Population is fine.
There are at least 4-5 servers that are almost full 24/7. And the rest are at the HIGH status.
LA is always overflow for at least 5-10 minutes each time I login.
There are still people over at AC, COF etc etc.
The game is not dying its still going strong.
What people need to realize however is that its been out for 3 months already. Which means most players are in high level areas and not spread across the maps…. why would they be after all? I mean there is nothing to do on old maps. This was true even before Fractals of the Mists came to be. The only places that had people were dragon events, AC, COF, and other dungeons like that, ORR for events, and of course Lions Arch has always been packed. Every now and then you might run into new players out leveling or someones alt…. or someone getting 100% map completion, or farming mats…. but other then that, not sure why people expect maps to be full…..
Its 10am mountain time here this Monday morning…. 7 servers are Full…. not sure how that translates to a population drop.
Exactly, my level 80 experience has been Orr and WvW. I haven’t gone anywhere else, as there was no real reason to.
Oh right totally forgot about Wv3.
Many people don’t even level out in the world they just do WvW nonstop every time they login from level 2 to 80… never leaving lions arch and the WvW area… and as you say…. there is a very large amount of people that everyone doesn’t see in those WvW maps.
Population is fine.
There are at least 4-5 servers that are almost full 24/7. And the rest are at the HIGH status.
LA is always overflow for at least 5-10 minutes each time I login.
There are still people over at AC, COF etc etc.
The game is not dying its still going strong.
What people need to realize however is that its been out for 3 months already. Which means most players are in high level areas and not spread across the maps…. why would they be after all? I mean there is nothing to do on old maps. This was true even before Fractals of the Mists came to be. The only places that had people were dragon events, AC, COF, and other dungeons like that, ORR for events, and of course Lions Arch has always been packed. Every now and then you might run into new players out leveling or someones alt…. or someone getting 100% map completion, or farming mats…. but other then that, not sure why people expect maps to be full…..
Its 10am mountain time here this Monday morning…. 7 servers are Full…. not sure how that translates to a population drop.
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through forced pve gear grinds….lol.
Yes, through forced pve gear grinds. They wanted raids, more character progression and everything else that comes with vertical progression.
Some people wanted that.
Many people did not want that at all.
But you don’t know. For all you know half the population wanted that and the other half didn’t.
The half that didn’t just happen to be very vocal about it. Anet didn’t base this change on forum posting I garantee you that.
This is ridiculous I have been reading reports, and Myself, I have experienced this of new players trying to get into fractals and getting turned down because nobody wants to start at the beginning!?
I Tried for my only 2 hours to play this weekend to get into fractals groups, and I was turned down multiple times because I am still level 1, this is absolutely infuriating. What the hell??
I don’t have as much time to play as others, but when I am able to play, WHY the HELL am I spending that time being rejected from dungeon groups because I haven’t been able to rotate my life around this game!?
Anet, are you just going to let your players be alienated by elitists? This system you set up does nothing but allow and encourage this type of behavior. kitten tell me right now if you won’t change anything or care about the players that are stuck trying to get into lvl 1 groups, because that way I can at least save my time and money and move onto something else.
Absolutely blown away.
Im sorry since when is it considered being an elitist by not wanting to start over again for some random person in a game?
You just complained you wasted 2 hours trying to get in…. yet they are the bad guys because you expect them to waste 2 hours running someone new? lol wow.
Heres an idea start a level 1 group there are plenty out there in your boat. Stop relying on others then being mad about it…. so ignorant.
Gonna play a white knight’s role this time. You don’t have to do those dungeons. You have plenty of other content to do. They might be a little deserted but you can always bring your friends/guildies! That’s the beauty of the game without a necessary grind and whole game being the endgame.
lol. no, unless you want to get stomped in wvwvw, this is mandatory. sorry.
Stomped? Ascended gear is slightly more powerful, won’t make you pew pew others in zvz (zerg vs zerg).
lol +20% better is hardly what I’d consider slightly more powerful, and this is just the beginning of the treadmill. some of us don’t run with zergs either.
I like how that percent keeps changing… first it was 8% better then in another thread it was 40% better now according to you its 20% better lol.
You don’t have a clue to be perfectly honest…. no one does theres so much crap flying around right now facts are merely opinions.
To OP:
Start your own group. Theres plenty of people.
If you can’t start your own group…. well what do you expect.
