Guild Wars 2

This isn’t really a question topic per say more of “what do you guys think” topic. so the question Q is sort of misleading i suppose. I stopped caring bout the living story in general because i’m just not a fan of tiny tidbits over 5 months with no actual way for the long pauses to keep me interested.

It’s like reading 1 page of a book then coming back 2 weeks later and doing that till you finish a chapter. It’s rather impratical and i do like they are attempting something new but the rate at which we’re shown and told stuff is too slow to be an effective story because most people will lose interest at bread crumbs over several months. I like mysteries don’t get me wrong but this is more of a story tease which i feel is more insulting then involving.

I can tolerate tv shows doing this along with other mmo’s because the bits i do get are actually worked on hard and handling properly(alot of older show’s timelines actually coincide with our time like 1 week our world can normally be a week in their world as well unless they are dealing with a 2 or 3 part episode but they will jump a couple weeks to catch up to real world time passing.)

The new content itself doesn’t give me much reason to log in mostly because after going through the grind they intended even in a casual pace(which most of the living story content can normally be ballparked most of it within a few hours so a casual pace is something i’m pushing at hard.)

The only content i’ve liked recently was the final phase of the f&f and the first week of the southsun but the second one you can chalk up to wanting the rewards with the magic find as opposed to actual fun.

I’d also like a break from forced jump puzzles(i won’t debate the symantics behind this but when meta’s either have me pick between jump puzzles or pvp i’m more inclined to do jump puzzles) because the jump puzzles are more stressful to me mostly because i don’t like doing platforming with a laptop keyboard setup.

Don’t get me wrong i like platforming just not in mmo’s which i understand some people do enjoy and i don’t mind that but i personally don’t like jump puzzle emphasis 2 updates in a row.

stof.9341:

And the point is?

It’s kind of obvious by reading and a little thought. He thinks the new armor pieces are too high in achievement point requirement for the average gamer in gw2.

Elbegast.6970:

I haven’t finished my personal story as the last leg is a 5 man dungeon. I don’t group with others so my personal story will forever remain incomplete.

Pride is a rather nasty thing at times and to be fair the instance is so boringly easy you can’t say the line “people are stupid and rude and makes it stressful”. If people in a group who don’t say anything and want the same goal as you are enough to make you avoid finishing a story you seemed to have interest in then that’s rather sad.

You know if they didn’t add ladders for achievement points then the decision to add rewards for certain achievement points wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal because any person could get to a certain reward eventually either passively or as an intended goal.

If anything dailies give people a way to get to a goal on their own terms and doesn’t have to make someone do jump puzzles or wvw to just get an item skin or bonuses.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Pavess, you misunderstood me.

I was referring to the text in the dialogue box. Even if people pronounce the acryonyms as if it were a word, it’s spelled by the abbreviated version. It has nothing to do with the speaking out the word/letter.

No you misunderstand me. Alot of writers will deliberately write the acryonym for an organization as the standard word without the periods as something to stick out and to question over. Later in stories do they clarrify and add the periods when the character finds out the word actually stands for something as opposed to being just a word.

I mean no disrespect also btw but just adding a capital to scarlet helps draw attention to it(it’s a simple tactic but like i said before i believe it’s for a name not an organization and my responses were suppose to give reasoning behind albeit poorly).

I didn’t like how zhaitan died but he’s dead and the trophies from arah have that text to just flat out say “he’s dead don’t question it!”. Citing jormag’s tooth is idiotic because 2 reasons.

1. we know it was broke off during a fight and that jormag survived the fight from multiple first hand accounts that were later written down as legends for future generations.

2.it’s not an item with a flavor text saying he’s dead. it’s only a tooth sitting there as a trophy and a test object to find a way to harm jormag and if you can destroy the tooth the same means can work on jormag(the tooth hasn’t been harmed so far by any metal/blade, spell, or norn yet said so by a blacksmith nearby studying the tooth).

Konig Des Todes.2086:

@Henge: but what would S.C.A.R.L.E.T. stand for? Besides, Mai says Scarlet in the text, not S.C.A.R.L.E.T.

Well to be fair if she wanted to keep people in the dark why would she talk like S C A R L E T(Say each letter out loud individually and then say scarlet in a sentence and it’d be hard to catch that the context of scarlet means an organization since you can’t say S PERIOD C PERIOD etc). If anything just saying only “scarlet” leaves it vague so it can be discussed on the possibilities.

Alot of fiction usually says a word that is later used as a code word for an organization without the periods so the word has meaning and is vague to leave a sense of mystery. I don’t believe it stands for any organization more if anything only a person but from a writer perspective i could see them saying “scarlet” without periods just to leave it vague.

Mr Mango.3504:

If someone tries to talk about lore and they say “asurans” I just ignore them because they don’t know what they’re taking about.

