Guild Wars 2

xallever.1874:

nagymbear.5280:

xallever.1874:

As Allie didn’t want this CDI to be all about the permastow option (or turning it into an aspect), I’d just like to come up with a poll:

http://poll.pollcode.com/38561745

Obviously, a significant majority will be telling factor (not close to 50-50), but even without the percentage, if there are enough participants, I think the numbers also will show some weight.

The point of this is to lessen speculative statements for future discussions.

I hope everyone who has an opinion would take part in this short ‘yes’ or ‘no’ poll. I’d also post this in the Aspect thread.

Dev: You will not have 3 arms in this game. Please don’t talk about that on this thread so we can focus on other things instead.
Player: OK I made this poll on wanting 3 arms instead of 2. All go and vote!

That’s what the dev said but obviously people will continue bringing this up again and again from time to time.

The poll serves to:

• Provide a way to express your opinion without needlessly cluttering the thread
• Provide a data to back up people’s expressed arguments (vs counting on the total number of participating unique users who have expressed their opinions on this matter and manually tally it up)

Not to mention its kinda the problem innit?

Why bother making this thread going “Provide us with your feedback and ideas about this class.” then it becomes glaringly obvious that the most major of issues is without a doubt pets and the extreme difficulty in ever fixing them; not to mention how few people actually want them, and then turn around and go “Oh no, no no no, we’ll listen to you, just not on this stuff that very obviouslly matters”

Can’t that be why the class is so broke? Because the devs refuse to look and realistically access the biggest issue of the class?

Half a year ago there were rumors of new weapons being added to some classes, like a hammer for engineer, and longbow for guardian.

Never heard any plans at all for new skills on existing weapons though

Flytrap.8075:

xallever.1874:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

To clear the air about pets, lets collate:

What’s negative about the pet:

• Offers no benefit to certain playstyles

I don’t see this as a negative or a positive. It will be a negative thing if it is an impediment to certain playstyles.

I don’t see the Mesmer shatter mechanic as negative if you decide to go for a phantasm-heavy build. You just simply don’t benefit it as much than if you had gone Shatter or Lockdown.

For instance, if you had gone the beastmaster route, and your pet dies too easily, makes no real threat before it’s dead, then it’s a hindrance. In which case, it will be a negative thing.

Maybe he meant something along the lines of pets having literally no value in large-scale WvW.

Aveneo.2068:

Any of the devs played WoW (up until WotLK)? Hunter pets in that game seemed to behave pretty decently and I loved playing a Beastmaster there. So what did Blizzard do that ANet can’t do as well? Numerous suggestions have already been provided, so a little indepth feedback on how you guys want to proceed would be highly appreciated.

From my perspective, the main 2 things to work on are:

• Ability to hit moving targets
• Resistance to AoE

The instant F2 is nice, but that was the easy 5 minute fix. Now we’d like to hear more about the actual changes to pet AI and reliability.

I’ve been wondering about that as well; that game is like ten years old now and they managed to make pets work.

I’m not familiar with programming, but I don’t see how an older game like WoW could manage something like that while GW2 can’t.

Well the reason that WoW pets work is because they take reduced AoE damage and have since forever, plus the way their game is built allows for squishier creatures that can take some hits because there is both little to no chance of them pulling aggro (unless you’re stupid) and because it has healers. That and WoW is much less mobile, so not being able to hit isn’t an issue at all.

Specific Game Mode
All

Proposal Overview
Revamp to class mechanic

Goal of Proposal
The subpar nature of our current class mechanic

Proposal Functionality
It makes the Ranger what it is proposed to be, rather than shoe horning it into a beastmaster roll alone

Associated Risks
Would need balancing

Proposal
Taking a page from an earlier proposal, I suggest that the ranger mechanic be shifted to one of stance shifting. There would be three stances:

Beastmaster: This would essentially be the same as the current ranger. You have your pet, it has it’s F2 ability. F3 would be attack if not attacking current target, and return if it is. F4 and F5 would be the other two stances.

Druid: With this stance, the Ranger gets a boost to healing and condition damage, as well as a boost to defense, to compensate for lose of pet. The F4 and F5 will be the same as beastmaster. F2 and F3 would be two druidic based abilities:

• F2: Mark and Recall: You mark a location for teleportation, when you press the button again you teleport to your mark
• F3: Spiritual Attunement: Your summoned spirits gain in defense and their abilities trigger more often for the next X seconds

Skirmisher: With this stance, the Ranger gets a boost to power, critical strike chance, and a minor movement speed buff. F4 and F5 are the same as prior two. F2 and F3 are abilities

• F2: Camouflage: You stealth yourself for 3 seconds. This takes you out of combat.
• F3: Interrupting Strike: Your strike your enemy, interrupting whatever action they were taking and dazing them. If your weapon is ranged, this attack is ranged and the daze lasts a shorter amount of time.

