Guild Wars 2

To the best of my knowledge the only type of bags that shorts by item rarity are the fractal containers bought in the Dissa’s lab (250 relics for the one you want). The closest crafted equivalent are the equipment bags/boxes that will pull gear into them if they have open slots when the gear goes to inventory – but they grab any gear, not just exotic.

Exotics from fractal chests are all Acount bound. Exotics from fractal critters are not.

I’m not high enough up the progression to have seen fractal weapons yet, but I understand they are acount bound, so I’m guessing they only drop from chests, and not just critters.

If I’m skeptical its because the claim is that it was seen in Lion’s Arch. I don’t think you could walk across Lion’s Arch with that particular skin showing without setting off a chat-&-screen-cap firestorm that would literally melt that server.

Seen in the distance in Maelstrom Peek maybe , but you just don’t go to Lion’s Arch without having 40+ people around. Somebody would have been beating the ‘prnt scrn’ key until their finger tip was numb.

Seemingly so.

I’m sayin that the same 1 hour activity rewards didly squat if you do it after having been logged in 5 hours compared to if its only your second hour online.

With dungeons, the rules are clear – first run of the day at full value, everything after that diminishes.

With landscape play, there is invisible anti-bot code that screws real players because it doesnt’ tell you when it’s kicked in.

Seven hours isn’t tiring for me on the days I feel like doing it, and I don’t SELL the stuff I harvest, so I’m clearly not a Bot, but the DR net scoops me up all the same.

The hardest part of making a Legendary is… the thing you haven’t done yet.

Got a precursor? They don’t seem so unreasnable now…

Got a Gift of Battle? Betcha you can do the jump puzzle by muscle memmory now.

Got your Dungeon gift? Yeah, I could stand doing that again if I had to…

Got 77 Clovers? Huh, I got quite a bunch of other good stuff in the process, so that
wasn’t as bad as I thought…

The cliff always looks more scenic when you are standing at the top of it looking down.

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

The moment where you as a player go out to farm the stuff you need in a pace that is not tiring, the devs did a good job, in my opinion.

Oh really? You know how it works then, so that you’re comfident the Devs did a god job? Because I’ve never seen anyone actually pin down and spell out the exact threshold where my free time and general enjoyment of harvesting is suddenly considered unworthy of reward by the Devs.

SteepledHat.1345:

You have a point with FotM. Let’s hope it stays that way.

Stay this way? Heck, why do you think the tier was introduced in the first place?

To cut traders out of BiS.

You can buy a solidly functional set of orange 80 everything. I know I did so long before my first character even reached 80 because of the sale of a super rare skin. But the vertical progression beyond that is strictly by adventuring.

The randomness of the intial Ascended Rings drop schedule sucked, but they fixed that… without putting them up for sale. Accident? Hardly. Primary Design Goal, more like.

Frankly I was a bit disappointed to hear Legendary Weapons were going to stat upgrade to ascended quality – we have transmute stones to keep out favorite cosmetic items laid over our BiS stats, so why wasn’t that good enough? Its a nice nod to the work legendaries are supposed to represent, but truth is we are just now getting to the point where anyone would have enough Mystic Coins to make 77 Clovers with average success rates – so every Legendary you have ever seen (and my goodness there are a lot of them out there) involved at least some use of coin to bypass the logical clock mechanism the Devs built into the game and then threw out the window.

Mystic Coins should have been account bound from day 1.

I don’t mind the marketeers. They are playing the game that is in front of them, not the game many of us wish it were.

I blame the Devs for thinking an unrestricted mercantile free-for-all is an environment conducive to fun for more than a fraction of the participants.

They claimed to be making adjustments so that strolling across the landscape harvesting and killing would be rewarding more on par with dungeoning (though the mutant anti-bot diminshing returns code seems to have shot the hell out of that initiative). I’m waiting for the adjustments that make either one of those activities marginally comperable to never leaving Lion’s Arch at all…

The only way that is gonna happen is if adventure produces more goods, not more worthless mudflating coin.

Try buying the equivalent of my two Ascended rings and Asccended back piece.

Thought not.

I’m not trying for Imbued versions because there’s no call for the extra Agony Resistence except to try for fractal weapons skins (none of which do it for me) but I’m perfectly happy to trot around with 3 red BiS items when I’m dabbling in WvWvW.

Currently best stats in game require at least a smidgeon of adventuring .

While the moles fractal offers a possible source, I’m guessing that the Commissar the shield belongs to is in Frostgorge Sound – likely drops from a chest at the end of the seemingly endless chains of events in the SW corner of the map.

PowerCat.5738:

I farm with 143% MF and I get 8 charged lodestones on a good day, and about 6 on a bad day.