Its the same thing with other dungeons in this game LF2M Arah. Applys for group Poster whispers have you run it before?
Uh no first time.
Sorry I don’t want to take someone new through.
But people want to believe the new content is the ultimate evil and these things weren’t already present in game. Blame the players.
Chances are that they will be progressive just like they are now and you wont need the gear until you get to a certain level of progression in the new dungeon…… just pointing out the obvious.
I’m sorry I might be missing something, but how is that obvious?
Chances are once people in GW2 have accepted the treadmill they’ll go and implement it so that you can’t even go near the new dungeon if you are not in full certain set.
uhhh because the new dungeon is progressive? you don’t even need the new gear until like level 11 lol.
So why would you think that any new additions wouldn’t follow this trend? Or did you forget they are trying to cater to both, let casuals run the new dungeons with no requirement, while progressive type players that reach a certain progression level will be required to have the gear to move deeper in….
It’s only logical that it follows the same trend that we saw with the introduction of progression dungeons. Again why do you think they would deviate and lock casual players out of pve content and make a gear requirement when the current content introducing the gear makes sure that there is no requirement? What is the basis of your doubt?
Except that ANET said that future content will require Ascended gear and they are going to expand this system. So if you want to experience that new content, you better have agony resist/offense. Chances are, all new dungeons will be Agony based.
Chances are that they will be progressive just like they are now and you wont need the gear until you get to a certain level of progression in the new dungeon…… just pointing out the obvious.
Honestly, in the end NCSoft is the one running the show.
I wouldn’t so much as blame Anet because there was probably someone in NCSoft HQ saying “hey your losing players, we tried it your way. Now you do it our way.” And bam you have progression.
Don’t think many people realize what the situation might actually be but its much easier to just sit and rage in the forums all day about how you were lied to or cheated rather then back up and accept the situation and everything that might be involved.
I warned many people from Aion that GW2 would fall under the horrible control of NCSoft and that Anet is NOT the same as they were when they made GW1 and controlled its fate themselves. This is what happens when you sell out to huge company’s like ncsoft.
Its ironic because, It was the WvW portion of the game that was promised to make a difference in MMORPG, more then just side VS side and guild VS guild…… World VS World. What a joke this game is turning into.
They always said WvW wasn’t meant to be balanced.
The way they view it is its a war. Not every player is an equal.
If you want competitive play thats what spvp is for.
I don’t why people think Wv3 is meant to be an equal fight. If it was level 2 players would get all traits and exotics just like in spvp. If it was meant to be equal a server with 10 people would get zerged by a server with 50.
Wv3 was never meant to be a competitive venue. So why do you think it’s supposed to be even gear wise?
You guys need to suck it up and realize what the game is and what it isn’t.
All my characters are currently level 80, but whenever I see someone asking for “level 80s only” (or “need a tank” / “need a healer”), I add that person to my block list.
Saves me the (obvious) pain of getting grouped with someone that clueless later by accident.
Asking for “level 80s only” is a bit like saying “hello, I just arrived from WoW and I have no idea how this game works”.
Not really depending on the fractal level a none 80 could really hurt the group. Especially in a pug….
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Getting to 80 was fun and a blast – guess what no grind.
Getting my exotics I bought with gold that I did playing the game and WvW.
Guess what No Grind and it was fun.Getting Ascend gear – Guess what – Grind and no fun.
Try again Please……
PS you did it wrong
Other users experience may vary but no grind for me
Hmm i think getting ascended gear is fun and no grind.
Not sure what your so angry about though. If your that mad don’t grind it? you don’t pay a sub fee, they aren’t forcing you to play. If you honestly don’t like it don’t do it, I don’t see the problem.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Such depth of understanding, I’m in awe of the intelligence. It’s called a plateau, you don’t walk right up to the mountain and suddenly find yourself at the top, you climb it. But once you get there you find that it’s a wide open space with many things to do that don’t involve the pointless exertion of endless climbing for a peak that keeps moving up the further you go.
Hey I was just pointing out that there was grind there in every part of the game even at endgame there are different grinds.
New gear is just another form of the grind.
And you don’t know its endless…. I don’t see why people keep blowing things out of the water. technically they are saying ascended is the last tier, but you will need to basically get infusion’s in the future.
So I fail to see how them adding one tier of gear in end game is a endless grind? Or can you read the future and your magic ball said there is going to be a new tier of gear every content update? Oh right you don’t know.
