Guild Wars 2

Ropechef.6192:

I can Run with you Nevets.

NA here, I just tend to only be available late nights. ( as I work Swings, )

But if you would like put me on the list and If you need a runner and I am around I will certainly make an effort.

Running a Sixty Six ’Nade, Bomb with Scholar.

Added!

Stalker strelok.9304:

Was a nice CoE Run today Tomorrow we are going faster (EU)

Can’t wait to see

Any other NA engis wanna go?

Xyonon.3987:

btw I’m EU too, not NA – and my name is not “Greez Ziggy” XD It’s Ziggs Ironeye :P (Xyonon.3987)

Sorry! Fixed

Sins.4782:

NA here; I’ll run with you, but I have scholar’s in my ascended set and no strength runes, so…

That’s fine, sounds great. Added.

robertul.3679:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

That was awesome. And about that lupi solo: That’s like half the time of the current record. Can’t wait to see it!

Elixir U on the wall.

Ah… seems sort of cheap

dboylolz.3916:

Seems like people that skip Lupi are just slightly forgetful. Everyone should stop giving them such a hard time.

LOL! Was that a GM or a buyer?

That last fight so sick.

Rozbuska.5263:

I have last one for EU good friend and great engi add Baumjunge.6351 :-)

EU team assembled. Go go go go go!

Can’t wait to see the videos

GL guys, make it fun.

That was awesome. And about that lupi solo: That’s like half the time of the current record. Can’t wait to see it!

Wanze.8410:

Mystic.5934:

all time gate after the first ~month of it’s release is pointless. yes, “pointless”. i.e.: without a reason. If you can think of a reason, I’d like to hear it. the only reason I can think of for time gating something is to slow down how much enters the market so it results in as little disruption as possible. after a month, though, prices are all at equilibrium anyways, so un-time-gating it wouldn’t change how many people make.

the point is that it makes people log in on a daily basis.

It had the opposite effect on me.

jknrich.1549:

I would be more that happy to help

EU Server SFR
Add me in game

Added your name to top post.

oxtred.7658:

I believe it is. Never ran the maths personally, since I’m not a pro for engi coefficients and such, but most talented theorycrafters out there said it was. What dungeons in particular would you run?

Who said it was? I thought guang said it wasn’t. And I’m not sure about dungeons… I think it’d be best to wait for the feature patch to hit so that the GWSC records can be updated.

oxtred.7658:

Yeah, I’m just giving thought to improve. Also the op stated speedrun in his post, wich could be confusing for any reader. Anyway back on topic: Bunker down is a dps increase, and you want to take it if you’re maximizing your dps, but even if it’s really good on paper, it requires good positioning. Reflects are indeed reliants on rng, since the tossed elixir closer to the boss will be taken into account not accounting the others behind, you can’t spam 5 and hope for a wall. Stacking mights before a fight is most of the time a time loss, especially since some engi blasts ( mainly BOB and eg4, be careful with BOB though) are a dps increase. The rotation should be: 5 grenade barrages, one engi camp nades, 3 camp bomb aa, 1 uses bomb 2, blasts, etc, or something around that. I’d like to participate as well, but I’m EU. For bleed damage, you’ll cap 25 bleeds pretty fast even without nade spamming, so bomb will be a dps gain over grenade aa. You still want to use shrapnel and freeze in between, possibly when restacking might, every 20 seconds or so.

Will bunker down be a larger DPS increase than the +6-10% you’ll get from modified ammo? I’ll make a separate sign up for EU players on top since we have 2 from EU already interested. You’re right about walls, never thought about that.

Xyonon.3987:

I somehow like the rng of the engineer. It resembles the "well let’s try this gear with that energyzer and look what WHAT THE BOOOOM " part of beeing an engineer :P

I think the RNG should be visual only. Like, the elixir should explode in a green or yellow or red mist with different noises, but the effects should be the same.

Xyonon.3987:

I really don’t think that the bleed will come up for the 30% less damage grenades deal …

If we get 5 we can try both.

Rozbuska.5263:

If this is for EU I am in:-)

:( I’m on NA

Xyonon.3987:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Hey, I’ll add you to the list. Was thinking dungeons.

Re, your points:

Elixir S x 5 engis is 25s stealth without smoke, the jumps are just for when there is a clear area to “speed” things up. Obviously risky, but just in case.

