Guild Wars 2

Spartyr.6795:

Oozo.7856:

In this movie a talented player kills people with one of the most inbalanced classes in the history of MMO PvP and calls the people he kills noobs.

It’s a shame your talent is wasted on a class I personally can’t have any respect for. Want to impress me, try doing this on another class.

Tell us how you really feel, lol.

Seriously though, nice vid. People can claim how imba the thief is, but they ignore the paper thin armor, and susceptibility to stunlocks and confusion condition. Everyone only remembers the thief that handed them their butt on a platter, and not the hundred other ones they killed or drove away.

Paper thin armor doesn’t really matter when you can just stealth and not get hit then because of the rendering bug resume your attack before your even seen by the other players client, thats what makes the thief op and broken right now.

Slic has skills though no doubt, but if you watch the video closely everytime after leaving stealth theres a good delay between when someone actually starts hitting him again, its not cuz they are bad they just dont see him yet even tho hes left stealth.

He will understand this ref. its like in aion when a sm just lol dots and kites you then if you get close or hit them they fear you away while they lol at you while you die from dots… because you cant hit them. basically what this thief build is based around…. not getting hit and dots, and a large factor playing to his advantage is that stealth is bugged out allowing a huge play advantage.

Killing HoD players 1v1 2v1 3v1 as a cond theif isn’t a big deal.
Spam 1 stealth when needed = win.

You cant kill someone you cant see, while you continue to take damage. Which is why the thief is rather OP right now and everyone has one in spvp and more are rolling them. They have so many tools to avoid damage completely.

Then couple that with the fact that you cant even see them come out of stealth for a good 1 or 2 seconds after they have left stealth is another issue. Ties into the rendering bug.

I dont know feels like your bragging about headshotting someone from a mile away with a .50 cal and then calling them bad for not seeing you and not killing you with their knife lol.

Im not discounting your skill by any means but you need to realize your taking advantage of an OP class and a broken mechanic, which is fine but no need to rag on people for losing to it. And no im not in any of your videos nor have I seen you in wvwvw… yet.

solution:

Close off transfers to full/high pop servers and only allow people to go to medium or low

Kolly.9872:

and finally Tuesday has come
good morning SBI and JQ

ouch, good morning indeed.

Least they can have fun fighting to reclaim stuff.

Roland Falantyr.3290:

Namu.5712:

Kazim.2043:

Cloud.7613:

All I see is Oceanic this, Oceanic that. This is a global problem, It needs to be solved, ANet is expecting we solve this as a community but what community? As an Oceanic player, I’m willing to move out from Sea of Sorrows, but where? I cannot move to a full server and what if there is absolutely no off-peak activity on the one I go to? And what IF a full server is pretty much 100% NA player base?

These are just a few of many questions surrounding the situation, this is not any players fault or their location, we’re in the dark as much as you with the solution, ANet has to at least help in some way but so far they have not. Free transfer? thanks, but the rapid amount of guilds just picking up and moving is causing more issues then it is solving.

For once I completely agree with you. IMO we should keep this as a common ground and move forward from this.

WvW MANIFESTO:

• There is a problem and majority is unhappy about it
• This is not a problem created by Oceanic/Canadian players, in general this is not a problem created by players, but game mechanics/design.
• This problem can not be solved by players. Game mechanics/design need some improvements.
• This problem can be solved fairly. WvW is not doomed to die or become a niche sport, only a small player base can enjoy/compete.
• Solutions should not hinder any player’s game time. Should not prevent them enjoying the game, whenever they want to.
• Solutions should not provide unfair advantage/disadvantage to any player playing any time of the game. Players should not have to change their life styles to be useful/competitive on WvW.

Actually your making stuff up now. The majority are unhappy about nightcapping? Says who? I see the same people complaining about it in the forums. And on that note I see the same people defending it.

If you want to go by the forums, its pretty much 50/50.

Lets keep things real shall we.

If you are on a server with no oceanic presence then WvW is pointless if one of your opponents does have an oceanic presence.

How can you think this is a good thing?

Im sorry but where did I state its a good thing? I like how people qoute things then just make random kitten up in a reply lol

Kazim.2043:

Cloud.7613:

All I see is Oceanic this, Oceanic that. This is a global problem, It needs to be solved, ANet is expecting we solve this as a community but what community? As an Oceanic player, I’m willing to move out from Sea of Sorrows, but where? I cannot move to a full server and what if there is absolutely no off-peak activity on the one I go to? And what IF a full server is pretty much 100% NA player base?

