Guild Wars 2

Neftex.7594:

basically you fight for nothing

i love this quote

im thinking of posting my full signet warrior guide….

heres the link
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior

i know what you mean by it previously, it is you who was confused by it

lol were on the same side

Cecilia.5179:

All maps except for ebg outmanned and mostly empty on a Saturday evening.
JQ could really use some transfers. IoJ merge added like 10 people to our community.
It’s really a shame to see JQ so empty.

lol, IoJ is a shame for adding only 10 people?
last time ive seen those 10 guys it can wipe a full queued jq blob

Kudos to mods for deleting my posts lol
that way i’ll know if they are reading the forums

here to help you track the kills and deaths
http://wvwintel.com/
as for the camps, towers, and keeps
you’ve tracked it yourself, you just have to put 1 of each instead of the 5, 10, 20, 30 thing,
or you can use that site too to track the captures you want every 5 mins if you like
to make it simple,
1 capture
1 kill
1 death

and Good day, bb

TorquedSoul.8097:

I am open to anyone providing another method for measuring activity. I am using a simplistic measure to avoid putting too much of my own biases into the result. I personally feel that I should weight kills/deaths a bit higher but since it was arbitrary I decided to just use the raw numbers.

edited it for you, see above ^
if you cant see the relationship then i have no more to offer
that’s the simplest form of explanation i can provide

hmmm, who is being hostile? lol
is it wrong to ask something you don’t understand, i guess it is… its called being hostile….

TorquedSoul.8097:

One capture volume point is not one capture. A camp is worth 5, towers 10, keep 25, and castle 35 capture volume points. Basically the PPT value.

uhmmm, ok.

TorquedSoul.8097:

I am not tracking PPT, I am tracking individual captures.

uhmmm, what again?

i think you should have said in the first quote that,
A camp is worth 1, towers 1, keep 1, and castle 1 capture volume point.

an activity is just one activity, one player killing one player is one activity, 1 blob killing 1 player is one activity

one blob killing 5 roamers is 5 activity because those 5 players can either do something crazy to increase activity by killing 2-3 enemies which increase 2-3 more activities or accept their fate giving a flat 5 activity

but when a blob captures a camp then enemies comes to defend it branches out several activities, one activity for successful capture plus the deaths and kills that came along the fight till they disengage

(this also applies to PvD when no one is defending as it existed in WvW 1.0 after all your graph is WvW 1.0 based, a blob taking a keep without resistance is one activity)

your graph is all about activity right, i am just correcting you

i came to help you on something while you accuse me of being hostile?
get a grip

you should have taken snapshot every 15mins not 5mins for the correct ppt model you know…

lets be clear to all readers, this is not the current matchup data
this is WvW 1.0 data, this is not WvW 2.0 data

it simply combined the individual activities together for the purpose of making a chart
this doesnt mean that this is the merged/linked chart

ok do whatever you like best,
i just passed by to ask validity of the chart thats all
fortune telling is not my thing, and i dont believe in those…….
(when i ask fortune tellers how they do it they always get angry, always…. lol)

TorquedSoul.8097:

it gives an good overall activity level estimate since the server linking.

: )

TorquedSoul.8097:

These estimates are based on last weeks data so may still be a bit inflated due to the population changes from the update.

The chart shows three timezone blocks (NA, OCX, EU). SEA was combined with OCX.

The number next to the server names is the average glicko rating of the combined servers.

The activity scores are calculated by adding capture volume, kills, and deaths.

seems legit…
ill take the matches from the top and bottom of the chart (kill,deatch,cap)

x is the capture volume on your chart

Kills + Deaths + Capture Volume = Activity Score

SoS+GoM (33.5k + 42.9k + x = 80.5k) x=8.6k
HoD+EB (31.9k + 38.9k + x = 120.3k) x=49.5k (49,500 capture volume?, thats way bigger than their kills or deaths)

i had to stop here because i think there’s something wrong about the chart, or not…..

