Guild Wars 2

Apologies, I haven’t been giving this thread my caring attention recently. So I leave you with the video Gab requested of us doing the wipes.

The quality isn’t that great, but it’s about 8 guys plus 2 ACs up against those waves of red. You can tell some of them are relatively coordinated, not just pugs. “Oh you’re using siege, that’s a cheap move and demonstrates nothing about your playing skill”. What’s stopping you from building counter siege, say a treb from SM, and destroying our ACs?

This is a demonstration of 30 minutes of competence (cut down to 12), as opposed to say, a chance 3v2 encounter where some of the guys may not even be properly geared and going up against gimmicky duelling builds. Yes yes I know, any 10 guys on voice comm could do the same, but please do take videos so I can admire them, because I really haven’t personally seen this done by either FC or DR. I’m sure it’s happened, just never been on the receiving end.

I’ll be sure to take screenshots next time I go roaming and show you the other side of the coin.

Gotem, you did read the part where I said…“a few people are not representative of the whole” right? Otherwise I’ll assume all you fellow guildies from SKIL are dishonourable duellists, /bowing one moment then going around backstabbing spectators when they become preoccupied with something else. As was the case today with one of your thieves. So I ended up 1v1ing out of revenge for the dishonourable kill, and got the upper hand before FC ran in and ruined the fun.

Obviously that was an isolated incident sparked by a misunderstanding, but a less understanding soul would be making lions out of the kittens and claiming all of SKIL are bads who can’t win without resorting to dirty tactics. That kind of generalisation isn’t fun when you’re on the receiving end right?

“You couldn’t even win this fight where you had 3 and we had 2 a situation according to what you post should have been a cake walk you had 33% more players!”

I’ll reserve judgement until I am part of the group you miraculously wiped. Also note, small man engagements are a whole different beast to zerg busting and medium group vs group fights, and I did emphasise that we aren’t top notch duellists or 3 man pew pew teams. If I was deliberately roaming with a small man team, I’d be taking the rangers and thieves, which will easily squish the team builds TFH is running when we wvw in an equal fight or even outnumbered. That’s an entirely different story and bears no relevance on the original point.

It should also occur to you that since we’re running as a team, it shouldn’t be too surprising when the rest of the team runs over you after you picked off the scouts or stragglers. That’s kind of their job.

I’m glad you find my responses so hipster, but I’m rather insulted you think it takes me that long to type it up. I have to write 1.5k word essays in 40 minutes for upcoming academic exams, so I like to think that I’m picking up my game for that by practising the necessary skills here.

Inebriation does not lend itself to such genius output of words.
Also, my characters are all asura, so I have an excuse to sound arrogant. I’m “roleplaying”.

Just to chime in here again. Because it was the first post that caused all this trouble, perhaps I’ll rewrite it in a more palatable form to soothe over the delicate sensibilities of our opponents.

Despite the lugubrious matchup of this week, dismal right from the start, the server of Anvil Rock prevails in the face of overwhelming odds. Such courage could not be captured better than the moment when fellow guildmates of The Fluttering Horde stood strong together in the defence of Durios Glutch, just like the Spartan soldiers of old. With balls of purest steel, The Fluttering Horde refused to falter at the sight of the dreaded red blob, immense in its radiating wrath, tremendous with its mindless raving, irrevocable in its approach. The terrible sight greeted our brave heros, who with righteous fury and judicious use of the divine power granted to them by the anvil of the war gods, proceeded to meet the incoming tide – “For Great Justice!”. The unstoppable force meets the immovable object; time stops, worlds collapse. The fabric of the time-space continuum itself implodes in a phenomenon known as the “tunnel vision”. Reality reasserts itself an instant later, to find our favoured warriors very much alive despite being heavily bruised, the dead bodies of the Enemy strewn around like marionettes with their strings cut. They had survived, in spite of the sheer numbers of the opposing force, but the victory was hollow for they knew it was just the start. The battle was won, but the war was far from decided. The Master of the puppets had not been defeated, merely forced to affect a retreat. He will be back, bringing with him even greater numbers to feed the frenzy of the Zerg. But for now, the news of this battle shall marshal the forces, boost the morale of the too long suppressed people of Anvil Rock. We will rise again, rise again strong and smite our foes from their smug positions above us!

So if you will excuse the uncouth tongues of my fellow soldiers, who lay weary from battle and remain untrained in the refined arts of the Bard. They’re too tired and irritated to be polite.

Solstice.1097:

no, you said it’s going to get boring wiping people for long periods of time and sounded like a kitten elitist who actually isn’t good enough to call himself that.

next time take more care in wording your post so you don’t have to spend 4 paragraphs defending it.

