Guild Wars 2

Obsidian.1328:

Dustfinger.9510:

Obsidian.1328:

Pavees.7281:

As per guild wars 1, alot of lore from gw1 has shown to not be exactly true to it’s word. So the great dwarf and the mystery surrounding him might not be what gw1 said.

No.

The lore was either tweaked a different direction, or various holes in the story were filled taking it a different direction.

Anyone can take someone else’s story, write your own version of how things are, slap a “2” on it, and claim it truth incarnate. Doesn’t make it right.

“Symantics”. Right or not, what it all boils down to is what is actual lore in this games forums.

Then either change the name of the game, or stop making references at all to GW1. I mean, if the current game lore is all that matters, simply state that.

I take it any movie based off a book or any comic book character worked on after the original creator quit the book must fall under that same train of thought right?

What a petty fight. Regarding the great dwarf and how we know how god hood works in the world of guild wars. He was created but probably created out of very powerful energy or using a very powerful ritual. He could even of been a byproduct of the mists but bickering where dwarves came first is down right pointless.

As per guild wars 1, alot of lore from gw1 has shown to not be exactly true to it’s word. So the great dwarf and the mystery surrounding him might not be what gw1 said.

joe.7684:

I don’t know about making Marjory’s face available to players, but this is a well-designed, beautiful NPC, and I would love to encounter her again after the Dragon Bash story plays out. As I remarked in another post, from the way she looks at Logan, Queen Jennah just might have herself a rival.

I seriously doubt that was her intention regarding logan. They’ve severely left no room for logan remotely looking at anyone else and i find it hard the queen of the whole nation of kryta is seriously gonna have a rival in a detective CONSIDERING logan let a friend die to save her life. Logan gave up alot for jennah.

Don’t you dare simulate the movie “Face off”!

I got them for free as well but they are so dim at times and boring in color scheme wise that they’ll just rot in my bank because while the SAB mini’s were bright as heck holo wise at least it was alot easier to notice em by comparison to these mini’s.

I’d be stoked if these pirates came from the same world that the steam monsters do. These people being either resistance members or something along those lines. Silly but we already have steam punk stuff and not connection em would be a let down.

They hate facial hair it seems. Why else make humans have really pitiful facial hair in general. I still want a full beard but not hobo level thick.

draxynnic.3719:

There is a Nightmare Courtier in the White Hart storyline that can be reasoned with, but he’s very atypical – doesn’t take pleasure in harming other sylvari, avoids causing harm that doesn’t further his goals (including reigning in other Nightmare Courtiers) and generally behaving in a fairly honourable, if antagonistic, fashion. However, I suspect he hadn’t truly fallen to the Nightmare Court, but was taken in by their claimed objective to free the sylvari from the outside influence of the Tablet – and because he came willingly, he didn’t get put through the forceful conversion process as happens to prisoners..

He could only be talked with, not reasoned with. You couldn’t talk him out of his objective or persuade him to leave. While yes he was honorable and seemed different from the others he still stood by the nightmare court opposing the pale tree. Citing him is hard to say the nightmare court are like this since their whole personality majors around being as perverse and cruel as possible. Heck initiation is usually something messed up that’s suppose to rob you of the last amount of virtue or honor you had left.

I think of this guy as an anomaly. Since 1 in over 1000 is hardly grounds for much except he’s the exception in this part. I do know of the guy you’re talking bout but I’m honestly confused why bring him up since you even admit he’s an anomaly amongst the vast majority and even then his rank wasn’t higher the faolin.

Trahearne honestly doesn’t like the nightmare court that much and I doubt he’d wanna risk pact soldiers in a veiled deal with people he know who betray and deceive to achieve their goals. He’s had experience with them before. He’s not some human or some charr, he knows how they act and what they’d do and he wouldn’t risk it based off his previous experience. That’s what a logical person would do. Use past experiences as a basis for future decisions.

Heck he’d talk to caithe if he even considered this idea and she REALLY hates them and executes them even disregarding honor at times(sylvari early missions show this). She’d also just say faoline is too far gone based off her experiences from twilight arbor and trahearne would listen to her opinion.

Side note you should make a sylvari and do the story paths since you seem to show little to no understanding regarding trahearne in these storylines. If you have done them but forgotten then I retract part of my statement but you don’t seem to have any understanding in this regard.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

That’s why I mentioned cease fire. Kind of going about saying “we can settle our differences after all our lives aren’t threatened by external forces.”

I don’t think that Trahearne is any more against the NC or closer to the Pale Tree than other Firstborn – he certainly isn’t more against the NC than Caithe, or more against the Inquest than Malomedies. And as he loves to say, he’s a scholar – a man who thinks logically, and the logical option is to get allies where you can when facing against impossible odds. At the very least negotiating, or trying to negotiate, a cease fire would lessen the strain on the Pact and the Wardens, allowing more resources to go after the Elder Dragons.

