Guild Wars 2

Dawdler.8521:

it would wreck havoc on the communities if they part ways after a long 3 months.

This suddenly feel… not so good.

https://youtu.be/rUGMWwWiKac

i hope they remove the scaling on power too, that way everyone who sits on the iron siege deals the same damage as the one with nomad’s and the nomad pips too who wont spread the love for siege during linking/merging
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad

everything must be equal right

Keviin Snow.5760:

today i was fighting an engineer with strong defend build
Elixir B 10 second retaliation , that is alot ,
other class only get 2 or 3 second
then he got his shield , and Gyro
10 SECOND not able to hit someone
on top of F4 , Toss Elixir B , might get you another 10 second of retaliation
everything you get get reflected back to the source
3 of my combo attack ended up killing myself lol
on top on him attacking as well

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer

PS: why does everyone destroys WvW even in forums
first there were server recruitment threads and some classes thread now too
sigh…

ill be straight forward to my definition of strength
-strength is to be able to capture or defend an objective with equal or lesser than the opposing team defending or capturing it.

then the skill
-skill is when a world can out maneuver an opposing team whether by deploying roamers to counter ppt and scouting enemy movements on the map or pure skill in zerg vs zerg mode, timing when to cast a skill or to hold in position, prediction on what the enemy zerg will do and react

then the coverage
do i have to explain what this is?
-this is called a tier
-this is called population
-this is called glicko 2.0

now back to topic about server merging
-if the coverage/population would be equal on all worlds
then the measurement of glicko 2.0 will now be based on strength and skill
and not the current which is purely coverage based and disregards strength and skills of players on a world

PS: and i hope they add points too from successful defense not just offense (correct me here if im wrong on this one)

FogLeg.9354:

Glicko is the system designed to match opponents with similar strenght. Randomly throwing every server into any match means most matches end up with one server totally dominating or being completely overrun. Not only would it mean there are not interesting matches but also there would not be any reason to win them.

But yes, I do agree with this – “only way to really stop stacking is to remove the incentive to stack”. I just do not think more randomness is good way to go forward.

from my PoV,
random matches will destroy ppt and tiers
and again lets be honest, glicko in wvw measures coverage not skill nor strength

Kamara.4187:

The funniest thing I ever seen was when one roamer with a great pair of nike’s used themselves as bait and turned a whole zerg around, which bought them just enough time to get reenforcement. “Bravo!”

uhmmm does that guy sings “Diamonds by Rihanna” while baiting?

Dawdler.8521:

Silverstone.4539:

Maybe this big “WvW rework” will be the silver bullet. I’m not sure.

I’ll take a break, maybe that will help.

yes for me the WvW overhaul is the final nail in the coffin
the deciding factor for me to retain gw2 as my main game or uninstall it for good

“all games must end….”
-some quote from Stonehearst Asylum

i envy TC for getting all those fights, not one but two
you should be grateful you have opponents to fight not some npcs m8

everyone has a purpose in life and so do roamers….
rip sia…
you’ll always be remembered as the best roamer there is

Ricky.4706:

Invulnerable, Evade, Block., Block, Block.

I was seeing that on people who weren’t in downed states, didn’t come up from downed states either, over and over …I’ve never seen anything like it before…is this a new feature ? and if so, what’s the build that causes this god mode ?

they were constantly going invulnerable. and I mean lots of people were going invulnerable. Not just one profession.

before seeing in not downed state take a look at downed state
https://youtu.be/jhbjG8lOKao?t=47

i hate PPT, i really do

no other pugs can ever shatter the spirit of the pugs of madness
https://youtu.be/G0Ds9DCnGNE

do they (anet) even know that such thing (GW2wvw.net) exists?

ok, for my suggestion
as a player, i hate to see long messages in game
dont get me wrong your idea is good but….
imagine you logged on then a message pops out about a survey that looks like a novel
then you see the players at pvp lobby or some map instance doing what they are doing or your guild chat tells you that they were raiding in eb at the same time, would you take part of the survey?
keep it short, keep it simple

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Norbe.7630:

i one thought of creating a thread here called wall of shame
so everyone can post vids there for their hacking sightings
….but hackers get violent reaction so i didnt created that thread lol

Many reports are false, either on purpose cos the reporting player is seeing too much red, or he has no clue what he just saw. Anet should ban confirmed hackers and also anyone who reports everyone left and right. The latter would add plenty of names to your wall of shame.

