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The fact that there is an outmanned buff also tells you that Anet knew there would be times when servers didn’t have equal forces…. just food for thought that this wasn’t an oversight but planned.

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

I see it as the same.

Primary complaint is…. at night we have hardly anyone on compared to xxx server that has 2x more people.

DT is 2x people vs the server being double teamed is it not?

Same concept in my eyes.

Your talking about changing a major part of WvWvW without accounting for the big picture.

I got your point however there are serious differences. Double-Teaming is something which all WvW participants can do. But “persistent night capping” is not, due to Real Life priorities.

Seriously I’m not talking fair play. I just want to state that, current scoring system alienating a serious amount of player base, causing motivation loss. They feel like whatever they can do (keeping real life into consideration) does not have effect on overall score. When a player comes to such a realization, you can’t expect him continue competition.

This might eventually end up with severe loss on WvW population. I might be wrong, but I don’t think so. WvW will loose a major part of it’s competitive player base, which can not wake up early in the morning 4-5 days per week.

Eventually I fear WvW population will reduce to “complete hard-core players” accumulated in 2-3 servers which can provide 7/24 with addition of casuals doing it just for fun.

I already view WvWvW as a hardcore thing, the pvp’ers that put in the most time and have less RL obligations will be on top vs the guy that plays from 7pm to 9pm then goes to bed.

WvWvW in my opinion is not for a casual player, if they are going to take it seriously and want to win all the time. Just not gonna happen. Primetime is fun. I dont see all the fuss over a score.

I see the point about waking up and not even being able to leave your spawn or even have your keep, that would be annoying but wouldn’t be like omg I quit, would be a okay guys we got work to do lets get this stuff taken back. There is fun to be had playing the underdog clawing your way out of a corner, that gives you a feeling of accomplishment when you know your outnumbered out gunned, when you and 12 of your buddy’s pushed back a larger force and reclaimed what was lost. Or held off a force 3x bigger then yours for hours. Those are memory makers.

I just dont view nightcapping the same I guess. I also see it as unfair to night players if you change it, so that its not the same as other times of the day.

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

Still doesn’t account for a double team scenario during primetime hours which can severely cripple a server during prime point gain doesn kitten

You cant just change soemthing with out taking everything else into consideration.

Double teaming is not the subject of this topic.

If you’re unhappy of double-teaming start a new thread.
If you’re trying to disrupt the discussion here please don’t do that as it’s not helping at all.

It seems you see a strong correlation between double-teaming and subject of this topic. However I don’t share your opinion on that.

I see it as the same.

Primary complaint is…. at night we have hardly anyone on compared to xxx server that has 2x more people.

DT is 2x people vs the server being double teamed is it not?

Same concept in my eyes.

Your talking about changing a major part of WvWvW without accounting for the big picture.

How do you compensate players that only play at night? What their efforts shouldn’t count as much as daytime players? Not selfish at all m8.

You also assume that theres very little on at night, which is also not true. I have no way to back that statement up, nor do you have anyway to back up the statement that a 2 of the 3 servers are empty at night thus allowing one server to just cap everything uncontested which isn’t true.

Oh and on HoD the primetime crew is the same crew that takes everything back between 9pm-1-2am. By that time we are up 500+ PPT if we were down to begin with… then oceanics take over and maintain the lead if not make it larger.

It is not a servers fault that the other two servers log off at 9pm… it is not a servers fault that if after a patch or reset the other server DOESN"T LOG BACK IN.

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

How do you suggest balance then? Because if you take away a way for a server to make up points for a server thats getting teamed up on, what chance will they have at winning? Because two equally good servers can lock a server thats just as good down and force a loss. Thats considered strategy however giving them a chance to fight back is considered unfair?
How on earth does that even make sense in your head.

Alarm Clocking or using different Time-zones is the most strong tactic to win WvW right now. What we’re hoping, those to get some balance, which will leave room for other organization/strategies

Right which is perfectly fine.

But take HoD’s most recent match up. Heavily getting focused by both servers, and unable to make any real attack at gaining points above the other two during prime time, because if they dont defend they lose more ground.

Taking away one tactic requires overhaul of others to keep things “fair”. Because then instead of night capping you will have complaints about server alliances beating on other servers for easy wins. Just like people are complaining about night capping.