Would you mind clarifying “Day”… as in how many hours and how many cooperative farmers (grouped or not)?

I’m gereally out for 1-3 hours, solo or in an impromtu pack of 3, and running about 120% magic find… and its about 50/50 that I’ll see even 1 in a day. Clearly I’m missing something, because no one I’ve ever spoken to out on the killing grounds has ever claimed they got more than 3 during a 2-3 hour block of hard farming like a farmer farms faramables.

lDeadeyesl.9156:

I would ask that you already have the funds to at least make an impact on the market in a meaningful way when combined with the power of the other traders.

If you have at least 250 gold that can be used towards trading investments, and are interested in this idea, contact me in game.

It interesting you set the floor at 250g. A bit over a week ago I identified a… vulnerability… in the market that I thought would yeild at least a 400% RoI. At first I thought it would only take about 200g to implement it. I’d already been considering about a 200$ real cash buy-in to toy with the market after the holidays. As the discussion went with my roommate, “Would you pay 20 cents to annoy someone? Yes? Ok, How about 200$ to annoy at least a thousand people…?” It would after all be an exercise in pure marketeering malice. That a successful manuever would give me almost exactly enough cash to instantly construct Infinite Light is really just a by-product. Evil is typically its own reward .

After sitting down and really crunching the numbers, I determined it would actually take about 500g. I’d need an equal partner at the level I was willing to buy-in to this scheme. Then along comes this thread…

…Funny thing – I think someone else has seen it too. As of a few days ago the 4-digit stock barrier (supply that would need to be bought up in anticipation of later resale at the new forced arbitrage) is GONE, and I think roughly half of it has already been relisted at a 50% increase in anticipation of the remaining stock being eliminated and that becoming the new trading price. Not nearly as aggressive as my own forecast, but somebody has the liquidity to make it work now. I think theres’s still close ot 300% RoI waiting to happen, and whoever this buyer is, they’re not going to exactly oppose their stock skyrocketing.

A little collusion goes a long way. Just ask the oil companies.

Sunreva.8714:

As I mentioned earlier, theoretically all precursors have the same drop % and the same creation chance from the mystic forge.

Aside from the triffling detail that if you put in 4 shields, the only precursor you are capable of getting is the shield precursoer (“The Chosen”). You only draw from a random pool of all weapons if you put mixed weapon types in. The process is actually fairly directed if you choose to direct it.

Sunreva.8714:

While the demand for certain precursors, such as the Energizer, is lower, it’s technically still as rare as a Dusk or Dawn. The entire Energizer market (20 of them) can be bought up with about 900 gold, and they could easily be relisted for 200 gold each by a manipulator. Yet this hasn’t occurred. Why not? Why haven’t we seen manipulation in the Energizer market? Don’t tell me that people wouldn’t pay 200 gold for an Energizer, when they’re willing to pay 500 gold for a Dusk. If someone is going for the Moot legendary, then they’ll pay 200 gold for the Energizer, much like someone going for Twilight will pay 500 gold for dusk.

Now you’ve done it. You’ve said it out loud.

I give it less than a week before we see it happen .

Well, the madness seems to have stopped. I can post for 1c over highest buy offer and my potato sits there more than a second (about 8 seconds, actually) and then sells for the expected return vs. price listed.

If we can call selling a potato for 1.3s in 8 seconds sane.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

If the TP wasn’t showing you orders that were above the 2.1s you can see, then you’d sell to the highest order, which in this case is 11s, even if you posted at 2.5s.

Can’t very well have buy orders higher than listings.

Across 2 hours and over 30 seperate transactions (one dump from bank plus harvesting with 12 characters at two different sites, sometimes selling part way through harvest because the Veteran Joten worried me) and I never once saw the actual highest buy offer? Not once?

Now that I can actually read my history (thanks for prompting me to explore the UI a bit more) NONE of my potatoes ever sold for what I offered them for. And I know I offered to sell every one of them at ever so slightly higher than the highest visible buy offer because I was trying to get a mass of potatoes sitting there not selling.

The only potato I have left is the one I posted with the “match lowest seller” button when I started trying to probe what was going on. It stayed. Someone (or some-bot) spent all night firing off invisible buy orders for a copper less than the current lowest potato? Like I said, I didn’t think you could actually do that, since the buy now button would automaticaly scoop up the cheapest at the price offered. Not pay 4x standing sell offer.

Huh. Well learn something new every day. Learned how do dig around in my sale history .

Is is normal to post a stack of items for 2.5s and for it to then be bought out a second later for 11s each? I mean when the highest offer is 2.1s? You’d have to manually go in and make that offer, right? Because a simple click of “buy now” would have scooped them up at 2.5s each, yes?