That is a rather trivial reason and really isn’t worth saying out loud since all it does it distract from the topic that people are currently discussing.

castlemanic.3198:

Ehecatl.9172:

I do rather wish we had killed Zhaitan with somthing with more kick than asuran technology. Asura have become a literary crutch for Anet to use whenever they need a convenient plot device to appear.

“Why doesn’t Kraalkatorrik just step on them?”
“An asura built a mind control device to slow him down!”

“How are we going to kill the personification of undeath?”
“The asura built a new type of lasercannon of course!”

At this point it may as well be Elder Dragons vs Asura with help.

I wish we had defeated Zhaitan using a relic found in Orr or something. Perhaps an old artifact left over from the human god’s time on Tyria being harnessed with an asuran engine/weapon delivered by charr-made airships as the norn call upon the lost spirits of Orr and Sylvari purify the land to weaken and hold Zhaitan down. THAT would have been a more understandable defeat, and actually combine the strengths of all the races.

to be fair, the airships are the pinnacle of technology, combining asuran, human and charr technology into a single airship, so it’s not simply an asuran laser cannon. or atleast that’s what i think.

If anything, i wish that what we did was only destroy a physical manifestation of zhaitan, that his spirit lingers within orr. That would then require something similar to what you mentioned, finding an old relic that leads on to larger scale i dont know what, fully complimenting what the pact defines.

And with how the developers said the elder dragons to be “forces of nature” and “beyond our comprehension” you need to make them harder to fight instead of making them so bascially easy to fight that a veteran harpy gives me more issues then zhaitan.

When you kill something ingame and it feels lackluster no amount of lore otherwise is going to make the already pitiful boss seem anything more then he was. A walking target using the nerd fetish of dragons to draw people to think of them more then they were. I hope the future elder dragons get an actual boss fight with intelligent tactics and design behind them if only to make them feel like they are a real threat.

Fish.1657:

Pavees.7281:

The fight with zhaitan was utterly pathetic. This dragon absorbs all the knowledge of people it corrupts with it’s magic but it was dumb as a rock and NOONE it absorbed obviously gave it any sort of tactical or technological knowledge of the pact or even god forbid common sense. There was nothing and i mean NOTHING to stop that dragon from slamming the ship and sending it to the ground. This thing was so stupid i guarantee it didn’t need any help killing itself given that it obvious knows nothing(bull considering we’re told several times IT ABSORBS KNOWLEDGE)

Don’t freaken mention this crap and then make them mindless because either they are hyper intelligent or tards waiting to be helped to their doom. Alot of anger in my post but bad story telling deserves no defense.

But it didn’t take anyone in a high enough ranking to know ALL the pacts secrets.

If it had taken Trahearne or his “2nd in command” then I’m sure the pact would have had to back off and re-think things.

I think you’ll find in most “military” groups that not all the knowledge is known by everyone. And a lot of the time there are seeds planted to send the enemy on a wrong path if someone of considerable stature is caught.

As for taking the ship down … I’m pretty sure he tried. Not like he was going to go kamikaze on a ship with THAT much power. I mean, we took him down with a few cannons of that power, imagine how much was stored on that ship and what would have happened to Zhaitan if he just flown into it.

That’s my opinions anyway ofc

But zhaitan is a dragon made of other dragons so i’d assume that he’d feel no real danger(he makes other undead dragons so it’s easily possible he could repair himself afterwards) of taking out the 1 ship that has his attention since when it did get a shot off it messed him up(but it obviously needed time to recharge and if he attacked while his minions distract bam boom easy win) but he still had the function to fly round for a bit.

Even being weakened but taking into account the vast tactical knowledge(and ability to adapt to a situation which is the reason alot of generals actually attained their rank. Knowing strategies means nothing unless you can think fast and if zhaitan had absorbed ALOT of soldiers then that knowledge would go a long way.)

Heck even absorbing a common soldier who knows bout planes(i doubt the entire pact wasn’t aware of the ships being worked on especially since they were around for a decent mount of the living story) and how to take them down or big metal things go boom they hurt me would obviously be enough for anything that isn’t brain dead to assume “so flying objects that would have to have some way to be taken out possibly needing wings or since i absorbed plenty of asurans i would recognize asuran tech to some degree and could think of some way to respond”.