Personnally I dont care about double teaming or night capping both are valid in my opinion. But dont forget you cant start taking away ways for a losing server to come back while leaving servers double teaming a way to dominate a server.

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

And its also why the fight is 24/7.

Imagine if wvw was only at certain times the server gained up on has no chance at winning if all server posses the same skill level/players.

Suck it up.

There are no posts suggesting making WvW for only certain times. We want to have a score system that takes amount of participants into account.

Still doesn’t account for a double team scenario during primetime hours which can severely cripple a server during prime point gain doesn’ kitten /p>

You cant just change soemthing with out taking everything else into consideration.

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

Of course it does, you complaining your outnumbered at night, well the same could be said when a server gets DT’d at primetime. Take them both out. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Or does it only matter when its your favor?

People these days…. actually just NA players really everyone else in the world isn’t as stuck up and stubborn.

I’m not complaining about getting outnumbered. I’m complaining 10 men can gain more points than 166 men pretty easily. And this de-motivates that 166 men and might cause they leave the competition. That might cause a heavy impact on WvW populations.

How do you suggest balance then? Because if you take away a way for a server to make up points for a server thats getting teamed up on, what chance will they have at winning? Because two equally good servers can lock a server thats just as good down and force a loss. Thats considered strategy however giving them a chance to fight back is considered unfair?
How on earth does that even make sense in your head.

Corew.8932:

Double teaming is basically why we have three factions.. to even things out, it’s rarely happening but still

And its also why the fight is 24/7.

Imagine if wvw was only at certain times the server gained up on has no chance at winning if all server posses the same skill level/players.

Suck it up.

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

Well with your attitudes then double teaming shouldnt be allowed either because that means the server getting double teamed has to fight 2x more people. So scratch double teaming to, I mean if you guys want to sit here and rant and rave about how good your server does at primetime, then do it solo no double teaming allowed cuz its unfair to the server getting double teamed. Just like its unfair if your server doesn’t have as many as the other on at night.

Double teaming has no relation to the topic discussed here.

Of course it does, you are complaining your outnumbered at night, well the same could be said when a server gets DT’d at primetime. Take them both out. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Or does it only matter when its not in your favor?

People these days…. actually just NA players really everyone else in the world isn’t as stuck up, stubborn and selfish.

Well with your attitudes then double teaming shouldnt be allowed either because that means the server getting double teamed has to fight 2x more people. So scratch double teaming to, I mean if you guys want to sit here and rant and rave about how good your server does at primetime, then do it solo no double teaming allowed cuz its unfair to the server getting double teamed. Just like its unfair if your server doesn’t have as many as the other on at night.

Enjoy pvp, stop being obsessed over a score.

If all you care about are points why even WvWvW?

If all you care about are points why not complain about 2v1? Its a legit strategy according to Anet and everyone else to use double the numbers to beat a server yet a server with a strong night presence isn’t allowed to fight at night to regain points?

That logic fails.

If you play the game to have fun then winning shouldn’t matter. Unless your only having fun if your winning.

I haven’t heard a single server say we have no good fights game is boring.

Right now on HoD its instant que every map… 6am my time… 450 a tick clearly we aren’t capped at night and clearly there is a presence from the other servers otherwise it would be maxed ticks.

You dont see oceanics complaining about day capping why they sleep/work do you? Get over yourselves NA players. Play the game have fun, if your so concerned with a score move servers shrug dont know what else to say.

Want fair? spvp or pve.

Im sorry all you folks out here saying well I didn’t join a war I play to have fun…

Well your having fun when your on aren’t you? your sieging having epic fights etc etc.

Thats fun.

What your complaining about is losing, if your playing to win guess what wvwvw is not for you if your casual, sorry thats just how it is. Accept it and have fun pvping in wvwvw when you do play or leave the game and dont play wvwvw.

Its as simple as that.

WvWvW is a war, an in game war, its not meant to be fair hence why its 3 servers fighting. And maps aren’t undefended at night, some are just extremely weak and cant function without their leadership holding their hand. Thats where you fail. Same with day time fights before primetime.

Its valid to 2v1 someone to secure victory, its also valid to take advantage of a weaker night time force to stop out their advancement and make it harder for them.

Thenoob.1480:

Could there perhaps be a generic placeholder for characters that are being rendered? No doubt it will look awkward, but at least it would give people an idea of what they’re supposed to be seeing.
Or is the problem that our clients aren’t even being told there are people to be rendered?