Honestly, I didn’t know you could offer 4 times the asking price.

I mean, maybe when the dust settles it’ll be some Mad King Tatter who blew a heap of coin.. Idid notice as I swapped charaters and harvested the next dozen tatters that the new highest buy offer tended to exactly match the amount my last sell offer had over topped them. But the speed was insane.

Maybe someone was testing a TP bot and it ran amok .

You probably dropped them as new prices were sticking. The process may not have been instantaneous – just computer fast cycling. Some people reported they could only sell 1 at a time.

Every mass I dropped, from the packects of 10-20 that I was harvesting live to the 200+-in-one-whack that was me emptying my bank ‘sold’ effectively instantly. I sold every single one of those bundles at above highest price offered. I was trying to create a new availability floor to kill what looked like price manipulation. They should have waited around for a new buy order that at least matched them. Instead they’d just vanish. I thought I was fighting a buy-wall I couldn’t see for some reason. A really weird buy-wall but I’ve seen equally strange behavior on my goods before and figured the mysterious King Tatter was hunched over GWspidey like a hawk defending their buy-out scheme.

You guys don’t read so good.

No one was buying the potatoes – they were exiting the system, not changing hands. Then the system gave out coin equal to the current lowest for sale offer that was not glitched.

Someone must have detected the behavior when it was in it’s usual coppers per item range, and used all their wealth to buy up every single potato from 45c up to above 70 silver, ALL of them, to magnify the glitch, then set a sell order that didn’t glitch, then unloaded every single potato they bought into the void for 70s per potato. No buyer paid for them. They just transmuted into coin.

They didn’t just make proft on every potato, they made in excess of 10,000% profit on those potatoes the bought below 70c. Ten-thousand percent. And every single potato they acquired was sold at a substantial gain right up to that 70s mark. Then they yanked their orders and tried to hide their tracks, while whatever mechanism that allowed new very high sale offers to stick rather than autoconvert potatoes-to-coin slowly inched downwards from 70s to 5ish.

No one is buying them at that price. The buy orders are for small coin and not being filled.

The TP burped.

Huh. Let me check something…

Oh yeah something’s broke.

I’ve posted a bug report, and market forces are closing the loophole fast, but I’ll refrain from explaining it here in public. Needless to say this needs hotfix ASAP.

They are still going for over 6s. Somebody wanted to be the Tatter King in a big way.

LOL. So I just strolled into Haivoisenn Kenning and picked 12 potatoes and put them up for 2s.

I have 11 more characters who can do that in about 60 seconds each.

This stunt will be over fast.

Raebfle.5914:

All of us tried to zone in at our appropriate level but apparently they haven’t fixed jack x.x

Announcements of intent and patch notes are two different things.

KratosAngel.7289:

1) If somebody ragequits, is kicked for leeching or being agressive or useless, can we invite a new player and this player can join, REGARDLESS the map (if it’s the 1st, 2d, 3rd or 4th that is)

Given the potential for rampant abuse and because everything they’ve hinted at revolves around helping the same person get back in when a connection goes fubar, I really expect the answer to be “No”.

KratosAngel.7289:

2) If answer to #1 is yes, what will we have as warrants, protections from abusive behaviour ?

Kinda answered your own question: why open that can of worms in the first place when they can leave things as they are?

Fasalina.6571:

Just lost another hour because I dced at the third fractal just before the Jade Maw. And now I only have roughly 40 minutes to start a new run for the daily.
SCREW THIS kitten.

Just imagined how thrilled the other four people were to get hooked up with someone who for whatever reason DCs on them.

Had a person just mysteriously evaporate at the start of the third fractal in an odd numbered difficulty where everyone was looking for advancement of their cap just today. Thankfully the other three took direction really well and we were able to do the entire moles fractal with just four people. Stupid mining suit took a sizable fraction of forever, but we got it done and can move on.

Did your friend take any screen captures?

While it’d be nice to tie in the Quest Line (I can’t bring my self to call it the personal story…) I’d only require they got as far as the last solo step at the the Source – the stupid transition to Arah story mode is NOT something you want to highlight about the game…

I’d like to see all three of the dragon lieutenant battle achievements as part of it – get landed on by the Claw of Jormag, fire ze lazer at Tequatl, and bust some crystal prisons around the the Shatter’s toes.

Its pretty sad when a decent concentration of mobs is more desirable than the dragon-kill chest.

Kinda suggests the Claw of Jormag chest loot table is… lacking.

I think there is someting to be learned from the champion chests in the Mad King’s labyrinth. Once-per-day-per-character, and a not terrible chance of getting an exotic (call it 4%).