These are just a few of many questions surrounding the situation, this is not any players fault or their location, we’re in the dark as much as you with the solution, ANet has to at least help in some way but so far they have not. Free transfer? thanks, but the rapid amount of guilds just picking up and moving is causing more issues then it is solving.

For once I completely agree with you. IMO we should keep this as a common ground and move forward from this.

WvW MANIFESTO:

• There is a problem and majority is unhappy about it
• This is not a problem created by Oceanic/Canadian players, in general this is not a problem created by players, but game mechanics/design.
• This problem can not be solved by players. Game mechanics/design need some improvements.
• This problem can be solved fairly. WvW is not doomed to die or become a niche sport, only a small player base can enjoy/compete.
• Solutions should not hinder any player’s game time. Should not prevent them enjoying the game, whenever they want to.
• Solutions should not provide unfair advantage/disadvantage to any player playing any time of the game. Players should not have to change their life styles to be useful/competitive on WvW.

Actually your making stuff up now. The majority are unhappy about nightcapping? Says who? I see the same people complaining about it in the forums. And on that note I see the same people defending it.

If you want to go by the forums, its pretty much 50/50.

Lets keep things real shall we.

I like all these assumptions that HoD has 24/7 ques and that no one else is on at night vs HoD lol.

Good stuff.

shortcake.8659:

You’d think this Namu guy would spend more time in game trying to improve than posting on the forums but apparently he’s content with backpedaling in circles and giving the enemy team loot bags while making HoD look like a bunch of idiots.

What you talking about? Im a spy Im not on the front lies I waste supply in towers, flame ram extraordinaire.

Don’t be jelly.

I like how when the tables are turned SBI QQ’s just like HoD did last weekend… what happened to that prime time dominance?

MagnusLL.8473:

Namu.5712:

If you haven’t noticed the community is pretty much 50/50 on this issue… just pointing it out.

I somehow suspect the relative numbers are a bit different, seeing as the current system penalizes those who play at peak times who are by definition the majority (otherwise it wouldn’t be called “peak time” in the first place).
Either way, it’s unfortunate for them, as they will need to choose one way or the other.

It doesn’t occur to you that some just login have fun pvping and then log out they aren’t obessed over their server score.

Zireael.3285:

MagnusLL.8473:

So instead of fixing your own problem as a server (field people during NA sleepytime/daytime in other parts of world and become 24/7) or as a guild (move guild to a server that either doesn’t care about fronting 24/7 and be happy that way, or to a server that already fronts 24/7) you’d rather threaten the game devs.

Are you for real?

Here’s a newsflash: I paid Arenanet to play this game.
If they want me to fix their development blunders, they need to pay me instead.

I couldn’t have said it better.

@lollie: I payed for it so I want the game to be the way I, or in this case, WE WANT. If Anet wants to make the game for themselves then I expect they will be the only people playing it. If they want us to stay, then the scoring system MUST and WILL reflect combat. Otherwise we won’t be here. And yes, it is a threat if you don’t see a problem. You can’t seem to talk to people these days any other way then pointing a gun at them or threatening to take their money to actually make them do what needs to be done. If you don’t make threats people see it as merely complains, as “people always moan” or “they want an easy win”. We’re not some dumb american wow children generation. We’re veterans of many PVP games. We want good, hard, rewarding combat system that promotes tactics, strategy, communication and perfect execution. And here’s an information for you, server transfer to win does not mean any of the above. We picked a server at start and we will stay on it and wait for the devs to make the WvW playable. We will wait and do absolutely nothing until WvW is fixed. Get it? Nothing. We payed for the kitten thing so we want it fixed. WANT. Not ask, not even suggest. WANT.

If you haven’t noticed the community is pretty much 50/50 on this issue… just pointing it out.

etiolate.9185:

Namu.5712:

There will always be complainers….. you can never make everyone happy.

They could have the buff calculated based on the number they are outnumbered by. But it comes to a point where you have to look at your server and what you want.

If your server has weak or no night players that pvp…. you might want to move servers.
To a server that is more focused on pvp rather then not.