If i recall the nightmare court are extremely prideful to the point if the pact did approach them, I’d reason they’d just respond “We’ve survived so far without your aid. We are true sylvari! We don’t need humans or any of these other races to survive since true sylvari don’t adhere to the morals of humans or centaurs. why would we bow our knee to the very people we fight against when we can survive just fine on our own!”

The nightmare court can’t be reasoned with. This is constantly emphasized in the shield of the moon storyline. It’s why caithe favors just flat out killing over any form of conversation(excluding faolin but it’s obvious why she tries here). For all we know they’ve already tried to reason with the nightmare court or the inquest and that didn’t work out.

It’s really emphasized the nightmare court are zealous to the point they’d do anything to prove their values to be the truest form of the sylvari to the point they’d burn down the pale tree in favor of corrupting another tree to their ideals. They are prideful and you know pride hampers reason and makes a person illogical. They have no reason to believe they need help surviving the dragons since none of the dragon minions are really out there aside from a few risen(who engage with the normal sylvari comparatively more then nightmare court since I don’t recall either side going at each other or if so the outcome of it).

Remember they already have formed pacts with other villain groups so what would they gain from the pact when their already current allies are fighting the pact(regarding the inquest not the bandits). They already have allies they believe will help guarantee their survival. While they have formed a pact with humans i believe it’s because they get their agendas furthered more then just plain survival. The humans they are allied with behave alot like their ideals so they probably just tolerate them a bit easier. Regarding the inquest I don’t know much between them. All I know is this alliance is more of them using each other to get their goals achieved instead of just survival against their enemies.

Given the nightmare’s court alliance with the bandits and the inquest along with their open attack of strangers, I find it hard to believe the pact would form an alliance with the nightmare court taking into account their very violent and sadistic nature. I don’t see trahearne considering the possibility if you remember he’s had plenty of experience with them and considers them threats to be killed considering they wanna kill/harm his mother(he seems to have the closest relation with the pale tree out of all the sylvari).

Also remembering the pact believes in honor, compassion and all that good stuff is the complete opposite of the nightmare courts philosophy and I SEVERELY doubt the nightmare court would bow to the very rules they are vigorously fighting against.

If they are going to keep him around, he NEEDS a change in armor. While wearing cultural does good to introduce him. It hardly does anything good when he’s leading a multi organization army.

If they were to give him some form of unique armor then it’d make sense for a visual appearance.

He’s the leader of the pact and he needs to wear something that not only shows he’s a leader but shows that he cares bout his safety by wearing specialized armor so the pact’s leader isn’t so squishy in appearance.

Maximillian Greil.1965:

the problem with all these suggestions is that it ceases to be a rare weapon. If everyone has 100% access to the skins then it’s not a rare weapon anymore, and it looses it’s value. I like the system they currently have. most people don’t have one, a very select few do. That select few stand out, which I like.

No matter how difficult it is to acquire, if there’s a 100% chance to get it… the game will be flooded with them. Look how many legendaries are around. Just walk around LA for 5 minutes and you’ll see them all over the place.

Problem with your line of logic is you either don’t care or don’t know that not everyone cares bout prestige in items. Most wanna just attain a certain look regardless of rarity. Also to assume stuff needs a certain level or prestige to be worth something here’s a healthy tip. Don’t be so vain on an mmo to the point that you enjoy the game at other people’s expenses in an attempt to feel “cool or respected”

If joko isn’t an eventual target for us to take down then i’d have to admit i’d stop caring bout anet games just because it’d be such a let down that it’d be hard for me to trust them with all the build up he had.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

@Pavees: Well, really, it’s just opinion versus opinion, one side using empirical evidence of ArenaNet’s action and the other side using an item’s name and empirical evidence of non-ArenaNet’s actions in debating; which was what I was trying to say. Yes it’s possible that the item is meant to be Menzies’ own head on a stick, though I doubt it (not only because it’d be lackluster, but because there can be millions of the item – unless Menzies instantly regrows his own head, I doubt it’d be his own skull). I’d be more inclined to go with Thalador’s view on the torch – that it’s what Balthazar intends/ed for Menzies.

As to Beyond – honestly, if Menzies’ death was to be included in the Beyond plot, I think that is major enough that Beyond wouldn’t have been canceled until afterwards. Though all we know for intended beyond plots was that the next intended chapter was to deal with Elona, and then return to Ascalon to deal with Evennia’s disappearance (and perhaps the founding of Ebonhawke). Being part of the Test Krewe before Beyond’s cancellation, I knew more plans (regarding future heroes to be added) that never made it into the game, but none hinted at Menzies being part of Beyond.

regardless if gw1 was anet or not ncsoft still obviously calls the shots and it’s obvious they love to shut down projects if it doesn’t suit their tastes(CoH never got it’s story finished, gw1 beyond wasn’t a prority, don’t forget other mmo’s that i guarantee never got their stories finished all shut down).

