dungeon Finder. While people still ask that you know the run, no one asked for Zerker only, except for in CoF. I’m wearing Zerker gear with Cavalier trinkets. 3k power, maybe 3.5k with the usual 15 stacks of might or so. I forget. I say, as long as you know how to dodge, and your gear isn’t green You should be given a chance.

This is what I hope to have mine look like

Fergie, I think we need to see other people.

FC with the ninja win. Oh well…

Madora.9340:

Glad FC and DH are working together to beat the stuffing out of us last minute. Says a whole lot about you guys*. After we lost the majority of our group at about 3 pm, and you guys* got a sudden surge* of people*, I guess congratulations* are in order in here. Bravo*. Sure showed us.

Feel free to sub in different words where the stars are.

Are you serious right now?

When SF Zerg, they ZERG. And it last from like… maybe 5 PST -10 PST. At least from my current experience from fighting you this week.

Where do SF get these numbers…ugh..

bjchase.3074:

NSP being classy. 1v6ish, guess you need to laugh at the guy being outnumbered. Sorry that is all the fun you can have in this match atm.

Wrong thread

Holy Cow you SF in the BL, you guys are like Rabid Wolves when you manage to find someone by themselves.

I wanted that Warrior from SF the sylvari who runs the cheesy Mace Shield/ GS build to show up. I wanted to crush him, but oh well.

redslion.9675:

apt.9184:

God I just wish they revert warriors back to the old frenzy hb that was good days when kitten players were so easy to spot. I hate now that all these warriors think they are good playing cheesy specs. Oh well I guess I will play DP trickery thief for now since that actually takes skill or maybe evis warrior…

But… But I want to play a tanky, hard to play build.

I’d like the idea of warriors being full of raw power. Juggernauts which are hard to unleash.

I’m sorry, but I always found that build really uncreative.

To me, I like Warriors the way they are now. We get in, we smash stuff up with our wide variety of weapons, we die. Well, I die anyway, but I don’t mind. I like jumping into a large crowd of people and watching numbers fly out of them like blood. Warriors aren’t too complicated, they have a simplicity which is what a warrior should be. Our goal is simple, we kill stuff while being up on the front lines and being hard to kill unless heavily focus, shrugging off splash damage and generally trying to force our way to the backline toward those puny staff eles and necromancers. We’re the bullies, in short.

Crystal Desert, come back and play with DH. Fight night was a bit of a bust like 5 people came QQ

No one but 4-5 people came. Guess they aren’t into it like me… I miss Crystal Desert :L

Or rather maybe our server has lost our fighting spirit

An hour away from the fight night. SF windmill, I’ll be there, if anyone wants to do warm ups while I listen to my music.

alceste.8712:

Raiding creates a ton of problems on gear balance. If you have increased pve gear then you need increasing pvp gear. Otherwise, your pve players end up dominating pvp which is BS. Eventually, gear becomes greater than skill in pvp which is also BS. The situation turns to junk in a heartbeat. Just say no to raiding.

OP didn’t say anything about stat progression, just skins. I sincerely hope if ANET ever did this there would be no stat progression whatsoever, no matter how small.

EDIT: Oh he did say it. Shame on you, OP. People are riled up about ascended Armor as it is.

Well, I guess if you want to leave everything to ANET more than just damage may be needed…. but I doubt it. The players will find a way to make the current meta fit into Raidstyle like they do with almost everything else. If they don’t, MOST of those people won’t play, and then… well I don’t know

tichorum.2415:

Mepheles.2087:

tichorum.2415:

Mepheles.2087:

This game’s style of PvE revolves around 5 Zerker geared players bursting down a boss while ignoring most mechanics. You want 10 (20) more of these trying to burst down a raid style boss? For what? Skins?

They should make you pass a reading test before allowing you to post on the forums. Please re-read and comment again. Thanks.

I read it, then posted, then read the edited OP. I stand by what I Said. Raiding is NOT for this game, currently. It’s not just the zerker argument, it’s the way PvE itself is designed. Raiding in other games is based around the fact that there will be a Tank(s), and Healer(s) and several DPS Dealers, which means hard hitting bosses can hit hard but it can be eaten by Mitigation and healing. Gw2 does not have a healer type nor a tank type or anything like. PvE here revolves around dodging key one shot skills. If raid style mechanics come into play, they must be hard hitting, or extremely fatal so every one doesn’t run damage and brings support and utility.