Why is it that the majority keeps getting told to move servers or “deal with it” while the minority get to keep things as screwed up as they are?

I didn’t say that.

I said if your that concerned about your servers performance in wvwvw you might want to look at your current situation. Don’t twist my words please.

You completely ignored a legit fix in the line just above what you commented on and instead twisted my comment below.

I didn’t say Deal wtih it, nor did I say you need to move.

I suggested a fix then I suggested that if your not happy with your server move.

hyttemaier.7950:

flags.6523:

Nope, not what I’m saying at all. Allow me to simplify my thoughts:

1. I like the scoreboard, and believe it enhances competition and server pride. Taking it out is not worth the harm to a competitive environment just because some people might get their feelings hurt when they’re on the losing side.

2. If the scoreboard was taken out, anet would likely lose me as a customer for the cash shop and future expansions.

Thats the thing WvW isent competitive at all its who got the greatest numbers wins, its a win/win solution think about it.

Being how theres a cap on wvw thats not true. Numbers are pretty equal except at night they can be skewed.

Bunnehboo.6025:

Namu.5712:

I am a spy, and I place flame rams on cliffs…. I hide behind supply camps and steal their bags and make seige.

wait you steal supply from the supply camps?
>:I you’re a fail spy suppose to take it from the towers
go transfer and do it right

hahahaha well at some point towers run out ive gotta do something that fulfills my spy sabatoge qouta.

I am a spy, and I place flame rams on cliffs…. I hide behind supply camps and steal their bags and make seige.

There will always be complainers….. you can never make everyone happy.

They could have the buff calculated based on the number they are outnumbered by. But it comes to a point where you have to look at your server and what you want.

If your server has weak or no night players that pvp…. you might want to move servers.
To a server that is more focused on pvp rather then not.

Jayne.8749:

Behold the Borg of Denravi

lololol kitten bout to get real

Phara Miu.2816:

Scouts report where main forces are going then you attack the least defended spots, this goes for many servers.
Teaming up is a myth on most cases as you attack what you can with the leasts resistance to screo as much points as you can.

Responding to attacks is what makes a diffrence and stops other teams from scoring points.
Sometimes that means 2 servers vs 1 that can be your server or 1 of your opoents who gets double teamed.

But in no way servers team up on skype / irc or whatever communication is out there to 100% team up versus one other server, that would nerf your points per day very hard.

But some servers need to scream this stuff as their kitten just got slapped into the ground.

I dont think anyone thinks theres any teaming via ts/skype. But defiantly an unspoken hey look we aren’t attacking you right now we are hitting xx gate you should hit the other gate. Which results in a omg double team outlook.

Or 2 servers admit they ignored another server to focus one server lol.

Adjust the outmanned buff to mean something.

Problem solved.

Anything else really does intrude on a specific play groups time.

Saerith.2015:

Guys, JQ and HoD are going to do everything in their power to try to knock down SBI to the next tier. We knew this was going to happen, and we’re just going to have to deal with it. HoD wants the easy wins, and JQ wants the #2 spot badly. I just hope our leadership and players step it up more than what I saw tonight.

Actually we want good fights but nice try. Whatever you need to tell yourself I guess. *shrug

choob.4269:

Namu.5712:

Choob thats not true not once did SBI have an outmanned buff until they just stopped trying.

Right now its 239am and the battle is fierce between the servers.

Stop assuming no one is playing at night, theres always people playing.

Did I say no one was playing at night? No.
The issue is that servers have more night time players than other servers creating the night capping issue.
Obviously there’s always people playing. It’s about the coverage.
SBI during the week does not have as much nighttime coverage as HoD. I’m not sure what you’re getting at unless you’re telling me that the night capping issue doesn’t exist, seeing as the battle is “fierce” at 2:39am. Let me know if it’s the same during a weekday when people have work, school, etc.

Work and school is a valid point but many of our night players also work at 8am 9am the next day but we still stay up to secure victory. Its a matter of dedication to being on top vs meh im casual I only play between 6pm and 9pm then I go to bed.

What Anet is saying is both efforts are equal whether its at night or during primetime. And they dont view changing points depending on time of play to be fair nor lessening your que ability, based on a server lack of activity.