I don’t think you’ve said anything in this post that really warrants a counter argument(you said nothing except “omg it can’t be true because what i must feel must always be true!”) i never said menzies was apart of gw1 beyond i only used the mention of gw1 beyond as an example even guild wars isn’t guaranteed answers to everything.

But i will say 1 thing. The menzies head item was gained from the mystic forge aka a djiin who we offered gifts to get it’s favor which the reward for the specific gifts was this item. Obviously it wasn’t his head, if anything it’s a replica/trophy of a war that was won(fow war). I only mentioned a head on a stick in a symbolic way. I know that menzies could be alive but with zero mention of him in gw2 except a head on a stick. there’s not much else that can be said to what happened to him. saying he’s alive based solely off opinion fails when compared to an item that says “the fate of menzies”.

I am choosing to not reply after this reply in this topic because i know that even if i did make a strong case for what i was saying you’d simply just constantly state i was wrong because your opinion of anet twists your arguments because anet isn’t perfect so your stand using their “record” as proof for your point in the argument just can’t work to make a discussion last and stay interesting.

Ncsoft runs the show and they cancel things without regards to lore alot so you genuinely can’t sit here telling people they are wrong when you don’t know anything regarding what can and might happen. You’re welcome to your opinion but when it comes to “empirical” discussions citing anet would never let that happen is bout as effective as a penguin flying with a brick strapped to it’s back. You don’t know what they can or will do so stop speaking like it especially when the people who fund them don’t care for the story of any game long term.

I hope you have a good day and i don’t mind discussing with you on another topic regarding a different subject matter but i’m just not interested in this topic any longer and don’t wish to discuss it any longer.

draxynnic.3719:

That is the big question, yes. Menzies could well have been planned to meet his fate as part of Beyond, but along with Evennia’s fate and whatever was going to happen in Elona, it got canned.

Maybe it’ll be ported to GW2 via fractals.

at this point i’d kill for more fractal related stuff, armor, instances, and most certainly more lore!.

There’s a key problem regarding closed doors though. They cancelled guild wars beyond which was suppose to explain quite a bit between gw1 and gw2. Now if they really felt that strongly they wouldn’t of done this at all because it leaves alot of questions unanswered.

If you know so much bout items then why even put a weapon called that and it’s essentially a skull on a stick. If you’ve ever played games like elder scrolls and such some developers will quite literally put something that small to wrap up loose ends even if it seems extremely lazy and unfair. I’m not saying this is exactly the case but you can’t dismiss something without genuine proof that isn’t speculation on your part because then you aren’t doing anything to counter my arguement except for"i believe in the heart of the cards.. i mean the developers!"

You can’t say that anet will always have a perfect record with this stuff considering the recent cancellation of gw1 beyond.

jheryn.8390:

Pavees.7281:

It’s obvious we aren’t gonna be that heavily involved regarding the gods and their realms as we were in gw1. The main focus this time around are the dragons and “possibly” going to cantha and elona eventually. I severely doubt menzies will be a threat in gw2 considering how full the plate is already.

I don’t know if I would agree with this. Too much has been made of the gods leaving. It is pretty prevalent throughout the game. And the community too for that matter. I have a feeling we are going to see them again someday in a big way. Maybe not all of them and maybe not all of them at once, but their withdrawal caused a big upheaval. Their return is likely to do the same. It would make for a great expansion device. Just my opinion.

I meant by comparison since gw1 was all bout humans and their culture. this game has to balance humans with 4 other races(might be 5 in the future if they add another race) that i just don’t see there being nearly as much focus as gw1 had. I’m not saying we aren’t gonna have stuff involved with them but menzies was such a minor character in overall interaction it seemed like they just dropped menzies in favor of other stuff(dhuum is more interesting then menzies to me anyways). So far anyways i’m not making guarantees with my statements.

Rng is rng even if this post is a spiteful jab at people who aren’t as lucky.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Pavees.7281:

Regarding menzies and the item called fate of menzies, it’s an obvious tell to what happened to menzies given it’s a skull on a stick similar to balthazar carrying the skull mentioned in other parts of the game(i know it isn’t the same skull). I believe menzies is dead to be honest since why put an item called that and it’s just a dead head tied to a stick on fire.

Presuming he wasn’t even dead in the first place. His entire force of the Shadow Army are “Nightmares” which are, by my observation at least, evil spirits. Nothing really said Menzies was alive in the first place.

And even if Menzies was alive and now no longer, that doesn’t mean he isn’t a threat, given the nature of souls in Guild Wars. Though honestly, I’d still say claiming a weapon’s name indicates Menzies was killed is a rather big stretch until we get other implications.

draxynnic.3719:

Narcemus.1348:

I just refused to admit it because of konig’s tone (arrogance on my part).

