Guild Wars 2

Jeknar.6184:

Opc.4718:

losieight.4807:

Ar so bad, 15+ wiped by 4 in open field..

ET/GoM so bad, 9000+ wiped by me in open field..

See I can do it too, and do it better c:

OVER NINE THOUSANDS?! This can’t be… Your kill count must be broken.

After a while, the enemies just become more dots, and MOAR DOTS. Your perception then twists and you reach a peculiar zen like state, floating through the crowd of red to something that is almost, but not quite, like slow motion. Individual targets cease to matter, and everything blurs together into a single cohesive enemy; the blob. Sophisticated strategizing ceases to function, and all brain activity is narrowed down to pure reflex and muscle memory. Each moment you continue to survive is parsed by your subconscious into moments of stunning clarity. You stay alive by the power of your sheer will.

tl;dr fighting zergs at 1fps and winning because #1 spam is OP. Also, cleric guardians outheal everything.

losieight.4807:

Ar so bad, 15+ wiped by 4 in open field..

ET/GoM so bad, 9000+ wiped by me in open field..

See I can do it too, and do it better c:

doublebb.6574:

As for gvg’s, I obviously don’t speak for my guild but I find gvg’s to be boring, meta-build zerg fests. The only strategy involved is in dishing out buffs, dropping AoEs, and making sure you have high enough armor to live longer than 3 seconds. Then you throw yourselves at each other until one side is dead. Small group duels and 1v1’s are more intense and strategic than that and are honestly more satisfying to win. So thanks but no thanks.

Na-uh. You forgot the water blast finisher heals. It’s not a GvG if you don’t see those. There’s also your classic mesmer veil-bot shenanigans and necro well-bot-mancer ground spam.

As I see it, the strategy in GvG is all about large scale group manoeuvring and coordination, and seeing who can outflank who to pin down the low-armour-high-damage peripheral players. There’s a certain kind of satisfaction from that you just can’t get with small scale fight. This kind of fighting is most prevalent in a wvw setting anyway, where most fights you’re going to find are all large scale zergs. With 10v10s, you preserve some of the intimacy of small fights and your individual contribution matters a lot more, while you get to enjoy the kind of large scale strategies involved with a big fight.

What you’re attempting to compare is like the difference between winning a single fight as opposed to winning the entire battle.

If you’re playing with an organised group, necro and eles are always in high demand for their AoE damage and other support skills.

AR and ET are actually in an intense matchup that means something in terms of PPT and we’re doing our share and contributing to it. If you want meaningful duels, pick on someone your own size, otherwise expect the BL to be locked down by whatever means possible

Other than that, most people in the guild are accustomed to fighting zergs in ~10-15 sized groups, which is what we live for. Can’t say the same for small man roaming, although the occasional legit PvPer comes out late night to play.

Anyway our matchups with ET feel like an entirely different game mode – for the first time I can remember, PPT means something and we’re playing wvw to ‘win’ it. This matchup is actually important to us since it means the difference between coming 6th or 9th (last), and climbing up the ladder will be a real server morale booster. We will need it if AR wants to see continued growth and interest in our server wvw. And so therefore for the first time, I actually have a vested interest in contributing to the server rather than seeking fun fights wherever I can and going meh at the 100k point loss at the end of the week.

Kaos.9162:

Lorelei.3918:

So all you learn to play types…

you’re telling us that 450 stat points simply don’t matter?

Ok cool, put your money where your mouth is. Take off your exotic gear and put on a set of rare gear (to roughly a 450 stat loss) and go out and do some solo roaming. Let me know how it goes for you.

A poor comparison, as you’re doing less damage with weapons, taking more from enemy damage from the reduced damage and armor on your gear, on top of the stat boosts. The real comparison is going out with no stacks and fighting someone that has both AF and GL, which is certainly possible. I’ve fought people with both stacks who were using legendary weapons while I had none of those and won. Difference in builds and skill trumps the stat bonus from the buffs.