Even ignoring what i said there wasn’t much preventing zhaitan from attempting to flee after the first shot and having his flying minions ransack the ship from below to take the big threat out

Zhaitan himself is a massive plothole that can’t genuinely be argued. It was stated he absorbed knowledge of all beings he corrupted and considering he corrupted plenty of asurans he knows asuran tech and could possibly deduce to some degree(more then nothing) what he was dealing with and how to react. He also has the knowledge of countless orr army and the sizable amount of norn and charr(they specialize in combat situations so their experience would be invaluable considering a decent mount of charr specialize in technological professions given their disposition towards magic in general and their societal change from magic to technology)

Again I know the story has to set up for us to win but the game said too much and failed to comprehend it’s own logic before jumping the gun. A hive mind setup that can gain more knowledge with each fallen soldier makes for a near impossible win(it can be done though if the story gives us a real reason to understand why case in point interrupting the link or sending a magic virus to erase or possibly corrupt knowledge the dragon gained to make it more stupid and easier to fight)

My advice if you do get all the expansions is to start with nightfall and eotn first and focus on looking up hero builds for an overall setup because heroes with good setups can make alot of content considerabbly easier then just henchies or hoofing it. the wiki for gw1 is alot of help and there is a site for good hero builds along with locations for the skills you’d need and everything.

The fight with zhaitan was utterly pathetic. This dragon absorbs all the knowledge of people it corrupts with it’s magic but it was dumb as a rock and NOONE it absorbed obviously gave it any sort of tactical or technological knowledge of the pact or even god forbid common sense. There was nothing and i mean NOTHING to stop that dragon from slamming the ship and sending it to the ground. This thing was so stupid i guarantee it didn’t need any help killing itself given that it obvious knows nothing(bull considering we’re told several times IT ABSORBS KNOWLEDGE)

Don’t freaken mention this crap and then make them mindless because either they are hyper intelligent or tards waiting to be helped to their doom. Alot of anger in my post but bad story telling deserves no defense.

I doubt you’ll find any canon images, given that we don’t honestly know much pre-elder dragons and I doubt anyone can show you a real picture of the jotun back during their prime.

Wallace MacBix.2089:

My guess was that it’d be a possible permanent movement boost based on achievements (/map completion/title/something) for certain areas.

Heck if it was tied to a title (similar to EotN’s titles) we’d have a reason to display one over another (one gives a speed boost, another a damage boost, etc.)

I’d rather the eotn type titles not be brought to the table again. It only brings needless micromanaging for 5 seconds per area instead of being worthwhile.

I’d rather they implement a new slot dedicated to speed increases over mounts. guild wars as always been bout the feel of movement by foot and waypoint. mounts would throw a wrench into the system but that’s just my opinion.

I’d personally love to see branded armor or jormag based armor design. The arah heavy armor is a perfect comparison of what i’m getting at. Literally making or taking armor from the enemy to use against them.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Daroon.1736 does have a good point though.

WvW related achievement points are harder to obtain when compared against PvE achievement points.

to balance this, i think there should a lot of new easier to obtain WvW related achievement points.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_vs_World_
at the moment … all those … well … seems need to take a lot of time to achieve …

nothing much else to add though.

most of those would take roughly 694 days of non stop playing and using 10 minutes per objective of only focusing on towers or keeps(keeps usually taking over 20 minutes). They need to pull their heads out of them dark places and actually intelligently design stuff instead of throwing darts at a board.

I still find it insulting the tengu use a reskinned charr model when their gw1 model(the white mountain model) to be perfect and beautiful by comparison. I also find it insulting that instead of a honor bound race of warriors thrown from their home not being playable we get a bunch of worthless cats(which sadly i love cats but i don’t like orcs in cat skins which was the original purpose of the gw1 charr in proph) who only goal in life is to kill and make more cubs. I still hate that massive shift in focus with the charr. I get that some charr are honorable(i liked pyre but he was an anomaly amongst his peers).

Originally being monsters but now they are forced to be perceived in a semi-honor semi-military state(their old system was alot more tribal why i found their sudden shift to technology to come out of nowhere and i know they did use siege devourers and forts but eh) horribly off topic to some degree but i miss me some tengu and hate charr models jacked them guild caps in favor of backpacks(shudder).

dronzer.8392:

wookiee.4631:

dronzer.8392:

Ring of fire would be good to see, Crystal desert sounds like it’ll be a rainforest.. seen enough of that.

I heard the Crystal Desert was a savannah now. I wish we had an actual desert environment, I’m not sure Orr counts.

EDIT: I know what you mean about the Rainforests. Some more environment variety would really spice up the game world.

Yeah I would definitely love to see a desert, getting there when doing the trials of ascension in GW1 was among my favourite part of the story, definitely loved how that area felt back then.

panzer.6034:

I’m not familiar wiht the lore, but is the Crystal Desert supposed to a rainforest instead of a, ya know, desert?

Maybe rainforest was a bit of an overstatement but yeah it’s no longer a desert in the lore, I remember something about a river being diverted and it changed the landscape, have to google it or maybe a lore master can chip in.

It’s why I want to see Cantha, it was so radically different to the original GW, the environments , the feel and everything about it felt really nice.