Which is essentially what set me off – that sort of thing is something I find quite frustrating, and while I try not to be inflammatory or demeaning in my language, when I’m frustrated with someone it can make me more careless with the way I present my points.

Last thing I’ll say on this subject here, but I suffer from this dilemma too on top of previous statements. Though I suspect everyone’s the same here.

Not if the intended purpose of the item was to wrap up a loose end from gw1. It’s obvious we aren’t gonna be that heavily involved regarding the gods and their realms as we were in gw1. The main focus this time around are the dragons and “possibly” going to cantha and elona eventually. I severely doubt menzies will be a threat in gw2 considering how full the plate is already.

Narcemus.1348:

Well not only that Pavees, but they tried to have death make an emotional impact in a world where resurrection was possible with GW1. And that right there, doubled with how it is treated in GW2 leaves much to be desired.

I will agree gw1 had better death sequences in it. prophecies alone had 3 decent character deaths both rurik and saidra from the shining blade along with the king dwarves brother all of them had great deaths and the circumstances in which they died in were perfectly understandable why resurrection wasn’t possible.

I think the best route they could of gone would of been saying that since the elder dragons are awake and their energies can disrupt the connection between body and soul. i know it isn’t likely the case but it’s a very legit reason why it suddenly stopped working as opposed to gw1. the dragons weren’t active in gw1(great destroyer isn’t the same as primordus imo) while in gw2 they obviously are.

With the cancellation of guild wars beyond(the branch of gw1 to gw2 to fill in gaps) being gone, I’m finding it harder to see us going to elona or cantha(despite the evidence we would and i REALLY want to) just because of the cancellation(misguised i know).

But what really interests me http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Doern_Velazquez is this man isn’t from elona or kryta. During the mission where you pick which minor race you help, you can ask where he’s from and he’ll say he isn’t from kryta and your character will say he looks like he’s from cantha and not elona. this could mean there is infact already ways to travel between them given his dialogue.

Narcemus.1348:

All of it fell into the we don’t know bit. That’s the plain and simple of it. But what bothered me was how every explanation (read speculation) I would get would rub against something else in a nasty way. In all honesty, whoever gets to write the article for resurrection (should that ever happen) has their work cut out for them. But I’m honestly not going to bring anything else back up. I don’t see the point.

The whole point of their sudden branch of resurrection from gw1 to gw2 was a bad attempt at making death mean something by making the game kitten ut dying so when death did happen we’d feel the emotional impact.

The problem is the developers failed to properly explain any of this and what’s even worse is the direction they’re taking regarding death is sloppy and disjointed at best. We’re constantly being introduced characters for 2 missions or so and then poof they suddenly die and our characters grieve for 1 second and poof here comes the next target.

We might get an explanation eventually but even if they cite the gods as the reason behind resurrection(which charr and other races reviving would directly contradict this) then it’ll be a facepalm moment for me anyways.

Regarding menzies and the item called fate of menzies, it’s an obvious tell to what happened to menzies given it’s a skull on a stick similar to balthazar carrying the skull mentioned in other parts of the game(i know it isn’t the same skull). I believe menzies is dead to be honest since why put an item called that and it’s just a dead head tied to a stick on fire.

If you don’t care how you talk to people then why even bother talking to people. You can’t just talk to people without any concern for how you phrase it and then expect them to be rational in turn. Also regarding menzies there is a gw2 item that mentions him http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Fate_of_Menzies.

I’m sorry but you can’t have discussions with people regarding speculation or anything when you don’t care and yes when you do refer to someone in a way to dismiss someone that’s disrespect you can’t argue it otherwise. Even trying to is a bit silly when you said so yourself you don’t care how you talk to people.

Also maybe just maybe if you know how you type or talk bugs more people then it should and you don’t care enough to fix it…ya that is a tad ego stroking because you feel you don’t have to do anything because you feel how you talk is perfect enough even if people say or feel otherwise. I’m not saying for you to stop how you talk or anything but you can’t carry rational discussions and expect everyone to just accept how you talk to them. You really need to look up egotistical because saying it’s everyone and never ever you never could be IS a ego stroking attitude because you feel you are perfect and everyone else is flawed.

Also regarding Narc saying he’s “ignoring it” probably means in a sarcastic tone because of the sudden shift of focus regarding death and life between gw1 and gw2 without so much as a real reason why they went this route. 1 dev saying it makes death more meaningful is just silly because it doesn’t say why resurrection suddenly stops in a magical explanation.

yes he may want death to mean something story wise but the dev obviously didn’t know how to write if he didn’t bother to research what he was writing for and take that into account for his decision and explanation for why what he wanted could happen in canon.

Narcemus.1348:

Thank you, at least someone cares. I’ll agree that the way I went about choosing to percieve lore may not have been correct, but kitten, the way that Konig and Drax demean me with every post. I can’t help but lashing back out at them and refuse my wrong in it. That post was more sarcasm at the way in which they seemed to perceive my opinion on the matter.