I dont know I run SSD in Raid I highly doubt that my pc isn’t keeping up, im gonna say there is a bug somewhere.

If SBI comes out on top next match up all I can say is have fun with all the bads filling up your ques. My condolences. And shame on Anet for letting it continue to happen.

Mike Ferguson needs to make a comment about night capping and its intended design to put all the QQ to rest once and for all.

Nothing like running from a 40 man zerg, and realizing the empty area you ran to had 40 more people and your now sitting in the middle of them…. gg lol.

I am stocked up and ready to go for the rematch hope its good!

melchiz.7182:

HellsPriest.6745:

I personally would suggest for you to stay with us. Think about it, other servers ARE getting better. Good enough to beat us? lol no.

HoD got stomped up until the reset zerging and night capping started. PRX and CND were stuck in the same BL getting humiliated for over 48 hours straight.

Its not humilating to lose battles when your fighting two servers at the same time in top tier, its an honor and a challenge.

Think its time you wake up.

Make excuses as to why you lost the lead if you want, but no one on HoD really gives a crap. The original HoD players love pvp whether its winning or losing. We perfer to win though, and its not our fault we are playing the game as it was designed. Its also not our fault bandwagon players zerged our server, you can blame Anet for that not HoD players. And reset zerging? lol okay, so what when theres a reset you guys all just go to bed….. that must be our fault shame on us….. kitten

Zimba.6192:

Keldrath.4735:

I know JQ and ET hate HoD.

idk how many others actually hate us.

You mad bro?

Im loving this match There’s always people to fight, stuff to take and a enemy that dont give up, loving it

Thank god! thats the spirit. its all about the pvp first and foremost.

grifflyman.8102:

This is basically it. HoD has some great guilds and players that others will follow, but the diverse play times is key…

SBI was 30,000 points ahead over the weekends! During the early mornings on weekdays I don’t even get queues…most of our map control comes at around 5-12 eastern time zone.

Tuesday night when we closed the gap and took the lead, we actually had a few hundred PPT over everyone else before midnight by 2am we were in control… by 4am when oceanics start piling in we had hit 600 ppt at certain points, no que time btw.

Our prime time crew took everything when people started logging for the night, this is a case of casual vs hardcore players, after we took it all oceanic players started fortifying and upgrading what we took as well as maintaining it.

I work during the day but ill stay up till 2-3am to help increase our lead and go to work 5-6 hours later…

And trust me the other two servers arent empty between 9pm and 2am when most of us keep pushing. it starts to die out after around 2am but we already took control by that time.

Another HoD thread….. weeeeeeeeee round and round we go, flame war commence.

Kracin.6078:

winning unconditionally is more boring than being on the losing side…. you sit in wvw and do… nothing…. except maybe porting between the grub and the spirit champion…

and then what happens? you wait for someone to call out that someone captured something so you can wipe it out in 5 minutes or less, gain your 700 point tick back, then go back to grub and champion farming.

yay fun..

on a sid enote, the fact that you cannot render enemies at all during large fights is causing huge problems for people who want to play even when outmanned.

we spent an hour fighting for our isle keep in EB tonight when HoD wiped out the whole map..

we were in, we had the keep back to our color 1 tick away from capping… and suddenly….. there was someone in our midst that we couldn’t see… it was a thief, but the problem was, we had 25 people in the circle, and apparently he had enough time between stealth going away and rendering to get back into stealth because he never came out of stealth until the reinforcements arrived…. screwed by the rendering issues. eventually we got a few people with eyes on him as soon as they died (im sure veryone knows how nice it is that apparently you cant render enemies until you die to them haha)

Ya the rendering issue is bad…. you could be running through a zerg of enemies and not even know it lol.

Raze.5420:

I find it hilarious….. Last week Ruin (and other ET guilds) were telling IoJ and SoS how awesome their Oceanic / Asian presence was and that made them the most awesome guild ever to play any MMO ever…..

Now they are whingeing because someone else is doing the same to them? I guess they haven’t doing too much server swapping this week then?

Hilarious.

This actually true.

Little recap on RUIN.
QQ we lost vs henge, its because our server NSP is too big so we are transferring to a small server so we can all play with no ques….

Matched against other servers, epic bragging and night cappage just like HoD.