You use that benchmark for the dragons and people can STOP pounding it 4 times a day (because you only get the loot once per day) and start looking forward to actually doing it a few times over the course of a week.

Kacigarka.5176:

Btw .. there is a response by Anets dev who said that nothing is wrong with high prices of precursor because they are so rare and so demanded

Really? You and I remember the Dev comments on the topic very differently…

“We’ve received a large amount of feedback about Legendaries becoming unreachable. This is actually a topic we’ve been tracking for quite some time. To ease your minds I am here to say that it’s something we’ve been watching and we’ve been listening to your feedback. You can expect to begin to see changes addressing the issue starting with our next build.”

“I am definitely working on the precursor scavenger hunt, but like others have said, things like this take time and I want to get it right. Not to mention, it’s not the only thing on my plate. Please do not expect to see the precursor scavenger hunt in the next patch. I may be awesome, but I am still only human and this is a fairly large amount of work to get done and done right. Please be patient!”

Those are not the actions of a staff happy with the current trajectory.

I didn’t say it was misnamed. I said it was a gold check. Rather than the harvesting check it looks like on paper.

At this point ANet might want to consider having a few less player-controled variable gold checks in their so-called endgame. At least as they move forward.

Yeah… I’m really hoping the Legendary Armor use the Gift of Mastery and NOTHING ELSE seen in the current recipies.

The Gift of Fortune has become nothing more than a gold check.

The unique Item Gifts are ok-ish – being based off of dungeon runs, crafting, and a FIXED gold check (100g for the icy runestones). Then they go completely off the rails with that insane grind for lodestones/dubloons if you actually try to do the harvesting yourself. Yet another ‘play the market or be fool in the service of those who do’ step.

The precurrsors have proven to be grossly flawed concept – scrap that kitty-litter.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

You realize that if the item is completely overpriced for what the market will bear, undercutting by 1c doesn’t change that fact at all, and in fact makes it stagnate at that overpriced level.

I do realize it. And it gives me not insignificant pleasure to watch the 1c-but-still-too-baby-cat-much seller waste his listing fees as much as the first guy who can’t seem to sell his goods. I am perfectly happy to watch 10 or 15 would-be sharks get dunked in a round of 1c downsmanship when the price the market will bear isn’t 15c lower, but more like 10s or 10g lower.

The current system allows for finesse – the potential to correctly judge when volume is low but the price is acceptible vs. when the price is hair-ball crazy and needs to be slashed substantially to see any movement.

The Rules don’t need to take away people’s ability to make that judgement.

Its ok, because it’s going to create such a godawful furor, its going to kitten off so many of the people who log into to adventure rather than day trade, that ANet may finally be forced to confront the possibility that their unrestricted market simulator with an attached fantasy-themed sweatshop/MMO may not be appealing to quite the gaming audience they were hoping to attract and retain.

A change in the rules is nothing more than a change in the rules – it will help some people and hurt others.

At this point there ain’t a lot of sympathy out there for the folks this propossed change would help: those people who priced higher than the market will bear in the time it takes for the next trader with the exact same product to come along.

If you are so concerned about being undercut by a penny, stick to goods that move in high volume… or price so yours is SOLD before that evil, evil 1c bandit shows up to claim the front of the line for your niche.

Well, since it’s a level 80 item, that actually narrows down the hunting area quite a bit. Cursed shore, a few places in Malchor’s leap… and parts of Frostgorge Sound.

It doesn’t have barnacles on it, like the Orr themed weapons. Maybe we’re looking at the complete wrong end of the world. Any sunken ships or tombs (“Final Resting Places”) up in the icy north? ’Cause outside of the Claw of Jormag zergfest, that zone is EMPTY. You could hide a couple bosses up there without hitting their reward-chest often enough to get a good sample.

Absolutely support seeing an update to this. I so want to see some actual numbers behind the appearant laughingstock their wealth equality goal has become.

I spent a couple of real dollars on chests during the Mad King event, got junk, turned the junk into Halloween chests, then from those got a grinning shield skin I sold for enough to outfit 3 characters with full exotics. Round about and more fortunate than buying gold with gems, but ultimately the same principle – advantage bought rather than played for.

Going for MF gear in particular may or may not give you any tangible sense of advantage (I have one 80 heavily in MF, one partially, and I can tell a difference, but its not huge), but I highly recomend just grabbing a full set of any orange gear for your characters as they hit 80. It gives you a tremendous amout of leeway to learn dungeons for the first run or three, to not drag people down as you practice fractals, or to just tromp across Orr/Frostgorge without getting beat up. Superior runes of the Pirate are surprisingly cheap and will get you 50% MF for 5 slots. Drop in a traveler in the last slot and start Opal’ing-up you trinkets and it barely matters if your base armor is stats or 3% per piece.