I personally think just because you are angry regarding the plot holes regarding resurrection between gw1 and gw2 didn’t give konig the right to be as disrespectful as he was. Yes you were wrong to go bout certain things(no disrespect sorry if it seems like it) but he shouldn’t even say he’s gonna call you “version 2” as a way to dismiss and disrespect you.

Seriously it’s game lore kon learn some restraint and also step away from the forums if you’re gonna get personal bout it. Don’t tell people to calm down, don’t tell them you’re gonna mock them with a name and don’t be so arrogant that you feel you can do this and be right bout it. it’s a game no reason for you to disrespect people over it.

Zaxares.5419:

Good question… Then again, judging by the conversation between the asura and charr in Lion’s Arch, apparently the Asura Gates have trouble sending large amounts of non-living matter through (enough that they charge extra for it). If the Consortium is a stickler for keeping expenses down as most corporations are, perhaps Noll requested an Asura Gate transport, only to get turned down by the accountants who pointedly remind him that the Southsun Resort project is already WAAAAY over budget.

I find that line of thinking to be weak at best(not yours but the reason for using a boat over an instant teleportation device) because the consortium is aware of how dangerous things are and are aware that the contracts easily means more money then some portal fees.

draxynnic.3719:

What was the question, precisely?

The general thrust of your argument is based on people not mentioning it in GW2 (apart from where it happens in CoF, where it’s a lengthy ritual that requires having a magical power source sufficient to ascend someone to a near-godlike status, so it’s clearly more difficult than it was in GW1). However, we’ve given explanations for why it’s not being mentioned… simply put, for people in GW2 resurrection is something that hasn’t been practical for long enough that most people have given up on it and it just isn’t mentioned any more.

Why? We have theories, but we don’t know. But just because people aren’t talking about it ingame now doesn’t mean that, all GW1 evidence to the contrary, it actually never existed.

I think his issue is how cold turkey resurrection has become compared to gw1. Because of the sudden in stance regarding resurrection not being apart of the story because they wanted death to mean something in gw2, they wanted to go the route by ignoring resurrection in gw1 by never mentioning it or at least openly mentioning it.

If resurrection was mentioned regarding gw1 then it’d make death mean less because then there’d be an option to just bring people back(my view of anets stance). Yes they could just say resurrection isn’t possible anymore but then they’d have to give a valid response because as we found out in gw2 all the magic of gw1 was fueled by bloodstones.

I don’t see how resurrection being ignored helps the story in gw2 because as it is deaths in the story happen so often we, as players don’t care what happens because anyone and everyone might as well be a moving target.

I believe they need a story arc where we try our butts off to complete a ritual to bring someone back from the dead and during the arc explains why it’s become harder and why this ritual requires such rare items and extreme measures.

They could for god’s sake hold back on the constant rng boxes for 1 month. You know the rng boxes once every 3-4 months helps people recover from being completely spat on by the stupidly low drop rates that go with the boxes.

Do too much of this and it’ll only alienate players because this game isn’t the gamestop of mmo’s you dont need some exclusive limited time contest that requires alot of cash to get a prize. The f&f brahm and rox skins were perfect imo

I perfectly understand this is a business to make money and if i don’t like it leave blah blah unoriginal only saying this to make someone’s opinion i don’t agree with be quiet in a smug sense of being “right” sarcasm post. I never gamble and i don’t plan to but i know alot of people who are beginning to quit because of not only lazy updates but needing alot of money or luck to get 1 simple skin for 1 character. I can only hope(i ain’t blind to what will happen though) that it’ll get better.

Let me explain how stupidly easy this whole instance can be. As a mesmer all i did was stack retaliation and stand in a corner as he hit me. YES all i did was make him punch himself to death and i got all the achievements. i didn’t need to heal or cast much all i needed to do wakitten my 4 key every 10 seconds and i won without doing anything else.

bullettohead.9715:

SkylightMoon.1980:

Guys I know its not much, but lets be realistic. We get so much content for this game. We’ve had 2 living story updates in the period of a month. Lets just be content with this for now lol. F&F was obviously more exciting but that also was the end of a 4 month living story arc.

Absolutely not. I will not “be realistic”. With Flame and Frost showing us they CAN make good dungeons, this entire thing is downright atroscious. There is NO defense for their kittenty content update. I will not just sit down and say “oh okay well they tried their best”. They didn’t. This was terrible and anybody defending it is outright wrong.

No joke it’s like someone turning in a finger paint piece of paper and claiming it was really hard and you have no right to comment since it is free to look at.

I had him die purely to retaliation and this encounter is so disgustingly poor that whomever designed it has literally no idea how to program a fight. even if you fix the retaliation issue it wouldn’t change how stupidly lazy this entire fight is. I know it’s free but from a subjective standpoint of quality I GET MORE CHALLENGE out of the first level of super mario bros. 1

draxynnic.3719:

That’s pretty close to my thought – the destruction school, or energies similar in nature to it (while most of the magic available to mortals is through the Bloodstones, it is known that there was some magic available before Abaddon unlocked the Seer proto-Bloodstone. It’s more likely that magical animals learned to use this environmental magic rather than bloodstone magic).