I have so many alts I actively play on that many of them aren’t fully geared properly. That means running with green amulets and incomplete runes/sigils. Don’t even get me started on ascended stuff. I go roaming indiscriminatingly with them, and bad players still die and I still die to good players. The extra edge the extra stats give me really wouldn’t have made any difference to any of the duels I normally have, none of them were so close that an extra 1k worth of damage or 1k healtth would’ve decided the battle. That’s the kind of stats bonus you’re talking about.

The only thing that might be vaguely OP is applied fortitude on a guardian, the 2.5k extra health is a fairly significant % of overall health, and you DO have the means to constantly reheal back to full health in the middle of a fight. In addition, the padding is extra protection against condition damage, which is usually what eats through a guardian eventually.

Kaos.9162:

Lorelei.3918:

So all you learn to play types…

you’re telling us that 450 stat points simply don’t matter?

Ok cool, put your money where your mouth is. Take off your exotic gear and put on a set of rare gear (to roughly a 450 stat loss) and go out and do some solo roaming. Let me know how it goes for you.

A poor comparison, as you’re doing less damage with weapons, taking more from enemy damage from the reduced damage and armor on your gear, on top of the stat boosts. The real comparison is going out with no stacks and fighting someone that has both AF and GL, which is certainly possible. I’ve fought people with both stacks who were using legendary weapons while I had none of those and won. Difference in builds and skill trumps the stat bonus from the buffs.

I have so many alts I actively play on that many of them aren’t fully geared properly. That means running with green amulets and incomplete runes/sigils. Don’t even get me started on ascended stuff. I go roaming indiscriminatingly with them, and bad players still die and I still die to good players. The extra edge the extra stats give me really wouldn’t have made any difference to any of the duels I normally have, none of them were so close that an extra 1k worth of damage or 1k healtth would’ve decided the battle. That’s the kind of stats bonus you’re talking about.

The only thing that might be vaguely OP is applied fortitude on a guardian, the 2.5k extra health is a fairly significant % of overall health, and you DO have the means to constantly reheal back to full health in the middle of a fight. In addition, the padding is extra protection against condition damage, which is usually what eats through a guardian eventually.

Crispy underleved wannabes
/laugh /laugh /laugh /laugh /laugh /laugh
I’m classy

No one has addressed the point that it’s not the warrior ccs (hammer stuns) that are a problem, it’s the guardian wards that require stability to get out off, AND WHICH WONT BE AFFECTED AT ALL BY ANY CC NERFS, that are an issue in the blob bomb spams.

Immob + Guard ward spam will lock down an entire zerg since they don’t have an AOE cap, and if no stability is popped off during that time, expect heavy AOE damage to be raining down on the area and killing everyone caught in it. That’s how most organised guild groups operate.

Sororita.3465:

Guardians,warriors and a few eles, every guild group ever. >.>

You forgot the necros and maybe 1 mesmer if someone bothers to get on it.

Ynot.8397:

The forum warriors on here are the worst I have ever seen. We need to see at least 5 more insults per post and 3 gifs explaining why everyone is wrong. Shame on you all.

I’d make an attempt but there’s no one to meaningfully trash talk against

Moon.6371:

@ Helly:

Dude, you disqualified yourself the moment you suggested you “only” need 5 guardians out of a 15 man group as a counter. Wow, … just wow. This is so crazy, I`m almost speechless. A wild guess, the rest of your 15 consists of warriors and necros?

Eight classes ingame, 1/3rd of your group consists of one class just to be able to not be cc´d endlessly? And you think that´s good? That`s the definition of class stacking and hence, totally screwed balance.

I`m laughing so hard right now about your desperate attempt to sound knowledgable, when in fact, you´re one of the deluded abusers not willing to let the easymode go away.

In a balanced game you would see equally successful 15 man groups consisting of engis, thiefs and rangers. Instead every wannabe gvg guild is relying on your formula of 50%-80% guards & warriors and feels like they reinvented the wheel.

Pathetic.

The balance is between heavy classes and light peripheral classes. So yes, you want to aim for half half. Unfortunately, the medium classes just don’t bring much to the table that can’t be accomplished better by another class. Nerfing cc won’t change this situation and will in fact, only make running heavy tanky classes even more viable and even harder to kill.