Matched against HoD now, nothing but excuses on why they are losing…. now apparently they dont have enough people, and their magical night crew is…. no where to be seen…

Whats next on the table guys. Lets move on from this SBI/HoD/ET crap.

Ascii.9726:

@ 06:50 GMT, to save all these people and there riddling.

HoD Night-Capping > SBI/ET Double team Prime-time efforts > HoD Prime-time efforts

fixed for accuracy. Thank me later.

This thread is…. wait what is the point of this thread o.o theres like 5 topics on this very thing already….. and your being very blantant with your finger pointing and hate.

Zahdane.4029:

I don’t want to limit anyone’s fun.
What I’m suggesting is some of the serious pvp overnight crews on HoD transfer elsewhere for an even split.

How fun can it really be to just steam roll through keeps and not fight anyone?

If we the players do not fix this, ANet will likely try in a panic maneuver.
And they will likely fail.

Much better if the players take proactive measures to ensure a balanced gaming experience for those involved.
But that’s just my opinion.

I think Im going to play tonight, record it and post it here.

The keeps aren’t empty at night, nor are the battle fields.

Kracin.6078:

azizul.8469:

melchiz.7182:

Binafus.8153:

So HOD has lead the points per tick all night during your prime time tonight?

Who you gonna blame that on?

Before long it will be 24 hours straight HOD has lead in point per tick every tick.

Pick the hour that is your perfect time for your server, all the stars align, the sun is not in your eyes, YOU LOST THAT HOUR TOO.

LOL

HoD was at #2 or #3 in points/tick for 90%+ of the time until the server reset occurred. They magically gained 25k points after grabbing everything following the reset. So yeah, they were outplayed since Friday, and their only means of winning has been fighting against ghosts.

it is not HoD’s fault if the players from the other servers couldn’t get in fast enough after the server reset….

just as how HoD suffered when most of the TA players couldn’t get in right after the server rematchup…..

so your argument is flawed….

im pretty sure you are just dense.

because his point is that after a server reset at midnight (west coast time, for those of you who are still in daylight while this happens), it is a good stopping point for a lot of people who work the next day. and even though the other servers still log back on to try and hold things, a lot of people are lost because there is a large decline of people on other servers during the weekdays… significantly at those times

he did after all mention HoD being outplayed from friday til sunday, and then once server pops declined on the other sides, HoD magically captures everything and pulls ahead…. hint, it isn’t because they pulled some special tactics out

Not out played, double teamed. Theres a difference.

Same goes for at night 2v1 right? SBI/ET get to 2v1 us during the day and we 2 v1 you at night with more numbers. Sounds like a fair trade to me.
Disclaimer I am not saying there is an alliance between servers

All I have to say is why cant we all just get along.

Everyone is frustrated.

Time to take a break from gw2, the drama in these first few weeks in mindblowing.

Nick.3926:

Are you telling me that Oceanics are causing all the queues on this one server (HoD), and therefore need to leave their server?

No, not at all, but when you are sitting in a 200 player queue at 3 am while no other NA server has a queue at that time it’s a matter of numbers.
I can tell by your comments and questions that you’re a very extreme person lol. Not everything is so black and white.

Telling players to balance out a server that is heavy on pop is like trying to herd cats…. good luck. There will always be bandwagon players that flock to the number one server ALWAYS. It will never change.

If SBI were to start winning every match everyone that bandwagoned to HoD would jump ship to SBI, because hey why not transfers are free! So then what? Is the original SBI crew supposed to pack up and leave because a bunch of people ruined their server for them?

Theres not much logic in that.

Binafus.8153:

So HOD has lead the points per tick all night during your prime time tonight?

Who you gonna blame that on?

Before long it will be 24 hours straight HOD has lead in point per tick every tick.

Pick the hour that is your perfect time for your server, all the stars align, the sun is not in your eyes, YOU LOST THAT HOUR TOO.

LOL

Well the problem is HoD night crew took it all then upgraded it all.

I dont think you would be wanting to WvWvW either if you logged in for some pvp to not even be able to take your own keep back.

Whats the point is what it basically comes down to.

Nick.3926:

And what really needs to happen is for HoD players to spread out, but you never thought of that did you? Nope, it’s everyone else’s fault but your own…

What needs to happen is for your guild to either transfer to the Oceanic populated servers, or to recruit more Oceanic guild to your own server. The solution is really simple, take control of your fate and stop publicly, endlessly, kittening, and generally acting like you can’t fix it your end.