That’s because when you do go the route of an expansion or new continent it’s normally best to be as different feeling as possible to reinforce that the new area is infact it’s own environment and culture. Otherwise there’d be no point to bother adding new areas if it’s all the same.

She had reports of alot of mursaat chasing langmar and keiran so i’d just assume she’d assume that spectral agony would be involved given that their spell was so terrifying they had to draft an asuran to study a seer body to make a counter spell to spectral agony.

Detectives usually have to think of ways for how things go down and they usually look at the obvious details and work with them. it doesn’t mean they would just assume the first guess is the right one(she’s no detective though).

We can’t personally see the evidence nor compare it to anything and we can’t just assume she’s had alot of experience with it unless told otherwise given that before the war started she probably wasn’t even aware of the mursaat or spectral agony to begin with.

I think we’ve discussed this as far as it’s gonna go and i have to leave to go on a trip so i’m just saying i’m done with the discussion and moving on.

Scarlet…what a cliche name for a fantasy game. I actually Like Mr.E’s name alot more then scarlet(i am red haired and my character wears red etc etc so it’s not because i hate red).

I hope the white mantle plays a part in this story arc just because of their importance of working behind the scenes.

Pavees.7281:

Also koro knew of spectral agony and possibly just assumed she died of it(she even says she thinks she succumbed to it). if you saw 300 mursaat chase a person and the person dies you know of spectral agony then you’d assume the same as well since it’d be all you’d have to go with it unless told otherwise.

How would she even know what Spectral Agony is? How would she know the name of the affliction, if it wasn’t something that was known, had a name, and was identifiable? By definition it has to be identifiable, because Koro calls it by its name. You wouldn’t say someone died of small pocks unless you knew how to recognize what a victim of the affliction looks like.
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The spell is referred to it by that during the previous missions. Remember that asuran who was working on a counter to the spell WHICH THEY REFER to by name? they know when the mursaat kill people they do it effectively and wanted to figure a counter on a large scale(it’s why the seer corpse was there it was referencing knowledge we found out during prophicies).

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Pavees.7281:

As per the enchantments shown in gw2. we’re not told how they function or how they are performed but we know they exist right? the jade soldiers were constructs imbued with spectral agony so they were enchanted to the core with it anything they shot or did would inflict it. THAT DOES NOT MEAN spectral agony leaves psychical marks. it means the psychical blows they inflicted would imbue spectral agony into it’s victims to further add to the effect of the blow. You DO know people can do from mental trauma right? I’d consider mental damage as wounds(if she was a mesmer then she could easily recognize mental trauma).

But Koro specifically recognizes the marks left by Spectral Agony. That is pretty definitive. I don’t understand why you are still arguing against it. One npc’s line of dialogue does make all the difference. Her words specifically make it clear that Spectral Agony does leave wounds or marks on a body. She says langmar died of serious wounds, and that the cause of death is clearly Spectral Agony == agony leaves physical evidence on a persons body. Spectral Agony is such a rare and specific kind of damage, that for Koro to even make mention of it is evidence enough.

I didn’t say it couldn’t leave psychical damage but I was saying it doesn’t open wounds or the like.

If we’re talking the body having spasms and muscles tearing because of said spasms that’s a byproduct of the mental trauma induced by the spell. My point is the spell doesn’t actually damage the body but effects it causes induces damage by disrupting the soul energy which in turns causes the body damage by the soul’s energys attacking the body.

I think the spell is a very powerful mesmer/ritualist type abilty in that it targets the mind/soul and any damage that follows is pure byproduct. I know(i knew since my original post) that this line of logic basically implicates the spell doing it but my point is that the spell can be tweaked to NOT leave any visible trace.

more then possible the mursaat could change or tweak the spell to leave traces or do more damage or act differently(they did create the spell so you can’t tell me they aren’t smart enough to modify it).

Now as to current day use regarding the OP. I think over time given the mursaat’s drive to near extinction and wanting vengeance(but not wanting to get caught) they’d work the spell to a point for it’d leave no trace to be followed(which got me to discuss it’s current day counterpart might have no real visible trace of it being there or ever having a trace).

If they used “dark magic” then the remaining mursaat would be smart enough to know that since they got beat into the ground before it’d only harm them to have their plans ruined so modifying spectral agony to leave no trace would be very wise.

Again the spell could easily of been something else but we were discussing spectral agony and i was only arguing how it’s purpose or original purpose was to be a quiet clean killer. Last time i’m saying this but I KNOW I COULD EASILY BE WRONG. I CLAIM NOTHING I SAY AS FACT ONLY AS SUBJECTIVE. said this so many times people can’t read apperantly.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Pavess, you’re wording – intentionally or not – is rather hostile. Hjorje wasn’t talking down to you, but suggesting for you to take a breather. And I suggest the same.

