Guild Wars 2

It does work in combat. And if you are running after someone you are doing it wrong…SB 5, Steal, or gods forbid HS…among others.

@Necromancin, the staff in PvP is awesome. How can you say it is no good for survival? Chill and fear and AOE? What more do you want except to get rid of the lamest Auto attack and animation in the game. And it looks like a Scythe lol…I put a hydromancy ruin on it to get an additional chill everytime I switch weapons.

It takes practice landing your marks, but it gets easier. The long cast times suck, but you learn to live with them. Wouldn’t give it up on my wells necro!

Dude, that is just jacked up. Really great post, but tbh I can’t be bothered to go through all that just to get to 57%.

I only use DS as an OH kitten button anyway and for strategic fears, etc…it does not bother me that bad that it is at 0% from the gate, but they really should start it at 50% for crying out loud.

You can own in PvP within ten minutes of rolling a thief and LOL at Choops comment:

“Or maybe every hotjoin game you go into has 8 thieves just because they’re really difficult to play and evenly balanced? Not sure, need to do more research.”

Still laughing hehe.

Necro is fine, it is the minions that need work.

My thief’s SB damage and skills are way better than a ranger SB.

Pretty much sums it up right there.

They rarely seem to long to me, with your main weapons, you can just AOE and dodge all day long…

Nice post, but hey, not everyone wants to do Tpvp with VOIP. If 5v5 premade tourneys are the only thing that counts in this PvP and the only thing that is balanced, guess what? Have fun on your empty servers.

If Anet does not care about the pugs and Spvp games, then this game is dead before it even goes Esport. Period.

Anet needs to sort out Spvp before they can even think of going Esport because if they don’t, who are you going to play against??

The funny part is on these forums is, if you get stomped by three thieves spamming HS, you are the noob.

I don’t care who is on the node, I will attack them every time. If I die, so what??? At least he will be limping and hurt for my teammates who are hopefully right on my heels.

@Slithan, necros are great counters to guardians, why is it so hard to believe that a necro could take them down?

So, there are a lot of people not reading the three pages of thread, and I do not blame them. So let me paraphrase why I made this thread.

1. I do not die to HS spammers unless they jump me in the middle of another fight, see attachment. This is not a L2P issue, it is a valid gripe about a stupid, stupid skill.
2. A finisher skill should not be spammable
3. It needs to use double the initiative, have a 2 second cooldown, or only be usable at 15-25% opponents health to make it a real “finisher”.

So, is it working as intended when my necro goes from 57% health (27k life and to 0% from a HS train?

Is that REALLY a finisher? My necro can take on all classes, and beat them with skill, even good thieves, but dumb noob thieves who HS train…this is just stupid enough to kitten me off.

Again, this is coming from a thief main, who ONLY pvps. I have 334 matches on my thief and over 150 on my necro and nearly as many on my ranger. I know how to counter thieves, I know how to dodge roll, etc…but the HS spam is just kittening stupid kittening dumb. Period. Anyone who disagrees is just trying to defend the fact that they play a thief who spams it and is afraid they may have to start to learn how to play the class themselves.

Most of the thieves go out and burn down opponents at 45-60% health with HS spamming. This is not skill.

Sure it can be countered, but 8/10 even a new player will down an opponent with that tactic at that amount of health. And HS is not the most effective skill we have, but noobs who chain spam it give thieves a bad name.

Rez first for sure, but smack the guy on the ground a few times first or hit him with a bleed so you get some points if he cans it before you rez your teammate.

Fingers crossed!!!

You can’t really factor in pet damage at this point I think because they are so bugged, and they die way too easily. I would happily trade my ranger SB skills for my thief SB skills tbh.

This thread seems to be sidetracked a bit, but going back to those who call me a noob and a moron because of my post, I have a couple of things to add:

1. Did I say I cannot beat them?? No. I did not. Does the skill still need a nerf, YES, it does. A skill that can crit for 8k on a softie should not be spammable three or four or five times in a row. Period. It is a stupid, stupidly op skill that has no place in thief lore, and as I said this is coming from a thief main, see attached.