just paint the desert borderland with snow, its practically the same as alphine
but for me, if its a colored theme matches
i want the maps on each border be different like

desert for red (you know what this is)
underwater for blue (underwater combat)
jungle for green (HoT themed)

can we have those lotsa players from low tier enjoying and not enjoying the merging
can we post some screenies of their chat/rant/whatever about the situation to see who speaks correct and not just ettins

….you know that universal queue is already solved in the form of eotm right?
your proposal is good but think of it this way, its a WvW 1.5 version not 2.0
why?
because, it would put again a wall on tiers, lock again each other servers to fight each other, PPT meta again will dominate……. bored players will slumber again on WvW and worst case, leave for good…

just give everybody a chance to meet everyone, i personally don’t want to be separated by tiers to meet some good people, before if you want that there’s a fee, but now its free

you see, everyone is being blind by not seeing the truth, they say that GW2 is Buy to play B2P, and it is also not Pay to Win P2W because there are no items that can be bought with cash that will have advantage of the others,

in order to win…. you must buy gems for the transfer to higher tiers
that is another form of P2W

tiers and ranks are bad image… it bring inequality, it brings imbalance
you’ll ask, so what will be the purpose of winning a match if not for glicko, ranks and tiers?
answer: profit

that would disable one of the deadly sins, the pride, but it would introduce another, greed

Arius.7031:

In fact, specifically, they are well aware of the fact that there would be population imbalances and opted to use an inverse ranking pairing instead of going by their in house metrics for simplicity’s sake. This is not calibration as you’ve defined it.

We know the results are not final, new matches will be made, the system may be tweaked etc… It’s simply giving feedback based on what is currently available. This is not the same as writing off the whole system, but providing valuable intelligence for the developer to work with. That’s what they want.

hmmm, i guess you didn’t read at all….
Calibration is the process of finding a relationship between two quantities that are unknown. (when the measurable quantities are not given a particular value for the amount considered or found a standard for the quantity)

you dont want a relationship between two worlds that are unknown to each other and probably never will on the old wvw system for free? lol (this is a joke but meaningful explanation)

highest+lowest
or you want me to explain in terms you cant read and understand again?

just be straight to your so called feedback, you want to make the matches or even the pairings all in your favor…. not for everyone…..

as an example, if you where them (Anet)
how would you solve, no lets face the reality, how would you pair the servers?

your response will reflect if your just ranting too or not.

PS: btw arius, ive kept my promise for uploading the videos, took a while uploading before you got lie low on the forums…(was sad back then, thought another good player was lost due to wvw imbalance..)

Pt.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FmNgz1uwnY8#t=0
Pt.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WgF1b1H1lvE#t=0

i know what you feel bro,
ive leveled all my toons to 80 on wvw, not eotm to be clear
ive seen what low server fights are up to high tier when i transfered to t1 server

hate to post some old vids but here it goes

this is what you mean by low tier fights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TTMsJ7cF6Z4#t=0

now when gom made to mid tier, first time ive seen things i was shocked to see a massive amount of enemies pouring and engulfing your squad, didnt know what to do at first, i just go with the flow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FmNgz1uwnY8#t=0

what ive seen so far, there are blob vs blob too with prolonged and decisive engagements much like in lower tier, you just have to see it harder, and let go

btw about the reward track, i was itching to get this helm for my necro

ah,
think of the 3 months as a learning experience not just for you but for your entire server, you may or may not have that chance to do so
maybe one day, for your experiencing that moment, you can lead your server to greatness in battle, even recognize your server as the friendliest and most hospitable in terms of linking
you see linking/merging is not that bad, it adds opportunities… many opportunities

PabbyGaul.9682:

Keep up the good work and dont listen to the vocal minority about server identity, its only an issue to like 3 ppl.

i wonder who those 3 people are,
so far i’ve encountered 3 trolls in game trying to destroy a world alliance, when i started asking them whats their problem they kept silent
i wonder if this a coincidence ……..or not
i must be talking to some ettins….. i dunno

First there was a ghost whisperer
then came dog whisperer
then this, salt whisperer? wtf is going on lol

Rasudido.6734:

In a perfect WvW scenario there are no tiers and no difference in play style between servers.