If i wanted to be hostile i wouldn’t dance round the bush. If i wanted to be hostile i’d probably just take it to private stuff(which is petty and serves no purpose). Feeling strongly bout stuff and wanting the discussion to be equal doesn’t mean the person is angry.

I don’t mind being wrong but i don’t think anyone likes being told they are wrong for the sake of they think the person is wrong. It’s a matter of respect. I admit your ground has points but i still argue my case. You did admit it’s possible(took awhile) which allows this particular topic to be at an impasse and allow us to move on;

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Pavees.7281:

It’s sad you’re saying we’re wrong when you show no knowledge of how enchantments can function which discredits your viewpoint because it’s easily possible for the jade arrow to disable them psychically while the spectral agony disables them soul wise.

Do you have any idea how active Konig has been in the lore community? He and his colleagues have been cataloging Guild Wars lore since the release of GW1. If anyone knows how enchantments function in the game, then it would be him.

If the npc does not make mention of arrow wounds, then your point is irrelevant.

Being active for long periods of time doesn’t mean a person can’t be wrong. Just because she doesn’t give a really detailed report doesn’t mean anything. I admitted it’s subjective and i even admitted it’s possible spectral agony can do psychical damage. she never said the wounds were from spectral agony.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Captain_Langmar it only says she succumbed to it which can mean a few things. either trauma induced, wounds inflicted by it, or any wounds she did have spectral agony made it where her body couldn’t live. We’re not told how the spell works and 1 npcs dialogue isn’t a text book definition to how the spell works. so no it doesn’t throw my point out the window. because his point stands as much as anyone’s could because the spell has never been defined how it works or even what school it’s from.

Admit this topic is so vague we’d probably never know and we all can only figure out so much with what we currently know. That doesn’t mean 1 person can cite 1 line of dialogue in their own preference and use it as fact. I admitted several times mine is skepticism nothing more.

As per the enchantments shown in gw2. we’re not told how they function or how they are performed but we know they exist right? the jade soldiers were constructs imbued with spectral agony so they were enchanted to the core with it anything they shot or did would inflict it. THAT DOES NOT MEAN spectral agony leaves psychical marks. it means the psychical blows they inflicted would imbue spectral agony into it’s victims to further add to the effect of the blow. You DO know people can do from mental trauma right? I’d consider mental damage as wounds(if she was a mesmer then she could easily recognize mental trauma).

Also koro knew of spectral agony and possibly just assumed she died of it(she even says she thinks she succumbed to it). if you saw 300 mursaat chase a person and the person dies you know of spectral agony then you’d assume the same as well since it’d be all you’d have to go with it unless told otherwise.

Getefix.9150:

obviously it was the Utopians

You know when they make a possible future expansion i hope the utopia idea gets reused as a new land or world. So many wasted ideas it’s sad to see alot of them go unused.

Hjorje.9453:

Man Pavees you need to go take something to calm down. I have read this entire thread and man you seem to be the one over reacting. Dang.
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Or you can do me a favor and not presume to talk down to me when i wasn’t disrespecting you or anyone else. Just because i feel strongly over a discussion gives you no right to tell people what to do or just assume how they feel or anything.

Also you don’t need to feel angry to feel strongly bout something. To think that way is to show your ignorance. I seldomly get upset or anything and if i’m gonna discuss something me rolling over when someone challenges my viewpoint doesn’t make for a good discussion.

-continued from first post-I know this is subjective but i’m not stupid when i admit with how the mursaat work it’s possible because until the game says directly that it does cause bodily harm you aren’t going to be able to say anyone is wrong because we know there were psychical means for her to receive multiple wounds. if not from arrows or hammer to elementalist magic and possibly her fall into the river.

Also citing other schools of magic leaving psychical harm because of game play mechanics is straw manning because we’re discussing 1 spell and it’s unique properties not other spells because we know how they function. spectral agony is such a unique spell that noone has been able to replicate it by chance, having to be taught it to be able to use or learn it. which further credits it’s mysterious nature and properties.

And how do you react to all this harmless speculation? somewhat childish, I mean why else go "i like how these 3 posts basically said “kitten koro and what he has to say” when we were saying that koro wasn’t wrong but were giving reasons for their being wounds which spectral agony made her die to but in our opinions it make her body die to trauma as opposed to it directly inflicting wounds.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

draxynnic.3719:

It’s possible that Koro’s analysis was that Langmar’s physical wounds were not, in themselves, sufficient to lead to her death… but that they were a contributing factor. Thus, it could be that what she’s essentially saying is “her wounds were too great for her to withstand the accompanying Spectral Agony”.

Then the wounds wouldn’t have been “too great.” While it’s an interesting interpretation, the two statements are said separately.

She died because her wounds were too great.