A raid is like a dungeon except harder and amped up. So DO TELL how it’s not meant for GW2, because there ARE dungeons. GW2 does have classes that can dish out support and damage. And believe it or not, some classes tank damage better than others. You have to coordinate it, hence, raids being more difficult. If this is just something your skill will not allow you to do, please don’t cry about a suggestion.

Now, you’re starting to get angry, saying I’m crying when I’m giving feedback about your suggestion. Yes some classes can eat damage better because of high toughness and boons. And some can bring support skills like Haste and reflections, banners and such. But then, how many guardians would you need for a 10m raiding style dungeon? 2. And they would have to be in Zerker STILL, because they would be lacking damage, which PvE is all about, no matter WHAT coordination a guild can bring.

CryxTryx.9208:

Mepheles.2087:

This game’s style of PvE revolves around 5 Zerker geared players bursting down a boss while ignoring most mechanics. You want 10 (20) more of these trying to burst down a raid style boss? For what? Skins?

Yes lets drag the zerker argument into every post so that we can’t discuss anything constructive.

Zerker argument in itself is contstructive. When people get angry and start throwing around words like Elitist or baddie or l2p that it becomes Toxic. It’s a proven fact that PvE revolves around : High damage and Dodging One shot mechanics. Any other mechanics are there to just drag the fight out a bit longer in a fight that will last maybe a few minutes at best.

tichorum.2415:

Mepheles.2087:

This game’s style of PvE revolves around 5 Zerker geared players bursting down a boss while ignoring most mechanics. You want 10 (20) more of these trying to burst down a raid style boss? For what? Skins?

They should make you pass a reading test before allowing you to post on the forums. Please re-read and comment again. Thanks.

I read it, then posted, then read the edited OP. I stand by what I Said. Raiding is NOT for this game, currently. It’s not just the zerker argument, it’s the way PvE itself is designed. Raiding in other games is based around the fact that there will be a Tank(s), and Healer(s) and several DPS Dealers, which means hard hitting bosses can hit hard but it can be eaten by Mitigation and healing. Gw2 does not have a healer type nor a tank type or anything like. PvE here revolves around dodging key one shot skills. If raid style mechanics come into play, they must be hard hitting, or extremely fatal so every one doesn’t run damage and brings support and utility.

BAMS are also in this. In TERA BAMS can be soloed by just about any class, the only difference is TTK. Here they would probably be treated the same as Teq, which means unable to be crit to make the fight seem longer than it would be, and be zerged down by players, like everything else. I repeat: UNTIL ANET CHANGES THE WAY PVE WORKS YOU CANNOT ADD RAIDING OR RAID STYLE ANYTHING.

This game’s style of PvE revolves around 5 Zerker geared players bursting down a boss while ignoring most mechanics. You want 10 (20) more of these trying to burst down a raid style boss? For what? Skins?

No, just no…. If it’s 4 or 5 PST just say so. There are 12 numbers on the clock!

Soooo…. 5 O’clock?

Well, It was a hard fought battle, but I guess I can’t be too discouraged over the outcome of the match.

I’m also leveling a mesmer. level 19 right now. And all I Can say is never stop strafing if you’re using a ranged weapon like GS or Staff. Also try using mantras which have relatively short cooldowns. untraited. F3 and f4 Shatter skills are great survival tools if you get stunned or knocked down by a mob.

I like it. :o
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Wanna try out Axe + WH/Gs.. funny looking build..

A Dev shed some light on this in a previous thread, that I’m too lazy to look for. Something about changing the way Sigils work on 2H work, or not enough tech or some other excuse/reason.

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

Mepheles.2087:

Um, I’m not a lore nut… but If anyone has played through one of the sylvari personal story pathlines, we meet a Sylvari who is not of the Pale Tree. And it is shown that there may be more Groves elsewhere. The Alternate universe theory may be sound, but maybe she is of another Tree, or maybe even the SAME tree as Malyck. I don’t know if anyone has brought it up, haven’t reread this thread in a while. /shrug just thought I would add something to help with the mystery, if it helps at all.