Nerfing cc also wont make ANY difference to the guardian ward interrupts, which is what screws up people when they get trapped in an AoE bomb. You need stability to escape out of the wards, and the wards don’t stun you or even give you conditions, they simply prevent you from running past them. Hammer warrior stuns are easy to get out of – any stun breaker will break it and you don’t even need stability.

So no, nerfing cc is not the solution to the cc train, and there is in fact, no easy solution to fix this problem without majorly breaking some part of the game.

That really drawn out fight between AR and FC over ET’s keep in EB was hilarious. Good luck to everyone for the last few days of this matchup, it’s gonna be close between AR and ET :o

How many fights did any of you actually have where both of you were of “similar skill”? These are the extremely close fights when you both end up nearly dead at the end before one of you pulls off a tricky move to get the one-up, or the other guy screws up and misses a critical dodge. I roam quite a fair bit and I can tell you that’s only happened a handful of times out of the thousands of encounters. These are the only fights where the stacks would’ve had a clear difference on the outcome in a 1v1. If you’ve lost to one of these fights because the other guy had stacks and you didn’t, well bad luck, just enjoy the fight and move on. Otherwise, don’t blame your own failure on the fact the other opponent just had better stats – you wouldn’t have won anyway and you won’t ever learn anything if you just QQ about it.

If you’re looking for clear fair fights, seriously just go play tPvP. There’s a fairly good chance the guy you just pwn’d in a “fair fight” in wvw wasn’t geared fully, and how do you think he’ll feel about you one-upping him simply because you had better gear?

The only time those stats are going to make a difference is when you’re both close to downing each other in a fight. Like so close it’s one-two hits away. Just ignore all the fancy maths stuff, they blind you to the true situation – the extra damage points accounts for a minuscule increase in your damage output, and the extra health gives you 2.5k more padding.

To put the damage into perspective, it’s very roughly equal to about an extra 100 damage every 2.5k hit without crits – if you’re lucky.

If you were in a duel and didn’t manage to get your opponent anywhere close to 2.5k health before you died, you wouldn’t have killed him anyway.

These are tiny margins, and they are so rarely a matter of life and death in a 1v1. If a duel was one sided when they started off with the stacks, it will still be as one sided without them.

The general consensus among any dedicated wvwer is that toxics in WvW is a bad bad bad idea. If you don’t believe me, go to any map with players in it and ask that in map chat.

The darn mobs spawn all over the place, not just in the far corners as one might expect. An example is the EB ogres/dredge tunnels, which act as very important choke points when you want to make a push/defend against a push against another server’s corner of EB. They get in the way, do annoying attacks, and are generally a pain in the a**hole. I literally have not seen any one bother to do the event where you destroy the plant thing with siege.

Jeknar.6184:

titanlectro.5029:

SuicideByTaco.5408:

If GoM can push itself to 2nd in our weeks matchup and FC pushing itself to 1st or 2nd the next week then the rankings would probably maybe even look like this at the end of the season

1st : Anvil Rock
2nd: Darkhaven
3rd: Gates Of Madness or Ferguson’s Crossing

Best of luck to GoM, DH and FC ur still in the race keep it up!!! ^^ Here’s a picture to rally ur troops!! ; p

^^ Umm…

AR > HoD… They just took easy on everyone because they didn’t wanted to move to silver league.

Go ask Brolis, if Anvil doesn’t Rock…

;D

Why do people play video games? To immerse themselves in the experience and have fun.

The ‘rewards’ you get are inherently useless pixels, worth nothing once you leave the game. Don’t fall into the trap of playing for the rewards, that’s not having fun and in the end, you’ll leave with a hollow experience and wondering why you even bothered in the first place.

Why do I say playing for the rewards is NOT fun? It’s the same reason why there are gambling addicts. They compulsively gamble, not because they’re having fun, but because they’re addicted to the promise of a reward. In the end the reward will be worthless compared to the time and effort wasted by the gambler.