You’re just embarrassing your own server by continuing to post. By post I mean whine.

Grim West is right. You need to spread out. The reason Anet posted the queue graphs was to show players the queue “problem” with the hopes that they would spread out accordingly.
What you and the vast majority of the HoD players in this thread is the opposite and instead of taking it as a signal to spread out to lessen queues and to help balance servers, you take it as a sign of superiority.
You missed the hint, by a mile.

We could move…. but then everyone will just follow again.

Anet free transfers are game breaking.

shortcake.8659:

Someone shine this Namu moron’s tin foil hat a bit for him. He is making us at the best server, Henge of Denravi, look like a bunch of idiots. As the recently appointed leader of the Titans Alliance, I will have to ask you to stop posting.

Tin foil hat? Ive said nothing in regards that would be considered tinfoil hat material….

Nick.3926:

Nope and that was the plan, it was calculated.

Oh yes, calculated. You try to make it sound like some complex plan when in reality it’s just numbers.
That’s why it’s no fun and not worth it. No matter how well we do, not matter how much money we sink into WvW during our prime time, it’s all for naught. Because of your great calculated plan of… population imbalance.

Then we took advantage of your weak night game during the weekdays, believe it or not you do have people that play at night, they just aren’t as good.

Not as good? Maybe. Not as numerous? Definitely.

Exactly. Most mmo players are pretty savvy, especially pvp players. They know pretty quickly when a game’s basic system is flawed and pointless. Most players have better things to do than to be fighting HoD’s nite cap zerg.

Yeah, the most we can hope for is some karma and some badges. It’s not worth it to sink any money into WvW when you know you are going to lose almost everything during the night.

So you consider taking 2 servers to be a rightous victory huh? good to know. Cuz if HoD and ET had been attacking SBI instead of SBI/ET attacking HoD SBI would have been in the dirt all weekend… then what would your excuse be?

Just curious. Because many seem to think their server single handedly kept HoD at bay during the weekend lol.

If night capping wasn’t legit Anet wouldn’t have put it in the game.

Just like if double teaming wasn’t legit they wouldn’t let you do it.

But both are viable tactics.

The fact is some people are just sore losers, never once in my TS was anyone complaining this weekend, we had a blast. A few even said its about time we get a good fight…. granted it took two servers attacking at the same time to give us that fight everyone loved it…. even when we were losing.

Some of you are acting like kids all you see is numbers and if the numbers aren’t in your favor your looking for a way to discount the server thats winning. Good job 12 year olds.

Sky.9347:

Namu.5712:

Its prime time right now…. I guess our lack of presence during prime time means we should be getting stomped right…
HoD 390
SBI 190
ET 115

This thread seriously degraded hard in the last 3 pages.

SBI has instant queues right now. I waited 10 minutes for EB, instant into any Borderland.

Its prime time right now…. I guess our lack of presence during prime time means we should be getting stomped right…
HoD 390
SBI 190
ET 115

This thread seriously degraded hard in the last 3 pages.

A possible fix to make people feel better is lowering the amount allowed in wvwvw from all sides at night.

so if wvwvw during the day is 500v500v500
then after a certain point at night it would lower the cap to like 200v200v200….. but even then servers that only have like 40 on at 3am are going to suffer regardless.

Because if you make it to low then you make people mad with ques. Currently on HoD there is no que at night between like 9pm-4amish, early morning there is however.

Keldrath.4735:

I don’t get all of this “henge has no skill because they just attack doors all night” argument. I play at Primetime and I also play during the night a lot of the time as well. At night it is never just “player vs door” You just act like these servers have no presence at night. Well sorry, they very much do. Maybe not to the same extent as during primetime, where they can defend and attack simultaneously pretty easily, but it’s never a case of “player vs door” We fight for all of the keeps and towers we take, we just are able to take them and hold them at night much easier because we aren’t on the defensive the entire time. They have just as many players defending their stuff at night as they do during the day. they just aren’t attacking us at the same time as easily, and we can hold both defense and offense at night. They take stuff at night as well, the bigger difference is we are better than both servers at defending what we take. It’s something SBI is very good at as well. but when they atack at night they overextend a bit and we just take whatever we are attacking, then take back the place we lost and defend them both. because once we take a place, we don’t give it up very easily.

