Guild Wars 2

spoj.9672:

The only thing engi brings in a speedrun is unreliable stealth and lower dps than thief. Doesnt make sense to ever use one. Ranger could be used in some situations but usually an extra ele instead of ranger will be better. Ranger is not an option in arah p2 simply because of alphard. Pets and spirits dont dodge and often the pet will stand inside alphards hitbox and cause a bomb even while reflects are up

What about Guang’s claim of might stacking and vulnerability?

Gyler.8150:

dutchiez.7502:

hendo.1940:

You’d want at least two eles, one warrior and a thief for path 2. The last spot is basically free to fill up, should usually contain an elementalist or a guardian. All depending on tactics, of course. I imagine a third elementalist could come ahead of a guardian, at the cost of quite some safety, though. As for rangers, mesmers and engis, though, they have absolutely no spot.
Just to give you a raw idea what a possible team composition for said path could look like.

Idk, I don’t think taking an ele over guardian is worth it, especially for lupi & alphard where reflects are king. 2 ele/thief/war/guard is what I’d say.

I think that is a pretty staple group composition right there, guard for reflects + aegis + decent dps, eles for damage and might stacks and blinds, war for dps + banners (if no eles then he could PS). Basically the thief is the only thing the engi could sort of replace for the 17 seconds of stealth (smoke bomb + toss elixir S if i recall which goes over the 12 second stealth cap, warning have not personally tested).

With that said i guess to really merit the ranger in a party, we have to measure how much damage increase spotter + frost spirit would equate to in terms of dps increase since the ranger + pets dps fully buffed is so low. Then again, if the ranger is just going to use say the LH from the ele or FGS, then he should be dealing respectable damage. For that reason I would prefer to have either 1 ranger or 1 mesmer in my dream comp, but not both at the same time.

So in closing, a ranger could be good if he uses the eles LH a good % of the time. Especially for burst fights with the signet of wild (25% extra damage)

Engi stealth can get to 17 seconds by my experience. Smoke bomb blasts get to 12, then as you said, elixir s for 5 more. That said, engi stealth is trickier than thief because if the blasts hit any enemies you get revealed. It’s a major disadvantage.

hendo.1940:

Yeah, I must admit he does. Although he lives totally far off reality, he’s isn’t a mentally broken coward.

haha!

hendo.1940:

No more #azreell2014, please.

Please, you may not have good feelings toward Guang, but he surely has more credibility than Azreel.

DigitalKirin.9714:

And that being said, that means their time and effort is valuable. If you really truly believe in guanglai’s team comp, you’d be willing to put your money behind it.

I’m not claiming to take sides, I just find the discussion intriguing and hope for my engi’s sake that Guang is correct. As I said above, I’m willing to front all my in-game gold.

DigitalKirin.9714:

Except the burden of proof is for Guanglai to prove himself Right, not for others to prove him wrong. Besides, if we wanted to prove him wrong, we could just ask him how many might stacks a PS warrior can maintain on a group.

I get your point, but he can’t really prove himself right alone. Dungeons are a group effort. While he could partake in the run himself, or make his own guild and do it his way, you should take it as flattery that you guys are the de facto go-to people because you already know what you’re doing.

DigitalKirin.9714:

Darox.8069:

I hope you have a good insurance policy on the loans you grant!

Well if Guanglai doesn’t have the money, maybe Nevets will front the cash.

I’ll front all the cash I have, sell all my mats, and salvage all the crappy exo gear I don’t use anymore for some more cash but I doubt I’d break 100 gold.

Edit: And as for real life cash, I’m in college so I don’t have much of that either.

DigitalKirin.9714:

I think it would be unfair to have any guild, rT or otherwise, do this all pro bono (especially since nobody in any of those guild actually said they’d do it). If you truly believe that this composition will break a record, I would think you’d be willing to fund the specific builds that would be used to make the run. (Specific runes, etc.)

It’s true that no guild said they’d do it. However, I’ve seen this back and forth between Guang and the speed clear groups on more than one occasion. It seems to me like this would be an easy way to finish the discussion once and for all. Therefore the challenge isn’t really “pro bono.” What the speed clear guilds get is the immaterial value of proving Guang wrong. If he is right, then they get the material value of more gold/hour to level up new engis

dutchiez.7502:

hendo.1940:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

hendo.1940:

What about arah path 2? Restricted, no execengisploits allowed.

There’s no time for comparison on GWSC for that path. What time would Guang have to beat?

About 10 minutes and few seconds.