Specific Game Mode:
All

Proposal Overview:
Reasoning why the pet needs a complete revamp

Goal of Proposal:
Diminished reliance on a mechanic that has never worked

Proposal Functionality:
The class will stay how it currently works, with its main and obvious detriment lessened

Associated Risks:
If the pet stays, but as a slotted skill, new mechanic would need to be balanced (though I propose that anything would be easier to balance than a pet)

Proposal:
Simply put, and the dev poster itself touches on this and its stated time and time again by players:

There is nothing good about the pet.

It’s to squishy making it none-viable in WvWvW and PvE, it has pathing issues making none-viable in anything, it has attacking and moving issues making it none-viable in anything. Honestly, look at other class mechanics: are any of them a detriment to the class? Do any of them cripple the play of the class? No, only rangers terribly implemented mechanic does that. It’s the only class mechanic that a large amount of the class would want to have removed (and has been asking for its removal for months)

There is quiet literally nothing good about the pet, and unless some sort of miracle patch comes along and revamps the pet system in its entirety, then nothing will EVER fix the ranger class so long as it revolves around pets to such an alarming extent.

I’d go so far as to suggest a complete revamp of Ranger with pet removed as the class mechanic. Perhaps replaced by something to make range and movement more viable (since ranger players, as is blatantly obvious in this thread, don’t like being medium armor warriors, and do like being skirmishy and using bows), or something spirit based. Anything is better than a pet which is quiet literally the worst mechanic in the game and should be nothing more than a slot skill similar to GW1 that is completely optional. Because let’s be honest; if you could only get a pet by slotting it as, say an ultimate (like flesh golem) how many people would use even that?

1. Switch between stances

No, stop it. If you can’t pitch an idea within the classes actual framework then don’t bother.

I do like how it’s being done up as a condition weapon; the range option for it I feel is just a better ver of shortbow (in that it has further options due to switch.).

The melee option though is a bit better, simply because it allows for a stronger condition based melee option without muscling in one sword (higher defense) or greatsword (higher aoe)

Simply put: remove the range option, add a third skill for melee; nothing aoe, nothing defensive. Maybe something like:

3. Blood Scent – 30 second cooldown: strike the foe for X damage, your pet gains 1 might for every application of bleed on the target (or for every X amount of bleed, like, 2, or 5) that lasts for 10 seconds.

I like the idea, always seemed the pet of ranger was kinda dull and boring compared to other class abilities.

Though getting rid of GS is just incredibly stupid. I mean heck, fictions first and most well known ranger was a great sword ranger.

9/10, love that looks, though that pistol is -way- over used and I don’t think fits the theme all to well.

My current Charr Ranger. The Legionnaire weapons are the best!

I still fail to see why anyone but Humans and Asuran should give a care about what happens to Lion’s Arch.

Like, why does my Charr give a crap about what happens to some dinky port town (who fails utterly at stopping the constant piracy threat)? Why would a Norn want to go and save abunch of idiots who can’t save themselves? Not to mention their is no personal glory to be had in Lion’s Arch.

This is supposed to be some big story ending thing right? But an important part of a good story: motivation, seems lacking. Especially when you can’t help but think that those in charge (as in, the council and the lion guard) are themselves incompetent and should clean up their own mess.

Really, how many times can people re-define gear treadmill?

New tier

Thats a treadmill.

Zerroth.2401:

Terrahero.9358:

I understand your complaint, and the point you are trying to make. But you are muddying it up with an unreasonable request. Maybe you shouldve stuck to the point.

Which is that people used Fine Transmutation Stones, which are almost exclusively gem bought (I certainly never got a Fine Stone from anything but the gemstore) to change the look on their gear. People did this believing that this gear would last them “forever”. Okay to drop a few $ on getting cool looking gear if that gear will last you, right?

But now that everything is switching over to Ascended this gear will in time be replaced. And if they want to adopt the similar look they have to spend gems again just to keep the same look you might very well have already payed for once.

Basicly ANet is selling you the same skins twice.