The only reason of the alternate universe idea is there is because scarlet has steam creatures in her army, which are confirmed to be from an alternate timeline.

There is however no evidence to support Scarlet is from an alternate universe and even evidence against it as Vorpp recognized her.

Which brings me to my earlier post. If, like Malyck, she is not of the Pale Tree, Pale Tree would have no memory of her. Which means she either comes from another tree, with MUCH different values than the Pale tree, or maybe is the last child of her Mother Tree. Personally, I hope Malyck does return to shed some light on this.

You cannot explain this

Um, I’m not a lore nut… but If anyone has played through one of the sylvari personal story pathlines, we meet a Sylvari who is not of the Pale Tree. And it is shown that there may be more Groves elsewhere. The Alternate universe theory may be sound, but maybe she is of another Tree, or maybe even the SAME tree as Malyck. I don’t know if anyone has brought it up, haven’t reread this thread in a while. /shrug just thought I would add something to help with the mystery, if it helps at all.

Bacon Please.8407:

As a warrior main, I can’t wait for this horrible cheesy build to be destroyed. They should be showing love to our other weapons such as Hammers and Swords.

Hammer got some love. pretty much the rework to burst mastery and the discipline bonus was a nice change, they also reduced after cast of alot of skills. Next patch we can staggering blow while MOVING. Sword got pretty decent buffs as well. Off-hand Axe needs some love more than any other weapon.

I think besides that, it would be pretty interesting. Each side has 8 towers, and 2 keep. and SM of course, would be much larger. 2 BL’s which would have 8 Towers each and 4 keeps, and 2 Garrisons. Can you imagine looking from on high as two super armies clashed in a large area like The snowy field between bay and the Garrison. haha! such excitement!

I’m curious to see what kind of interesting fight would happen if WvW was a 2v2 week long fight…

Hmm, picture isn’t loading. Oh well

Kaiyanwan.8521:

I speak Japanese fluently, I can check that for you.

Name is Himawari no kenshi

I used Google Translate, to my utter shame, but it’s usually correct. Usually.

Zaxares.5419:

Risen children get “slurried” up and molded into the Risen Abominations. Hence their name.

:( that’s terrible.

melodey.4652:

Ynot.8397:

Mepheles.2087:

You guys from [WZ], total pros, chasing me down when I got left behind with like 6 people after I stopped the warrior from picking someone off.

You seem a bit mad.

I think I’m on Mepheles’ side for this one, haha. Totes pro. Gave us some lulz and some nice 2vX, although getting danced on by a [WZ] warrior at the end with three forms of stacks I like to think of as an artistic interpretation of an homage to killing so many of you ;P

Yeah, I don’t you’ll ever find one alone, that’s for sure. EB which is empty at this time of night had some pretty decent fights, that my compatriots seem to like interrupting every chance they get, lol… still even though I don’t like the way the match-up plays hot potato it is fairly even, and I have enjoyed myself more often than not.

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

Ynot.8397:

Mepheles.2087:

Ynot.8397:

Mepheles.2087:

No honor in outnumbering someone. Come at me like someone who can actually play the game.

You are mad because you got killed by people who outnumbered you. Boohoo.

Yeah, I am a bit irritated. But then I guess their collective skill might actually add up to one person, so in a sense, It was still an even fight.

Oh good, calling them out for doing something that almost everyone does. You do understand that you are the outlier here? This is how the game is played. This is how the game will always be played. If you don’t like getting zerged down, play a thief or change up your warrior to be able to outrun the zerg.

It’s like that. I am fine with getting beat up by the zerg. being destroyed by like 20 people I can deal with. But it’s 6. Not 10, not 15, not 20. 6 is not a zerg, that’s a group of bullies. Same for the two thieves who were sitting outside of our spawn bursting down anyone who came out. It’s not the server. It’s just that group.

if you ran as a 5 man group, would you call a group of 10 that steamrolls your group bullies too?