However, what magic they have is used instinctively, not as part of a magical tradition. A fire drake hasn’t learned its skills from an elementalist school or an apprenticeship. It doesn’t have a library of skills that it can prepare or drop depending on the situation. It just… breathes fire.

My main point is that the abilities they used may have been similar to actual magic used by humans enough that the humans thought the abilities to be the same so the names are the same for identification purposes only(it’d be an interesting possibility of why abilities shared the same name if only how our characters knew bout said abilities and named them as such. I’m aware that monster abilities obviously can’t share this same luxery but i in no shape or form claim what i say to be true only as a possible thought nothing more or less).

I’ve seen it with every game’s playerbase. It varies with the tides with people complaining bout stuff. some days you see alot of it some days you see close to zero. over 10 years of mmo gaming and i’ve seen people complain bout difficulty everywhere. I personally think anything difficulty in gw2 is like a fly to a giant when compared to gw1. gw1 had zero tolerance while gw2 is rather forgiving to a degree.

Aside from visual similarities we have no proof they are related as of yet.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Pavees.7281:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Pavees.7281:

There really hasn’t been any previous sign of any hand to hand based professions in gw1

Yes, but the monk looked like one, so nobody noticed.

not all monks practice martial training(real life i mean) and the monks of gw1 were more or less just priests with a different name for their profession since all they really did was heal and smite in the names of their gods.

I know, but they looked like martial artists, and that was good enough for many players.

I could see that with their dance but if they did bring in a hand to hand class i’d vote dervish just because it’d allow the class to evolve with the conditions it’s people who made the class have gone through(i’m referencing elona joka and all that good stuff)

I don’t think it’s a far stretch for animals to actually use magic in general because magic is in the air and we don’t know how much hard science is involved with animals and their abilities in the guild wars reality. So a drake using fire breath could be calling on the destruction school. We don’t know on this because these questions aren’t really important to alot of people.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Pavees.7281:

There really hasn’t been any previous sign of any hand to hand based professions in gw1

Yes, but the monk looked like one, so nobody noticed.

not all monks practice martial training(real life i mean) and the monks of gw1 were more or less just priests with a different name for their profession since all they really did was heal and smite in the names of their gods.

Beligerent.1324:

I’m starting to wonder about this playerbase… They complain about everything being “too hard” when it’s really easy when teamwork is used.

it has zero to do with any playerbase. people in general complain over anything cmon this is common sense.

stof.9341:

Bartas.4908:

More than doable IMO. Some mobs are meant to 1 shot single players tho.
Teamwork gets it done in no time.

If a mob 1 shot single players, he’ll still 1 shot then in a group of 50 no?

More victims equals longer fight and more of a chance to beat boss.

draxynnic.3719:

Interesting possibility.

One wrinkle is that it’s not clear how much of the soul-sucking property of the bloodstones was from their innate nature, and how much of it came from the mursaat using them for soul harvesting to power the Door of Komalie – without the soul battery array, the bloodstones may not have any influence on souls. Certainly, the Curse of the Bloodstone effect is missing from the Shiverpeaks bloodstone when we get to it in EOTN.

It’s quite possible the mursaat batteries acting as a channel for the desired affect they wanted. Also there was an effect from the bloodstone http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Aura_of_the_Bloodstone so there’s a chance that the bloodstones themselves could be altered do any kind of thing. My viewpoint is it’s either seer or mursaat magic that created the orb since both races were the most magical inclined in the previous awakening if the orb is really that old. i know we have little info regarding it.(i’d say mursaat more then likely just because during the previous dragon awakening the mursaat had the most effective magic against the dragons at least what we’re told and they were very effective at avoiding the dragons.)

I of course think there’s no relation between the orb and the bloodstone but both have show to produce a field that reacts upon a person’s death within the radius of the orb and bloodstone so it just feels like they have similar magic involved because of how they act despite no stated relation.

There really hasn’t been any previous sign of any hand to hand based professions in gw1 so the chances of it are rather slim. Side note this isn’t really a question that can be answered if anything it’s just a flat no regardless of how you feel bout this because the developers are like wild cards. You could say they might do this but could equally say they could also surf cat surfboards eventually.

Lokheit.7943:

draxynnic.3719:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Also keep in mind something far more important: skills in GW1 were not always used to show the enemies’ profession in lore. That is to say – charr monks didn’t pray to the Five Gods, despite the lore behind monks being that they got their powers from the gods. Same with dervishes and the like. As such, the assassins, dervishes, ritualists, and paragons seen in Tyria during WiK/EotN were not actually those professions, but they were, visually, akin to those professions to the point where they could be mistaken for the two.