Read the WHOLE thread and who is posting what before commenting. I didn’t make that comment, so I’m spending the time here to defend it on behalf of the poster. I neither agree nor disagree with the sentiment of the poster, but its a fellow guildie so I feel obliged to do so. I am logically explaining the rationale behind the heated post in a milder manner, so the least I can expect is a reply in kind rather than the continuation of the pointless flaming.

Oozo.7856:

^ Here is where the first conclusion came from. Arrogant crap, IMO. Insulting other servers is one thing, but insulting your own? Only reason I’m here… kind of kitten ed me off for some reason.

I’ll repeat for the 4th time, “a few people are not representative of the whole”. However, I do believe the comment was directed at a specific guild in AR we’ve had problems with in the past few months (and it’s not us only). You’ve just seen first hand how arrogance comes across to other people, and that’s exactly what our past experience is with the said guild. I’m personally frustrated with them for splitting up the server like this and there’s some old bitterness in the argument, but that’s an internal issue that shouldn’t have been brought up in hindsight, and an outsider obviously wouldn’t have understood the reference.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Excellent post! TFH reminds me of Mend from HoD. Their only way of getting recognition was to post in the thread too about how they supposedly wiped a million DR zerglings for hours. TFH being from AR just makes the whole thing laughable, because we all know how good they are at counting.

etc.

We actually have video recordings of the wipes, with clear numbers displayed on both sides. But of course, no one is ever going to be impressed by them because “any 10 guys with voice comm can do the same”. So moot point right from the start.

Also like I said earlier, the reason why the first brag post came about was because
1) People get bored and bring the battlefield with them to the forums. Happens all the time.
2) There WAS a lot of wiping. Like, a lot. It was completely unexpected for a t8 matchup and a few people felt the need to point out the irregularity. I’m sorry if it offended any one, but isn’t this what the wvw matchup thread is for?
3) Morale booster.
4) Self esteem booster.
Anet unfortunately don’t sell these boosters yet in the TP shop, so it’s up to the community to craft their own and spread the joy.

gotem.5284:

Considering your guild’s name has never been mentioned in any team/map chat or on these forums until you had to make a self brag post you guys must be doing a kittenty job at wiping people.

The only guild that has got mentions in map/team chat over the last few weeks has been Yarr and Basic(ET guild).

So in short stop trying to talk like a kitten and focus on getting better at this game.

Your people were all too busy rage quitting to sing our praises. I mean, lets be honest here, when you get unexpectedly wiped you’re not about to think “Wow good play from these guys.” Your first response will be “$%^&*(” followed by “that was a fluke”, and finally “These guys need to outnumber us 2v1 to wipe us, they suck”.

Also, my posts are brilliant literary masterpieces of prose, and I don’t appreciate it being compared to the output of a feline sitting on the keyboard. I’m being very logical, my key arguments make sense, and yet no one’s really added anything new or tried to counter it. I’m repeating myself over and over again, and there’s only so any permutations before I have to start writing with a thesaurus. Rest assured I’ll get on tonight and “focus on getting better at this game.” By wiping more of you guys

In conclusion, Corn is right. Lets move on, there’s noting much to add now.

gotem.5284:

I like how this TFH guild boasts about killing exp train pugs but the second a guild reminds them how they get stomped GvG they try to be humble. You guys should go over Public Relations 101 because if you were trying to get recognition of being a good guild it failed horribly.

We get recognition when we wipe you. I don’t particularly care about coming across as nice, although I do try my best to keep the flaming down if the situation doesn’t warrant it.

Anyway, read the whole thread when you make a reply, or at least make an attempt to address the points I made rather than just grabbing onto one and discounting all the others. Our opponents must be entirely made of “exp train pugs” because that’s all we seem to be running into these days whenever we wipe something. It’s a terrible excuse. I could of course, name names, point fingers, but we don’t want things getting personal in here. In any case, I know that a few people are not representative of the whole, so I wont make any judgements.

There’s 4 different people from TFH posting here, all about something subtly different, so naturally, there’s going to be different tones and arguments that gets carried across. I’m making a point in acknowledging that we aren’t the best guild around, because that’s what people are trying to accuse us of saying, because ONE person posted something ONCE about repeatedly wiping a large number of people in one day. Might I mention “a few people are not representative of the whole” again?

Also, there’s no need to be so defensive about the chest thumpings going on here. It’s not like AR is winning by a 30k lead and chest thumping about spawn camping noobs. We’re chest thumping about over coming extreme odds as a last place server and managing to push ahead of our opponents despite being so severely outnumbered, and it’s good for the morale. Every post in a wvw matchup thread is a chest thumped disguised in varying degrees of political correctness, so you’re being a hypocrite if you want to flame about it.

That said, I’m aware that certain posts in here are unwarranted and more overt than they should be, thus starting this whole argument, so I’ll repeat one more time “a few people are not representative of the whole”.