Of course not. We would expect 5+ groups to put a halt to whatever we’re doing. Taking camps, towers, or whatever. When you intentionally go 6v1, it’s not cool. 5v10, a fight can be had, depending on the overall skills of each groups, but in a 1vx there is no skill to be had.

so youll moan about “hopeless” odds when you prolly have some sign of being a dangerous person who will take camps or whatever… but you would be ok being rolled by a bigger group if your friends do too?

im trying to figure out why youre kittening. is it loneliness? that you dislike being outnumbered? that you have no confidence in your own skills? that you dont find escapes to be an interesting mechanic and so you choose not to run any? or u tryin to drama dis thred n maek it interestin?

You have no idea WHAT you’re talking about do you? Resorting to attacking my personal character is all thats left?

I have my answer.

you think i dont know youre kittening for the sake of kittening?

If you have to ask, you must already know the answer. Done with responding to you.

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

insanemaniac.2456:

Mepheles.2087:

Ynot.8397:

Mepheles.2087:

Ynot.8397:

Mepheles.2087:

No honor in outnumbering someone. Come at me like someone who can actually play the game.

You are mad because you got killed by people who outnumbered you. Boohoo.

Yeah, I am a bit irritated. But then I guess their collective skill might actually add up to one person, so in a sense, It was still an even fight.

Oh good, calling them out for doing something that almost everyone does. You do understand that you are the outlier here? This is how the game is played. This is how the game will always be played. If you don’t like getting zerged down, play a thief or change up your warrior to be able to outrun the zerg.

It’s like that. I am fine with getting beat up by the zerg. being destroyed by like 20 people I can deal with. But it’s 6. Not 10, not 15, not 20. 6 is not a zerg, that’s a group of bullies. Same for the two thieves who were sitting outside of our spawn bursting down anyone who came out. It’s not the server. It’s just that group.

if you ran as a 5 man group, would you call a group of 10 that steamrolls your group bullies too?

Of course not. We would expect 5+ groups to put a halt to whatever we’re doing. Taking camps, towers, or whatever. When you intentionally go 6v1, it’s not cool. 5v10, a fight can be had, depending on the overall skills of each groups, but in a 1vx there is no skill to be had.

so youll moan about “hopeless” odds when you prolly have some sign of being a dangerous person who will take camps or whatever… but you would be ok being rolled by a bigger group if your friends do too?

im trying to figure out why youre kittening. is it loneliness? that you dislike being outnumbered? that you have no confidence in your own skills? that you dont find escapes to be an interesting mechanic and so you choose not to run any? or u tryin to drama dis thred n maek it interestin?

You have no idea WHAT you’re talking about do you? Resorting to attacking my personal character is all thats left?

I have my answer.

Chaos.3579:

Mepheles.2087:

My mesmer’s name is Sunflower Swordsman Although it’s in Japanese, I sorely hope that I got the translation somewhat correct.

So your Japanese ?. Welcome young butterfly…….to the pink side…….

No, I’m not, but I felt like It would be suitable for a sylvari mesmer. Plus I was watching Samurai Champloo at the time. Making up original names is hard, so I didn’t do it for this one.

My mesmer’s name is Sunflower Swordsman Although it’s in Japanese, I sorely hope that I got the translation somewhat correct.

Drastic.8920:

The amount of times I’ve been ganked by a 5-man group or (1vX) by DH is quite a bit; but it’s part of the game. To expect a group to change their style of play to accommodate to yours for an “even” playing field is unrealistic. Everyone is essentially looking for a way to get the upper hand; whether it be through siege, numbers, element of surprise, etc.

Respawn and try again. Chances are if you are in someone else’s BL you didn’t have a repair bill anyways.

I don’t expect that. I never said I did, although if I look back at my post it may seem that way. The ones who don’t turn around and run back to their group are people I know that have some sense of fairness. They are on every server, and those people give the best fights, and those people I strive to look for when I go out and roam. Shouldn’t have to wait till thursday for a decent fight. Should be able to find one just by looking around. I know, I have seen my companions 1v5 lone SF/FC members, and other such people. It can’t be helped, but it still ticks me off when either side do it. It doesn’t matter, I’m not mad anymore. I just wanted to get my point across.