Why would anyone do this thinking that your armor would last FOREVER? that is a terriable idea…….imagine for the rest of the game life, there was never any new cooler armor skins? No new better weapons……You just stayed the same forever……. Everyone would quit….. there would be no reason to play…

Protip: GW1 had this system and survived for many many many years.

Then again, GW1 also had a lot more content released in its first year (game world doubled in land mass due to new continent, hundreds of new skills, two new classes etc…)

Also, GW2 promised no treadmill. And no matter how many times people say its not, adding another tier of gear on top of the existing is the complete definition of gear treadmill.

Terrahero.9358:

I understand your complaint, and the point you are trying to make. But you are muddying it up with an unreasonable request. Maybe you shouldve stuck to the point.

Which is that people used Fine Transmutation Stones, which are almost exclusively gem bought (I certainly never got a Fine Stone from anything but the gemstore) to change the look on their gear. People did this believing that this gear would last them “forever”. Okay to drop a few $ on getting cool looking gear if that gear will last you, right?

But now that everything is switching over to Ascended this gear will in time be replaced. And if they want to adopt the similar look they have to spend gems again just to keep the same look you might very well have already payed for once.

Basicly ANet is selling you the same skins twice.

Thats actually a much better argument. That they are selling the same skin twice after a broken promise.

Gabby.3205:

I remember that it was said a long time ago that legendary weapons would have their stats upgraded when a new tier of equipment was released.

Some months ago, they reminded us that ascended weapons and armor would be introduced this year.

We knew that there would be another tier. We always knew.

Some people saved their crystals and skins for when it happened, some didn’t. I know I did.

No, we KNEW that we would be getting a treadmill AFTER they introduced the first one. At first they said there would never be something like this, and then implemented the exact thing they said they wouldn’t.

I apologize for not knowing what they would say in the future.

The state of the game thing was also two months ago I believe. Still rather new.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Namica.2951:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Namica.2951:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Delvoire.8930:

For the Fractal people, if you’re grinding to get Agony and Ascended for Fractals.. that’s your choice. You don’t need to do it.

I was with you up to here. Fractals is actually the deviation from the treadmill policy. But you’re still right, of course. Fractals were a concession to the people who actually want this. It was originally an experiment, but it was a successful one. It gave the people who wanted a treadmill, despite it being against the foundations of the game, a way to experience that, without interfering with anyone else.

So if you’re doing this because of Fractals you’re doing it because that’s what you actually want to do and enjoy. So you still have no place to complain.

It also had the effect of causing WvWvW becoming part of the Fractal Treadmill. Ascended should only have fractal resists on them if thats the point. The way ascended is implemented though, they become a NEEDED function for WvWvW, and something that you will always feel you need for PvE since you KNOW you’re not doing as well as you could be if you’re not using ascended.

No they don’t, you’re over stating the actual importance of a small stat boost.

Ever gone from rare to exotic weapon? The difference is immediatly noticable due to the weapon damage difference.

Difference between, say rings, amulets and trinkets is rather small because it’s only a small stat increase. But the weapons have the same stat increase + weapon damage. And that makes all the difference.

I’ve already pointed out my experience with upgrading. The difference is completely negligible and in no way noticeable. It makes no difference at all. You’re making mountains out of imaginary bumps.

And I think you’re knowingly playing ignorant.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Namica.2951:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Delvoire.8930:

For the Fractal people, if you’re grinding to get Agony and Ascended for Fractals.. that’s your choice. You don’t need to do it.

I was with you up to here. Fractals is actually the deviation from the treadmill policy. But you’re still right, of course. Fractals were a concession to the people who actually want this. It was originally an experiment, but it was a successful one. It gave the people who wanted a treadmill, despite it being against the foundations of the game, a way to experience that, without interfering with anyone else.

So if you’re doing this because of Fractals you’re doing it because that’s what you actually want to do and enjoy. So you still have no place to complain.

It also had the effect of causing WvWvW becoming part of the Fractal Treadmill. Ascended should only have fractal resists on them if thats the point. The way ascended is implemented though, they become a NEEDED function for WvWvW, and something that you will always feel you need for PvE since you KNOW you’re not doing as well as you could be if you’re not using ascended.

No they don’t, you’re over stating the actual importance of a small stat boost.

Ever gone from rare to exotic weapon? The difference is immediatly noticable due to the weapon damage difference.

Difference between, say rings, amulets and trinkets is rather small because it’s only a small stat increase. But the weapons have the same stat increase + weapon damage. And that makes all the difference.