And it is the same during the weekdays…. HoD has no ques during the weekdays early morning, we are not capped out 24/7 another assumption people make about that server.

If they want a decent fix make the buff you get when your outnumbered actually do something that defends from losing positions. That would be the best fix imo. Because if you change point income, you make off peak players efforts less meaningful even if they fought tooth and nail for what they have. People are automatically assuming no one is on. If you limit ques based on activity that also hurts off peak players its not fair either. Anything that interferes with night time such as point gains/queing rules is not a good fix and will just swing this arguement the other way and create another problem.

If your server is outnumbered at night and get the buff the buff should increase position defenses making caps harder and increases player attack and defense power (within reason) 5 people shouldn’t be able to wipe like 50 people but you get the idea.

Choob thats not true not once did SBI have an outmanned buff until they just stopped trying.

Right now its 239am and the battle is fierce between the servers.

Stop assuming no one is playing at night, theres always people playing.

If you have zero people on at night and your mad about pvp you should probably move to a more active server, just my 2 cents.

But I dont buy that your servers wvwvw is 100% dead at night.

Zierk.4289:

@HOD/SBI on Blue BL: Good fight at garrison tonight. I don’t think there has been a battle on the garrison with all 3 teams fighting at the same time ever. A couple times JQ/SBI breached inner gates at the same time on different sides and had a nice 3-way. Props to HoD for defending successfully. At the time of this post the battle is still ongoing but I have to go to sleep.

Think we are finally losing the HoD garrison, just way outnumbered SBI in lord room JQ up top…

Was an amazing fight!

Well dont forget this is the first month… theres gonna be flaws.

and mistakes… namely free transfers whenever you want lol.

Your not being punished, its a game with a score board lol. How is that being punished? Play and have fun with the pvp, stop being so obessed with a score.

And forcing people to either wait in que or transfer away from friends/guilds is not a solution.

Personnally if I log in and no one is on the other servers I just log back out…. because for alot of us we enjoy pvp…. if no one is playing generally like minded people also dont bother PvD isn’t fun. But its rarely like that anyways theres ALWAYS some kind of force on at night.

blink.4239:

Namu.5712:

blink.4239:

Namu.5712:

blink.4239:

Namu.5712:

When I think of a spy I dont think of someone wasting the other teams supplies but more of relaying info about tactics and movements to their server… thats just me tho.

Spies sabotage too. But WORM’s behavior is consistent with relaying info.

In this case I think those people should be punished because Anet didn’t give transfers every 24 hours for other servers to abuse others by transferring temporarily to the server and making their fight harder then transferring back

I can see those people getting around it by saying “we hadn’t made up our mind about where we were going to transfer.”

How so a GM can just go through logs and be like why were you wasting supply then?

“Wasting supply? I thought that was a good spot for an arrow cart.”

lol well hopefully GM’s can make good judgement calls, because they also play and know people aren’t that stupid.

Like the video of the guy just placing flame rams all over by the garrison supply.

Saerith.2015:

We were dominant if we started off on the same foot, but we always ended up having to claw a foothold out every single day because we don’t have a significant night crew. Guess you’re going to pretend otherwise.

“So don’t act high n mighty n attempt to lecture me on fun when you’re server proved its stance, it’s only fun if you’re winning.”

And you don’t think it was a little bit demoralizing to go from a 30k lead to a 10k deficit in 24 hours just because you have full WvW populations 24/7? Of course it sucks to lose all of your hard work just because the other guy has more players late at night. How is that in the least bit surprising?

It’s like arguing with a Republican or something, geesh.

Oh you shush, your failing hard now. Still crying about last week I see.

You had to claw your way out during the reset this weekend right? Oh wait your server just quits if they aren’t winning nvm.

Just stop lol.

blink.4239:

Namu.5712:

blink.4239:

Namu.5712:

When I think of a spy I dont think of someone wasting the other teams supplies but more of relaying info about tactics and movements to their server… thats just me tho.

Spies sabotage too. But WORM’s behavior is consistent with relaying info.

In this case I think those people should be punished because Anet didn’t give transfers every 24 hours for other servers to abuse others by transferring temporarily to the server and making their fight harder then transferring back

I can see those people getting around it by saying “we hadn’t made up our mind about where we were going to transfer.”