Oozo.7856:

And, for those DR defending TFH note that TFH insulted their own server. There are better players on AR than them.

No idea how you came to that conclusion.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Said about every server ever. TFH is just a mediocre guild who runs the same meta European servers ran half a year ago and think they are the next best thing to sliced bread, but then when you go up against your members 1v1 it’s obvious what kind of players it breeds. Just because you are a zergling guild who turns to slightly more sophisticated methods of zerging, doesn’t mean you’re no longer a zergling guild.

I guess I would agree with you on one thing though; it does get boring.

No one ever claimed to be great duellists in TFH, although we do have several members who regularly PvP and will probably rek a good one if you ever go up against them – not just kill one or two and make a general assumption about everyone else. That’s not the point however, we all have our goods and bads, but on the whole we work well together and complement each other’s weaknesses like a good group should.

Mediocrity is a relative term, and while we’re no where near the top, we’ve still ran over most engagements with the enemy. Obviously we’re no where close to what top guilds in EU or even NA are doing, but neither are you and if you deem us bad, then everyone we’ve manage to defeat is so much worse. “Oh it’s not impressive running over upleveled and unorganised zergs.” Well, get some organised groups on your server then and it wont be an excuse any more. We haven’t seen many of those and that doesn’t say good things.

Also, how do you define a zerging guild? If it’s purely numbers based, then every sizeable guild is a zerging guild. I can authoritatively tell you we rarely exceed 10-15 members in WvW at any given time, averaging about 6-7 throughout the day, so I hardly expect us to qualify. If it’s a matter of skill, then I can also assure you we do more than just press #1, which is what seems to define zergs these days. Anyway, your line of argument is vague and a simple matter of opinion, so I won’t argue about it.

CrazyCanuck.4265:

Not trying to be a kitten, but since you seem to be a tad to arrogant, let me remind you that you lost every single even number GvG you did against us, and then any other close number engagements we had with your guild in the open field after that. No matter what “meta” you run, any guild group of 10+ on voice comms can wipe a 30 man uplevel karma train; doesnt mean you should post about it on the forums.

Our guild is fairly large, and we have some over enthusiastic forum posters on the roster (of which I am one), but rarely does an individual represent the view of the guild as a whole. In any case, if no one posted about their achievements/propaganda/brags for their day in WvW in the WvW matchup thread, there wouldn’t be any content in it at all, and where would be the fun in that?

Our ability to work together cohesively is a work in progress, and no where has anyone claimed to be the best at anything. There’s a certain amount of arrogance and not so subtle put downs, but we all need something to keep us occupied when the adrenaline has worn off and opening gw2 is not an option. It’s in every matchup thread for every server, so take it with the grain of salt.

I can acknowledge there’s still a fairly large room for improvement, so TFH is always looking to do more GvGs, preferably at a time when some of our key melee members are actually online. Rematches are also welcome.

EDIT: during the time I took to compose this masterful literary prose, it seems our other keyboard warriors have crawled out of the woodwork. The pencil is mightier than the sword, some say.

CornChips.5392:

Cameron.6450:

CornChips.5392:

Briar’s old news man. Though if we face you again we will be sure to get some nostalgia action going.

Please do. Those briar fights were some of the most fun objective-based wvw fights i’ve had. Just enough people to make taking a tower possible, not enough for it to be a real zerg vs zerg. Perfect.

A WILD RISE APPEARED! We were just talking about you and then POP! Like you heard! It was a human ele btw

How typical, King’s so fat he’s blocking out beautiful me.

RISE, we love you too. Haven’t fought you yet though, only some small skirmishes very early in the match when I was attempting to solo briar on my engi after guildmates went afk. (For the record, I had the reinforced wall downed with a guild cata before a HoD group in typical fashion comes along to snatch the tower from me. We got revenge later when HoD capped bay from you and we hid inside to flip it immediately after with just 4 guys :P) Also, don’t believe Cornchips, briar still holds a special place in our hearts, even if we’ve been spending more time in EB lately. You guys should roam there too so we can have some awesome fights :<

HatSimulator.9362:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Hey guys. Wanted to go ahead & post this here. I’ve been considering it for a while, and over the last several weeks have had many offers from other servers to transfer to theirs. I’ve even had a few of them offer to pay for my way, just wanted to say thanks & that I appreciate all your support. However, after careful consideration, I’ve decided to transfer to Ebay. I have a lot of friends here, many of which have been wanting me to come over for quite a while now. I enjoyed my time in AR, the roaming has been fun for me. But after actually starting to play WvW a little bit (you know, trying to help the server, at least a little) I’ve become more & more disheartened. It’s difficult to actually play, and I just wasn’t having that much fun anymore. That’s what it’s all about, so I transferred over a few hours ago. I know a lot of people in AR will be happy to see me go (most of WAR, at least, I’m sure), but for the few that don’t totally hate me, it’s been fun playing with you all. Keep up the good fight. This week’s terrible matchup was a big factor in me leaving, I told myself I’d stay if we got ET/FC/AR. Since we instead got two giant, zergy servers, I considered that my calling. However, due to this bad draw, your chances of actually getting ET & FC next week are higher, so good luck! I know you will all keep going strong. I will transfer back someday! In fact, I have to, I forgot my 7,000 koi cakes in my guild vault, so it’s a promise. I’m sure you will be a much stronger server when I come back. Keep givin’ em hell, even if it’s only a little of it.