Yup I recall taking ET’s tower tonight on Green map closest to their spawn…. they had just as many people as we did bunkered in the tower, they had lots of seige as well. Was about an hour fight, we had 2 trebs hitting the walls from a keep we took earlier to help with the battle.

Seems like they vanish after primetime but they dont… they just aren’t EVERYWHERE attacking and defending. niether are we at night

Alot of us are doing ALOT of running back and forth. Oh we have xxx SBI at xxx location…. stop attacking xxx and come back or we are losing this spot! Run back accross the map flank SBI wipe them out and secure our spot again. Not with overwhelming numbers either.

ET has very little presence at night but they stay grouped up. And I believe they get the outmanned buff because both SBI/HoD are factored into that enemy count.

Sky.9347:

And that is a good point Namu…

" the top servers cant even 2v1 HoD…"

Mike Ferguson said that they designed W3 around the concept of having 3 servers, so that 2 servers could always team up and keep a more powerful 3rd server in check – thus maintaining the competitiveness of the match.

This week is proof that there is a flaw that interferes with that design.

ET and SBI are two very competent W3 servers. I mean, we have high participation, coordination, and sink massive resources into our W3 games. We BOTH went full force at HoD while only basically maintaining borders with one another, and due to the population mis match at off hours, HoD will still win this match.

Therefore, 2 servers can not keep 1 server in check, and it has nothing to do with the quality of any server. Population mis-matches mean that there is NO WAY HoD will ever lose. Their off-hours player base is so large and active that there are literally (seemingly) not enough players with a similar schedule on any other NA server, maybe not even combined.

There is no systemic change that can fix or even help this situation. This must be solved with server rules. Combine them all, or forcibly break them up, or whatever.

Until ANet is willing to do that, this won’t change.

They really need to offer guilds the opportunity to keep their influence during transfers, even if only temporarily.

Yup, basically this. HoD while getting hammered was still hanging in there during primetime… even assualting at some points. But after about 9pm my time POOF SBI/ET had seemed to just vanish.

I think at one point tonight not even that late we were at around 600 PPT and both SBI/ET 50 or lower.
Its 1030AM and SBI/ET are starting to claw back in and regain lost points from the night HoD is around 445 las I checked and SBI/ET over 150 so things are starting to level back out.
I suspect tonight will be another epic fight with all 3 servers neck and neck PPT wise, but come night fall I fear HoD will pass up SBI for the lead. They closed the gap by nearly 20k in just around 8 hours o.o and put ET in 3rd by around 17k points. Just one night is all it took for them to take a 3rd place position and bring themselves very close to the first place slot.

Maybe the majority of off peak players dont wvw o.o….. That would be my guess.

Rommel.1905:

and this is why we 2 v 1 HoD during the weekend and personally ill continue trying to do so during the week.

big picture, HoD HAS TO LOSE. the longer HoD goes on undefeated the more players give up, or worse, transfer to HoD. next cycle will be what, sbi vs jq vs hod and itll be their turn to try 2 v 1 HoD and if they fail…. prepare for a huge mass of people playing wvw to put a lot less energy into it.

defeatist attitudes are strong when your opponent is undefeated…. if HoD were to lose just 1 match itll result in months of strong play, people wont give up because they can always point to that one time they lost and use it as hope.

ET vs SBI vs JQ would be an awesome epic fight that we’ll never see.

This is 100% right.

I played Aion for 3 years…. I know better then anyone what happens to a side that never wins. RvR Eylos always dominating Asmo because of their sheer numbers. Asmo players would be locked out of pve areas due to losing during pvp events, was really just a horrible game design in general. But after awhile no one even bothered showing up to pvp during seige it was just meh why bother not like we will have enough people…. and if we do get alot they will just bring more like always.

So ya I see exactly what you mean there.

But at least wvw is ranked… so smaller servers dont have to fight HoD never will fight HoD. But if the top servers cant even 2v1 HoD…. well ya thats gonna have a negative effect that makes pvp very stale.

I would still pvp for the sake of pvping however… but not everyone shares that mind set.

Sky.9347:

Namu.5712:

Well thats true Sam im not implying a alliance or truce. Just a mutal hate and bloodlust towards HoD. Which is good made this week fun lol.