Any dedicated wvwer will know that the rewards in wvw are pathetic, but the true reward is the experience you’ll have playing together as a community and revelling each time you smash your enemies, or fight your way to the top outnumbered. This is the true end game content, so don’t tarnish the experience by being blinded by the promise of the reward at the end. The leagues, in this aspect, was an incredibly bad idea, and did more to damage the community than it did to fix it.

The player kill one is the only reasonably attainable achievement, and there’s a couple of people who have got it by now. I’m not sure any of the other achievements have been done by anyone.

MiLkZz.4789:

3) Population cap is the same for every server, so no if you have a queue you should have equal numbers.

Anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise, and that is what’s most troubling.

What cornchips said was what instantly raised my suspicion – no walls down, no rams at gates. But I guess it’s entirely possible the guards had destroyed the rams by the time I checked, in which case I’m just ranting because I’m mad.

You know, I always thought ET were classy opponents, but I guess I need to revise my opinion a bit. Just now, AR lost a fully upgraded bay, because of ET exploiters.

The keep had no holes in the walls since being fortified, and unless you had a mesmer inside hiding for a day, there was no legit way to get in. We had defenders all across the outer wall up to the minute it got flipped.

I hope the action was just from a couple of bad apples, and does not reflect on the attitude of the entire server. Resorting to exploits to try and win is just low and shows disgusting sportsmanship.

I might be entirely mistaken of course, and you were legitimately ninja, in which case feel free to correct me and explain how you managed to flip t3 bay without taking down any of the outer walls.

aeroh.8930:

style.6173:

@OP. What? You are upset that a large group kills you. You really think you’d survive as solo against a large group even if they had no boons? Gameplay tip: Do not enjoy when it is 20 against 1.

When did I say I was solo?

I said no matter where I go, or what I do, sooner or later I end up getting steamrolled by a group with massive boons. I don’t roam solo 100% of the time in WvW. In fact, most of the time I’m in a group of 5-50+ people. But it’s just with random people usually, not a guild, so there isn’t always the coordinated boon generation meta going on. Sometimes there is. I’ll follow a guild blob, get all booned up myself, and steamroll other players. That will last for a while, but then commander/guild will log out leaving a total pug and we’ll roam around, try to take objectives, fight etc. But sooner or later, we’ll meet a boon stacking wrecking ball enemy force. At that point, we might have equal numbers, or even more people than them, but with the boons they’re immortal and we lose. It just all comes down to boons. And there’s no counter to boons but boons. That is my point. I’m not crying about getting 20 vs 1.

Well stacked boons is a sign of an organised group, and it sounds like you’re getting wrecked by one of those. However, it’s not the boons that are wrecking you, it’s the fact that they are ORGANISED. An organised group will be running heavy bunker front-line classes (warrs and guardians) which will absorb all your ccs and damage with stability, protection and retal, and if flanked properly, split you up where you will be weaker. The peripheral players (ele, mes, necro) drops DPS and condis on top of you while you’re disoriented and cc’d, and then water field blast everyone back to full health.

What you’re trying to counter here isn’t the boons specifically, you’re trying to counter the organised group meta. You can do that with your own organised group, in which case it just becomes a game of who can manoeuvre better and take out the other group’s peripheral players first, while managing your own restacks and water heals. The idea is to NOT try and head butt your way through the heavy bunkers who WILL have a ton of boons and ccs.

To destroy those bunkers though, it’s a matter of kiting, and then “bombing” them at an appropriate moment with as many boon rips and condis as possible, and then immediately chucking a static field or some other form of aoe cc which will disable the majority of them, prevent a heal up, and allow a good chunk of raw DPS to get through.

tl;dr to counter an organised group, you actually need to be organised as well. They’re designed to wreck zergs who don’t know how to position themselves.

Of all the places I expected to find a philosophical discussion on morality and loyalty.

QL, WC, DG, Veloka, and Briar are all strategically easy and fun to defend ;D

I think I can see a trend here. The people who think leagues are great are the people who are winning, and the people who think leagues are bad are the people who are losing. Except for the few who think leagues are now boring because they can faceroll over any servers for most of the matchups.

The queue is some kind of pseudo random zone based lottery system that defies any kind of explanation.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Judge those that make the comments, not the whole community. That is the point I am making. And yes, I am the one asking if he was mad and still mad. But only because he made the magnanimous statement grouping every person on SF into the same descriptive categories he was complaining about.