Can you show me the math for blasts? I was just going to use thumper toolbelt, not the utility itself. That way you can switch to a higher dps kit while still getting the blast. I see 2 blasts-mine, thumper toolbelt. Where are you getting 3 without thumper? I want to save the BoB for the boss itself, and same goes for acid bomb.

I think the math was done by guang that if the party already had full vuln bombs were a DPS increase. So what i’ve tried to do is maximize DPS while providing for easy skill switches for running and pre-fight might stacking. As far as I can tell that’s really what these speed runners do.

That said, there’s a few things we’d be deficient at. They include fury, and party wide dps buffs.

As I said – cloak is great for that. Elixier S has no cd to swap if only used toolbelt, so I totally agree with you.

As for the blasts, why should you waste time before a fight to buff? Just charge to the boss and use EG and BoB on a fire field. Those are 30 stacks might with 5 engis, all running strength means 29 sec 25 stacks might. Then with 3x Grenade Barrage and later 2x again provides permanently 25 stacks vuln with bomb 1 as aa. DpS increasing skills like rifle and grenade and mines we’ll just rock everything.

Some here seem to forget that the engineer is 3. (4. if mesmer is phantasm viable) in dps. Best dps is clearly the thief, mesmer if he can sustain 3 phants, then ele is next, right behind it engi. Engi has some of the best burst skills and I’m pretty sure 5 of them can burst down a boss faster than eles post patch.

I was thinking that it might be worth it to stack might BEFORE a fight so that the burst skills get the benefit of might. This may be wrong, that was just my thought process. Also, Guang indicated that bombs are actually lower DPS than grenades due to the effects of bleed. I was wrong above. So perhaps it’d be best to have all engis in grenade kit.

oxtred.7658:

Your reflects are also rng based. But it’s like asking why is 4war1mes suboptimal since you have banners, timewarp, vuln, might, and fury. Engineer on paper dps and burst are cool, but it relies on bunker down, and in a speedrun you just don’t take something with good dps, you take the absolute best possible (=eles for now). That’s for speedruns though, not “casual” daily tours. For tours I still like having a guard for aegis when i don’t feel like dodging, and eles for dem pretty conjures. So, engi has a lot of things, but since they are not the best in it, taking more than 1 or 2 hinder their potential. 2 engis is already 25 vuln, about max. might depending on your utilities, 30-40% reflect uptime, and far enough stealth for any run section. Even 1 engi is already 25 vuln, 9-12 might, 20% reflect uptime, and stealth. So the problem is that 5 engis are only a bit more useful than a single one.

RNG reflects, but with 5 engis the odds of not getting reflect wall is 3%. So it’s pretty close to being OK. I wouldn’t take bunker down at all because of the massive DPS loss. Ele FGS seems to be getting the nerf bat, so their dps will only be marginally better after the patch. The traditional engi vuln relies on grenades which are lower dps than bombs, so with 5 engis you can still cap vuln but with bombs, so you can utilize the engis “best” dps potential.

oxtred.7658:

Just like everything else, stacking 5x the same class is obviously suboptimal. Even if engineers are versatile, having more than 2 is really crippling. You can do a 5 engineer team, but it won’t be close to a speedrun. That said, i don’t think you need a specific running build, etc. 5 meta engis will have 5 smoke fields, 5 toss elixir s, and a ton of blasts. Even more than 1 engi is already too much, at least for now. 2 engis/2 eles/1 war, maybe?

The running build includes the toss elixir s skills and speedy kits for +run speed. The might stacking is for pre-fight might, and for the fights themselves you just switch speedy kits for static discharge to maximize DPS.

I know eles have the ice bows, and wars have banners, and the main thing a 5 engi party would be lacking is permafury, but other than that what are we short on?

icewyrm.5038:

I’d be interested but play with high latency (and probably a diff timezone) so may not be that helpful to you. I’m running a party permafury build atm (reliability depends on situation since it depends on exp turrets) which might be simpler than messing with medkit.

What’s the build? What I’ve tried to do here is use the maximum engi DPS build while still providing as much of the necessities for speed running as possible – ie. stealth, speed, vuln, might. I feel like a turret build would lead to a huge drop in DPS that isn’t going to be made up by permafury. The above has ~30% fury uptime. Low, yes, but not terrible.