The QQ about the night capping is getting old though, just as much part of WvW as the primetime shennanigans going on everyday. If they had a strong night time force I bet they wouldn’t complain.

Listen, we all know that “night capping” is a part of the game. But it is frustrating from our perspective.

HoD is the only NA server that doesn’t have any issue with it, because they are the only NA server with a high participation rate from non-NA primetime players.

Every W3 matchup is primarily decided on these once-a-day population mismatches. It’s unavoidable, and will result in 2 week matches being a landslide in points victory. Hell, 1 week matches can’t be balanced properly because of it.

The only solution to this would be to integrate all EU and NA servers into a single large server pool.

Otherwise, they should simply do away with the score totals. Because when you spend 20 hours on a weekend fighting tooth and nail to secure and defend your position you feel awesome. You invested money and time into your position. Then you get home Monday and you’re bottom of the pile, have no objectives controlled, and can not get a cohesive force together because most people already gave up.

And then you start to push back the dominant server (ie: whoever has the most off hours W3 players), and you consider… “how much money/time am I going to invest in this map THIS time?”… and you just figure you’ll save it for next Friday when you actually have a chance to see your investment pay off.

Please don’t misunderstand my post for QQ – I still play W3 and love every moment of it. But I also understand the frustration of being night capped. It isn’t something worth getting upset about, but it does induce a long sigh.

And for anyone who doesn’t play on HoD (or any server that completely dominates via off hours capping), we all know that the best part of the W3 match is the first weekend after reset. Once the week starts, it’s meh at best – not really worth putting any gold into (or trying to win), but still fun for a few epic fights.

Surely you can see how that has the MAJORITY of W3 players rather frustrated?

For sure I dont deny it would be frustrating to wake up to a server totally turned.

But without that 24 hour mechanic, WvWvW just wouldn’t work.

Because no matter the match up the server that gets teamed up on during primetime is going to lose no matter what, and it would really have nothing to do with skill at all.

Server A and B decide server C is going to lose…. they make it happen… then A and B fight each other. Well server C is probably like this game blows, broken game is broken because A and B put us so far behind that theres no possible way to catch up.

The only way to not do 24 hour wvwvw is just have server vs server match ups or possibly do a 4 way match up.

Thats true, I imagine alot of people would not be happy if Anet stepped in and basically said you cant WvW during xx hours. I mean alot of people all over can only play at night (night jobs). Alot of people go to work from 8am to 5pm and other variations of those hours…. alot dont.

I could forsee alliances happening as well if that were to happen. because then primetime points would be the most important and would secure victory every time for the two servers teaming up. Wouldn’t be good at all if they did that.

Nick.3926:

The only way for HoD to be taken from the #1 spot is for #2 and #3 to double team them every single day during prime time and to have an actual working and lasting truce.
Complete domination of HoD, like what happened in EB day 1 is the only way to put them so far behind that their night crew cant make up the difference.

Any 3 way fighting will result in a win for HoD, any.

But even that has proven….. well difficult as ET was unable to get any substantial point gain over HoD even with both servers primarily focusing their main force on HoD.

I believe after what I saw yesterday during primetime is that ET will remain in 3rd place unless they really step up their game tonight during primetime, because the PPT during primetime is close, sometimes HoD is ticking the most and sometimes the least.

But we remained 1k points behind ET during primetime unwavering and now we have a good lead on ET, so if it plays out the same as last night ET might be in trouble. SBI is probably going to remain in the lead… who knows, good server.

Well thats true Sam im not implying a alliance or truce. Just a mutal hate and bloodlust towards HoD. Which is good made this week fun lol.

The QQ about the night capping is getting old though, just as much part of WvW as the primetime shennanigans going on everyday. If they had a strong night time force I bet they wouldn’t complain.

maximumpanda.5178:

im not going to sugar coat it.

HOD is properly prepared for the WvW of this game.
they have numbers
they have skill

the simple fact is neither SBI/JQ/ET alone have the ability to field and army the size of HOD combined during off hours. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT TACTIC with WvW in its current state, it is he who has the largest army and the greatest coordination. thus HOD is currently the only server prepared to dominate WvW during the week days.

this week is a good fight and it has been interesting and ruin anyway is happy for the fight. we will be seeing you out there this afternoon.