30 seconds to mars, invulnerability mode (still unsolved)
https://youtu.be/jhbjG8lOKao?t=44

JTGuevara.9018:

Wvw or pvp?

stick to pvp and delete this thread
eb is the pvp map
3 bls are the pve map where you can chain events like capping stuffs and gaining karma

dubstax.9102:

My suggestion would be if you want to return to World vs. World that you do so on a server such as Darkhaven (shameless promotion) or any T1-4 server.

yah dh is a good server too, they fight too like immortals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmNgz1uwnY8

i one thought of creating a thread here called wall of shame
so everyone can post vids there for their hacking sightings
….but hackers get violent reaction so i didnt created that thread lol

so basically this survey a in game link am i right?
whats the difference between this thread and this one
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Your-top-5-priorities-for-WvW-Overhaul/page/16#post6076374

personal question:
what is WvW for you? define WvW

whats this thread all about again?
sorry tldr

nc
post it here instead
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer

Chaba.5410:

Norbe.7630:

i was only saying in order to increase fight activity the capture points should be minimized

How does that work? If capture activity drives fight activity, we should be adding more capture points so that there are more opportunities for people to capture, not taking them away. /sarcasm

Norbe.7630:

i can plot you a graph showing how inversely proportional the capture and fights are if you can understand it

hope you understand what the graph means
in gw2 the maps are maze
in ro the capture point is the maze

https://youtu.be/H00xIsDzMeQ?t=2

some say server merge
others say server alliances
what i say is Worlds against every other World for a few objectives

Dawdler.8521:

The correct answer is proper map objective layout so that fights between objectives can be found, which also flow naturally into the objectives. EB has this layout. Alpine had this layout. Desert do not. Desert make up 3 out of 4 maps. WvW fail.

so you basically one of the protesters of bring back old BL type
the threads title was capture activity to fight activity
i was only saying in order to increase fight activity the capture points should be minimized
i can plot you a graph showing how inversely proportional the capture and fights are if you can understand it
you think the old BL can increase the fight activity with the current population on mid to low tiers?
epic fail

Keep it the way it is
no problem solved

Server alliances
EoTM style but with an option to where to go to

Server merge
another EoTM style but definitely delete some servers

Dynamic server capacity/ megaserver
if WvW is defined as World vs World, is this a GvG Galaxy vs Galaxy or MvM, wait M2M i love thier songs lol

PPT and PPK scaling based on population
we all want to be fair here dont we?
will this spawn a P2Win item for fair scoring?

Ahratan.1098:

Getting enough people to form a zerg
I used to enjoy roaming around in WvW during downtime, doing some gathering and grabbing small objectives. I could also fight 1v1 and feel I had a reasonable chance. It killed a bit of time while waiting for the zerg to start. And, because lots of people did it, it meant that when a commander tagged up, there were lots of people dotted around who would join him.

But in the HOT power creep, if you’re specced for it, its very easy to stunlock and nuke someone to death in about 2 seconds. So its super boring to leave your keep, because if you encounter someone there’s no feeling that you have any chance of winning in 1v1, because you either have an overpowered gank spec or you don’t. Also there’s less need to leave your keep, because the gatherables are inside.

So now you just go from keep to tower grabbing all the gatherables, trying hard to avoid the enemy like a coward, then you get bored and leave. Then a commander tags up and can’t find a group, because there’s noone around.

So the commander tags down. Then a new person joins the map, doesn’t see a commander to join, doesn’t have any reason to roam because there’s no gatherables, doesn’t want to roam because of power creep, so there’s nothing to do so he leaves. And that is why its hard to get anything started in WvW now – at least for me and my friends. There’s no reason or desire to stick around anymore.

thats a direct explanation to one of the major WvW problems

Lord Kuru.3685:

There’s always this conflict between PPT players and “fights” players, each calling the other names. But both are needed.