Xyonon.3987:

Greez

I’d suggest to skip in cloaked versions instead of damage dealing jumping stuff. Ooc speed is superior compared to that. 3 engineers alone are already able to permacloak a party.

A special build for might stacking is useless aswell. Even without thumper and with rifle instead of a shield you can go for an easy 9 stack every few seconds. And you are 5 engineers so … I wouldn’t suggest to waste a dps increasing utility slot for thumper.

For bossfights i still recommend the grenade kit for opening with barrage for immediately 25 stacks of vuln. Sure mines can do that too, but I’d say grenade 2 and 4 are also a dps increase compared to bombs. Also if one gets somehow low on health he would have no ranged option except for rifle aa, wich is like every engineer aa – baaaad :P

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I’d like to do a 5 engineer party for sure! I really enjoy this class to the finest and engineers seem allways friendly and not like the other forums “NONO YOU SUCK YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PLAY, LIKE I PLAY IS BEST ME PRO”

What do you want to run? Fotm?

Greez Ziggy (Ziggs Ironeye)

Hey, I’ll add you to the list. Was thinking dungeons.

Re, your points:

Elixir S x 5 engis is 25s stealth without smoke, the jumps are just for when there is a clear area to “speed” things up. Obviously risky, but just in case.

Can you show me the math for blasts? I was just going to use thumper toolbelt, not the utility itself. That way you can switch to a higher dps kit while still getting the blast. I see 2 blasts-mine, thumper toolbelt. Where are you getting 3 without thumper? I want to save the BoB for the boss itself, and same goes for acid bomb.

I think the math was done by guang that if the party already had full vuln bombs were a DPS increase. So what i’ve tried to do is maximize DPS while providing for easy skill switches for running and pre-fight might stacking. As far as I can tell that’s really what these speed runners do.

That said, there’s a few things we’d be deficient at. They include fury, and party wide dps buffs.

ShadowPuppet.3746:

I would like to see this happen also. Is this the sign up thread?

Uhm, sure. If you’re interested in trying and have the proper zerker gear and runes, put your ign here. I’ll add names to top post.

dancingmonkey.4902:

i remember right after release, before players learned the dungeons. The forums were spammed with threads crying how Ascalonian catacombs was too difficult and impossible.

The devs had just released a professions poll, and since engineer was the least played profession, they released a video on their blog, of 5 devs, on 5 engineers completing one of the paths in AC, that the forums were swearing was impossible with any group dynamic.

Haha that’s hilarious. I think the above would be a decent comp for speed runs, and it’d be interesting to try.

And by speed I mean fast, not record breaking.

Here’s how I’d do it. Would appreciate thoughts.

3 builds.

1 – Skipping: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-V;4sP-9-u5gTFx0;9;4TT;0916748A;45;05c1;3vhrTvhrTn-kr0;5VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0VR-6q

The skipping build above has the potential for stealth blasts and up to 20 seconds of continuous non-blast instant-apply stealth with no utility slot cool down, and unlimited swiftness. It also has 2 jump skills: acid bomb, and jump shot.

2 – Might stacking: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-V;4sP-9-66NTFx0;9;4TT;0916748A;41;05c1;3vhrTvhrTn-kr0;5VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0VR-6d

Before the fight switch to the skills shown. Lay down a fire bomb or two and each engi should blast a mine and the thumper turret tool belt. 5 × 2 × 3 is 30 stacks of might.

3 – Boss fights: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-V;4sP-9-66gTFx0;9;4TT;0916748A;41;05c1;3vhrTvhrTn-kr0;5VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0VR-6E

Switch speedy kits for static discharge. Start the fight with med kit 5 for 10s fury and swiftness. Immediately lay down mine field for a simultaneous 30 chances at vuln x .5 odds x .7 chance of crit is about 10 stacks of vulnerability immediately. Drop BoB, acid bomb, rifle rotation, bomb kit auto for an easy 25 stacks and pretty good burst damage.

Edit: if you’re interested in trying this add your ign to this thread. Must be geared appropriately.

Party NA:
1: Nevets Crimsongear
2: Sins.4782
3: Ropechef.6192
4:
5:

Party EU:
1: Rozbuska
2: oxtred.7658
3: jknrich.1549
4: Lixerious.5763
5: Baumjunge.6351
6: Xyonon.3987

A 5 engi comp would be fun. Could cover might, vuln, stealth, maybe some fury, reflects, blinds, swiftness. Dps probably lower without +dps buffs and slight condition reliance. Could even have quickness sometimes and pulls and quick defiance stripping for some hard cc…

Edit: Ok here’s generally how I’d do it.