Koro suspects she succumbed to Spectral Agony.

Not:

Her wounds were too great, but not enough to kill her.

Koro suspects Spectral Agony finished her off.

The second alteration is easy enough to argue, but the first? It’s a possibility, but a very slim one IMO.

Pavees.7281:

Now mesmers identifying spectral agony is something we don’t know is possible because we don’t know what school of magic spectral agony belongs to( i’m assuming something similar to ritualist magic if only something close to it). I’m not saying it’s impossible but i’m not honestly aware of a situation where mesmers have been show to identify spectral agony.

You make it sound like you need to be able to use a kind of magic to identify it. You don’t. That’s why spellcasters are so distinctive in their profession – any Tom, kitten, and Harry can tell a necromancer’s magic from a mesmer’s. Spectral Agony is, as far as we know, not part of the four schools (as it not only predates the schools, but the mursaat have spent lifetimes in the Mists away from the bloodstones).

I think all you need to identify Spectral Agony as such is to see it. And given Koro was fighting White Mantle and their “gods’ pets,” she would know Spectral Agony from other magics.

Thalador.4218:

Errr… you do know that Jade Armors and Bows apply Spectral Agony with a single blow or shot. And there were four mursaat coming along with the last White Mantle army, all being the very leaders (who stayed back until things really went south for Toriimo and Isaiah)… accompanied by vast scores of Jade soldiers.

Yes, I’m aware. Though I don’t see what the attack on Lion’s Arch has to do with the attack on the Ascalon Settlement.

And don’t forget the existence of Jade Cloaks.

Besides, I think that if she was killed by an arrow or hammer wound that then inflicted Spectral Agony, well… Honestly, the means to apply it via physical harm only gives me further belief that Spectral Agony itself causes physical harm.
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There’s a horrible flaw with your logic there. You’re choosing to believe that it’s impossible for spectral agony to act as an enchantment along with arrow. with the arrow causing the psychical damage i.e. hitting their legs or arms to disable them psychically while the spectral agony attacks their souls. Games do have enchantments which are applied to weapons but they serve to only augment the attack.

It’s sad you’re saying we’re wrong when you show no knowledge of how enchantments can function which discredits your viewpoint because it’s easily possible for the jade arrow to disable them psychically while the spectral agony disables them soul wise. you know hitting both ballparks of psychical and soul to completely cripple an opponent. You’re just putting your fingers into your ears and ignoring people over 1 npc’s dialogue and even then how you interpret it. Choosing to not take anyone elses view points with credibility. You know if you won’t do it then why should we bother to even listen to you in return.

Make a discussion stupid to even have if you can’t admit other possibilities without throwing in “but i still think you’re wrong” even in an indirect way. At least I bothered to admit you’re viewpoint had basis while saying I find this explanation to be more plausible while emphasizing it’s a possibility just like your viewpoint.

It always confused me why forgotten were always cited for some unknown structures and alot of times people don’t think the seer would build anything like that. I would assume their name “seers” would make sense to building the hall because of it’s vision giving/fate leading well.

It’d be nice to get a 2h version of a rapier(i know it’s impratical but to be honest we don’t actually USE it as opposed to using it more as a focus or a channeling rod).

My only issue is if you reflect her bullet it teleports you to her(which annoys me as a mesmer when i rez people it puts reflects up. i know i could take the talent off for that fight but it is safer for the other people rezzing the same person that if i get teleported they dont get messed up themselves).

I give draxy my respect and kudos on analyzing this subject in an interesting way.

Now mesmers identifying spectral agony is something we don’t know is possible because we don’t know what school of magic spectral agony belongs to(i’m assuming something similar to ritualist magic if only something close to it). I’m not saying it’s impossible but i’m not honestly aware of a situation where mesmers have been show to identify spectral agony.

I’d be very interested if spectral agony did actually become a usuable skill(if ritualists aren’t added the only similar class that could get it would be mesmers but again we don’t know how it works magic wise.)

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I find it funny how the last three posts basically say “kitten what Koro says, I’ll believe something else!”

You do the exact same thing at times and that’s very arrogant to dismiss people just because they don’t listen to you and your PERCEIVED understanding of lore. Alot of stuff is left up in the air. Alot of sayings can have a dual use(you refusing to aknowledge this is the same stuff you’re calling people out on) and you’re refusal to look at something subjectively OVER 1 SENTENCE is fool hardy especially given that the whole lore behind spectral agony was that it attacked the soul. It’s why we needed the seer’s help and the spectral beast to use it’s magic/skin to protect our souls from their attacks.