ProtoGunner.4953:

Just another tier of gear isn’t a treadmill. It is totally easy to get ascended gear… Don’t talk about GW1, this one was ridiculous gear-wise.

GW1 was rediculous gear wise? I had the best gear I could get the moment I hit max level in GW1 and never had to replace it.

And yes, another tier of gear IS a treadmill. Thats pretty much the definition.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Delvoire.8930:

For the Fractal people, if you’re grinding to get Agony and Ascended for Fractals.. that’s your choice. You don’t need to do it.

I was with you up to here. Fractals is actually the deviation from the treadmill policy. But you’re still right, of course. Fractals were a concession to the people who actually want this. It was originally an experiment, but it was a successful one. It gave the people who wanted a treadmill, despite it being against the foundations of the game, a way to experience that, without interfering with anyone else.

So if you’re doing this because of Fractals you’re doing it because that’s what you actually want to do and enjoy. So you still have no place to complain.

It also had the effect of causing WvWvW becoming part of the Fractal Treadmill. Ascended should only have fractal resists on them if thats the point. The way ascended is implemented though, they become a NEEDED function for WvWvW, and something that you will always feel you need for PvE since you KNOW you’re not doing as well as you could be if you’re not using ascended.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

Players nowadays have grown lazy and don’t want to work towards anything.
There’s a difference between being casual and being a lazy, spoiled brat who wants everything handed down to them on a silver platter.

By reading the complaints on this and other threads, you can see which one they represent.

There is also hoping devs would stick to their originally stated promises. They lied. Simple as that.

Color this how you want, change meanings where you want, twist words all over the place. A-net said no gear treadmill. We are now being given gear that is better than what we can currently get. That is the definition of treadmills. All the “other” definitions given in this thread, when applied to other games, make it seem that there isn’t one in any MMO ever.

Kal Spiro.9745:

OMG, it’s not a treadmill. A gear treadmill means that you start with Gear X. You need to be fully done up in Gear X before you can even compete in content to get Gear Y. You need to keep at it until you fully done in Gear Y in order to have a chance at Gear Z. See that? You keep progressing forward using old gear to obtain new gear. That’s the treadmill.

You don’t have that here. You can just make the gear. You’ll get the mats from a variety of places, some of this don’t even involve content. You can do it in level 1 white armor and weapons and instantly jump to level 80 Ascended without ever being in a fight. That’s not a treadmill.

As for rares. Until recently I was running around primarily in sub 80 greens, I even had a blue. I was waiting until I could make my own exotics. Do you know what difference I saw in my gameplay when I jumped, in a single move, to full level 80 exotics? None, not a single bit of difference. The actual difference in stats between qualities is so insignificant as to have no legitimate effect on gameplay.

So no, you don’t need ascended anything. If you want it, then get it. If you think you need it and you also need your current appearance intact, then too bad, you have to pay for that.

I like how you are changing the meaning of things to suit your own needs.

Gear treadmill is increasing effectiveness of newer gears that are better than those before them.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Salome.5329:

-snip-

They announced their gear threadmill after I bought the game (about 4 months in), just saying. So that “read the site properly” argument is invalid.

About everything else, I think you would have made a pretty fair argument if only you wouldn’t call our criticism Moaning, Idiotic, Crying and QQ

But I can understand how difficult it must be to encounter people with a different opinion.

Yeah, there was no treadmill till ascended which was added months after release.

The game was SOLD on the promise of no treadmill. Now we are being given a second treadmill with weapons, and another on its way with armor.

You know how many gear treadmills GW1 had? Zero.

I’ll go tell people they can stop wearing exotics and just use rares since gear means so little.

The game was sold based on no gear treadmill and end game being cosmetics. Now that a-net is putting in a great treadmill, suddenly people are defending this LIE as an ok thing. Not to mention they are adding a weapon to an offensive PvP meta, with no defense to go with it. Further imbalance in WvWvW. How fun.

A-net went back on promises and they’re being exalted for it. This thread is about a very small request for something that helps ease the original intent of cosmetics. And its being treated like I’m taking a-net out back and beating them with bat covered in rusty nails.

Rcox.4076:

You’re not forced to transmutate the look of any armour/weapons are you, you just WANT to change them.
You also don’t pay a monthly sub fee, so by all means, spend $10 and buy a bunch of crystals and support the game you play so much!

This is far more about how we were told there’d be no gear treadmill, and that the endgame was cosmetics.

This spits in the eye of both of those claims.