Tier fanboys and rank warriors gonna hate you for this…
Godspeed, Leonidas………

Arius.7031:

They need honest opinions on the subject in order to find the proper system, so excusing the problems with “it’s just le testing duh” actually makes it so their tests are LESS effective. We need to be giving them as much constructive feedback as we can to refine the system.

you’ve read the definition of calibration right?

testing is day 1, calibration is day 2 onwards……..

Arius.7031:

The OP is pointing out that, contrary to what many thought this system would do, it has on average created a larger gap between the strongest servers and the weakest servers in matchups. This may settle down as matchups go on and servers rise/fall, but giving accurate feedback as the tests progress is the best thing we can do to help better the game.

the OP doesn’t know when to rant

think of it this way,

would you prefer to eat an instant noodle or go to ramen shop to eat freshyly cooked one
-both are tasty
-1 is healthy, 1 is not
-1 is easy to make by yourself, 1 takes long time to be served by others

*some here likes to eat instant noodle so they want an instant WvW repair kit
*some here just went to restaurant to eat a fresh one, but the waiting is making them hungrier so they get angry,

what did the restaurant do?
- serve water, serve appetizer, serve anything that will make the customer wait without being angry
-what did Anet do?
Triumphant armor box with a lot of opportunities/population to get it upon

i am not paid to spoon feed these children…

DeWolfe.2174:

rant rant rant

you just have to wait
as shaco always says “just a little bit closer”

Naithe.4271:

So why are you pushing for it instead of spreading out if the dream is constant rotation?

one of the seven deadly sins (and the deadliest of them all)

Phantom.5389:

For NA
Tarnished Kaineng

*Dragons of Rall

Maguuma’s Rest

Fort Aspenass

*Sea of Madness

*Henge of Emhry

Ferghaven

*Storm Desert

*Northern Furnace

*Yaks Rock

*Black Terrace

*Jade Isle

According to the unnoficial WvW forums or in the common tongue -> Players versus forums. http://www.gw2wvw.net/forums/na-matchups

i dont like those bold names, makes me grin while reading those specially the
Fort Aspen’s @ss

Go play WvW, dont be distracted by the glicko, ranks and tiers
after Beta lets see who will Anet listen to:

the veteran glicko/rank/tier fanboys
the returning curious cats
or the new breed of WvW bags

so stay tuned and watch GoT S06 Ep1

Puck.9612:

What is with the memes and random pictures in every post? Are you 13? Use your words like a big boy.
The reason the score matters in this match is to determine if the pairings worked or not. If certain ones are too strong they will need to be changed. Some servers likely don’t need to be linked at all and have enough of a population on their own.

You say you don’t care about the tiers and ranks because you just want to kill things but I guarantee if you were on AR a week ago and were matched up with BG you wouldn’t even step foot into WvW because the population difference is so drastically different. You’d likely go to your precious EotM where you could karma train and kill your shiny red npc’s.

sorry, offended the big boy with the puny meme lol
its a catchphrase btw

ok, lets be straight now to topic and stop the whining, Anet is working on WvW finally
as the title says

Q1: Mr. Puck, do you agree with the pairings that occur in WvW in terms of population, coverage balance?

Q2: Would you like the tiers and ranks to put a wall again between servers?

Q3:If you think your server is capable of taking down two merged servers, then lost a landslide, would you whine in the forums about that?

Q4:Why do you hate killing stuffs and karma and EoTM too, you had a bad experience about that?

Q5: last Q, do you play dota?

Puck.9612:

The way discussions work is you have to come up with counter arguments to the points being made. Do you really think the current match ups aren’t being evaluated and that their results won’t affect future match ups? We are in a beta test…. They are testing linked servers in WvW for the first time…. The score this week probably matters more than it ever did.
Meanwhile EotM carries on with it’s normal karma train….
So go enjoy your Dota2, you clearly care a good deal about WvW if you are going to quit as soon as you don’t get your way. Leave the feedback and discussions to the adults.