And AR is officially dead because of money. reminds of the real world

Life’s a piece of solid excrement, when you look at it.

But come on man, you’re in TFH, and you know while we’re still around we will always be applying force to the rear end of our opponents through the judicious use of a boot. Today’s run in EB is a testament to our strength and our ability to dominate wherever we go – AR may be losing the war, but we we’re not losing any of the battles. (Rather, I’m just not online when we do, so it doesn’t count when I don’t see it). The marketing department is doing a cruddy job recruiting fresh meat for AR, but the end is far from nigh. In fact, the less people we have, the greater the share of glory and loot there is for the rest of us.

Always look on the bright side of life. *whistles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

Aww, sounds like GoM and HoD have a love affair that AR is missing out on

Shadow Specter.8312:

Solstice.1097:

Opc.4718:

FC [EDGE], you have a commander who is slightly nuts. TFH was sitting in the SW tower of your BL, as usual, and the commander comes at us with over 10 golems, ONE AT A TIME, after each one gets destroyed. This continued even after the doors eventually went down, and I really can’t tell if he was serious or just trolling. It was a good farm anyway, but I don’t even…

what class? that doesnt sound anything like any of our commanders but we’ve had a couple players get their accounts hacked recently so idk. 10 golems in our own BL??? yea i’m stumped unless you know anything more

Hahaha, this is 100% true
we had full supply at bay so some guy chose to make a golem army then demanded we refresh them all night before logging off.
We decided to try get Briar back, so we grabbed 2 of the golems and headed off and ended up brawling outside vale for quite a while, (which was real fun btw)
I don’t know why he chose to fight in golems but to be honest no one cared, everything was upgraded, supply was full and the golems were made by an idiot lol,

must of been super fun for you guys wiping a commander over and over while he chose to fight in golems

Oh and Angel it was everyone’s favourite Warrior commander :P

Yeah he was a warrior. And fair enough if the golems were already there xD

FC [EDGE], you have a commander who is slightly nuts. TFH was sitting in the SW tower of your BL, as usual, and the commander comes at us with over 10 golems, ONE AT A TIME, after each one gets destroyed. This continued even after the doors eventually went down, and I really can’t tell if he was serious or just trolling. It was a good farm anyway, but I don’t even…

Ynot.8397:

Cold blooded AR monsters! Plush griffons are your friends! STAHP BEING JERKS

i keel u all

Xsorus.2507:

A. that was a small zerg right up until the end, when they ran you out of the tower.

B. Do you know how you actually killed those people? There was a guy 2 feet from you sitting on a building firing an Arrow Cart on top of them.. That is how…

C. You managed some kills, but cause of things like the Down system, rezzing ect ect, you just lost the objective.. If this was Warhammer or DAOC, you could of just wiped them and kept the objective, Instead you got ran off by 20 people.

We started recording half way through, there was a ton of dead bodies earlier who WP’d. The group you see at the end was the one we wiped earlier who then ran back from an uncontested bay, which was an oversight on our part. There’s a trick to using siege as well, a competent assaulting team who can rush you will be able to overwhelm your siege, or even just take out the siege from below. We had counter measures to stop that up until the camp trebber finally grew wise and countered our counter measures. We attempted a constant rotation of ring/line of wardings + boon corrupts and null fields to stop people with stability from charging up SO we can pin them down with siege fire.

Siege is an integral part of wvw just like combo fields and rallies which you can’t ignore, the game mechanics are right there and you just have to take advantage of it whether you’re the one attacking or defending. There’s always a way to do that, and it adds to the complexity of the experience. Killing those people with ACs would not have been possible if we didn’t coordinate below to keep them pinned. You can’t say it doesn’t count just because you don’t like it.

In any case, all I’m trying to show is thakittens still possible to take on people outnumbered, and have a ton of fun doing it which was the whole point of the thing. We consider it a victory in the end because it took them 3 wipes before they could get it, and most of us got out safely in the end. We all had a great laugh, and that’s money well spent.

I’ve seen guardians that could either hit very hard, or else tank very well, but trying to do both means you’re only mediocre at both. I haven’t found a good balance between the two, and I’m interested to see what other people can come up with.