Rcox.4076:

lol, I hope this isn’t serious. o.O

Why isnt it? Crystal prices rise higher and higher constantly with gem exchange prices.

Players were told no loot treadmill, so there was reason enough to buy these expensive crystals and apply the looks you wanted to your gear.

Now we have a loot treadmill and gear to replace. Some people will need a rather large number of crystals to maintain the look they had been told they could keep without issue. I myself for instance will be needing around 25 or so if I want to maintain looks on my Warrior, Thief, and Ranger (weapons that is. Armor is 3-6 per set of armor, depending on what you hide).

And yes, unless they make many current exotic skins (dungeon for instance), skins (as in you double click to add them to armor), then the cosmetic aspect of GW2 suffers in that you won’t be able to wear the armor and weapons from dungeons due to their lowered state total compared to ascended. You’ll need to buy a crystal to apply them.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

Saw this on a post in another thread and felt it deserved it’s own discussion.

Isn’t it rather sad that the most popular feature of GW2, is a mini-game that has nothing to do with GW2?

Kind of puts things into perspective if you think about it. People are more interested in a Mario style game instead of the actual game. Just seems rather bad that out of all the Living Story stuff we have received, a mini game that is not really GW2 at all is the most popular of them all.

Just makes you feel this game is doing something wrong if people are more excited about an 8bit Mario game instead of the actual GW2 game.

It’s something fun. Nothing wrong with that.

I myself would prefer some meaningful story content for once. But This is better than more Scarlet the Sue.

If a-net is going to add all these various new ascended armors (eventually) and weapons that we’ll need, then they need to take transmutation crystals off the gem store. It’s unfair that after being told our armor and weapons will be something that we never replace, we were then given new ones to replace the old with. End game is supposed to be about cosmetics, and now even that is being done away with due to harsh use of crystals coupled with ascended gear making the old exotic skins a moot point.

Make the gems something you buy in game for a sane price.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

My own experiments with Dwayna statues (only uncorrupted temple I could find) bore no such results.

There’s a Dwayna statue in… crap that play with the Centaur Gauntlet and the High Shaman world boss, human-based zone, Hrathi Highlands I think? Well there’s a statue there where if you /kneel, an avatar of Dwayna pops out and gives you a quest.

hermescragsniper.2713:

Sieg.8439:

Por que no los dosss
Doesn’t sound like either/or options, both seem to fit to me.

Sure, why not.

Also just realized Scarlet and some of her back story reminds me a lot of Albedo from the Xenosaga series; a fantastic character and done very well. I do hope Anet can follow through with Scarlet like was done with Albedo. I disagree though that she’s a really bad character right now

I’m sorry, but how is Scarlet ANYTHING like Albedo aside from MAYBE being unhinged (which isn’t even confirmed, she could just be immature)?

Albedo has very clear and believable motivation: He is driven by love. He was a flawed person in life with rather noticeable anger problems. He became insane when he learned of the frailty of life and how he was powerless to stop it. He didn’t master things at a breakneck pace. He didn’t apparently have a masterful silver tongue. He had a difficult life and it showed up later in his life.

You can’t just take every character that has mental instability and go “Just like Scarlet!”, there is more to a character than whether or not they’re insane. This is especially true in this case where Scarlet herself may be perfectly sane, just self centered and immature.

Erukk.1408:

Xae Isareth.1364:

I absolutely refuse to believe she’s actually the one behind the Molten Alliance and the Aetherblades. That person in my head would’ve been someone cunning, who’s always one step ahead of you, and oozes with authority.

Instead, we got this childish girl who acts in such a way that you can predict her actions down to her dialogue lines.

I doubt it is going to happen, but I’m personally hoping for Lazarus the Dire, the last known Mursaat, to be secretly pulling her strings. I can somewhat understand her controlling the Aetherblades, since they’re pirates after all, but organizing the political alliance between two xenophobic groups?

……No.

Don’t forget that one of them was also sexist!

But yeah, seems the only way that Scarlet is ever getting better is if they make some massive changes to the character. Everything we have about her now is just poorly done.

Evon Skyfyre.9673:

The groups I had the misfortune to be in only run to areas with champs. Seems some even have spotters scouting out each spawn, and reporting back. The LS events are an EPIC FAIL!!!

Good thing, every champ drops Exotics and rares, each and every time. Bad thing is they are exotic/rare packages, and the stuff inside is total crap.

Welcome to….