Changing fundamental game design after advertising is Bad faith and False advertising.
Especially because they tried to stealth it into the patch. Dev let it slip that it was indeed a treadmill.
However this game was marketed at a specific group not all gamers – see there is where you have to get over yourself. If you dont do the research before you buy the product it is you who is responsible.I knew exactly what I bought, I had no complaints. I have no complaints over the new changes either. So what do I have to get over?
I understand they are trying to make more then one group of players happy. You dont understand that and think its a crime against you. Its not. And its that simple.
And they won’t change it. SO basically if you don’t like it guess what, you don’t have to play. Because not everything they do is going to make every one happy. And thats the way of the world.
They had to do something the current model wasn’t working they were losing people. So they tried something bold to see if it will save it.
Maybe it will save it maybe it will crash and burn horribly. Either way they are committed to the change and there is no going back now. Thats what you need to come to terms with and accept. If you cant well complaining and going on in the forums isn’t going to change it.
Losing people?
Their stocks reflect a drop WHEN they announced ascended gear, and another drop when it was released.Losing people?
Well mabe they should have done what anyone with an IQ higher then a monkey would have done and FIX BUGS in the game before you release CONTENT, ANY CONTENT. I was always disgusted when I would find these special events like holloween when you have classes that can barely play because 50% of their talents are bugged, or they keep nerfing the wrong abilities, or issues like culling exist. What the hell are they thinking? They are acting like a high school dropout that was randomly given a job to develop or be in charge of development at a game company. ZERO EXPERIENCE. Fixing bugs is all the people wanted, fixing bugs was the main issue why anyone was leaving (excluding the people that would have left no matter what the did).When you design a car, put it into production then sell it;
Then people who buy the car find out the factory radiator is bad, so is the pistons, and the power steering. A-net as said car company is basically saying " too bad, but Hey here is some free plastic rims" then they just start production on a new car.What do the consumers usually do? Turn the other cheek?
Their stocks show a steady decline actually since the first month of GW2 going live. It was not a sudden drop it was steadily declining each and every month.
If your going to make an argument based on stocks look at all data involved not just take the bit out that you think proves anything lol.
I think everyone got their money’s worth out of the game…. what else can you get entertainment wise for 60 bucks that keeps you occupied for 3 months…. I cant really think of anything.
Changing fundamental game design after advertising is Bad faith and False advertising.
Especially because they tried to stealth it into the patch. Dev let it slip that it was indeed a treadmill.
However this game was marketed at a specific group not all gamers – see there is where you have to get over yourself. If you dont do the research before you buy the product it is you who is responsible.
I knew exactly what I bought, I had no complaints. I have no complaints over the new changes either. So what do I have to get over?
I understand they are trying to make more then one group of players happy. You dont understand that and think its a crime against you. Its not. And its that simple.
And they won’t change it. SO basically if you don’t like it guess what, you don’t have to play. Because not everything they do is going to make every one happy. And thats the way of the world.
They had to do something the current model wasn’t working they were losing people. So they tried something bold to see if it will save it.
Maybe it will save it maybe it will crash and burn horribly. Either way they are committed to the change and there is no going back now. Thats what you need to come to terms with and accept. If you cant well complaining and going on in the forums isn’t going to change it.
It isn’t ‘easy’ to obtain at all. It involves a grind, be it a direct or indirect one. Some people will be lucky enough to be able to throw gold at anything they need, which isn’t ideal for those of us who don’t devote our time to grinding money.
Time to wake up buddy.
Getting to 80 was a grind.
Getting your exotics guess what…. oh thats right it was a grind.
I like how people seem to think that with ascended gear theres now a grind…. it was there all along. What do some of you smoke?
Oh and you don’t pay for a service, you bought a product. A service is something on going that you pay for on a consitant basis (ie monthly sub fee).
You bought the game one time fee. You played it for 3 months, defiantly got your 60 dollars worth. If you don’t like the changes they make in the future they are not entitled to refund you or anything. If this had happened a year from now it would be the same thing. You think you are entitled to something? hell no your not.
False advertising would have been them saying the game was one thing then on release day you realize its nothing like they said it was that would be a legit violation. But calling foul as they add things months after launch because they have to try to meet the needs of ALL their players is just plain foolish and selfish. You enjoyed the game for the past 3 months and they have worked hard on maintaining servers, patches etc etc, you don’t think they deserve to be paid for that work while you were enjoying the game up until the patch? Get over yourself.