2. To those who assumed I do not know my way around PvP or the thief, you know the old adage…when you assume you make a kitten out of you. See attached, and keep the noob and moron comments to yourself. The second and third most played are necro (146 and counting and Ranger, 124 and not counting). I am not bragging because there are many higher levels, but I think after 324 games with my thief, I know what I am talking about. And to kitten with you noob HS spammers.

You would be surprised how many people just stand there and let you get behind them, it is amazing.

If the player is not immobilized by the thief’s own doing, then your point is moot cribbage.

Saying the thief is having easy backstabs and should be toned down because the player may be stunned by some other professions skill or because his CDs are all down does not make sense at all. A thief with no CDs up is a dead thief every time, what is the difference? Should we then nerf SB auto attack on rangers some more because his kill is guaranteed against me when I had no CDS up? oO

A player who knows there are thieves in the zerg would be wise not to waste his purges.

/confused by your logic…

OH and I will say it again, don’t F with Backstab, mess with the synergies instead please, because there are those of us who roll backstab builds that do not abuse the stacking and high crits.

I have been PW’d maybe twice since the nerf, and neither time killed me. Though it didn’t before the nerf either.

Agreed Asum, though you can do well with a thief on your first outing whereas to be good it takes time to learn it vs others. Other classes have a much higher learning curve.

Yeah, you blow all your CDs for one second of glory, and then you die. But it does put a smile on your face before you do
I don’t mind the thieves, most are just fodder. The mesmers annoy me to no end though.

I know how to dodge it, and it is avoidable, but it still should not be spammable. This coming from a thief. It is a super gap closer for sure.

I tried a minion master and it is just too buggy, they have a lot of stuff to fix before that build will be viable.

I play a well/mark necro and love it. I really wonder why people complain about the necro so much.

I can take pretty much any class on 1v1 with little to no problems. Survivability is insane, and aoe damage is just huge when you stack them, and you get nice combo field bonuses. Ironically, the only thing I have a hard time against is if a spamseeker thief gets the jump on me, even though I have the most of my pvp games on my thief. oO Chills and slows are good but do nothing to stop the spammage of that blasted “skill”.

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Dagger/Scepter on one hand, and staff on the other. Runes of the undead on the armor and hydromancy on the staff and hydromancy and geomancy on the d/S.

I run with wells ofc, and flesh golem, the charge is just awesome for those hard to beat heavy armor guys. This build will let you farm points and heads.

Coming up as 70 unallocated points for me…try again?

Dacromir, was wondering when someone was going to mention mark/well necros. I play a thief and such a necro and tbh, my necro can take down all classes, but ironically, a spamseeker is my hardest match up as a necro. oO

For my thief, I do not run from any class, but hate mesmers, not because they are hard to kill, but they are just lame as can be. It is the only class I will shamelessly spam heartseeker on and laugh at them after I kill them.

I still say make a player invulnerable in MOA. It should be used to take someone out of the fight long enough to ignore him, not be able to zerg someone down with only a chicken claw scratch for attack that does 250 damage.

Put a 2 second cooldown on it please, and/or double the initiative you need to use it.

This should not be spammable. If it really is a finisher, it needn’t be spammed relentlessly.

Agreed with everything he says. I am a thief at heart, but love rangers in MMOs too, have always played and loved them, yet this ranger profession is just bland and boring. I hate condition builds.

This in pvp, I have no idea, nor do I give a rat’s kitten about PVE.

Sure he fires slower, but 1000-1500 on softies, and about 400-800 on heavy armor, AND a 5k crit AOE? Why does a thief do 2-3 times the damage a ranger does with a weapon that is designed for a ranger?

Isn’t that like a ranger doing thrice the damage with a dagger than a thief?

Doesn’t seem right to me and I play a thief as main (317 spvp matches) and a ranger (123 pvp matches) as well.

It does 5k crits in Spvp regularly, and the SB auto attack hits for 1400-1500 on softies. That is thrice what my ranger crits with his SB.

I can best that one
Yes, my points suck in that screenshot. The thieves harassed me all game lol.

I hate playing healers and supporting roles.

BUT, I do agree with the OP. One solution could be to grant points to the supporter for boons he has added to someone who kills an enemy? Not per boon or anything, but if he boons the whole team and they kill a bunch of people he should share in the glory IMO. This for Spvp of course.