as ive said before…. sigh….
i dont do arguments here (i dont want to get my posts deleted lol)
if you want an argument we can do that on the salt forum

say your world gained the highest score to all other matchup for like over 9000
who do you think the one you will paired next matchup?
im guessing that you will say “ofc we will be paired with the same over 9000 world again or another over 9000”

what if you will be paired with the ones scored the least this time
you think that would be unfair? does it matter to you?
“What can one do when one loses what matters most” – Nanami, Valkyrie Profile

the score doesn’t matter to me, its not the score that keeps me from playing WvW
its the shiny red names that when you whack hard enough, it will turn into bags and gold
as long as there are shiny red names exists, then im happy to play WvW
forgive my shallow happiness…, but it took Anet years to grant it….

if the scores matters to you then, go rant on the feedback and discussions to bring your illusionary scores a more suitable acknowledgement

learn from the past, we dont want WvW 1.0 again
let it go puck, let it go…… your precious tiers and ranks…..

Puck.9612:

I can get to the black lion trading post through my hero panel… does that make them the same thing?

as long as it pleases you its the same thing
same as glicko ,tiers, and scoring to bragging rights

sorry if i took your candy, but inequality is not my style
just bear with it atm, for EB and BLs doesnt generate your true meaning of tiers and scores, its just another Green Blue and Red matchup pairing ratings just like EoTM and lastly just like WvW

-that is my proof

PS: if by the time Anet pushed inequality again on WvW, thats the time i uninstall GW2 without a word or whining/ranting here on the forums and then going back to play dota2, right puck?
even on the infamous salt forums, the tier fanboys and rank fans are slowly diminishing that is a good sign

Puck.9612:

@Norbe.7630

I thought you said you had proof EotM is WvW, what happened to that? Maybe try offering that instead of replying to my arguments with random thoughts that are in no way counter arguments.

glad you asked

btw as ive said before glicko is used in pairings now, meaning strong servers will be matched with weak servers on a PPT/scoring wise

so what point is scoring/glicko now if every match pairing would still be equal?
thats right, bragging rights kicks in action

isnt that a counter argument?
i dont recall arguing with anybody duh

i dont want to explain anymore further how EoTM can fill your needs/wants/hype on WvW cuz pride owns you, bragging rights i mean

bloody hell, pride for ones server and EoTM doesnt contribute to ones servers glicko

i guess ill just have to agree with you, EoTM is not considered one of your tools for bragging rights, i mean scoring and glicko sry

keep calm and read slowly baby

Puck.9612:

Ummm sure.
It doesn’t contribute to the weekly score
It doesn’t contribute to glicko (which is a kittenty system but it does determine your server placement and who you will be fighting in the future)
There are no communities due to random pairings
There are no rivalries due to random pairings
Scoring and timing are different
Hell do things even upgrade there?

EotM is not WvW. Do you also think Stronghold is WvW?

It doesn’t contribute to the weekly score
it just contribute to supplies, supplies is used to siege walls, doors and reds

It doesn’t contribute to glicko (which is a kittenty system but it does determine your server placement and who you will be fighting in the future)
glicko is useless due to pairings, its just for bragging rights and tier fanboys

There are no communities due to random pairings
there will be intercommunity bloom, former enemies can work together for free

There are no rivalries due to random pairings
why do you want rivalry, you want another matchup with the same faces for a whole year or two?

Scoring and timing are different
no comment here bruh, you must be blind

Hell do things even upgrade there?
ive seen dune rollers and banners on the matchup, do you not?

EotM is not WvW. Do you also think Stronghold is WvW?
stronghold is pvp, stonghold is moba duh?

Puck.9612:

Norbe.7630:

heres a tip, no queue involved
dont worry its not PvP, PvP have queues too you know

its WvW

No…. it’s definitely not.

i have proofs that its WvW,
you have proof its not?