(My MF-heavy farming implement uses a Rune of Luck in one weapon – another 15% if you are just strolling across a zone)

You know that you can dump stacks of food into the mystic forge for captain’s commendations, yes?

That’s basically vendoring them, but for a spiffy unique currency.

Black Wolf.7348:

I thought the price on charge lodestones was a bit high when they were 2.5g each, but 4.3g is just ridiculous.

Have you farmed them much? The price is still on the low side compared to the difficulty. You can blow through AC all three paths and count your 2 gold + extras in under an hour EVERY SINGLE TIME. You go out and farm Charged Lodestones you are hit and miss to get even 1 in that time. Guarantee’d gold vs. chance of rare drop – yeah, you better belive their value is a LOT more than 2g. I’m up to 9 lodestones (when I convert my cores) and I wouldn’t part with them for less than 6-8g apiece given the time it took me to get them that I could have spent doing some completely reliable coin-grinding activity.

Not sure if that was the issue but glad it worked out. Enjoy your new back piece !

Bags full?

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Did the place where you looked up the recipies for your legendary happen to list if the crafted gifts were ‘bind on acquire’ or ‘account bound’?

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

This thread makes me wonder: how many people besides myself are going for a Legendary without playing the TP at all?

I’m advancing on a legendary and I don’t buy my components from the TP at all.

I do the WvW jump puzzle a few times a week for my Gift of Jumpin- er, Battle. I smile a little every time a t6 blue mat drops and increments me toward the 2,000 of them I’ll need (I’m up to about 50 in all 8 categories, so creeping along). I buy icy runestones once in a while if I’ve been doing dungeons that day, but honestly I’m largely bored with the ones people run constantly. I have my dungeon gift. I have 5 crafts at 400 and the remaining 3 well under way so the crafting gifts don’t alarm me too much. I can make gold when I choose to exert myself, I’d just rather earn goods and mats rather than mudflation coin.

I’ve put my hunt for the precurrsor on hold – not spending much time up at the Claw event and all my yellows are being dimantled for ectos. I have 50 clovers and am in good shape on obsidean to finish the 77, then I can start stock piling obsidean for the 250 required. Skill points I have aplenty, since I harvest the landscape with all the required killin’ and do a FotM run pretty much daily. I’m sure my collectibles tab would be worth several hundred gold at maket value given the piles of cores and lodestones I’m sitting on while waiting to decide which Legendary I’m gonna push hard for.

I could farm money instead of materials, but that always strikes me as self defeating – since money put into the TP doesn’t go away (like it would if I could buy some of these mats from vendors). Instead it goes to arm Super-traders who will just use it to build buy-walls to cut me off from the next item I need. If I farm 4 gold and buy a charged lodestone, thats just driving the price up. If I farm up one myself, thats 1 more I have without adding 4g of intrinsically valueless coin to the system.

spacelion.9865:

Renewed focus roots you into place…

I keep seeing people say this and keep wondering what in the fiery-dark-place are you all talking about?

Renewed Focus DOESN’T ROOT in my experience. If you remain still you get the little lifted into the the air ‘floaty’ animation, but you can move the entire time if you choose to.

Keep in mind there is a tremendous difference in texture (an likely flavor) between sedate quaggan and angwy quaggan.

You could print the cookbooks with two front covers – flip to the side for your latest catch!

I tend to think its a societal sickness that people take pleasure in what others don’t have, rather than find it what they do have . I’m after Infinite Light not because it’s rare and others won’t have what I’ve got, I’m after it because it’ll make my character look better to me. When I do have it, I’m still gonna sympathize with anyone who wants one – I am not dimished by their achieving that goal too.

I think the idea of Legendaries went off the rails the moment mystic coins were not Account Bound. Those are the ticking clock of the game, it’s literal pulsing life blood… and people trade them away for a pittance. If they had been account bound there’d probably only be 5-10 legedaries on the whole server, owned by people who faithfully checked in daily AND were crazy lucky on their clover rolls at the mystic fountain.

Instead you can’t swing a dead cat in Lion’s Arch without shaving off a leg on somebody’s Twilight.

In some ways its as simple as having a mechanism of exchange.

If I could buy lodestones with WvW tokens, I’d add some WvW to my rotation.

So, you had 35 gold fall out of the sky upon you… and expect us to what? Pity you?

If you don’t want it, sell it. Or make a character that will use it. You got a tremendous leg up on the process one way or the other, so figure it out.