3 builds.

1 – Skipping: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-V;4sP-9-u5gTFx0;9;4TT;0916748A;45;05c1;3vhrTvhrTn-kr0;5VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0VR-6q

The skipping build above has the potential for stealth blasts and up to 20 seconds of continuous non-blast instant-apply stealth with no utility slot cool down, and unlimited swiftness. It also has 2 jump skills: acid bomb, and jump shot.

2 – Might stacking: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-V;4sP-9-66NTFx0;9;4TT;0916748A;41;05c1;3vhrTvhrTn-kr0;5VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0VR-6d

Before the fight switch to the skills shown. Lay down a fire bomb or two and each engi should blast a mine and the thumper turret tool belt. 5 × 2 × 3 is 30 stacks of might.

3 – Boss fights: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-V;4sP-9-66gTFx0;9;4TT;0916748A;41;05c1;3vhrTvhrTn-kr0;5VOVTWYXcYi3o_-o-G-2i;9;9;9;9;9;9;0VR-6E

Switch speedy kits for static discharge. Start the fight with med kit 5 for 10s fury and swiftness. Immediately lay down mine field for a simultaneous 30 chances at vuln x .5 odds x .7 chance of crit is about 10 stacks of vulnerability immediately. Drop BoB, acid bomb, rifle rotation, bomb kit auto for an easy 25 stacks and pretty good burst damage.

It would be cool if anet put a dev team together to show some good will. I want to see pan’s lab play.

Iris Ng.9845:

frifox.5283:

PvE: Return of the Engi

Rise of the engi.*

Does noob already have a team?

RedStar.4218:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Nades were nerfed underwater to have a much wider spread, and if I remember correctly, a lower DPS. If I remember right they did it so in PvP engis wouldn’t be so OP while killing sharks on the one underwater map. They used to be so much better.

So they did it for the one PvP they ended up removing. They can never stop amazing me.

Don’t quote me on it because my memory is a bit shabby in this regard. But I think that was part of the justification.

Purple Miku.7032:

Ah… I see.

Well, about not being able to hit stuff… for some reason the air autoattack on trident for ele doesn’t hit things most of the time for me. I really have no idea why, but it can sometimes be fixed after using the second skill and/or selecting another target quickly and re-selecting the intended target again.

I’m not sure if the grenades problem you’re describing is the same ordeal, but it sure as hell is annoying.

Nades were nerfed underwater to have a much wider spread, and if I remember correctly, a lower DPS. If I remember right they did it so in PvP engis wouldn’t be so OP while killing sharks on the one underwater map. They used to be so much better.

PM me if any team wants an engi.

DarkWasp.7291:

Stephane Lo Presti.7258:

Morsus.5106:

Does this mean that it will affect level 80s?

Yes it will but the change will not be easily noticeable.

Doesn’t matter. Unless you’re talking account-bound stuff only, any slight class based loot manipulation is bad.

Unless the rate is far below 1%, there will be classes that are better to play for the purpose of profit.

And if the rate is below 1%, what’s the point?

ConfusedDave.4271:

I think what Branden is saying is that the camera doesn’t know the difference between ground and, say, tree, or barrow, or anything else solid. They are all just collidable objects. So the tricky thing is not to end up smart-pivoting off of the tree you were just running past as you were adjusting your camera angle.

Pretty sure some botting programs have meshed the ground of gw2. Could something similar be easily done?

Lol engis get your shields rifles and pistols.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

SpeedFiend.4521:

Looks more to me like these “features” are just stuff they already have the code for due to the China release and are using to pad out the “feature” pack.

pad?

what is left if we remove the features from china? I think the whole thing just disappears.

It would seem like it.

Sebbl.2806:

Balancing the present skill/traitset should always have priority over introducing something new, which has a high probability of adding more balancing problems.

Balance is an iterative process and shouldn’t be thought of as something you can ‘finish.’ Add new skills and keep iterating.

Vol.7601:

Soo what is wrong with Chris here?

If OP’s friend took a random ban screenshot off the interwebs and tried to play it off as their own, then that isn’t Chris’ fault. You deceived him.