There’s a symbiosis, you need both types of players to have an active WvW. Without the “fights” players, WvW devolves into karma trains jumping to the most empty BL and without the PPT players calling out enemy positions, fights can’t be found.

thats why im telling on this thread that minimizing the number capture objectives fights can be found

and this?
here are the Capture to Fight correlation for different population levels.
Very High: 0.65 (5 servers)
High: 0.62 (14 servers)
Medium: 0.91 (32 servers)

for every 65 captures theres a 100 fights correlation?
lol

JCKinz.2305:

Her army’s broken, her lands pillaged and plundered at will by her enemies.
The New Dawn
Out of the ashes the Phoenix arises.
The time has come the signal fire is lit. The call for aid sent. Who will answer? Who will lead this land out of darkness and despair to rise again in the New Dawn?
Will it be some new band of adventurers or will the sons and daughters of IOJ return home and deliver her from the hands of her enemies?

my answer is……….
make your mom proud, fight to you last breath, like you once did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTMsJ7cF6Z4

Zackie.8923:

the crowd, the ensuing chaos, and the competitiveness

+1

Tyr.1965:

I haven’t played since before the expansion came out so I just logged in to see my home server, Blackgate, losing by a mile when the opposite used to be true. And we’re losing to Yak’s Bend? WTF LOL! Did I wake up in the Twilight Zone or what? Where’s Beastgate?!

i think there is a similar thread with more detail
http://www.gw2wvw.net/topic/jq-v-bg-v-yb-xxxx2016

just minimize the capture points like one or two on earch map,
that would be 2(capturepoint)x4(maps) = 8 (chances to have fight or PPT activity)

so that we will not make some charts like this

TorquedSoul.8097:

Here is what I am able to derive from this post.

1. You prefer Elo to Glicko
2. You prefer small group fights to Blob Fights.
3. Things that you don’t like must be related in some way.
4. So people who like blob fights must like Glicko since you don’t like either.

truth is…
1. I prefer KISS than Elo or Glicko.
2. I prefer Blob fights than dueling.
3. I always say the things i dont like, only mods deletes it.
4. People who dont like blob fights are PvP players not WvW players

TorquedSoul.8097:

please explain how you reach the conclusion about Elo and Glicko being preferred by different types of players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

The Glicko rating system and Glicko-2 rating system are methods for assessing a player’s strength in games of skill, such as chess and go. It was invented by Mark Glickman as an improvement of the Elo rating system, and initially intended for the primary use as a chess rating system. Glickman’s principal contribution to measurement is “ratings reliability”, called RD, for ratings deviation.

Both Glicko and Glicko-2 rating systems are under public domain and found implemented on game servers online (like Lichess, Free Internet Chess Server, Chess.com, Counter Strike: Global Offensive, Guild Wars 2).¹ The formulas used for the systems can be found on the Glicko website.

The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in competitor-versus-competitor games such as chess. It is named after its creator Arpad Elo, a Hungarian-born American physics professor.

The Elo system was originally invented as an improved chess rating system but is also used as a rating system for multiplayer competition in a number of video games,¹ association football, gridiron football, basketball,² Major League Baseball, competitive programming, Scrabble, and other games.

try to differentiate the games that uses those two ratings and see for yourself
PvP = WvW?
https://youtu.be/Q_JASZZ8xtk

PS: oh theres a thread to explain it to you further
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Porpousal-for-small-roaming

sarahlynn.6943:

4. Any advice regarding games that have similar systems to WvW?

is this system what you mean?
http://steamcommunity.com/app/570/discussions/0/458604254452226208/

quoted from that site:
“So, why does Valve not use Glicko after calibration and instead switches to Elo? Simple: maintain Glicko and you remove the motivation to play as a team. Implement Elo, and now the team which has become an Elo “entity” has to work as a SINGLE COHERENT entity in order to win. This, in theory, will motivate people to come together and play as a team."