Thieves: gank the stragglers, emergency stealth exit for your group
Mesmers: portal/timewarp/null field/make your 5 man into a zerg
Ranger: pew pew pew from a distance, then get your friendly thief to gank the people that try to kill the rangers
Guardian: meatshield/boon factory/zerg stopper (ring of warding and the staff walls)
Engineer: OP AOE grenades
Necro: OP condis and boon corrupts
Warrior: OP stunlocks
Elementalist: combo fields, tanking and ganking near tower/keep doors (mist form on downed)

Every class has a role in wvw A good group balances it out to get the optimum combo. That said, having more guardians and warriors in your group wont hurt at all simply because those classes have the best ccs and are good at tanking, which is what you really need when you go against another group larger than you are.

Pain.3756:

Kuju.2153:

They can’t do it due to technical/bandwidth limitations… you know this.

DOH! I didn’t even think about bandwidth. This explains a lot.

I wonder if they upgraded the flux capacitor, do you think that would help?

Grumpy

They’d have to yank that thing out then invert the mood matrix before they can do that, or their servers may encounter errors :o

Or…you could transfer to AR where we haven’t even seen the queue for months You’re actually more likely to get the outmanned buff than not at any given time of the day. It’s fun stuff.

Xsorus.2507:

Gameplay wise, this game is a joke

Warhammer Online offered better gameplay with 2 factions.

At least in that game if you were outnumbered by large amounts, you could still wipe the zerg.

Just continuing from my previous post, here’s a video of us in the SW doing exactly what I described – owning a zerg that vastly outnumbers us.

Keep in mind we are from AR, the last place server, and we’re still having immense fun. There are several viable strategies to take on a force larger than you, and the fun comes from finding the one that works for you

I’m actually voting for Kiel for the fractal, since asurans are cool and any asuran themed content will be just as cool ;D Asuran architecture? Explosions? Warped Reality? Yus puhlease.

At some point, you realise the matchup is a terrible system and there’s just no point in participating in the point capping numbers game. So you play wvw to have fun, not to win. What my guild has been doing is capping the SW tower of an enemy BL every night, then sieging it up to allow us to hold it for hours on end. We then invite the zergs to hit us by trebbing bay from the tower. If they ever break through, we have a wiping plan set in place and we practise mad pvp skills. All this can be done with 5 players or less, and we dance around zergs 5 times our size. Even though AR has now hit the rock bottom place and is currently getting smashed, we still have immense fun in wvw this way, and we get an even better sense of achievement. Plus, AR always leads in points while we’re on so that’s a victory right there

JahRo.6432:

Thorson.9218:

JahRo.6432:

Opc.4718:

Everyone will learn to fear it when TFH owns the briar tower in your BL

We had great fun holding it today against HoD’s unamused 25 man zerg when they came around knocking after what we did in their BL, then wiped a good proportion of it when they finally got into the tower, all with a small man group. Plus some brave pugs. It was a fun night, and makes me feel better about this matchup c:

EDIT: The Video in all its zerg smashing glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwuJ4WnvSU

Don’t let our tiny population fool ya

I wish I recorded the farm on your 30ish man zerg yesterday at your Lake tower with VLK lol. Instantly killed.

You realize you’re talking to someone from AR and 30-man zergs don’t exist on our server, right? Hell, you could even count minions, pets, mesmer clones, and NPCs and you still wouldn’t get to 30, LOL. O.o

Not being mean, I just thought it was a great time on our part. Respect to all AR players that are still out there putting up a fight. We’ve had our good and bad times, don’t get disencouraged by a score. Wishing you guys best of luck and hope you can get some more guys out in WvW soon! :-)

Instead of posting stupid gifs, people should post more videos on matchup threads. They’re always fun to watch.

Aratoa.7398:

Nightwrath.1679:

Haha ah this match up is to funny! So me who is in AR and my guild form a group to take a henge camp bluevale. We deck this camp out and hold off henge with all our might. We just keep killing their mini zergs they bring. Then next thing we know they bring a commander with his lets see about 15-20 man zerg to stop 5 anvil rock players.. GG henge GG. Hope to kill you guys some more with just 5 of us!

Oh wow, you guys are like… so good! If only the rest of us could aspire to be as awesome as you guys. Nobody ever camps out in a camp until a zerg wipes them out! Wowee! You’ve revolutionized WvW with this. This doesn’t happen multiple times a night, no way that it happens every day multiple times! So awesome! Please make sure you post your awesome sauce tactics like this because this is to awesome not to post.

Well done!!!!! Post more of your accomplishments!!!!