Same is true here. I like your post, it is well constructed and makes a valid point without trying to disparage others, direct or indirect. I only go after those that are gong after me or my server with no valid reason. He may have had a valid response to the one or two posters who said something before he did, but to go after all of SF for those forum warriors really just invalidates his rant.

I DID specifically say, “SF [forum] posters”, which is far from “everyone from SF”. I was deliberately attacking the forum warriors, you didn’t have to feel the need to include yourself in that category The mods went and made a mess of my posts afterwards anyway :/

On an unrelated note, Kain and AR should totally merge, we’d be the most OP server after that. We both have strong coverage right when the other server doesn’t.

bubO.3548:

So many golems just died now at our keep. Nice try SF rofl.

Thanks for the free SMC! Not that it’ll last long though.

Lol that was us at AR. We built a ton of golems to reset SF’s t3 keep and SM, then thought why the heck not, lets also reset Kain. But then you guys were prepared for that and that didn’t quite go according to plan xD

That and the subsequent fight at SM was fun. I think we’ll get along splendidly c:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Opc.4718:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

xok.2915:

7+ hours on queue @ WvWvW ! unacceptable !!!!

The refusal of zerglings to transfer is what exaccerbates the problem with the current system.

Agreed. So, they either deal with it or transfer. Anet isn’t going to give people priority access. They are not gonna up the map limit. They are giving an overflow map at the beginning of the year. So, wait, or transfer.

That capitulation map is a mistake that validates hanging around on a “winningest” server. Why be on any of the others?

It could also hurt server scores as well, if people prefer to fight in it over the main BL. Being able to enter it, when no map is queued, is a mistake as well.

I assume they have their reasons for this stuff.

I like it, sometimes I just want to go around and kill people rather than PvD PvD PvD all the kitten time you know.

That said, if you don’t like the queues, come to a low tier server Like AR for example, where queues are just a myth.

I remember when we (SBI) used to face AR. It is a shame that people left and you guys dropped. I liked fighting you guys.

HA, how long ago was that Got to be over 20 weeks or something.

ptitminou.6489:

I dont care what you do, but maybe someone else wants to get involved with a server that wont lose all the work they do in 1 hour after they log, just like we do when we get done at night. We wake up fully expecting 100 points tops, anything past that is a huge bonus. We’ve got groups that are willing to coach them if they move over, its their choice to make. Stay on Kaineng if a server cluster is the most important thing in your life right now, I don’t care.

Ding! Obnoxious and arrogant without actually addressing any of the points made by the original poster.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

See above post for why this is “not” mad.

You sure like to spend a lot of effort trying to discredit someone’s post because their imaginary emotional response somehow invalidates his points.

ptitminou.6489:

So that’s all you have left, thinking yourself a “real man” because there is absolutely nothing else for you to put forward that you are resorting to attempting to attack one’s sexuality in order to incite an emotional response for them to join your side? I’ll let you in on a secret about SF…. I have yet to come across a 13yo. Past that age, your cheap tricks don’t work.

And yet you yourself resort to ad hominem attacks to discredit my points. Don’t be a hypocrite. If you want to take the moral high ground, don’t resort to the same dirty tricks. I’m allowed these dirty tricks because we’ve already established I’m obnoxious, but that’s just me proving a point sarcastically.

Point? What point is this? I hear you say:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

So, let me get this straight. You come on here and talk smack FIRST because we come across as arrogant? You posted before we did bub. Not sure how or what sense you were trying to make but don’t be lame.

My remark is mainly directed at Wolfhounds.4659. It’s subtle, but the condescending tone is there. Also, ptitminou.6489’s remark, as the guy below points out. Of course Janx is blowing things out of proportion, but he has a valid point and your equally obnoxious replies to him deserves a reply in kind too.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

Andrew Clear.1750:

Svarty.8019:

xok.2915:

7+ hours on queue @ WvWvW ! unacceptable !!!!

The refusal of zerglings to transfer is what exaccerbates the problem with the current system.