How so a GM can just go through logs and be like why were you wasting supply then?

gorgewall.4901:

Ludacrit.6183:

Let me get this straight, when NA players from a primarily NA populated server get all thier points from an outnumbered NA force playing on a primarily oceanic populated server during the ‘day time’, it’s fair game.

But when the oceanic population get home from work (night time) and the roles are reversed, it becomes an issue?

But when the NA servers by and large go to sleep and the one server with the most Australians sweeps over the entire map and takes keeps and towers without facing any resistance, it becomes an issue.

The part I bolded I find amusing every person that complains about nighttime play always adds that in.

Its simply not true there is resistance.

blink.4239:

Namu.5712:

When I think of a spy I dont think of someone wasting the other teams supplies but more of relaying info about tactics and movements to their server… thats just me tho.

Spies sabotage too. But WORM’s behavior is consistent with relaying info.

In this case I think those people should be punished because Anet didn’t give transfers every 24 hours for other servers to abuse others by transferring temporarily to the server and making their fight harder then transferring back

When I think of a spy I dont think of someone wasting the other teams supplies but more of relaying info about tactics and movements to their server… thats just me tho.

Saerith.2015:

Namu.5712:

All I can say is have a taste of your own medicine. Hope it tastes like crap.

Wow, we must have really scared you last weekend. That’s good to know.

How does that translate to scared lol.

All I can say is have a taste of your own medicine. Hope it tastes like crap.

Verbrechen.3498:

Namu, HoD talks just as much kitten as both SBI, JQ and ET. It’s not solely SBI.

But to my point, SBI did fairly well last week on our own. I was in more than a dozen borderlands where we were sieged by both HoD and ET on seperate keeps. Did this happen in EB over the weekend, perhaps not. But in the borderlands and during the week it did for sure.

Another thing to note about the likely hood of us dropping a bracket is that every Borderland I’ve been in, We’ve been smashed by both JQ and HoD on the same fronts. Spent 5 hours in JQ borderland and We had only a single tower, with JQ smashing the walls from the keep, and HoD smashing the Gate and opposite wall from the Central island. The Map short of that war-zone, was empty of conflict, for 3-4 hours no supply camps or anything in HoD/JQ territory changed hands, short of SBI taking it.

The 2v1 goes both ways. A lot of players are just frustrated, that once again, JQ is more or less only targetting us as they did last match-up, and that, there is really nothing we can do to Dethrone HoD due to population-imbalance.

Am I complaining, no. I’m simply stating the facts. HoD outman’s us quite frequently. It has a very demoralizing effect to see a 30K advantage turn into a 10K Deficiency over night.

You guys are definitely playing much better than the week before, you seem more organized and a bit more tactical, I never argued that HoD players skill was in question, just that a portion of the victory goes to having more manpower, which is true for all forms of warfare.

So long as Server pride exists, demoralized or not, all factions will have Zealots that spew hateful speech against the other. I personally hate HoD, simply because they are the enemy. That being said, I recognize skill and experience when I see it, not all SBI players are slack-jawed imbeciles that QQ. Just like I’m sure not all HoD players are oblivious to the fact they outnumber every server in population outside of primetime and think their win is 100% due to sheer tactical brilliance and skill.

Given all the facts, HoD deserves to win. A part of warfare is having the bigger stick, and the people to use it. Some people just can’t handle that concept – on either HoD, SBI, JQ or ET.

Think your missing my point, im not against 2v1. Its legit.

What im against is people calling another servers player base trash because they fell behind while being 2v1’d and the only reason they do any good is because they night cap empty forts, which is utter bs.

Theres a difference. HoD insults are playful banter at best, the insults coming from other servers are pretty much hate filled and degrading indicating that players are worthless.

Please dont label a server for someone’s actions. HoD players dont condone that kind of underhanded gameplay.

Nor is that called spying thats called exploiting transfers and people doing it should be banned.

No one is whining about last week, the only thing going on is smack talk by SBI, when in fact they didn’t really do anything amazing. No one is discounting them as a server and their ability to fight toe to toe with HoD but when you start throwing around things like oh we dominated HoD in points last week then ya of course you did it was 2v1 but 1v1 you didn’t dominate anything point wise, both servers win and lose battles vs each other.

And the fact that they just aren’t even trying this week for whatever reason is just weak.