DigitalKirin.9714:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Hey, you want me to theorycraft you a build, I’m right here. I’m ready whenever you are.

Any luck in theorycrafting up a warrior build that maintains 22-25 stacks of might for the group?

Beast. <3

Gotta factor in the ferocity patch though, if not using FGS it will make more of a difference.

Yeah, to make it a fair comparison, I think we should only compare post-patch records. I believe the records posted on the link I shared above are all post-patch, so perhaps we should stick to those.

hendo.1940:

What about arah path 2? Restricted, no execengisploits allowed.

There’s no time for comparison on GWSC for that path. What time would Guang have to beat?

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Hey, you want me to theorycraft you a build, I’m right here. I’m ready whenever you are.

The gauntlet’s been thrown!!!

So, Guang, can you describe what 5 man composition would be ideal for speed clears? Full details including armor, runes, weapons, sigils, traits, skills, and proper rotations?

Then Hendo or DnT or rT or whoever else can test and we can see who is correct.

Which dungeon/path?

I personally don’t care. I suppose for comparison’s sake it’d probably be best to challenge one of these:

http://gwscr.com/records/current-meta-dungeon-records

Not sure how up to date those are though.

Edit: I would say have a look at those, find a “restricted” path that you find the most “incorrect” and provide a full party description for how to do it better.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Hey, you want me to theorycraft you a build, I’m right here. I’m ready whenever you are.

The gauntlet’s been thrown!!!

So, Guang, can you describe what 5 man composition would be ideal for speed clears? Full details including armor, runes, weapons, sigils, traits, skills, and proper rotations?

Then Hendo or DnT or rT or whoever else can test and we can see who is correct.

I’ll give each of you half my gold to participate! That’s like 5 gold apiece.

There’s an easy way to test this. Guang, make a 5 person theorycrafted team. Have rT test it and record the run so we can all see they made a good faith effort.

We can make a Google doc and take bets to make up for Azreel bailing on Hendo.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Hi, I’m back from the shadows again. I had a post prepared, and in the middle of typing it, I figured out how to solve the problem. Basically, the meta is about to change, and Guang is right.

I hope you’re serious!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I want us all to hug and get along and agree that it doesn’t matter what class you main… As long as it isn’t necro. (Sorry spoj.)

All the speed clear teams exclude engi usually too. I’ve been itching for a revolution since forever.

I fell in love with your engi when you and dioptric carried my sorry kitty through that pug fractal last june.

Yeah, but pugging is the extent of it. Pugged all the way to fractals 80. Oh man I remember running cleric’s engi on shaman in the 30s. Thought I was so good.

But the point is we’re looked down upon for speed clears.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I want us all to hug and get along and agree that it doesn’t matter what class you main… As long as it isn’t necro. (Sorry spoj.)

All the speed clear teams exclude engi usually too. I’ve been itching for a revolution since forever.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Why would you use Signet of Rage? You want Battle Standard.

I only put SoR on my bar for Deep Strikes to max out crit chance.

Just thought I’d chime in here. I find this nerd fight amusing, and I want Guanglai to win because I main engi. Also <3 maths.

Enzo.3906:

No, as far as I know.

It’s perfectly legal to multibox, but the software available out there that allows this may do something to the game that is illegal and bounds for a ban.
The closest thing you can do is set up a virtual box and run the client there, but it’s not exactly efficient.

Not sure why you want to do this either, cause it can be extremely laggy even with a beast computer.

GW2 is heavily CPU reliant and unless you somehow have a 6.0 ghz CPU it’s going to be a terrible experience.

Best alternative is to have a 2nd computer/laptop available, or even a Surface Pro.

Can surface pro really run the game?

Azreell I’ve waited 1.5 hours for this. I even bet 1 gold on you. Come on man!

I hope he didn’t chicken out. That’s no fun for anyone and just makes his side lose credibility.

It’s all a huge plot by Hendo and Azreell to siphon off some gold!

So is this happening in 1 minute?

hendo.1940:

Someone on the spreadsheet mentioned that you should use both, berserker and celestial in ascended or other variants of the same rarity + item level.

No level 1 zerker gear.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m considering offering the winner of this challenge a brand new guild wars 2 account. Mainly because I’m nearly positive dub will win and I should like to know when hendo=colesy or dub.

And they’re 50% off right now

Azreell.1568:

hendo.1940:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Tree.3916:

Don’t be daft. There are tools available that tell me what gear, skills, and traits everyone in the party is using. Don’t need gear checks, just check the tool and you have all the info you need.