WHILE YES IT CAN LEAVE PSYCHICAL DAMAGE neither you or me have seen the actual effects it has on the body(1 npc’s dialogue is hardly proof you say this to other people as well when they cite dialogue) and just because i think that the ability given it’s told nature attacks the soul and me finding it hard to believe it wrecking the body shouldn’t allow you to believe you can disapprove me because i guarantee all you’re gonna say is “you’re choosing to ignore this! you’re just choosing what to believe in!”

Dude kitten you do the same and shouldn’t have a basis to jab people over speculation when spectral agony aside from 1 npc’s dialogue(which again could of meant the wounds inflicted to her soul OMAGARD SOUL DAMAGE how could this be! no way could this be a possible alternative to psychical damage!) we have zero idea what spectral agony does to the body psychically.

Also remember the mursaat were called the “unseen ones” they specialized in being hidden so good we needed the god’s blessings to see them. They have been working on soul magic for easily over 300 years. I find it really hard to believe the race that specialized in avoiding being found or leaving proof to where they were would use a spell that would do the complete opposite given it’s unique history. Seriously the “unseen” ones would make more sense LOGICALLY to use means that would leave zero clues they were ever there which PSYCHICAL wounds would be counter-productive to how they work.

You do realize “succumb to their wounds” has been used in alot of contexts not only relating to psychical damage. I guarantee the person who made that comment was aware of the mursaat and their spectral agony and until we see visible proof it leaves marks(yours is as much speculation as mine as dialogue of succumbing to wounds is usually meant “died to damage inflicted” and given reports of mursaat chasing her it’s not hard to assume their most powerful magic inflicted damage. also remember it could of been INTERNAL damage which could possibly not leave visible marks upon first notice).

Again pay attention to alot of movies and western use of english the sentence “succumbed to their wounds” when in a fantasy realm has been shown to apply to more then just visible marks given that a person could use that same term in the soul sense(makes sense given the mursaat’s obvious prowess in soul magic). If your soul is damaged or it’s tether is shattered then your body will die because of it thus “succumbing to wounds inflicted” but in this case soul wise.

Also remember 1 persons comment doesn’t make for solid proof it leaves visible marks given we don’t in what context this persons statement meant. Remember how agony resistance was using the SPECTRAL essence to shield us from it’s effects? that means it attacks the soul which would make sense given we needed a SPECTRAL being to protect us from it and how it’s effects make sense.

Being logical is approaching a subject from multiple viewpoints not just assuming 1 possible outcome to be truth when there are other possible explanations. When i hear “spectral agony” which is relating to ghost agony or SOUL agony aka attacking the soul. My first thought isn’t normally psychical damage(not discounting it but speaking from a logical standpoint i would go with their expertise relating to soul magic they could of easily over 250 years mastered the spell to not leave a trace) but attacking of the soul or it’s tether.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Pavees.7281:

250 years plus the destruction of lion’s arch’s library could of lead to the loss of information regarding spectral agony along with in gw2 timeline we don’t know how spectral agony would look like or if it left a trace or if even the shining blade know what it looks like anymore. To me this has to be the white mantle just because it fits perfectly into how everything relating to the white mantle in gw2 is shown. Very little to almost obscure amounts.

Spectral Agony does leave physical visible marks on the victim. Sadly, we don’t really know what they are:

Lawrence Crafton: “On the very north side of the lake, we found a fresh shallow grave that we believe holds the remains of Captain Langmar.”
Dian Fermati: “As such, we believe that Keiran survived the jump into the water and somehow managed to swim to the north side, dragging Captain Langmar’s injured body with him.”
Koro Sagewind: “Unfortunately, her wounds were too great. I think she may have succumbed to Spectral Agony before they even got to shore.”

I still find it skeptical that “spectral” agony leaves visable traces since spectral implies non-psychical. if anything the wounds part could just be soul damage or something other then just psychical wounds since wounds in this case could be translated to damage to her soul or connection of her soul to it’s body.

I’ve always been curious as to the creators of the hall of monuments and what the halls actual purpose storyline was. I mean it seems to only react to events it perceives to be of great importance to the future of tyria.

I also am quite curious why over a thousand years it never showed signs of damage but by the time of gw2 it was demolished(I figure jormag ransacked the well for the magical power but then it wouldn’t make sense why it didn’t target the weapons kept there by the ghosts to hand to people).

My only guess to whom made it has to be the seers not only because of their name and their obvious prowess of magic but like the seers themselves it has very little details known bout it.

Side not but i’m hoping the story to the hall is resolved sometime in gw2 because it’s whole mystery has been bothering me lately to exactly what it is aside from obvious gw1 storage for achievements.

lordkrall.7241:

tigirius.9014:

you mean besides the 7 years of promises that we’re still waiting on? Someone seems to have missed the prelaunch interviews entirely.

Oh and temporary content wasn’t part of what they said and it’s been a problem since the game launched. How many times in a row should we kill the troll in Queens?