Its been alot of fun fighting both servers on multiple fronts rather then steam rolling one server and the other is the only one putting up a fight…. has made for a intense week….

but the trash talking in the forums is getting annoying. QQ about tag teaming, QQ about night capping….. its like if your not winning 24/7 someones gotta QQ…. and if you are winning your talking about how your winning because the other server just aint that good…. lol

shakedown.1472:

Namu.5712:

10 bucks says no one comments about my screen shots which show the glaring truth about the tag teaming going on lol….. not saying its intentional just saying its happening and its put HoD on the big D during primetime because we literally cant do anything else while being swarmed by both servers.’

Which is just fine, part of the game, but stop acting like your server is better then someone elses server when your playing dirty and you know it.

ET and SBI have no choice but to “tag team” against HoD because your night crew cleans up the map when the two other servers are sleeping. There’s no strategic benefit in us attacking each other when we collectively own like 10% of the map.

I play on ET and it does suck seeing the server make so much progress during EST peak hours only to see it all gone the next morning.

Which is fine… whats not fine is saying they aren’t skilled because they are losing the PPT race during primetime….. the fact that they stay with in range of both SBI and ET during primetime speaks for itself.
And just like strategic hits based on the other servers offense is a good strat so is off peak hour WvW, its HoD’s chance to make up the point gap without two servers breathing down their backs nonstop forcing them to just sit on D unable to increase their PPT significantly enough to overcome the lead server in this case SBI.

But in the end its all good fun and pvp imo. Just stop the trash talk about whose better based off a point system that has far to many factors to account for player skill.

Aza.2105:

Redundancy.7325:

Namu.5712:

Heres some screen shots taken during last nights primetime, Please note the time stamps on my minimap….. it clearly shows a massive offensive by BOTH ET and SBI on HoD’s door step at garrison…. BOTH servers working to take the garrison which they didn’t even after HOURS of attacking.

You realize that if 2 forces are attacking the same keep, they not only have to defeat the defenders for control of the keep but also fight the opposing side for control.

I daresay it’s harder to take the garrison in a 3 way fight than trying to assault it 1v1.

I was going to say the same thing. Clearly in this screenshot it enforces that fact: http://imageshack.us/a/img100/3343/gw074c.jpg

ET is attacking SBI from the walls. They aren’t working together, so yeah its a three way battle. Sounds like that’s how the game should be, so what is the complaint?

Your missing the point… ya if ET went down the wall to north gate they would get attacked of course by SBI.

The point is BOTH were putting pressure on HoD for hours on end at garrison making any progression outside of the usual camp take overs pretty much impossible for HoD….. Which is good strategy, pressure the strong server. Not saying theres anything wrong with it at all.

But sitting in the forums saying they are less skilled because during prime time they are getting hammered by two servers…. comon now, lets be real here.

Redundancy.7325:

Namu.5712:

Heres some screen shots taken during last nights primetime, Please note the time stamps on my minimap….. it clearly shows a massive offensive by BOTH ET and SBI on HoD’s door step at garrison…. BOTH servers working to take the garrison which they didn’t even after HOURS of attacking.

You realize that if 2 forces are attacking the same keep, they not only have to defeat the defenders for control of the keep but also fight the opposing side for control.

I daresay it’s harder to take the garrison in a 3 way fight than trying to assault it 1v1.

Except they were mainly just ignoring each other, I saw a few ET vs SBI skrimishes at our door but they were few….

ET was on our east side firing trebs into our commander room trying to hit from there while SBI hammered the west and north gates with ET at the south gate on foot. For the most part they ignored each other.

But the difficulty of it wasn’t what I am talking about its the fact that they both knew by doing so we had no choice but to stop all offensive and focus on defending for if we lost the garrison it would have been bad.

Being locked down by two servers that really could care less about each other unless they cross paths is what caused HoD to basically have to turtle up during primetime, that some how has been translated as them being bad or less skillful…. then the two servers attacking them at the same time on almost every front….. yet its not okay for HoD to cap and regain ground at night because they are outnumbered…… welcome to HoD primetime I say…. part of the game just as much as the primetime tag teaming going on.

10 bucks says no one comments about my screen shots which show the glaring truth about the tag teaming going on lol….. not saying its intentional just saying its happening and its put HoD on the big D during primetime because we literally cant do anything else while being swarmed by both servers.’

Which is just fine, part of the game, but stop acting like your server is better then someone elses server when your playing dirty and you know it.