You can aspire, but you won’t succeed. Sorry

Everyone will learn to fear it when TFH owns the briar tower in your BL

We had great fun holding it today against HoD’s unamused 25 man zerg when they came around knocking after what we did in their BL, then wiped a good proportion of it when they finally got into the tower, all with a small man group. Plus some brave pugs. It was a fun night, and makes me feel better about this matchup c:

EDIT: The Video in all its zerg smashing glory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwuJ4WnvSU

Don’t let our tiny population fool ya

patricide.1062:

Weird bug today… One of my guildies took a vid of the Garrison doors flashing and flinging rocks everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q298IROpD6Y

Don’t be fooled, it’s throwing a tantrum.

TFH gonna miss you vT guys

ilr.9675:

I actually have to agree with Smith on this one.

I’ll do all kinds of crazy things and suffer 6+ hours a day of masochism in the most bugged Dungeons they’ve got but I took one look at Legendaries during the 2+ weeks of their discovery and instantly said No way Jose`. A piece of gear isn’t my idea of end-game when it takes 5x longer than all the other “End Game” put together to get. …just for what… 5%-10% more damage once all is said and done?? I get that just from exploiting the superior Holloween Sigil or popping a Potent potion and tweaking a single trait. And that doesn’t even begin to touch on how much more damage you can milk out of Weapon Swapping and positioning… IE: actual skill.

Meanwhile, if the Precursor only took … maybe what… 125% longer to get than the Black Moa Chick in Gw1 took? ….then I’d definitely start working on ONE legendary. I have no idea which one, but I’d begin the journey and start eating into the Supply of components for whichever one it was… (especially if they brought back MY BABY…)

Legedary weapons have the exact same stats as exotics. The only way they differ is the cosmetics.

Euryon.9248:

I feel for AR. We’ve had our share of defections in the past, but I think that’s made the core that’s stuck through it very resilient. We’ve been down here so long our expectations are realistic, and while we do get frustrated at time when there are big zergs stopping us at every turn on every map, I don’t think there is any quit left in us.

If AR really is in T8 for the long haul (and the FC/ET/AR matchup could be the one we’ve all been looking for), then all you really need to do is wrap your head around some new goals and take what the maps and the other servers give you rather than banging your head against SM or that one keep you just can’t quite get. Sanity is a precious thing.

Our only goal right now is to stop the crazy SF pushes into our BL while ET sneaks around and takes out our other half. Rather, that’s the goal when we have a BL to speak of

Atistheso.4657:

Opc.4718:

The comment was directed at your inability to win fights while you aren’t PvDing. Also, look at the points, SF is at 55k points, which is a whole 15k more than the next top leading NA server. That means both ET and AR are getting owned. Nothing to be proud of here, no matter your temporary strength at this moment.

We did win a lot of fights and probably so did you. We just have the exact same problem you have : time when we just don’t have the people to do anything. So sf pretty much dictate the pace of this game.
My comment was provocative because I didn’t like the tone of that message but I honestly find it pointless to trashtalk in this forum, especially between 2 servers in the same situation.
So let’s just do our best, respect other servers, and enjoy the fights we can have in this matchup without a 3:1 ratio between armies.

kitten it, I’m trying to compensate for the crappy matchup by being a keyboard warrior, but you’re ruining things.

Insane Pancakez.9182:

Yes, there aren’t any AR zergs remaining, just walking lootsbags. AR wasn’t ever a threat in the 13 week matchup, and you guys slowly diminished away. If it makes you feel better, when Ehmry Bay went up against Dragonband, we destroyed ALS so many times. And I do feel sorry about all the AR guilds leaving your server, kind of blows. But this matchup is pretty kitten boring. I’ve never had a matchup where I can some home BL is safe five minutes after the start of reset, go into and enemy borderlands and cap it within 10 minutes, while we own almost of their stuff on eternal. I just want to play DR and GoM Not to win, but to fight their skill groups.

You’re totally going to find skilled fights when you all run in a giant zerg. Congratulations for beating someone 3:1. That said, while we HAVE been online defending, we’ve been wiping both ET and SF groups loaded with golems over and over again.

Atistheso.4657:

Navnn.1980:

GG ET, thanks for the free badges and the 5+ golems you jus gave us at garrison in ARBL. I guess u cant take back your borderlands oviously cause ya all scared off getting wiped by SF. So thanks in advance for the badges you will give us in ARBL the rest of the week.

That’s funny last time I checked the map we had 4 fortified keeps while AR had 5 points : a camp in ET borderlands. We sure are not a strong server in WvW but that’s ironic to get this kind of comment from a server that is doing even worse.

The comment was directed at your inability to win fights while you aren’t PvDing. Also, look at the points, SF is at 55k points, which is a whole 15k more than the next top leading NA server. That means both ET and AR are getting owned. Nothing to be proud of here, no matter your temporary strength at this moment.

Been defending our BL from ET since reset. Honestly, look at EB and your BL, don’t you have anything better to do? SF now leading with 19k points, the next server below that in terms of points is TC with 12k points. If you would kindly play with some strategy, maybe we both wouldn’t be getting owned so bad.