Humans believed that the power of the monks came from the gods (or some did, anyway – the more academic among them had to have realised that monk magic was surely Preservation and no more or less related to the gods than any of the others). Remember that monk magic was the basis for guardians now, though, and belief in the gods is not required for belief in guardians, just belief in something. Charr monks in GW1 were almost certainly the same as human monks, except the faith of human monks was in the gods, while that of charr monks was in the Titans or their warband and legion.

A clearer example is in nonsapient magical creatures such as drakes – for instance, the Krytan river drakes in GW1 are probably the same as the lightning-breathing river drakes rangers can tame in GW2 (ignoring the silliness of some drake types behaving differently as monsters than they do as pets – ANet really should do something about that).

In the case of Ritualists… I’d regard it as a pretty clear-cut case that the profession started to spread outside Cantha, but between 1080AE and the GW2 present it fell out of favour again. Some elements may have been absorbed into professions such as the guardian and necromancer, but on the whole the profession seems to have largely died out.

While Charr would get their monk power from different ways than humans did, I think Konig got a point in that some professions and skills were used more for in-game purposses to show certain abilities and mechanics than for the lore behind them. For what we know Ritualists outside Cantha might be just shamans and necromancers with certain abilities and the best ways to represent them ingame without adding a new array of skills was to use the already existing Ritualist ones. Just like monsters were given professions while we know they really didn’t train on any profession but it was the best way to represent what they could do.

For example Charr could use Dwayna’s Kiss and I’m sure this was purely for the mechanics of the skill and not because the Charr would pray to Dwayna:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_Prophet

you gotta remember guardians use monk and paragon abilities meshed into one. If anything the name of the skill on the charr is how our human characters named the spell because we know that monk magic could have possible different names among different races.

since we know monk magic comes from the bloodstones and not the gods but gw1 humans didn’t know this so the skill’s name could just be because of the limited lore explained in gw1 it could just be what our character’s know the name by(we don’t actually understand the naming process of skills in general).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Well that’s more or less correct about the Bloodstones, but that’s not really what the blue orb does or even looks like (the Blodstones are a dark red/purplish color, not blue).

I KNOW what a bloodstone looks like(played gw1 for over 5 years dont need to explain colors to me or anything gw1 in general) i said it acted similar as in it could be a stone that generates a magical field or acts as a suppressent by absorbing magic from the air(souls are magic in nature). That could be what the possible dangers are. While yes it prevents the dead from rising it also forfeits a possible afterlife by using their souls to hamper elder dragon magic(in regards to raising bodies, it could also just be necro like magic in general.)

Again these are all theories but if you look at what it does do and compare notes to other similar type scenarios even ignoring the bloodstones you could see how the magic in general could work. Remember the bloodstones were seer magic so the artifact could be seer in origin that got lost in the water.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Given the context, I think it’s more that it holds its own dangers even to the krait.

Sayeh al’ Rajihd: Impressive. I will present this trophy to the great Houses in your names. You have earned the right of introduction: I am Sayeh alRajihd.
Sayeh al’ Rajihd: Now, as we agreed: the orb you seek is a thing of legend, known only to deep dwellers. Its origins are lost, but it is extremely powerful.
Sayeh al’ Rajihd: It may pose its own dangers, but it does counter the undead dragon’s influence. Wherever the orb is, those who die near it do not rise again.
Sayeh al’ Rajihd: The krait are keeping it in constant transit between their largest strongholds to maximize its effect.
Sayeh al’ Rajihd: I suggest a plan: I was brought close to the slavemaster when I allowed myself to be captured. If you do the same, you may reach the orb.
Crusader Apatia: I’d rather snatch it in transit, while it’s vulnerable. The Pact desperately needs to rein in Zhaitan’s power.
<Character Name>: We have a difficult decision here, but at least now it can be an informed decision. Thank you for your help, Sayeh al’ Rajihd.
Sayeh al’ Rajihd: May your steps be relentless.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wet_Work

Narcemus.1348:

Also, perhaps it was a Forgotten creation, but it did not work out entirely as expected and it had a “danger” of some sort which would be why they threw it into the depths of the ocean to be rid of it (being as there were no known underwater races in the previous rise). Entirely speculation, but they are just as likely as anything else.

Karka were around in the previous rise, you know.

@Drax: My guess is that it lies to being dangerous when underwater rather than when above water. And you’re right, there’s a lot of possibilities for why it “has its own dangers” to it, but the fact that we never see or hear of these dangers is quite questioning, and you have to wonder why. We can pretty much cross off all of your postulations, however, as each scenario is entered and non-existent in-game. It’s both seen above and below water yet holds no obvious effect, it doesn’t attract minions and the context shows against “the krait will be after it” (though I’m sure that’s a pretty obvious thing! But it’s not a danger the orb itself holds), and there’s no trap to it affecting non-krait so unless the krait removed the dangers, it still exists… but is not seen.