Agreed. So, they either deal with it or transfer. Anet isn’t going to give people priority access. They are not gonna up the map limit. They are giving an overflow map at the beginning of the year. So, wait, or transfer.

That capitulation map is a mistake that validates hanging around on a “winningest” server. Why be on any of the others?

It could also hurt server scores as well, if people prefer to fight in it over the main BL. Being able to enter it, when no map is queued, is a mistake as well.

I assume they have their reasons for this stuff.

I like it, sometimes I just want to go around and kill people rather than PvD PvD PvD all the kitten time you know.

That said, if you don’t like the queues, come to a low tier server Like AR for example, where queues are just a myth.

Wow all these SF people trash talking like they’re the best thing since sliced bread. Umm, congratulations for outplaying AR/Kain with your outstanding display of overwhelming numbers? It’s a winning tactic last I heard. Please tell us how pro all of you are PvDing everything with no resistance.

Yes I’m being deliberately obnoxious and arrogant because that’s exactly how you come across as. Yes YOU, you obnoxious and arrogant SF posters. I would be very mad, but I find it endearing.

Now it’s going to be a boring week ahead, if you are in Sorrow’s Furnace or Kaineng and play at any time, feel free to xfer over to AR, we’ll show you how to play. Like real men.

Uhh just putting it out there but I’m on anvil rock and the lag is pretty horrible here too. It’s definitely something wrong with the servers.

As for the queues though, haven’t seen one in over 20 weeks

The original PvP reward chests were pretty useless anyway, I’ve been dumping all of them out because they never contained anything worthwhile.

It bugged for me too but the keys weren’t consumed, so I returned the next day and it worked fine after that.

You need both halves to get the achievement.

Transfer down to a low tier server, problem solved. I’ve never seen a queue in 20 something weeks and I’m still having fun down here. It’s not ANET’s fault if people refuse to take the initiative and solve the population issue themselves, instead of just craving for the easy wins.

Transfer to a low tier server, problem solved. I’ve never seen a queue in 20 something weeks and it’s still fun down here.

And I come to the sudden realisation that most of the WvW achievements are in fact PvE nonsense in disguise. JPs? PvGuards? PvDoor? Grind grind ugh.

The only worthy achievement was the the player kills one and that was all completed within a couple of hours.

What did you honestly expect to happen from everyone stacking T1 servers for easy wins? There’s always a catch.

PvP ranks are a joke, and so are WXP ranks. They are only very rough benchmarks for experience, but WXP isn’t even account bound. PvP has a ranked leaderboard based on tournament wins at least, and this rank counts for more.

Just don’t put in pvp gear, I like being able to mix and match trinkets and eat food.

You forget, AC does NOT need LOS. The AC can hit anywhere you can point your cursor at as long as it is in range. The scenario you describe sounds entirely possible without the use of hacks, and frequently people build ACs behind structures and corners to shoot AROUND it as long as their normal camera can be panned to see it. The issue is using zoom hacks to zoom further back and get camera angles that are not normally possible.

And stop using the term “eyefinity” if you don’t know what it actually is, its got nothing to do with a real zoom hack.

This is intense, I’m refreshing the millenium page every few hours to see the gap between NSP and Kaineng ratings inch ever closer together.

Neither windowed mode nor eyefinity are exploits. There are legitimate uses for them, which is why the game itself supports these things. There’s really no programmable criteria to tell if they are being used in a exploitative manner.

Colt.9051:

So… what’s up with most of the ppl I come across using meta builds… it’s disgusting =/ Please, I like fighting more original builds

Meta builds are unfortunately a meta only because they work so well it pigeons everyone into using them if they want to stay competitive

As soon as any “unique” build comes out that actually works well, it gets copied until it becomes the new meta.

On an unrelated note, as if you would play any race other than asura once you go asura! Charr characters are just so…unsubtly huge.

Why not replace one of the wells with well of darkness, which allows you to both blind AND chill enemies since you’re already traited for it? Wouldn’t that be better in utility compared to say, well of suffering?

I’m just gonna chime in here randomly and say I’m jelly of your matchup
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