PS: there you have it folks the ones that complains a lot about blobs are glicko type players (which is not wrong due to the fact that current WvW scoring is Glicko 2)

then may i reintroduce to you the https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Your-top-5-priorities-for-WvW-Overhaul/page/13#post6050692

on what you think the problem is.

or we can meet in http://www.gw2wvw.net/forum so that we can discuss the rules of engagement

which one?
my latter or former….
so my assumption is correct, if it is the latter then it is indeed an upper tier mentality rules of engamement
if its the former, no one can ever beat them on an open field
ive been on different tiers, i know whats on their head bruh

Ricky.4706:

what tier / server are you ?

Black Gate atm, my former was Gate of Madness
now farming gold to return to GoM
transfered here out of curiosity, too lazy make an alt account

Ricky.4706:

when in a match where 1 server is obviously larger than the 2 opponents combined –
the smaller servers become an alliance and the fight becomes 1v1

is this an upper tier mentality rules of engagement?
and its not new either…..

here to save you the trouble as RlyOsim said
http://www.gw2wvw.net/forum

PS: I sometimes forget that im on the official gw2 forum and post like im on that site thats why my posts here always gets deleted lol
say hi to the trolls there for me

Noia.9413:

What about implementing something somewhat similar to Heroes from the first game, but for WvW?

I can only guess when it comes to technical limitations, but if I am commanding late oceanic time, there’s 30 or so (example) Kaineng and literally 3 Borlis around to defend against that, it would be nice to have 27 additional ‘anonymous hero’ NPCs spawn and come to my tag. That way, the matchups would always be even. The server system wouldn’t have to be changed at all. It would eliminate nightcapping.

In the day when, say, Gate of Madness is crushing them, I’m sure they would also appreciate bots to fight the GoM zerg with.

The maps already count how many people are on them to assign the Outnumbered buff or calculate queues.

you mean NPCs like the ones in the PvP lobby with different classes?
how bout the ppk on the npcs, same as the human points?
the AI of that npc hero, will it just zombified the field?

lastly, you cannot defeat GoM in combat by summoning AIs, even if they are outnumbered, they will still challenge you to an openfield and all hell breaks loose
the only way to defeat them is the Offtime PPT, they lack manpower to do coverage

to see is to believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmNgz1uwnY8
https://youtu.be/WgF1b1H1lvE?t=576 (best FoV, feels like im playing SC2 with terrans vs protoss)

Chinchilla.1785:

And also from a new player themselves whose experience was bad initially:

Chinchilla.1785:

2. Learning To Play:

Join a guild, train with them, kill with them, die with them on fights
Ask them whatever you want to ask in mind

PS: there are some suggestions to use KISS instead of the Glicko about the scoring on WvW

for me i love reading KISS type posts instead of the wall of texts ones

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I still prefer Human above all else, though. Human is the beautiful race and therefore the best race. Excluding all copy-paste anime wannabe’s of course.

i like human race too
they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder

and this one i get random message that they like her face everytime i play her

i use Svaard’s on WvW
all hail Norns

Gaile Gray.6029:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Gaile – one thing you can say about WvW players is they are passionate about this game. It would be ashame to lose that passion.

Totally agree! WvW is a marvelous system, and we love that people love it and that they want to help us make it better.

Dusty Moon.4382:

Can you even give us any inklings about what is planned and when?

I don’t have that information at hand, and I’m sorry for that. However, I believe it’s real clear from the conversation last Friday that this is subject is important to us and we are going to be listening to what you have to say.

Stand The Wall.6987:

Gaile Gray.6029:

unconstructive, non-contributory comments.

lol im so guilty. i cant help myself sometimes, sorry.
you forgive me though, right?
hah, anyways, cheers gaile and i hope some of our comments get heard at least.
or mike could just put me in charge of the wvw team with no oversight ;D
alright alright.

All is forgiven. As we were saying just now, passion can result in impassioned speech. I know it — you know it — it’s ok. But, really, to keep on track we did a little clean-up, because it’s way better to read 30 or 50 constructive posts than have to weed through 80 or 100 with a 50% value rate. (Oh, btw: your post was just fine and I liked that you shared those ideas!)

so back to topic?
why dont you share your own idea here Gaile

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Your-top-5-priorities-for-WvW-Overhaul/first#post5986337

but pvprs duel on EB just like Achilles did on the movie Troy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq-uMIZGETs

then when the Blob train rekts them on their show they get mad bro…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlitGhpoKDA

Lord of Rings.5371:

Since Anet is working on server population balance, it might be useful to the developer to read some the old discussions we had here, so that they could to see the Pros and the Cons from the community’s point of view and maybe take some of the suggestions and try them out.