Next item on my agenda, SF and ET, please stop wiping yourself and your golems on our garry doors thanks. Or at least have the decency to come at the same time so we can clean you off in one go.

/endrage

Cameron.6450:

Sanguinius.4809:

so i’ve read this thread. cant say i dont feel proud to see the support from GOM and IOJ. we appreciate it and we’re workin on rebuilding with as many cooperative AR survivors left as we can. keep up the good fights, more guild fights less zerging. my guild had a nice lil tussle with RISE clan of gom last night, unfortunately we were missing 3/4 of our officers but nonetheless it was well fought on both sides.

haha yeah, we keep running into you guys! And it always seems to be a fight over briar in our borderlands, you guys must love that place.

Lol you’re absolutely right, we love that tower :’)

If we’re bored for the night, we always take the tower and have an afk party inside until a poor unsuspecting zerg wanders by.

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Opc.4718:

So here I was with 4 other guildies chilling in the SW tower of IOJ BL, looking forward to some fights. IOJ zerg passes by, takes a poke at our tower and comes back with an omega golem. Really, you don’t need a nuke to crack open a walnut :P

Considering the time of this post, I’m going to assume it’s because IoJ and AR fought there for at least an hour earlier. We held off two of your breakouts, with two walls down, AND you were trebbing a breakout tower with 8-10 of us inside defending vs 20+ AR. We lost in the end about an hour or so later, but everyone defending ranked and we had a blast. Plus dem loots.

Just saying, we’re not the only ones using nukes on breakout towers. :P

Our breakout is on the SE tower, we always take the SW tower no matter what BL so you can’t treb us from hills. By the time we got there, there was only the 4 of us, you owned everything in the BL, and we’ve literally seen the IOJ zerg once xD It was just a bit funny to see you guys coming at us with a new omega golem for ONE tower before we barely set down any siege.

So here I was with 4 other guildies chilling in the SW tower of IOJ BL, looking forward to some fights. IOJ zerg passes by, takes a poke at our tower and comes back with an omega golem. Really, you don’t need a nuke to crack open a walnut :P

See what a little inter-server cooperative effort can result in? It’s a beautiful work of art.

Has got to be the most irritating issue so far. Sometimes, the lightning pull lands you exactly where you want to go, and othertimes it shoves you an extra mile over the edge. It’s unpredictable and death inducing. JPs shouldn’t have to be completed on RNG even if everything else is.

I haven’t found another thread specifically addressing this issue yet, which is surprising because I’ve asked around and many other people have this same problem. I’m guessing it might have something to do with latency since I don’t live anywhere near NA or EU.

EDIT: this wasn’t so much a problem in sanctum sprint, but it was frustrating while I was trying to get to the goggles.

Debois Guilbert.6413:

Opc.4718:

Anet just gave everyone a bunch of free gold with this update, and suddenly you’re all concerned about “gold sinks”? 1g covers 70+ deaths, and unless you are really really bad, you’d get a positive return at the end of the day anyway. Shut up and play the game.

I’d normally be in WvW but it is rather boring this week.

Bah tell me about it xD

Anet just gave everyone a bunch of free gold with this update, and suddenly you’re all concerned about “gold sinks”? 1g covers 70+ deaths, and unless you are really really bad, you’d get a positive return at the end of the day anyway. Shut up and play the game.

Play a thief for a while and you’ll get an instinct for when a thief is about to backstab you. It makes it counterable by every class in the game.

FOUR pages of solid GoM/FC trash talking. I feel left out. Where’s all the love for AR?

Well it’s exciting to see a somewhat more balanced matchup this week :o
Look forward to the fights.

Hey DH guys, who’s the female asuran mesmer in white TA nightmare gear from [Abys]/[LOVE]? Props for being annoyingly difficult to kill while hitting like a ton of bricks :P

Sometimes, I get the feeling I’m the last guy left on AR
Doesn’t help I’m a part of the elusive “night crew”.

Unfortunately, no one in PvP wants to WvW. Believe me, I’ve tried convincing them before.

Also,

Someone seems a bit mad with AR. You weren’t commanding on SBI BL last night were you? The glass GS warrior?

Rofl

CornChips.5392:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Kodiack.2783:

AR has as reputation for playing for 2nd, because we strive to move up and fight the tougher fights.

Ar has a rep for playing for second because they take it in the rear to whoever they view as strongest in order to put down someone else. It’s a good strategy I guess.

AR has a rep for playing second because of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

I second this.

Anyway, forum trash talking, fun Last week’s matchup thread was way too tame. The soap opera’s back on

Eosphoros.4987:

Opc.4718:

Eosphoros.4987:

cheshirefox.7026:

stormbluff, if you need the points that badly.. i can just sleep-in all-day..