FARM WARS 2
Tyrian Lootfest

What you’re tired of jumping through hoops to gain any ground? You’d prefer to run in mindless groups and play follow the leader? And do it all for little or no reward, well Farm Wars 2 is your game.

facepalm

You knew what you were getting into. With no gear grind there is only a cosmetic grind, which is of course one of gold.

Funfact: You generally get better rewards for farming the champions spawned by the event, then actually finishing the event.

Good job there a-net.

All you need to end this argument is some base proof that the gods are still around.

For instance, Hounds of Balthazar exist under Balthazar’s influence, thus he is still around.

Similarity, don’t the Shrines give blessings when uncorrupted? This is it’s own proof of godly intervention.

Donari.5237:

I was strongly disappointed by the story because it made Scarlet’s Sueness canon. Before, it could just have been misinformation fed to NPCs since our info on her came from what those NPC’s said.

But then in the middle of a night of insomnia I had a thought that gave me hope.

What if … what if she hasn’t been there all along after all? It’s interesting that she is so Asura-College-involved. And we know the Reactor accident “turned reality inside out.” What if she’s a sylvari’s fever dream projected into the world after being mixed up with the Reactor blowup? And reality has warped, so suddenly people like Anise are sure Scarlet is a known figure of the past many years. Whereas she’s simply been injected.

Could be, but for now it’s just baseless speculation.

Stooperdale.3560:

Mary Sue seems to be an overly used phrase on these boards. Why is everything thought to be a Mary Sue? Do the people who talk and read about it know exactly what it means?

I don’t have a problem with the Sylvari. They are not perfect just because they are well spoken. We do generally meet the pleasant, clean living Sylvari who are following their wyld hunts but we do know the hedonistic Sylvari are hidden away in the Nightmare Court. In the personal story all the major Sylvari characters have character flaws. Trahearne has this “I’m a scholar, not a general” thing that is really badly portrayed and you have little sympathy when he voices his self doubts. Sieran is a reckless scientist who could be seen as a good version of nasty Scarlet. Caithe, Tegwen & co are hardly perfect as well.

I have far more problems with the Asura. Whenever anything needs to be done in game some magi-tech from the Asura turns up, solves the problem, and then vanishes again. It’s all technobabble and lazy storytelling.

I’m quite aware what the term means.

Applying the original meaning of something perfect that’s shoehorned in and takes the story away… well they’ve certainly done this many times. Considering that GW2 is supposed to be about dragons, that they are the main and strongest weapon against them speaks droves for that. Especcially when its considered they’re only 25 years old as a race. They’ve taken the spotlight for the main story, and now are taking it as the main villain of the living story (and of course had a forced “Behind everything” plot shoved in)

Of the new meaning of something that’s just plain perfect, untarnished, very powerful, just better than everyone else… well so far the only thing anyone has on them is that Norn are individually stronger. They’re 25 years old and have spread like wildfire to all corners of Tyria and for some reason are always met with trust on the spot rather than distrust. Even the Charr are ok with them when they very obviously pose a serious threat should they ever turn on the other races, and given their tendency towards hive mind and obedience to their god head… this is a likely scenario.

PetboyJoshua.3108:

“Immune to magics of the series main antagonist (dragons).”

Well… They don’t get corrupted, but die instead if a dragon tries to corrupt them… so it’s not really a valid point, no ?

It sorta gets rid of the dragon’s primary weapon. The dragons we’ve seen in action so far, their primary means of being a threat is corrupting and raising armies from those they corrupt.

The only one who doesn’t do this, I think, is Primordius (thats the destroyer one right? I’m terrible with names).

Seven Star Stalker.1740:

Ill say again what I’ve said before.

Scarlet was a character with brilliant conception.. And pretty bad excecution. It feels like they made a FemJoker/Harley Quinn in the game, but her story makes her look somewhat descent and gives her potential as a villain.

I think if they had more effort in her, great. But otherwise the race is fine and I personally think your statement is a little extreme, but that’s just me. Look at Faolain for example. She’s a descently balanced character. Traherne didn’t end well so we won’t go into his details, but Malyk was an intresting twist. I like them |:

This isn’t all about Scarlet, though she is part of it. The Sylvari at their very core encourage Mary Sue-dom. They are a race based on perfection.

Red Jay.2516:

Don’t blame the Sylvari. Blame the LS writers’ inability to move past teenage girl fantasy stories and Mary Sue character tropes.

Well the Sylvari have at their core every thing needed to always be the character a-net needs for, well anything. They don’t even need the Asura to be there for technology since Sylvari apparently can excel at it because they have such tendency towards genius.