The Matched Entry system for WvW was an idea discussed a while back. This would bring a simple mechanism for balanced matches but players might be queued.

Another idea is to increase rewards for WvW to boost WvW population. This could bring more fights and fun and the concern is that new players dies too often and does not listen to commanders.

Maybe trying both ideas at the same time would lessen the concerns and sustain the benefits.

Maybe there are better ideas.

Maybe it is the communication.

Let the developers know and maybe they will read and consider.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/The-Matched-Entry-system-for-WvW/first#post5141717
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/What-s-going-on-with-WvW-rewards/first#post6009451

you should have at least give a summary on whats posted in there, to be honest its tldr
for me

what all i can say is separate the fight servers from the PPT servers,

fight oriented servers vs fight oriented servers, PPT oriented servers vs PPT oriented servers

guildabd.6529:

1. Don’t allow catapults built next to wall.
2. Reduce radius of meteor shower.
3. Reduce all CC skills with unlimited target limit to 5 target limit (Hunters Ward, Static Field, Slick Shoes, Unsteady Ground etc.)
4. Make Well of Corruption blockable.
5. Reduce minons incoming damage and conditions by 90% when not targeted.

What’s yours?

in here

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Your-top-5-priorities-for-WvW-Overhaul/first#post5986337

Akkeros.1675:

Where is the most fun in bronze?
Which server has the friendliest people that wanna win but just have fun too?

define “fun”?
you like killing red names or ticking your way out of victory?

joneirikb.7506:

PS if you want to zerg, Bronze is not for you. If you can’t do anything without a commander, it’s also going to be hard here “down under”. We still got EotM though, if the need is great.

totally agreed to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Ds9DCnGNE

apologies are thrown….
so back to topic?

Fivedawgs.4267:

Torafugu.1087:

Pakkazull.6894:

Torafugu.1087:

MMR decay rate is hidden. We can extrapolate the decay rate from the number of people who have multiple account on different streaks.

So you basically admit you can’t prove it. In fact, if the MMR had been reset/decayed completely at the start of season 1… we’d have had the exact same manure storm that we’re having now. Heck, it’d be even more random than day 1 of season 2. Which it obviously wasn’t.

Torafugu.1087:

The snowball is real, there is nothing to discuss here.

Good thing we aren’t discussing the “snowball” in this thread then.

So everything I can’t prove is false, in fact I can’t prove you exist.
The theory of MMR snowball explains what we observe better than any alternative explanation. It consistent with everything, the long win/loss streaks, players constantly being matched against the same people, two accounts of the same player with drastically different streaks, masses of solo players leaving the season.

Therefore your sophistry on I can’t prove the MMR decay is pointless.
you know what, keep telling yourself you earned that win streak, and everyone’s stuck because that’s where they belong. What you think is your problem, not mine, or a problem for the countless people stuck in the snowball hell.

This was thr last nail in the coffin. Maybe he was a bot after all, since we can’t prove he exist. Please bots!!! Stay away from the forums!!!!

Thanks

Neil in the coffin solo mode version (now upgraded with different classes too)

Tarhana.3561:

SO I end up alt+f4 in the games because I lost 10 times ( yes you heard that right) in a row on when my team scores 400s , and sometime I even get on the top 2 or 3 on the score but I CAN NOT GET OUT OF THE LOSING STREAK
whats the point of this ranked ? Who designed this and HOW CAN II can jump tiers cause 36 games I am on the same tier, now if that is not bull(kitten) i dont know what is, give us a bonus if we get on the loser team like why

I see millions of other posts complaining about the same thing but what is there NOT to ?

Arenanet your spvp system is bad and you should do smthng about this , idk how you fix it but customer is always right and your entire community tells you to fix it so

care to share ur winrate on the ranked and unranked before we proceed?