OP’s friend took a legit screen shot of his instance and mixed it with a generic ban screen shot rather than doing a print screen of his own ban screen. It SEEMS the instance part is legit, and the OP later posted what SEEMS to be the legit ban screen. Chris, in turn, posted a ScreenShot of an instance, claiming it was the one to which the OP was referring, when it SEEMS like it was an instance Pan’s entered 3 minutes later.

So the question still stands: was Element’s friend legitimately banned? Because just by looking at the SS he posted, it SEEMS like ANET was in the wrong.

Miku Lawrence.6329:

Anet provided wrong screenshot.

The mystery behind the screenshot? GM said “Legit” to the banned person then teleported to a second instance for a second check, thus time dif (which is the SS with that asura ele).

That explains why Chris posted the wrong SS. Dev teleported over 3 minutes later, but the chat was still up, so Pan’s probably accidentally provided Chris with the latter SS rather than the one Element posted.

BeastPixels.4531:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

On TS the person’s name was “Alatea.” The first two letters of the e-mail seem to be “Al.” Could be similar. Anyway, as Chris showed, they keep records of the bans. How many people did that particular GM ban on August 25th in Arah? If what Element is saying is true, they should be able to find out who it is pretty easily and clear up the situation to the player base. Or he can at least explain why his SS had a different profession than the SS Element posted.

The banned screen that element posted was a generic picture taken from google images, thats why he later posted the real picture of the suspention message.

I know. So now it’ll be interesting to see what Chris says, if he responds at all.

Wrath x CrAzY.5741:

Naimun.1209:

Furthermore the admins of ANET can clarify her account name seen in the background of that picture.

How’s anyone going to do that with all but 3.5 letters blurred out?

On TS the person’s name was “Alatea.” The first two letters of the e-mail seem to be “Al.” Could be similar. Anyway, as Chris showed, they keep records of the bans. How many people did that particular GM ban on August 25th in Arah? If what Element is saying is true, they should be able to find out who it is pretty easily and clear up the situation to the player base. Or he can at least explain why his SS had a different profession than the SS Element posted.

EcoRI.9273:

Well its most likely going to be about leveling up new toons and how traits are acquired. Right now its almost impossible to get any useful major traits during the leveling process unless you buy from the skill merchant.

Maybe but they JUST acknowledged that trait thread, so I have my doubts.

Nice job! I bet that took a lot of patience

Also music OP.

Carighan.6758:

Element Two.7316:

http://puu.sh/bahzU.jpg

Well yes, that shows a banned login launcher screen. Aaaaaand?

It addresses the apparent build discrepancy the developer Chris brought up to defend the gm’s actions.

Element Two.7316:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Ask her why the screen shot showing her build number was from so long ago.

Element Two.7316:

I imagine they weren’t able to get a screenshot of his ban message (probably uninstalled) so they took one off google images to convey that they got banned.

EDIT: Banned person will get off work in ~hour, should be able to get the actual ban screen then

Reading is hard!

I didn’t see your edit, I wanted confirmation from your friend, not your musings. Anyways, post what she says

Errr… ‘he’

Naimun.1209:

lordarnoud.8973:

Chris Cleary.8017:

I’ll go ahead and play this game. The “screenshot” you’ve provided while “awesome”, doesn’t discount the fact that no one in this screenshot has been actioned. You are posting on the forums, which is a clear indication that you are not banned. None of the people in this party chat are banned. So while the “Legit” is being put into say (according to this screenshot), no action was taken against anyone here.

I know you wanted to post a screenshot of an account being banned, but you are posting a screenshot from the launcher back in 2012. We are on build 38057 not 15377.

My guess is that the GM was putting into question the validity of the tactic being used, but did not action as there was nothing against the rules.

I’ll go ahead and supply the screenshot that the GM took in context of this text. GM Stuffs and Character Name of person in question are blurred (sorry!)

I’m not sure if I understood Chris clearly but is that the first screenshot at the top of " http://i.imgur.com/tcacZ5W.jpg " Is not the legit screenshot? And is Chris saying that there has been no action taken against the people from the top of that screenshot? As you may see from my account name I was in the party and was really confused when the host got banned suddenly… And is the screenshot provided by Chris the actual screenshot that has been taken by the Anet dev “Pans Lab” ?

http://puu.sh/ba9F8/05e8d598f0.jpg

First of all in the link i give now you can see the TS log of that day (25th August 2014) on the left and the acctuall screenshot of Alatea.2483 on the right. Furthermore i’ve marked the link of her screenshot sending it to us in TS. She got banned at 23:51 and sent us the screenshot at 23:55. Those are some mad photoshop skills imo.