I love how Anet dev’s and others are telling you nightcapping will not go anywhere nor be dimished point wise and you guys just keep fighting round and round.

Heres the facts, servers are rarely dead at night, as soon as you start attacking a point at night those indicators pop up on the map and if no one was there theres gonna be a zerg there soon to defend.

Some of you are very jaded.

SirWilliam.6937:

HOD is average at best with a great nightcapping population. The game system is what it is. They won’t win with even numbers but they won’t lose when everyone else is at work.

Talk about delusions of grandeur THE ONLY TIME HoD has not been in the lead was last weekend, and that was because as everyone here knows SBI/ET were focusing HoD rather then each other all weekend. Was a good fight for sure enjoyed it but if SBI for one second thinks they accomplished that alone they are smokin something.

SBI has proved without another server hitting us at the same time they are weak. They did not gain their lead last weekend because of their servers efforts alone they had ET riding on their coattails hitting us at the same time…..

Other then that not once has HoD lost during primetime. Cry about nighcapping all you want, your just being a sore loser that quits unlike a real pvp server. Weak.

Last weekend was perfectly fine was good pvp and good fun. What we have here is a server that gets mad if they lose and they dont understand that its a 24/7 warzone your not gonna win if your main force is a bunch of weekend warriors. If you play to have fun there is no reason to stop showing up for wvwvw pvp. If you play to win and play casually…. well sorry your not going to win.

Ya, the smack talk about us getting owned by SBI last weekend… We all know what happened, no need to say anything more about it.

Makes me wish my server was called ebay lol thats win.

This is a public service now it seems … lol

Yup good fight going on

Or they could just give the server with the unmanned buff stronger attributes to not only the players in the field but their keeps and gaurds to make it easy for them to fight while outnumbered.

Becuase not every server is outmanned every night.

SKYeXile.2716:

People here are misinformed, HOD ALWAYS loses in NA primetime.

SBI> HoD if I remember their bragging correctly during primetime… photoshopped screens for sure.

Kazim.2043:

BlueOrange.5740:

If you want a fair fight in PVP, go to PVP, not WvW.

It’s like saying if you want a to play a fair game don’t play football but play basketball.

WvW and sPvP are completely different. It should not be “fairness” that makes you play one of that.

Actually thats not the same.

Anet has stated time and time again GW2 is a persistant world always changing and that wvwvw would be the same way. Its not meant to be balanced or fair… otherwise they wouldn’t allow 3 servers to fight and double team.

If you want fair balanced pvp spvp is where you should be going. Otherwise just enjoy the game for what it is in WvWvW and thats a warzone. Yes its a in game war, and its fun no matter when you play, but no where does it state that its supposed to be fair.

im lazy lol

But here

HoD: 250
SBI: 225
JQ: 205

Kazim.2043:

Namu.5712:

I just dont view nightcapping the same I guess. I also see it as unfair to night players if you change it, so that its not the same as other times of the day.

To be honest my concerns are not about fairness or ranking of my server. My server might never be top tier and I’m OK with that.

What scares me that soon a fair percentage of my guild’s WvW player base will realize their efforts don’t have significant effect on score and this will demotivate them. I’ll have harder time to organize them, to rally them for better tactics or group organizations/ compositions, overall they won’t have the motivation to get better. Eventually some will leave the game some will turn to tPvP.

I really don’t want that happen. The problem is in current scoring system the strongest (and perhaps only) valid tactic to win is alarm-clocking. And it leaves not much room for other improvements a guild can achieve to have an effect on score.

Which is valid because ALOT of people just want to win, and anything they view as lessening that or taking away their hard work, of course has a negative effect of wanting to continue to do something for nothing. Risk vs reward. I will say this, the night HoD took a 3rd place to first over night, ET/SBI were not on later that night at all compared to other nights. They just didn’t que up at all, neither did most of HoD what was the point. The next night though they were out in force and there was pvp all night until early morning and into the next day. So the people are there.

Will it kill wvwvw who knows….. It might it might not, things might balance out, things might not…. the 24/7 servers may all end up in the same bracket thus the problem would be solved pretty much. while the servers without a 24/7 presence could face off during the day and die down at night…. but all it takes is a couple people to cap, which still poses a threat…

Don’t know.

I play for the pvp, if people want to cap empty keeps and camps well… power to them I guess.