3-5 man?
stay with pvp

Pros:
-WvW is alive
-Tiers are dead
-Roamers in the brink of extinction

Cons:
-Tier fanboys rant
-Queue haters rant

Verdict:
coordination is hard at first but you may share your preferred voip to your linked server, invite them to TS3 for coordination as you did before on your own server
put a tag to them like linked/paired/merged on your ts so you know they are allied servers or use the good old map/team chat

be friendly to your linked server so that 3 month of side by side fights can be fun
remember they are your allies not enemies on the match up

there will be trolls/spies who will destroy your temporary/permanent ally in order to take advantage of it, this is war “divide and conquer” as they say

last note: GLHF

tell me if that also is queued , then ill join your queue crusade

PS: btw if you were gonna rant, do it here
http://www.gw2wvw.net/forums/na-matchups
we can discuss your concerns there without mods deleting my posts here
(i shall provide you with 3 posts invulnerability buff there, after that your on your own)

heres a tip, no queue involved
dont worry its not PvP, PvP have queues too you know

its WvW

im giving the Devs’ a C

C stands for Calibration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibration

and i can give then B too

B stands for Beta

this is Beta period right…. Calibration in Beta….

want me to Give them A too?

A stand for Anet

Anet deploys Beta for the Calibration of Population…. duh?

thats all i want to say

PS: let me give an S rating on some cats

my condolences…..
i can lend you my my shoulder if it will help you ease on your time of mourning

Like Shaggy would say: it wasn’t me hue hue hue hue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MorR04iLtMw

joneirikb.7506:

XTD is one of the few people on this forum that discusses things from a mostly un-biased perspective.

8 hours after reset:
-the hype on equality
-the fear of queues
-the biased pips that does not want to have equal population in order for a fair game
-the world where guilds can be traded for gold came to a halt because instead of buying some guilds in order to rank up tiers, you are given a whole server for free

too much salt
too biased comments……
sigh…, i wish WvW died 8 hours ago, but i came back to love it for the 2nd time around

Lord Kuru.3685:

Outside of Anet devs, who considers EoTM WvW?

i do,
when BLs and EB are empty i go there to WvW
you consider EoTM not WvW?

Keviin Snow.5760:

that is what i did , i went to raid , came back still in queue lol its 1 am and i wanted to go wvw again and another queue , this haven’t happen over 4 yrs
btw what is beta had to do with wvw ?
i never trust beta anyway
never one beta without problem

cuz the players 4 years ago are returning to see how Anet revived WvW?
i dunno

Keviin Snow.5760:

Norbe.7630
how do you know ? u work for anet ?
and you are sure 100 % we won’t have lag , crash or queue tomorrow ?

go use
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/64-bit-Client-Beta-FAQ

if your problem is que, go EoTM or the BLs while queuing to your prefered map
if all map is queued even EoTM, go play PvP
if you dont like PvP go back to PvE
cuz PvE has no ques lol

Slive.9053:

I’m a casual player and I only have time to play gw2 for about one hour per day. The queue time essentially prevents me from playing WvW, which is the only part of the game that I really enjoy.

Queues weren’t even this bad on launch weekend for me. I’m a casual player on a fairly casual server and I liked it that way.

EoTM have no qs
go play there for one hour a day, its 3 hours per match there 24/7
the match on Worlds are a week look, so EoTM suits your playstyle
dont stress yourself too much on WvW, its just a game bruh

Keviin Snow.5760:

after the LINK
will we have LAG ?
Will we Crash more Often ?
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT LIKE THIS EVERYDAY ?

will we have LAG ?
no

Will we Crash more Often ?
no

WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT LIKE THIS EVERYDAY ?
no

end of thread.

Pure Reaper Power Dubstep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lZnzcJNPP3c#t=179

whats the difference between a door and a dolyak?

a door takes time to kill
a dolyak takes seconds to kill

a door can call for help
a dolyak is dead before anyone can help

if there is no door, then there is no dolyak…
thats the story of a door and a dolyak

PS: no more exploits for hackers, i beg you

now there wont be anymore PvDoor
there will be PvDolyak lmfao

kitten the alpine,
the moment of truth comes…..

dogkat.4972:

but something solid to use in WvW and PvP.

Thanks

solid in WvW PvP
you must be a dueler and roamer then..
go thief or mesmer ftw

bump for Grim

why would you guys like it to reset?
so you wont play WvW?
go play WvW, earn Wxp then set the skills yourselves
if you dont want that then go back to PVE
/pfff

oh its a good news then,
i was always wondering why pips empower on siege while im playing eotm