No and No. If you compromise, you are still letting them get away with false advertising (a legal term no doubt hint hint). If you let them get away with false advertising, next thing you know you will be logging into Pandas, arenas for PVE players where you can only get the best PVP gear, etc
Wasn’t false advertising. They said they wouldn’t create a gear treadmill adding a in between gear does not constitute a gear tread mill.
Now if in 3 months they add another tier then you can be mad. But till then they haven’t done anything wrong at all.
Plain and simple, its not the game its the people. If they dont want to bring a certain class tough cookies for you.
If they don’t want to bring a person thats not level 80 well tough luck again, better spend the couple days it takes to get to 80…
If they are running Level 20 fractals and those fractals pretty much require agony stats…. and you don’t have them well guess what they aren’t going to take dead weight that will just keep dieing and holding the group up.
Even if there was no new gear things like this would still happen… and was happening anyways since launch.
Agreed. Enjoying it throughly with friends. lvl 6 so far.
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So that leaves us pve for some kind of leeway for progression of some sort. If you don’t like it well sorry, don’t know what to tell you. But you don’t know where its going to go nor do I know where its going to go. But AN has realized people aren’t playing much after hitting 80, because there is nothing to do, well grind for your legendary, but outside that. Not much.
i don’t know if you read through all of my post, but the last 2 paragraphs were about how i am OK with the new patch and I am trying to be optimistic, and more than willing to try it out.
as for WvW you are right there isn’t much incentive to play it right now, it does need more content. So why didn’t they add more to that instead? or to the rest of the games lacking areas? (as you said with balancing issue sPvP isn’t where it should be, though i believe class balance is a big part of hte update)
rankings and titles are an awesome idea, i would love to see commanders that actually have commander status from playing WvW rather than farming 100g.
I think we partially agree on things and compromises can be made. My original point was to support the OP in that people who don’t have time to play regularly to get new content shouldn’t be hindered by it.
I would have loved rankings and things that make individual play a goal towards something.
But on the same hand I am confused as to why they didn’t do that already. I don’t want this to become like “WoW” I dont think it will by any means come close to that level of progression and gear grind. But if it heads down that road well ill still play until I feel like it’s not worth playing.
We have all been there with the elitist stuff, and this game is not showing that…..yes people are being picky but they aren’t being downright mean and disrespectful if you are not on their level, thats what happens in WoW. And its disgusting, but its not the game that breeds this behavior. Its people in general, in any game be it a mmo or fps. People are downright mean and nasty and want to stand above others.
From my point of view about being hindered. If your not running it for the new gear there really is no reason to be running it except for money? maybe a new skin or something thats in there…. they made it as such so that players who don’t care can still run it but not run it repeatedly.
Heres a good example of how things could have gone. Say there was no stat increase just cosmetic… but say they added a time trial type game play that is ranked by server and by region.
Instead of people saying 80 and exotics they would be saying 80 full exotics, xxxx professions need not apply high dps only. There is no stats driving that behavior it is the need to be the best even when progression gear isn’t there.
If you want the best times to beat everyone you need the best dps and some professions are in poor shape. Thus the same gating and not including people would still happen regardless.
Yes, we super hardcore players know that the only mode of player progression is to grind an instance repeatedly for a chance to gain a statistical advantage over noob casuals. They and those PvP baddies deserve to get discriminated in PvE slaughtered in WvW.
Who cares about useless and trivial things like developing play skills and mastering content in an equal environment where your play skills determine the outcome?
Thats what Spvp is for.
Sorry to say.
This game has been in a steady decline since the first month after launch. This patch will not kill the game.
infact today has been the busiest ive seen the game since launch. If people really were so against the patch they wouldn’t have even bothered to login. Nor would they be raving about fractals…. it really was a great idea, and they gave something to work towards… which to be frank the game needed, its the reason why people were leaving in the first place ZERO PLAYER PROGRESSION.
So I guess what I am saying is stop complaining, if you don’t like it you don’t have to play. If you just can’t bring yourself to stop playing well then it must not be all that bad.
If the game dies well guess it was a bad choice. Stop trying to read the future.
Can’t wait till everyone starts requiring ascended with agony resist! Hurray! Thank you Arenanet!
Well if a group is level 20 clearly you will need the new gear to run with them or you will die from the damage alone….. Why on earth would they invite someone that cant even live through a debuff?