Oh, we always admire your 3 or 4 omega-golem-rush at 5 or 7 AM EST.

I’m terribly sorry for using all the tools at our disposal at a time convenient for our oceanic/NA all nighter crew to enjoy a little WvW. I sympathize with how you may feel a little sore about it. Now what’s stopping you guys from doing the same thing back to us? A little guild coordination to start a small golem fund will quickly get you all the omega golems you’ll ever need, and it’s not like it’s an original idea.

Also, haven’t we cleared up by now ACs don’t need LoS to hit things, and if you place one in a good position, you can shoot inside towers without using any hacks? That it’s part of the game mechanic seems like a more reasonable explanation than “omg everyone from every server is doing it because hacks!!11!!”.

You really don’t have to be sorry and I’m not being sarcastic. Only a few servers would use omega so frenquently and these servers are at the top of the ranking. Before this match-up I didn’t believe that there are still WvW focused guilds stayed at the servers of lower ranking, but you have at least 3 and do a great job. Hope that we will meet angain only if it isn’t next match-up lol.

I’m too use to ebay/bp trolls Apologies for that.

The omegas are all supplied by a particular commander from [Zero], and last time I checked, he has closer to 50 of those golems in storage :P It’s nice being rich haha.

anzenketh.3759:

Kinky we were not saying that PvD for oceanics is not a tactic. We are also not complaining about PvD we had to deal with SOS for months THE oceanic server. We know how it feels a lot more then DR does. We are just saying it is not something to be proud of. It is something that A-Net has acknowledged is a problem and have something in the works to fix it. We are not saying it does not take work. We are however saying it take a lot more work to take a keep during the servers prime-time which we do. And most of the AR captures of our borderlands have been 40-50 on our map vs about maybe 10-20 people total. Because for most of the week everyone else was busy elsewhere.

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How much do we have to repeat our self. There is no Guild Coordination with us we are a PvX server. There is only 1 WvW guild. And some more dedicated WvW guilds. KARM, TB, KEWI. You are fighting a bunch of people on Teamspeak herding a bunch of cats around and we do that well.

As for shooting inside towers. Last time I checked you should not be able to target inside the lords room on any tower. Period.

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Ya probably mostly because we don’t care of you gain a little score. It is a close fight for first place now. To think we are able to pull this off with a bunch of PuGs.

Just because all our pugs wear one tag or another doesn’t make them organised. Our large WvW guilds are simply kind enough to invite all the newbies out in the field, but that doesn’t magically make them an elite force.

Last time I checked, AR has a bunch of PvE, sPvP and WvW players, so that makes us a PvX server too. Nothing is stopping PvX guilds from setting aside a little gold for buying golems, in fact you should be able to afford more of them if you’re actively PvEing. Golem rush is not an exclusive tactic of hardcore dedicated WvW guilds.

Anyway, I don’t even know what point you’re trying to argue so I’ll stop now.

Also, the guild claimer room of towers isn’t hard to hit with an AC. One placed at the foot of a tower underneath where the room is should be able to hit the whole place fine. I distinctly remember doing this before, although I guess it depends on which tower it is.

Thorp.7982:

MrFluffy.9307:

does AR have ANY roaming groups at all? All I ever see is just one big mindless sea of red that only knows how to auto attack gates and use rams

You guys are so boring/easy that we’ve mostly been doing other things. I know that a lot of Anvil Rock misses Ehmry Bay. I’ve been 2v8ing your roaming groups with my guild mate, Agriope, something that wouldn’t be possible against the majority of roaming groups of other servers we’ve played against.

Ohai Thorp <3
Just been watching some of your videos, and there’s some kitten good stuff there

Eosphoros.4987:

cheshirefox.7026:

stormbluff, if you need the points that badly.. i can just sleep-in all-day..

Oh, we always admire your 3 or 4 omega-golem-rush at 5 or 7 AM EST.

I’m terribly sorry for using all the tools at our disposal at a time convenient for our oceanic/NA all nighter crew to enjoy a little WvW. I sympathize with how you may feel a little sore about it. Now what’s stopping you guys from doing the same thing back to us? A little guild coordination to start a small golem fund will quickly get you all the omega golems you’ll ever need, and it’s not like it’s an original idea.

Also, haven’t we cleared up by now ACs don’t need LoS to hit things, and if you place one in a good position, you can shoot inside towers without using any hacks? That it’s part of the game mechanic seems like a more reasonable explanation than “omg everyone from every server is doing it because hacks!!11!!”.

Stop being condescending to the developers, I guarantee they know what they’re doing better than you do. There was a bug after a large patch, it was fixed within a few hours, everyone can get over it now.

Oh yeah, but the issue with the spectator counting towards player cap does need to be fixed.