Yes, its the writers fault, but everything story, good or bad is their fault. The Sylvari as they are, are a bad writers dream. They have the potential to do anything better than anyone.

The more I learn about Sylvari and the more I see Sylvari characters, the more I think that they pretty much just make the game’s story suffer.

They’re a young race of people who have a strong tendency to learn faster than anyone due to their giant shared, but not truly shared racial conscious.

Despite humans losing their god, they essentially have their own with the Pale Tree, who is pretty much a demi-god (if not a god outright, as seems implied by the Scarlet short story).

Immune to magics of the series main antagonist (dragons).

So far have one character who is the games main good guy, and another who is the games main villain (that isnt a dragon)

Well loved or at least tolerated by all the races with rather little explanation for it

The one member of destiny’s edge who can’t really be said to be at fault for their breaking up, and who the other 4 all still respect.

Makers and users of pretty much the series most powerful weapon (that we know of).

I mean. So much about them just screams “mary sue”. They’re just so perfect in just about everyway, with no real flaws to speak of. Its like they were just put in the setting for everyone else to love. To be more amazing than anyone else. I really expect for us to get a short story where they outfight a Norn, because they already have outsmarted the Asura, out-dietied the humans, and out-unified the Charr (heck, apparently Traeherne is the series best general too, so take that Smoldur the Unflinching).

Shiren.9532:

lordkrall.7241:

^ No, it shows that people simply don’t pay attention.
They could have had big flashing signs tagged with “Scarlet was here!” during F&F and people still wouldn’t see the connection.

From what I’ve seen it still hasn’t been confirmed that Scarlet was involved in Flame and Frost, merely implied by her using them as her minions during the invasions. It’s entirely possible it was someone else and Scarlet is capitalising on an existing army. Honestly there isn’t much story to the Molten Alliance (at least a story that does justice to the Flame Legion or the dredge as their own entities and not just as tools for Scarlet to use) so I’m not too bothered they haven’t come out and said “Scarlet did it” but I’m not going to blame players for not making the connection because technically, the story hasn’t either.

A-net confirmed it. Dev said she was the mastermind during one of the streams.

Heaven forbid we get out lore in game.

RyanThomas.4182:

Why didn’t they give us this backstory before introducing the character Scarlet? After all, Mai Trin mentioned Scarlett, so putting this right before the Queen’s Jubilee or the day after Queen’s Jubilee went live would give a bit of context so that Scarlet didn’t seem like some sloppily created cliche villian Anet pulled out of nowhere.

Please, Anet, if you care about lore, try to connect things as you write them, and not tie them together sloppily as an afterthought.

Also, nothing in the story mentioned how Scarlet’s connected to the Molten Alliance.

She’s still a sloppily created cliche villain. This story gave no depth. It just confirmed lack thereof.

Pacifica.9576:

Walhalla.5473:

Some people here should actually read this short story before they complain about it

Namica.2951:

So from this, we can add some things to Scarlet:

Master Smith

No she just spent one winter with a master smith and left him at the begin of spring. She wasn even close to be a master smith when she left him.

Master Sniper

There are no indication that she IS a master sniper. She just hung around with a good sniper for two years

Evil for the sake of being evil

More like gone mad from revelation

Kain Francois.4328:

earn the respect of all three Charr legions to be trained by them

Thanks for the joke. Go read the story an you’ll see that she isn’t trained by all three Charr legions. Scarlet spent two years with a gladium. a Gladium, not the three Legions.

Nothing against critizising a character but some of you are sue-ing Scarlet much more than Anet.

yeah the story specifically mentions that she left before she could attain master status, despite the protests of her mentors

Master Smith: Yes, she spent one season with a guy which gave her enough knowledge to build a freaking golem.

Master Sniper: So she was pretty much one season away from being a master sniper. That doesn’t refute the point that she was learning all these things at a simply massive speed. Or that she was able to dodge and escape a veteran soldier.

Gone mad? We don’t even knows if she’s mad or just self confident. The short story was full of holes. People keep saying this confirms her madness when no, it doesn’t. People were just so sure of madness because of the childish way she speaks that they are making assumptions based on their own desires.

Here’s an easy way to sort these things out.