I listen to every single interview before and after release. And they did indeed say some stuff back then that is currently not in the game.
And since people are like you and shout and complain about stuff not being exactly like you wanted it to be they have simply stopped telling us stuff like that at all.

You can’t really blame him for calling bs on developers tooting their horns and then pulling the veil over our eyes like they never said it originally. Truth be told it’s really bad PR to do this because it show they have lied before and will lie again because everyone just shrugs their shoulders and go “well maybe they haven’t gotten round to it”. Common sense says you shouldn’t make promises you had no intention on keeping.

If the developers of gw2 even remotely cared bout gw1 they wouldn’t ignore 2 giant landmasses just because of something minor they themselves blowing up out of proportions. Sometimes you do for your fans a great service not to appease to them but to be able to look down the road and realize this is how the game is destined to live and be proud it had a chance to revisit this land in a possible brand new light.

fixit.7189:

Problem is some us don’t want to go into these fractals, elitists rule there and will only take certain classes/builds in most part. Also I refuse to use third party website in order to group. These are reasons why I don’t do instances. Last one I was in I got barrated with the most foul insults since I accidently got lost and I swore to never do one again. So for now, laurels get me gears and thus deciding whether to save or spend; looks like save.

Ok you’re wrong on 2 accounts here. 1. it’s not elitist to wanna communicate with people since some fractals like dredge and colossus are actually pretty hard higher tier and lower tier it’s helpful to know what to not do since they do have mechanics. 2. the only way you’ll find elitist players is round 28 on up. If you don’t like other people’s rules MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. You’re just crying bout people when if you find a problem with other groups make your own and state the rules. anything under 16 is beyond easy you don’t need any form of voice communication to succeed.

Also saying people only want specific classes…. I’ve done over 300 fractals which is over 60 groups and very very rarely do people complain bout classes. Some people get skeptical with 5 thieves in a group but that’s only because certain bosses it helps but isn’t required to have reflects and group utilities. again if you make the group you decide what comes or doesn’t come. which is ironic cause your tag name is fixit and you’re kind of doing a poor job fixing a minor issue. not a personal attack but this is just you wanting people to make groups for you and expecting everyone to be understanding when you can be in charge of the situation.

250 years plus the destruction of lion’s arch’s library could of lead to the loss of information regarding spectral agony along with in gw2 timeline we don’t know how spectral agony would look like or if it left a trace or if even the shining blade know what it looks like anymore. To me this has to be the white mantle just because it fits perfectly into how everything relating to the white mantle in gw2 is shown. Very little to almost obscure amounts.

Mesmers in gw1 could so use swords. There was a build called illusion weaponry combined with flurry for a barrage of unblockable unnegatable damage.

I have to give it to the original prophecy writing team for making the mursaat easily to me the most interesting race in the game. Not because of how they were hidden but just wondering how their society works and if they treated their fellow mursaat with respect or was it more like asuran’s where everyone is a rival

You know what’d be interesting is the leader of the white mantle had a child who’s family line would eventually lead to a person being a high ranked seraph commander(THIS ISN’T TRUE but i’d like to appreciate that if it was it’d be interesting if it was)

My issue is all you really need to do is slap cogs and goggles on items and call it steam punk with no other regard to the style type itself. It isn’t just that. It’s more or less victorian style clothes itself with slight modifications which DON’T have to be just cogs slapped everywhere. Don’t get me wrong I like the style when it works and this stuff is so eh to me.

there are 4 npcs all named that are standing near each other and all of them are direct descendants of henchmen from gw1.

deviller.9135:

Noooooo….. Why the leader is human….. Its should be quaggan……..

Quaggan sky pirate, cooooooooooo !!!!!

Nah it should of been a charr. They are famous of genocide, capturing and enslaving human children then having those children fight to their deaths or be eaten alive by said charr.

If she had a skittish and scared tone to her voice like she was shy and withheld on her social aspect then it would of been a bit better. also the name npc’s part would of been smarter to make up names for people in crowd,

The most pathetic part bout this story is how the voice actor did the voice for mai. How she’s voiced gives IMMEDIATE suspicion it was her. Not only that but her role in the story obviously pins her as the suspect(it’s obvious none of the reps were involved because it’s way too obvious. most story writers think themself clever and introduce 1 character who’s played up to be nice but that’s only to throw off suspension it’s this character who’s the master mind).

My main issue is if they made mai sound skittish or afraid at all during the attack i would of been less suspicious it was her. But her voice just sound egotistical in her lines just points her as obvious. I find it sad when i figure out a “mystery” 2 minutes into the story. Take note if you’re gonna do the nice girl is actually scheming. Make her voice sound VERY afraid and almost close to mouse-ish. That way when she does reveal the curtain her tone can change and it gives a player the revelation it was her playing them up.