Secondly i’ve quoted Lordarnoud’s message because in the screenshot you can clearly see his name (Warrior’s name) in the party Chat. (And you can see his name in our Teamspeak Channel aswell).

Thirdly in this link https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Safespots-and-Exploits/page/2#post4338224 Chris Clearly obviously states that standing OUTSIDE of the boss’s range is a bug and not an exploit.
“Standing outside a stationary boss’s range is not an exploit, the boss “should” reset after an extended period of time, but is not. This is an example of poor boss implementation, and not an exploit” (4th Paragraph)
Even if this would be considered as an exploit in this moment, she should have gotten a warning first and for the second time a temporary ban.
“I’ll be very clear here:
If a GM finds a player that is using a “Safe Spot”, that player will be moved out of the safe spot and warned (via in-game text). If they are caught again, that account will be temporarily suspended.” (7th Paragraph)
The fact that she got a perma ban for not even exploiting is highly confusing.

Ask her why the screen shot showing her build number was from so long ago.

dutchiez.7502:

J Eberle.9312:

spoj.9672:

Thats not the same pic. :P

I don’t understand what’s happening O_O

The one pic has a mesmer player in it and the other pic has an elementalist player in it, why does Chris post a pic which is clearly not taken at the same time and then post it saying it gives context to the GM’s actions?

So the mesmer’s picture is definitely shopped due to the time difference between lyssa backpiece and the build of the ban screen shot. There’s no evidence the mesmer was actually banned. On the other hand the screen shot Chris posted is from a different instance so I’m not sure what its relevance is.

etb.2703:

The raging mob can calm down now ^^ That screenshot was made purposely to make the gm look like a bad guy.

Chris Cleary.8017:

I’ll go ahead and play this game. The “screenshot” http://i.imgur.com/tcacZ5W.jpg you’ve provided while “awesome”, doesn’t discount the fact that no one in this screenshot has been actioned. You are posting on the forums, which is a clear indication that you are not banned. None of the people in this party chat are banned. So while the “Legit” is being put into say (according to this screenshot), no action was taken against anyone here.

I know you wanted to post a screenshot of an account being banned, but you are posting a screenshot from the launcher back in 2012. We are on build 38057 not 15377.

My guess is that the GM was putting into question the validity of the tactic being used, but did not action as there was nothing against the rules.

Lol!

Hahahahahaha

X15

robertul.3679:

Element Two.7316:

Unfortunately A-net has no idea if somebody is actually exploiting or not :|

http://i.imgur.com/tcacZ5W.jpg

This makes me sick.

Let us know if you get your account back. Definitely not coming back if this kind of stuff is the new norm.

I played a Condi engi pre patch to level 80 fractals. Zerk still better, but condi engi is ok. Food is essential though.

IvanTheGrey.2941:

DaveGan.8065:

pzyonix.1645:

To me, it is, with all respect, the unforgiving mass of players that don’t want to assist new players into the game, so that one day they have the same skill as the one kicking them from party. The elitists in diva behaviour, AP-checkers, the verbally abusive towncriers and commanders obey-me-or-uninstall folk, that are pretty much making every map or event, unwelcoming for the new and uninteresting for the veterans.

No. Just no.

Look at DnT’s website and youtube channels. Full of guides and videos. Look at [rT]. Comprehensive class guides on dulfy. [KING]. Videos. Wethospu. GW2Dungeons.net. Dungeon Mentors [Noob] guild. This community is all about helping others improve. They just won’t take it. Then the excuses responses we get when offering help in game too:

“Man it’s just a game stop taking it so seriously”
“Kitten off with your stupid advice”
“I didn’t ask for help you kittening kittenkitten”
“You think you’re better than me, giving me advice?”
“I play how I want”

This game caters to a casual crowd. It’s okay, we get that. They may not enjoy playing with us, and some of them have yet to realize a lot of the more dedicated players won’t enjoy playing with them.

We say, okay, we’ll establish our group as not casual, and they’re free to have/start their more casual groups too.
They say, OMG DISCRIMINATION CALL 911 CALL YOUR LAWYER CALL OBAMA

Can’t +1 this enough.

Bravo!

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