I am a hardcore fun haver. And right now I am having fun killing noobs. I had no expectations going into this game but what really makes me smile is that I do not have to PvEEEEEEEEEEE to pvPee.

I never get pop ups on directions on how to do a map, ever. Must be checkboxed in your setup page??

Also, the scoreboard is gone with the B button, not hard to get rid of when you are mashing keys anyway.

I usually ignore the auto balance popup because your answer does not seem to be taken into account anyway.

I just got 32 bonus points for a win. At level 21. Where is the incentive to win the matches? AGreed with above poster, the game encourages zerging by not scoring more points for wins and important objectives.

flesh golem charge…Wells, and marks….bye bye…

Agreed, the MOA is the most kitten skill in this game and is just rubbish.

Make the MOA invincible so he does not take damage. That would solve the problem. Take the guy out of combat, but don’t let them get zerged down with absolutely no possibility to defend themselves. Just ridiculous. Makes me want to throw my keyboard everytime I get MOA’d

I agree, and if they can’t fix that, at least don’t RESET the timer on him when you kill him off in the water. Make him instantly respawnable. That is what annoys me the most.

Add signet of stone (30pt trait to make active signets affect you too) to your protect me and you will laugh at thieves even harder with your ranger.

Shadow refuge is fantastic. It bugs me that you can see the circle, but most people in spvp will not be smart enough to AOE it.

The trick is to use your terrain, set it where you can hide behind a rock, a wall, or a dock, etc…to protect yourself from AOE as much as possible. I don’t mind that people can see it, it makes it not OP and keeps other classes from complaining about a long stealth that no one can see. Learn to use it correctly, for it is extremely effective and powerful.

There is probably lag and it is definitely bugged, but yeah, I continually take damage from rangers, but more so from phantasms, illusions and pets after I go into stealth.

Incurafy.6329:

Galandil.9641:

You should be reported. For your grammar skills.

Going by the structure of your post I’d say that you’re not much better.

haha, I had to login just to LOL this.

+1 I have been hit by that smoke bomb for over 5k damage several times. Never thought to make a screen shot, but it does need toning down.

preemptive dodge roll, enough said. If not preemptable, stun break and dodge roll twice, and faceroll him. He gets one of those every 45s – 1 minute and for every one he dies because he is fodder after. It is not like he just roams the field killing at will.

The problem is not backstab, it is the might stacking with the signet, a1900dmg backstab should not in any case crit for 8x its normal damage. Wolfe sums it up nicher than I can above, but he is completely right.

If Anet is smart they will not nerf BS, but rather reduce the stacking of might with the signet, or eliminate it. That is the real issue.

People rolling glass cannons should not be surprised when they get pimped down in seconds by another glass cannon. I am sure you feel your glass cannon is bigger than everyone elses, but there is always a bigger cannon.

Gap closer, and finisher, it is great for that . If no other enemies are around, I also like to spam it on a mesmer when down to try and kill them off, because lord knows you won’t land the stake through their heart with their seemingly infinite teleports.

Used strategically, it can be very powerful indeed. The spammers can give it a bad name though, and spamming it is just a bad idea for so many reasons.

On the other hand, it is always good to spam it on a mesmer and or guardan…jk

And Valley, the least cool of the four IMO.

All infos can be found here:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/PvP_reward

Well, while I am at it here are the other two daggers:

Forest Dagger, also pretty nifty, got from the chest.

I got a flame torch and staff from a gold Dolyak chest, so it seems you can get the daggers from a chest, but the dagger was forged…
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1 Dagger Token
1 Dolyak Token
1 Arcane Sliver or Arcane Orb
5 Arcane Powder

It seems random. I did it 2x with arcane sliver and got an Alpine Dirk the first time I did it and the second time the flame dagger. I also tried it 2x with the Arcane Orb and got the same result.

The Alpine Dirk is pretty sweet too, see attached.

Disappointing!

Three itty bits of orange on it does not make it a flame dagger lol…

honestly I don’t care if they keep nerfing the thief. I will still play it. The funnest profession in the game IMO.

Has been posted a lot and still no change, I think all would agree. Even just changing the avatar of the enemy to red or blue would be enough.