You guys hating on things really aren’t thinking about anything really but what you can complain about and forsake.
In LA today, I saw messages like “lf2m FoTM, full exotic or better”, and “lf1m FM, fractral level 3 min”.
So it does seem like some people are already being selective. =/
People have always been selective in this game…. in any game.
Its their play time and their group.
LFM AC, no rangers or necro = being selective.
LFM xxxx path xxxx exp = being selective
LFM Fractals Level 3+ 80 only = being selective
Seeing a trend here? its always been like this.
I have 2 80 s. One fully geared exotic. I have completed 4 dungeons total..lol and they were all story lines dungeons. It doesn’t bother me one bit people want level 80s in full exotics. What’s the big deal with them being particular about who they group with? Every person playing values their time.
Even more so for the people who don’t play for 12 hours a day, aka casuals, who don’t have the luxury of being able to minmax at will and that is the exact kind of person that gets screwed when a system like this becomes the norm. Eventually it gets so bad that new people don’t feel welcome enough to stick around, the community stagnates and then the game dies.
You don’t need to play 12 hours a day to be 80 and fully geared….
Infact look at it this way. Say my group is fully geared, I have 2 hours to play…. do I A. pick up some random pug player that isn’t even 80? Or B. Pick someone that has actually hit 80 and has gotten end game gear?
Hmmm well if I am trying to maximize my play time and enjoyment with fellow players I wont be picking you non 80 because its likely things won’t go smoothly and my 2 hours of play time just turned into UGHHHHH /log off.
And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Want to play in groups that want 80’s only? level up and get your gear… not like its time consuming nor hard…. if you don’t want to fine, start your own group with your own rules. Lvl 1 fractals non 80’s only! Think anyone is going to come to the forums and complain people are making non 80 groups? Hell no.
1: LFM Fractals, people under 80 need not apply
2: Why can’t I play if I’m not level 80?
1: Only serious players please.
3: You’re not a serious player if you’re not lvl 80?
4: Come on, how serious can you be if you’re still not 80?
5: It’s a lvl 80 dungeon
2: I thought the whole upleveling thing was so everyone could enjoy the game?
1: LF1M Fractals, lvl 80s only
It is a 80’s only dungeon actually… after this weekend you can’t enter unless your 80.
Second. Its their group, they can take who they want to take.
Third if your not 80 you really are the weak link in the group because you are missing stats, regardless of if you were scaled up. Thats how it was built….. and being how you can’t drop someone if they are no good they are committing to each person being able to pull their own weight. And not wasting everyone else’s time.
I think its awfully selfish to think you are entitled. If you started a group and didn’t want a ranger because pets are a pain and they do bad dps….. well how is that any different then them not wanting non 80’s.
This has been a trend since GW2 went live infact…. LFM xxxx exp mode. No xxxxxx class.
hey there forumers,
i have notices that the users are being more picky by the day when it comes to making groups or parties. especially for dungeons. i have been denied for it many times cause i am not level 80 (while the dungeon is for 35 and up). this is making me quite angry. i shoudnt have a hard time getting a party together or joining one, since i already have the required level.but it’s getting worse; since the new ‘lost shores’ dungeon is released, all i see is people asking for level 80 with exotic armor. this makes me feel left out. i might not have the best of the best, but that doesn’t mean i’m worthless. thanks to this i will barely be able to do any dungeon untill i reached the end-game. they seem to forget that everyone is scaled up(or)down to thesame level
i am curious what your oppinion is on this. do you find it a good thing, a bad thing. are you overlooking users with lowers levels?
Considering that most of the people probably asking are like scaled to 5 or higher already. In which case the level 80 exotics are desirable…. especially in a pug in these dungeons… because they are not simple tank and spanks many of them require communication and people not dieing to stupid things, or screwing up repeatedly.
The same goes for gear as you progress in scale it does get harder… things hit much harder.
A level 80 fully geared can take the hits much better then a 35 scaled up, not only that you are missing vital traits and pretty much 50 levels worth of extra stats just through traits alone, then add on top of that skill points that you also dont have.
It’s perfectly logical for them to be picky these dungeons take a fair bit of time and you don’t want one person to ruin it for you based on something like just not being able to survive…. no matter how skilled you are. Because you cant be replaced if you your holding the group back…. they have to start again with a new person, and so do you hence your time and theirs was wasted.