It sounds very similar to the bloodstone effect of if you died on it your soul would be sucked up(though instead of standing on it, it’s energies act as a large energy trap). The batteries the mursaat used had to used a device to prevent the soul from just leaving the world(in this mention the bloodstone). My guess is this stone either sucks up souls without any visible hint or it’s energy causes the body to no longer accept magic into it(we don’t know if this second part could potentially be true at least from my perspective.)

Lokheit.7943:

In fact exercising control over someone and “letting him live because it’s what you wished to do” is a common trait for what I’m describing, to feel the power of someone knowing he lives because you let him live many times is more satisfying for this kind of crazed minds than killing him. He could also use him in the future, knowing that he can give him all the information he wants if he threats him so killing him is wasting an asset.

And I really don’t buy that “he was just acting this time, he really isn’t that nasty when he’s not in that specific scene”. He abandoned the scene carrying the bloody bag with him with clear intentions on continuing with that beheaviour.That guy is completly nuts right now. I don’t know what happened to him since the last time we saw him, but it really hurted his mind. I’m not saying he’s evil, I’m saying he’s crazy in a very dangerous way, he is delusional, he thinks he’s some sort of hero of the people when everything he’s doing is looking for his personal revenge and endangers everyone in his way.

Why would he leave the bag there and risk his possible connection to visiting blingg(if he left the bag there then might of been a chance for the consortium to find the heads and since they hired them.. get what i mean?)

Secondly you don’t seem to grasp what “completely nuts” is since this is if anything mild to minimal for a “crazed” soldier to act if anything he acts very restrained and i SEVERELY doubt he left bling alone to have some “power hungry” feeling when he seemed in the short story to not really care after he was done with bling because he had the info he needed and his beef was with the consortium’s leadership.

And him using severed heads again isn’t insane because he used it to get information(he used it as a visual that he was more dangerous then the consortium because it was obvious the consortium very kill employee friendly) out of bling because bling knew what the consortium could do and the only way to show “he was worse” was by using the heads of the people who tried to kill him.

Again remember he’s a soldier he knows what he needs to do and how to do it(regarding the context of the short story actual ingame makes him seem not so smart). Killing and fighting for long periods of time that when using remains as scare tactics isn’t really a big deal when you kill people all the time.

Lokheit.7943:

Starscream.6498:

It might as well have just been a charade to frighten Blingg.

Carryng everywhere a bag with amputated heads doesn’t sound like a charade…

Granted those heads belonged to thugs sent to kill him, but carrying heads leaving a trail of blood as trophies to threat people isn’t a common trait on people with a clear mind.

It isn’t insane to do anything he was doing by default if the original intention was to scare the living heck out of bling(which he did). if he was truely that psychotic he would of killed bling instead of leaving him alive as a potential threat/loose end.

Being a soldier means you rarely have a reason to exercise moral restraint(which morality is a debatable concept on what is considered good or not since different cultures believe different things). Again using scare tactics doesn’t make you insane if you only do as much as you need to which he did.

How his current actions are makes him more tunnel vision then actual insane while yes he might be making himself the hero when he’s doing stupid things(if anything he’s misguided not insane) but he still knows restraint and if he genuinely didn’t care for the refugees he could easily just bomb the place since explosives shouldn’t be that hard to make in gw2 world(again one of his goals is to get the papers that bind the refugees to the consortium).

It’s hard to defend what he did but if he was really THAT evil he wouldn’t leave people alive and go out of his way to free refugees who are bound by contract when again he could just lay down explosives like mad without caring and easily risk everyone dying.

Niyo.5920:

You are very mean. ;_;
Canach isn’t that bad and I want to help him to be good again.

Not every person can be easily turned to good. Just saying that alone is extremely disrespectful to his character because all you seem to think of him is a problem to be fixed instead of a deep character who possibly can’t be saved because life doesn’t work like that. You are the one completely trivializing a possible great character by making him out to be a high school bad boy who only needs a female to fix him(i bout threw up over the idea some people think this). There’s liking a character then there’s not caring for what the character can be but what YOU want it to be completely forgetting true characters who have worth branch into their own paths like water down a stream.

Shiro would never come back because his story was told and is over, not to mention he’s imprisoned in hell by this point. He was just a pawn to abbadon and abbadon’s gone, i’d rather they focus on us taking down the government and it’s humanity are best propaganda(my main is a human but i like equal treatment) which has more room for vast stories then shiro twirly moustache kill everything logic.

The dragons are actually as strong as the gods if not stronger in some of the dragons case. Also the god’s actually weren’t aware of the dragons when they first step foot here(their intention in coming here was to bring humanity to saftey which if they were aware of the dragons is counter productive). when they split the bloodstones they drew power from an unknown source(zhaitan) to do the act and they showed no visible sign of even knowing the dragons were there.