One part of being a Mary Sue is that the character has no flaws. And if they do have flaws, that the flaws dont just make them look all the more “amazing”. For instance, a common RP trope is blindness. Which of course is a flaw, but many players will find these ways around really being blind. For instance, using their magic powers to see through other peoples visions, or in one case I saw, through the eyes of a small dog they kept with them at all times. It took a flaw, and made it have no meaning, made it just make the character look all the more amazing and perfect.

What are Scarlet’s flaws? And before people say it, no, so far her “insanity” is not a flaw. Why? Well first of all, she may not be insane, she could just be acting childish. Second of all, her insanity has had absolutly 0 detrimental effects on her, and just makes it all the more amazing that she’s united such factions together under one banner (why would the Flame Legion, who not only hates none-Charr, but also hates women, listen to an insane Sylvari?).

Cyan.6904:

It’s just what you want to see. =’)

That argument can be applied to anything. Thought eventually a horse is a horse, white is white, and a sue is a sue.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I hate to say it, but Logan is portrayed as pretty much of a dufus. After a while, I’d be tempted to be condescending to him, also.

It’s less that Logan is portrayed as a dufus, more so that despite his position, no one ever deals him in to information that he NEEDS. He’s treated like crap by everyone.

I do find it funny that many people said her past would give us depth when her past gave more credence to the idea that she is a mary sue.

Brutalistik.6473:

Are you guys going to complain as well when she becomes a dead sue?

I’m sorry, I suppose it’s bad to expect a coherent plot from a game that sells itself on a “living world”.

A-net doesn’t care about established lore.

They only care about pirates.

Well, reading her short story made it rather clear that those people talking about her past having depth were dead wrong. We can add more to her sueness:

Master Smith
Master Sniper
Evil for the sake of being evil
Responsible for Asuran personal story

When will the sue-ing end? She was already a genius of stupidly large renown, and pretty much a female Traeherne. She is one of, if not thee biggest sue I’ve ever seen in an MMO.

So from this, we can add some things to Scarlet:

Master Smith
Master Sniper
Evil for the sake of being evil
Responsible for Asuran personal story

When will the sue-ing end? She was already a genius of stupidly large renown, and pretty much a female Traeherne. She is one of, if not thee biggest sue I’ve ever seen in an MMO.

Ingway.5106:

Namica.2951:

They don’t feel mindless, they are mindless.

Don’t skirt around the issue. If it is X, then call it X. Don’t twiddle your fingers and go “Oh, isn’t this maybe sorta X?”

And then i do that and everyone starts calling bull on that because they think i’m being entitled/trolling the issue by being blunt.

A sad sad culture indeed when people aren’t permitted to be honest.

They don’t feel mindless, they are mindless.

Don’t skirt around the issue. If it is X, then call it X. Don’t twiddle your fingers and go “Oh, isn’t this maybe sorta X?”

Advent Leader.1083:

Something that probably makes them limit the kind of stuff they need to show ingame is a.) they have to export to countries that have stringent rulings on some subjects and b.) they’re limited by law on their ESRB rating, which is surprisingly a T.

In any case, that’s just my 2c.

Half decent characters aren’t something reserved for M and above.

Andele.1306:

Namica.2951:

FateOmega.9601:

Scarlet is the anti-trahearne.

Well yeah, as I stated earlier:

Traehearne: Oh so perfect Slyvari who took all the glory from former heroes. United good guy factions despite them being more interesting standing on their own rather than merged into one generic blob.

Scarlet: Oh so perfect Slyvari who took all the glory from former villains. United bad guy factions despite them being more interesting standing on their own rather than merged into one generic blob.

Scarlet is Traehearne, only female and evil. With an extra dose of special snowflake.

2 other differences, Saladmancer had a good initial plot (Sylvari personal story) then became the meme for kitten by the community (but for some reason kormir didnt get even half the rage during nightfall) with terrible voiceacting (but cool model/design) while Scarlet had a plain/bad/ass pull initial plot/setup (if you think about what we knew not what could be) but the community had shown how much more awesome it could be with a awesome voice (and a terrible model/they once again were too lazy to put the concept art into the game).

I need to see him in the Sylvari opening someday. I suppose for us that didnt make a Salad, all we saw was a mary sue good guy who came in, everyone knew, people owed him favors, everyone respected him, the pale tree gave him a legendary weapon, he went past uniting faction and flat out merged them, and flat out took the limelight.

Felt completely forced, similar to Scarlet, who is a mary sue bad girl, who came in, everyone knew, people had grudges again, led organizations, and united factions that didnt need uniting, while also taking the limelight from anyone else (because now SHE is the mastermind, SHE is the focus).