And besides that… after this weekend you won’t even be able to enter unless your 80. So really who cares? go in and do your first tier maybe second if you can get a group that will take such a low level. But you can’t blame them for not taking you or being picky. its their group they can choose who they want to take with them, just like you chose players to play on your team in sports in real life. I am not sure where this self entitlement comes from now days that others HAVE to play with you or they are bad people… but at 35 regardless of being scaled up you are severely lacking in both traits, skill points, and gear in general. Its why low levels get one shot in WvW for 25k crits. Same thing applys here.
Guys, it is rare for a representative of the company to give us any kind of information about what may be coming up as far as changes, tweaks , buffs and nerfs. This is why. People set expectations way to high and begin frothing at the mouth (or I guess the fingers) when what comes to pass falls shy of those expectations.
After the full blown meltdown some people seem to have had, why would they ever want to slip us tidbits of info again? You were given some vague information and some hints of things to come and expanded on it significantly. This is why it is rare to see communication from community reps that give you any direct information. We have behaved ridiculously here. I will honestly be surprise if anyone tries to slip us anything other than ‘good things are coming EVENTUALLY’ based on the over the top reaction already exhibited here.
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He didn’t slip any tid bits of info. He basically said in response of weeks and thousands of posts we have a big update for you guys coming.
Its only logic that you think oh really finally our input has been heard and they are addressing issues with our class…..
Instead we get a whole bunch of pretty much useless underwater skill changes. And NONE of the changes we really needed….. oh right spirits have more hp now and can move if you trait into a worthless tree 30 points…. news flash they still get one shot lol…
They didn’t address any real issues that make this class bad.
-pets cant move and attack
-arrows can be dodged
- weapon damage in general is just horrible for ranged
What happened to the bit about changing the pacing and feel of some weapons? Oh right they made changes to underwater weapon skills….. /facepalm
the only people not excited are really the ones in the forums complaining because everyone I talk to in game is thinking it was a great addition and cant wait to work towards them. Forum folk are the vocal minority in GW2.
Really going to have to wait and see how this pans out….. or be a drama queen like many others around here and claim you quitting or have already quit before the patch is even here with no further info about whats really going to happen. Or you could sit there and cry about how you were promised verbatim that this would never happen and how your going to go to court for a refund for 60 bucks……
Or you could just do what most are gonna do which is see what the plan is and continue to have fun. I am willing to be most that are raging and saying they are quitting really aren’t. They just don’t know how to deal with the unknown and instead of calmly accepting the fact that without further information they have no way to make a informed opinion or choice about the game they lash out like they are 12 all over again not getting their way. Its like when a kid wants a toy but thinks mom isn’t going to give it to him so he threatens to run away from home only to realize she already bought it and it was waiting at home the whole time.
ya i dont really care much about when the patch comes I just want to see whats in it…. >.< gimmie patch notes
You people are sad. It says the 16th(!) everywhere except for the friend trial.
Nowhere has it said 15th. 15th is a thursday, 16th is a friday, 16th makes sense, 15th doesnt. Lost shores goes live at 2100 CET tomorrow on the 16th, not the 15th. Patch will be earlyish tomorrow morning sometime CET.
Learn to look on the forums.
Its talking about an event being the 16th we are talking about a patch. There is a difference. No where does it say it will be patched the 16th but it does say the event starts the 16th….. perhaps you should heed your own advice?
This happened alot in aion….. but at least they had an excuse the dev’s were in korea and NA couldn’t really say anything without approval… whats AN’s excuse?
Patch will come when it comes though.
I am guessing in an hour from now.
I don’t think anyone is really freaking out, more or less wondering why AN is always so silent….. or rather posting info everywhere else and not in their own forums…. lol
They never said we would get a patch today. Different press sites said so and one locked threat implied it would be at noon PST (it was a question answered by a member then closed by a moderator thanking him for answering), but every other threads asking for a specific time have been answered by “you will know in due time”.
It’s fair to assume we won’t get any update until midnight PST. :|
If you look on the front page here at a locked thread there are several that pretty much confirm its today, and on twitter as well m8. it got pushed back a few hours. Should be here in about an hour…. 2pm PST now.
Guild Wars 2 ?@GuildWars2
Jonathan Sharp is going to be showing off a new PvP map live at 2:00 PM PST on http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2 : http://ow.ly/fkgxU ~RB2 #GW2
So maybe another hour?
errr it starts tommorow?
The event does, but the patch comes today.