Edit* Send your bets to Dankies in game and I will keep a tally of who bet on who. I’ll offer 3:1 odds on Azrell and 2:1 odds for hendo.

My bad. Didn’t know there were tools that used this. What time? I wanna place some gold on colsey.

Wait, what tools let me check allies stats? O.o

Was going to ask the same question. O.o

Also , Yes, I will use ruins without apparent tells for both sets.

I saw a youtube video where the guy had some sort of add-on that let you see party member’s HP, so you could tell what set they were wearing. I’m sure he’s referring to some variation of that. For this evening’s purposes, that kind of software is disallowed I’m guessing?

I’ll moderate if ya’ll want!

Azreell.1568:

hendo.1940:

Alright, 1.000 gold to me if I can tell wether you use celestial or berserker armor, 1.000 gold to you if I can’t. EU or NA servers? I’m totally up for a run.

Edit: You’re sadly offline.

NA.

I will be online this evening – at work atm. Look me up I will always have fraps running so you know its legit.

Just to clarify – its 1k aka 1000. not 1.000 which is 1 gold.

Hang on a sec though. Hendo has a 50/50 chance of being right from the get-go. How can we tell if Hendo knows for SURE or isn’t just guessing?

You really going to risk 1k gold on at minimum 50/50 chance?

Edit: I propose you do two runs, one with Zerker set, one with Celestial set. Hendo has to guess after the end of the two runs.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

Of course they are coming, and soon! What do you think, the leaderboards were just a decoy to hide the ugliness of the Fractured update and removing player progression?!

Never forget.

Never forget.

Kaiser.8504:

Wanna bet on who’ll win the bet?

10 gold hendo wins

Gratz Apex, that 6 cap was amazing.

Iason Evan.3806:

In the future blu I would suggest laying a rule down about rage quitting costing you an entry in the next tourney. It’s extremely bad for the game.

I agree.

Lol EU and NA third place teams rage quit. Nice show of character and class there!

Darn, wanted the Engi team to win. Instead they got crushed ;(

I think you should be able to heal enemy players in the downed state.

To keep them in constant limbo.

Ron Cordova.9824:

Did you consider switching protective shield for stabilized armor to reduce the impact of bursts under cc?

I didn’t, but I think it would be a good call. I’ll give it a try tonight.

A few other notes: elixir gun is really good for condi removal if someone decides to help you at far.

Say it’s you and a team member on far, against 3 of them. It’s likely the enemy will have at least one condi spammer, so really pull out fumigate. I also like to cripple them with elixir gun’s #2-it makes avoiding melee so easy.

When people try to range I use shield 4 to reflect their projectiles back, then I move to the edge of the point and keep blocking/dodging.

I mean if you think about it you have a 4.5 seconds of block every 28 seconds. So you can really only be hit for 23.5 second time periods. Dodging at least 6-8 times in there takes you down to about 20 seconds. With projectile block from shield 4 against ranged you can get that lower. With cripple against melee you can get that lower. With proper use of movement, heals, etc you can really last a long time against multiple enemies.

Edit: You can also use Rune of Svanir for an additional 5 seconds of invulnerability every 90 seconds. The problem with these is the high level of conditions in PVP-they’ll simply destroy you from 20% HP to 0%. In addition their stat is defense, not healing power. You can also consider using Elixir S or the trait the procs Elixir S at low health. This will give additional invuln time, albeit at a high cool down.

I would love to see people come up with “the best” variation of the above.

Bowflex.4502:

Look up post patch decap. Yields Same result just more effective.

And love those tear screenshots, delicious.

Yeah, I played around with decap prepatch and haven’t really touched it much postpatch. I feel like the builds serve slightly different purposes.

IN MY OPINION the build I posted has more sustain than the standard decap build. Its downside is less push potential.

What usually kills me is CC. If I can’t move I can’t properly use med kit.

@Benjamin: Usually it’s a heavy CC or interrupt class in tandem with another zerk class that will take me down. I can outheal almost anything. With proper immobilize and two high power classes on me, that’s when I usually die.

@Blitzt: Poison decreases healing by 33%. I can usually outheal it just fine. Burst pressure is usually negated with the blocks. As I stated above, the only thing that really gets me is when one class CCs/interrupts and a second person comes in with guns blazing while my blocks are on cool down.

I have also used slick shoes in the past for a CC break.

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Hi All,

Thought I’d share the engineer bunker build I’ve been using with a bit of success* post-April 15th patch.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=VVRw;2sPku0l6V1Fx0;9;6TT9;406A58B5;0Xw0;3rRnCrRnC3NF

The entire purpose of this build is to carry your team.