I fully expect to see in the patch notes: “Ranger changes will not be in this patch due to….insert excuse here”
Warrior: rifle range increased 200, bleed duration increased 5% damage increase for ranged weapons.
they don’t normally shut servers down for maintance.
You will get a message in game saying theres a new update and count down and kick you out.
You log back in and it will download the patch and launch the game.
should be here in 30 minutes.
I can tell you now they’re not going to scrap Ascension gear and infusions. It won’t be added in sPvP and tPvP, but it’s coming.
So you guys have 2 choices.
a> grin and bear it, and hope they keep their word about no gear treadmill
or
b> leave and if you’re from europe try to get a refund after 600+ hours(which I think is stupid that you can do that).
There are a third option, and it’s the one we prefer.
Let them know through the official forums in a clear, respectful manor why we disagree with the design choice in the time leading up to and immediately after the implementation.
I’m not advocating something ridiculous like trying to get a refund on a product someone has already spent many presumably enjoyable hours on.
But letting a company know why you are dissatisfied with their product has a lot of value to the company.
I don’t think that’s ridiculous. If it turns out the product I bought is not the one that was advertised to me, I have every right to stop using that product and get my money back.
So by adding a new tier of equipment it’s not what they advertized and you should get a full refund after you’ve cost them money by hosting the servers for you to play on for 600 hours? Nice logic.
For me that extra tier means I can’t enjoy the game anymore. I bought the game based on the fact they advertised that there wasn’t nor the would have been vertical gear progression in the game. I can tell you for sure I wouldn’t have bought it otherwise.
If they break their part of the sale contract, the fundamental characteristics of the good or service, I can break mine, which is the compensation.
That said, if I wanted my money I wouldn’t have bought the game in the first place. So I still hope they retract and I can get the game I was promised.
I am sorry but when you buy a console game or rpg/single player or even multiplayer game you cant get a refund after 3 months of playing because you decided the update they made wasn’t in line with what they said a year or two ago.
You purchased a product you did not however purchase a service.
And trying to prove you were lied to based on your take on words in an announcement based on a patch that isn’t even technically released yet is laughable.
Good luck with that in court eyeroll
You guys don’t even know how the design is going to work nor do you know if there will be any changes to anything.
All your doing is feeding off each other like gossip girls and exaggerating as the posting continues. Honestly this is not 175 pages of people disagreeing with AN.
This is 175 pages of about 50 of the same people going on and on about the same thing page after page after page. Your feeding each other…. oh yup we can get refunds we were lied to!!! Yup if they don’t do what we want we will!!
They made promises!!! they lied!!!
No they said they wouldn’t have a game that plays the gear game. Them adding a single tier of gear does not consitute them breaking any promises or lieing to you, nor does it lay out the foundation for a “gear treadmill”.
This thread is nothing but fear mongering at this point.
Was in game for a few hours today, we were talking about the new patch… half the players didn’t even know it was coming… the other half said i know SO excited! Not one person was like omg its gonna be a gear treadmill im quitting…. NOT ONE.
So you know what forum goers…. WE ARE ALL THE MINORITY. Clearly AN did not base their choice on the crap that happens in these forums. You guys are so blind right now that all you can think about is a made up fiction in your heads and how you can twist it into oh yup lied to, bait and switched, game ruined, and whatever other crap is going through your heads. /mind blown.
Debs makes a good point. I found it very disappointing when I read the press release and realized that ANet doesn’t consider WvW to be PvP.
And maybe Namu is right, maybe you can complete Fractals without Ascended gear and maybe their are people in the world who aren’t bothered at all by the fact that other players have 8% higher stats then they do as long as they can limp along and still complete the content. I however am very bothered. I don’t want to be the under performing guy nor do I want to have that guy in my party
Thats why the content is progressive. You don’t need the gear unless you are repeating the content on purpose for the purpose of progressive play. Like it literally is not needed if your just running through the content. If you keep repeating it with your group it progressively gets harder via the dot. But as a casual just running through to experience the content you will not be any more or less kittened. Because the dot is not doing the same amount of damage to you as say a group that has ran the instance 20 times for the sake of progression and getting that new gear. Which shouldn’t have an effect on WvW. But I am guessing it will.
And people will either quit over it or suck it up and play anyways. I think more will suck it up over quitting. Because at its core the game is fun. But again just gonna have to wait and see how they deal with it.
Another reason I say the gear is not needed is because you can run it at any level with a group… which stands to reason that the content the first time through is not built around ascended gear. But rather built around exotic gear. And if you choose to repeat it to make the dot do more damage thats where the gear comes in….. but your choosing to grind, not being forced to nor being required to….. unless of course it affects WvW, which as of right now it does unless they change it.
Agreed, 100% that WvWvW needs to be free of the need to grind for gear. ANet said pvp would be unaffected, so they need to extend that beyond sPVP to WvWvW.
Slic… I don’t know how they could come to the conclusion that the majority want a gear treadmill. They never polled in-game, and if they took that from the forums, the 9k+ post thread at the top of the forums now should tell them something because the majority there do not want anything to do with grind.
Well alot of those complaints are largely people that don’t even know how the new gear works. Only a few of them actually menchon the real issue and that is WvW becoming the gear grind not the pve side of things.
You dont have to grind for pve gear though…. when the new content comes today you can jump right in with your current exotics and complete the content.
They however made it so if you play the content repeatedly the agony mechanic makes you take more dot damage.
So not really seeing why you would have to grind if you are merely doing the content to experience the new update. You would do it, say thats cool was fun. Then go back to WvW right? No gear grind involved…. the gear grind is 100% optional…. assuming they actually listen and normalize WvW so that exotic is the best you can bring into WvW.
You’d THINK they’d do that. But they won’t. I spoke to a couple anet reps idling in LA. They seem to be obsessed with the notion that according to their in-house data, the ‘majority’ want this sort of ‘gear progression’. If this is true, then the content locusts/bandwagoners have won and this game becomes yet another generic MMO.
eh really… I honestly dont care about pve, if they made it progressive cool…. but leave the Wv3 pvp alone…
I am for this kind of down-scaling, but it’d be a nightmare to code. I’d say, the more elegant way to implement it is not allow anything above exotic to be/stay equipped in WvW. And have your equipped gear in WvW differ from the PvE zones/instances, much like heart of the mists swaps to sPvP gear upon entry.
The drawback being those show-offs that want to show off legendary skins in WvW will also have to transmute their legendary to an exotic and lose it for PvE purposes. But I would take that drawback over a treadmill/mudflation-fest any day.
Not allowing higher-than-exotic stats in WvW would go a long way to solving the issue, without making those darn content locusts QQ again…
And to be frank, I’d rather they just didn’t have the stupid stat difference between exo/asc/legendary in the 1st place. They promised us they wouldn’t, and now they break that promise. Too bad it wasn’t a legal agreement, then we could actually sue them and win. :\
Well im not really sure how hard it would be, I mean they already have code to scale gear and players up in WvW I can’t imagine it being that hard to code it the opposite way… then again I am not a game programmer.
But gear grinding for pvp is the worst…… I have one word that haunts me to this day regarding gear grinds and pvp…. AION.
But on the flipside they didn’t really promise they wouldn’t add different stated gear, they promised they would not create a traditional gear treadmill. Which will be true if they implement the WvW change. If they however do not scale stats down for WvW then they will be creating a gear treadmill not for pve but for pvp in order to stay on top you will have to get legendary gear basically. So I dont know if it was poor planning on that side of things or that they just dont care about WvW much.
Either way its not a gear grind pve wise.
They are in a bad spot because they have 2 distinct player groups. People that don’t like progression via gear, and those that have to have some kind of progression. They did well in this update pve wise but totally neglected the WvW population and have created a gear grind for those players.
But if they don’t do something about WvW that will get out of control in the coming months as they make more gear available… basically to the point where it will be legendary gear or gtfo. And WvW will turn into a sort of gated content type deal/ elitism pvp.
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You dont have to grind for pve gear though…. when the new content comes today you can jump right in with your current exotics and complete the content.
They however made it so if you play the content repeatedly the agony mechanic makes you take more dot damage.
So not really seeing why you would have to grind if you are merely doing the content to experience the new update. You would do it, say thats cool was fun. Then go back to WvW right? No gear grind involved…. the gear grind is 100% optional…. assuming they actually listen and normalize WvW so that exotic is the best you can bring into WvW.
Normalizing stats in WvW would be better then not doing it, but would not solve the problem by any means.
How so?
The gear isn’t required to do the new content, thus not a gear treadmill.
The gear gets scaled down in WvW, thus not a gear treadmill as exotic is the best in WvW.
Be a bit more specific on why it doesn’t solve the problem.