Immediately when the match starts use speedy kits to run to far. Get there before the enemy caps the point.

This build will do no damage. Your goal is to simply run in circles on the point blowing all your blocks, heals, and knockbacks in sequence.

For example, a typical rotation will look something like this:

1. Get to point.
2. Stand in middle of point (so you won’t be knocked off.)
3. Use Gear Shield for a 3 second block.
4. Use Static Shield for a 1.5 second block.
5. Blow supply crate, because why not?
6. Use Big old Bomb for a knockback.
7. Use Magnetic Shield for a knockback.
8. Start your heal rotation with Super Elixir.
9. Continue healing using med kit 1-3.
10. Continue healing using your most powerful heal, Bandage Self on the Toolbelt.
11. Continue healing using elixir-infused bombs.
12. Continue healing by swapping weapons (your sigil heals on swap.)
13. During this whole process dodge as much as possible. Your weapon swap will yield you more dodge energy.
14. Repeat.

Each match you will score close to 0 points. See first image below.

Many matches your entire team will tell you that you are terrible, that you contribute nothing and that you should quit playing. See second image below.

Sometimes after a match the enemy will tell you that you are amazing and OP. See last image below.

TL;DR: This build is about holding a point against 2-3 enemy teammembers so the 1337 pros on your team can 4 vs. 2 on another point and hopefully cap it.

Have fun!

*I don’t claim to be good. My rank is terrible, I’ve never played any class but engineer and I’m sure this build is bad.

Edit: Changed some language, added an additional instructional step.

Probably a modification of this:

Was popular back in the day. I bet someone came up with a newer, nicer version with the new update.

I tried to make one tonight. Camped on far point vs. 3 people for at least 3 minutes. They called me OP and a noob. Then the second game I had someone cussing at me. It’s fun to play but you die fast against cc, condis.

SlothBear.9846:

It also doesn’t mark who has this achievement on the fractal leaderboard. Not sure if that’s a bug or not.

:)

Hey O-Eggs, I play engineer (not well, mind you), and want to get your thoughts for a build tomorrow.

Perplexity confusion spammer? I wanna OP kittenolol people tomorrow afternoon.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

@Nevets

That’s just it. They never specified how the teams would be filtered. You’re acting like they changed it. They just didn’t announce it with the initial post.

I never said anything about them changing it. I just stated how it should have been.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Read the announcement post again. They said they would open sign-ups for everyone, but only 16 teams would play. They never said how those teams would be chosen. Saying that they’ve changed their stance since the announcement is false. They just never specified how the teams would be chosen. It’s kind of a pattern for ArenaNet to trickle out information. Whether or not you find that annoying doesn’t change the fact that they never said how the teams would be chosen.

“We’ll open sign-ups to everyone, but only 16 teams per region will make it into the Tournament (subject to change).”

The implication is that some teams will be filtered out, yes. I don’t think it was implied anywhere that the filtering mechanism would be “past performance.” Otherwise, why even open it to everyone? Why not just open it to the best 16 teams from past tournaments?

Also, “(Please keep in mind the amount of bracket slots will more than likely be extended assuming we have enough teams.)”

Static.9841:

The density of minds and self-entitlement is getting really disappointing considering all those threads about how top players deserved something for their time whilst trashing lower ranks, and now we have a thread where top teams think they deserve something whilst trashing lower rated teams. Cute.

I’m with Pyriall, the issue here is that none of this was stated from the start. If you’re going to run a tournament where the biggest draw you’re going to use in the PR machine is how anyone can join and anyone has a chance, then you kitten well shouldn’t edit this later because the top 8 teams have had a word with Blu and think they deserve a spot because “reasons” and then play the old switcharoo with the entry rules.

If it was stated from the start that 8 teams would be chosen, nobody would care and sure, if you were one of those people, you deserve it because it was a pre-requisite.
However, that was never stated, and thus you deserve no higher spot or guaranteed entry over anyone else and should take your chances like anyone else as per the original stated rules.

I think it’s hilariously stupid to be making comments on how anyone outside of the declared top 8 are going to be PvE’ers or WvW’ers thus making them a complete waste in certain people’s eyes – way to be utterly dismissive of anyone representing outside of the top 8 chosen group whilst simultaneously keeping the attitude toxic.

I agree with Static and Pyriall.

Should be fixed tomorrow.

Sounds like your internet screwed you.

Yes! I was waiting for the engi one! Nice work guys. A few questions: how much did builds vary? Ascended or exo gear? Which of those do you think could have been sped up the most?