Wow… now I see what farming cof did to the players, this is how a cof farmer sees other dungeons ?
Yeah this was the game state like 3-4 months after launch
I don’t consider myself a COF farmer. COF farmers run it for several hours at a time. I can stomach only 3 or 4 runs before I need to take a break. Usually that break is from COF for the rest of the night. COF farmers also demand that people ping gear and kitten when they enter the party, which is a level of elitism that makes me sick. My usual COF groups includes a ranger and a guardian, and we can do the dungeon just as quickly as any 4 war/1 mes party.
Oh, sorry for the “farmer” thing than, yet Your pov for dungeons are not actual. I run pug mostly. 98% of all my runs are with pugs.
But the problems of dungeons You are pointing don’t exist if You run a pug with knowledge how to do them, an everyday pug. In fact EVERY dungeon in this game is hard if peaple don’t know how to do them. Take 4 ppl with You to CoF or CoE that are “fresh” runners with a little experience and see what happens, same goes for every dungeon in the game.
Sorrow’s Embrance
Part 1 golems ? Easy as hell fight. Just learn “where” to fight them.
Part 3 also a fast part if done correctly.
Path 2… meh yeah insane amount of trash.
Twilight Arbor
Rabid gear is good for WvW, but ppl run it it’s becouse of the looks.
FW/UP done with a pug. After 2x wipe on last boss one of the members told the rest “what” do dodge, thankfully all pug player had brains – killed after 3rd try, it beacame easy as hell.
Ascalon Catacombs
1. Sometimes we don’t do it at first attempt but never failed hard. Mostly 2-3 max aaand done.
2. First time hearing that… did it with Mesmer, Thief, Guardian, Warrior, Necro all melee weapons nothing ever missed.
3. Kholer is a 1 min fight… 2min at max :|
Arah
2. That’s the idea of “the last hardest dungeon” that it punishes bad groups. If it does not suit You don’t play it. Do other dungeons if You have limited time. Adapt.
3. Are we playing the same game ? I farmed the Arah set with my thief. Did 1-3 paths (depending on how well the pug was) in 4h of my total play time and still had time to do my dailis and other crap completed the set in 1 week. 0 times failed, 3 times all melee even! With a pug :O
So I don’t know with whom You play dungeons, I pug them constantly and they are not hard if everyone in the pug know how to.
My contentions with the other dungeons are because I don’t have as much fun playing them, for the reasons that I have stated. If you feel that it is snobbery to dislike dungeons because they are not fun, then I have no purpose for your opinions.
If you cannot play an instrument or do a specific sport You give up becouse it’s not fun and tell everyone “they should do this sport more easy becouse it’s too hard to do it and it’s not fun”.
That’s how dungeons are, the fun comes when all know how to play it.
Wow… now I see what farming cof did to the players, this is how a cof farmer sees other dungeons ?
Yeah this was the game state like 3-4 months after launch
Im a cof farmer and thats all i doing in pve bc theres nothing else to do. If u think that cof farmers are skilless ppl, we can always meet for duel in pvp. Hf, and get back to ur troll cave
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Cof farmer tears, delicious.
It reminded me of this
I find your lack of fat male norn disturbing..
Sick! The most original mesmer I’ve seen this far I would have nightmares after meeting him :O
Yeah but, it’s limited to a “projectile” so if anything stands in it’s way it will obstruct or just hit something else still nice idea
There are many triks with the DS"2"/Spectral Walk/Flesh Wurm teleportation system I found them really practic in some scenatios.
For example:
Ice Fractal 1st boss “crystal” he teleports peaple in random spots around the map, but befor he does that a massive snow storm appear hit Spectral Walk, you will get randomly teleported hit Spectral Recall (camera full zoom) and you are in the same place you where taken from.
Colossus fractal, when the hammer needs to be taken I rush before all on the platforms when the “head statues blow the wind” and when on top I press Spectral Walk, jump down take the hammer (the team needs to know or they don’t give it to you ^^) and teleport back up.
Same on the “2 hand seals” I run to the seal on his right arm (where the 2 mobs are that you don’t kill them) before entering I put spectral walk, hit the seal, spectral recall no mob is pulles + swiftness hammer returned.
Swamp fractal. Spectral Walk + Flesh Wurm shines here. First I put Flesh Wurm on max range than when the counting starts I put spectral walk (in most cases I take skelt or spiders) so I run in on spectral walk take the orb recall, necrotic traversal and the orb is in it’s place.
Lupicus AoE when he starts it I pop up DS 2 in mid range of him so when the closest projectile under hi feet are allready gone I get teleported right under his feet and I’m safe.
PvE melee unfriendly bosses I start with Spectral Walk followed go DS hit Dark Path get out of DS after you get teleported Well of Suffering (or Darkness if you want some cc on a mob group) and Spectral Recall.
But the combinations really “shine” in pvp situations.
Need to “Finish” someone ? (assumming you have Flesh Wurm near or it does not work) before finishing pop spectral walk, start finishing casting, necrotic traversal away from the action and right before cast ends spectral recall and finished (works great on guardians)
I’m sure there are many other ways to use those skills but I do not know them yet :P
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Just memorized on tdredge fractal in the beginning I tell the tem to rush on the close gete becouse I’ll stadnd there only for 2-3 secodns I pop Spectral Walk run trough the dredge stand there 2-3 seconds Spectral Recall and I’m safe
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Blood Magic – Adept
Take it to the grave
Whenever your minion dies you loose one condition.
Spite – Master
Long cold night
chill duration increased by 20%
This is something I thought of… but idk too much about mechanics or IF can this be made, but it could be quite fun.
Death Magic Grandmaster Trait
Bloody Sacrafice
All summoned minions have their abilities redesigned so that after using it the minion dies
(something like flesh wurm’s attack + modified death nova trait but for every minion)
Blood Fiend: Heals for X hp and cures 2 conditions.
Summon Bone Minions: Explosion causes blindness for all foes for 3 seconds 240 radius finisher blast, poison field for 3 seconds.
Bone Fiend: Immobilizes enemies for 1 1/2 second 200 radius and leaving a field (3 seconds) that cripples for 1 second.
Flesh Golem: Gives the necromancer 3 seconds stability, and launches all enemys (400) in a 200 radius.
It’s just an example values can be changed I’m not so good with balancing but having such trait would be awesome for a MM necro
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I would like to know if anyone has experince with this kind of playstyle.
Is it possible to refill your LF Pool during 10 sec of DS cooldown ?
Life Blast is almost at 100% crit and gives might—-> Is the Dmg good ? or still to low because of downtime when not in DS and the slow castspeed of LifeBlast.
Would you recomend changes in the Trait lines ?
(7,8 utility strongly depends on a fight, same goes for food/utility)
I play similar build from the begining of the game becouse I like high numbers. I’ve started the fractals with this build and I loved it. Before the pach 5 days ago the “rotation” or “skill priory” (or what’s it called) was different. The build itself changed a lot it became more… mid range, but more aoe and an incredible aoe burst.
I use Axe/Dagger and Focus. I take staff only for Maw’s tantacles becouse 600 range is not too good there. Also I change traits so marks do more damage and gain life force so I can play more in DS.
With focus both handed I stack precision, with food I have a nice 51% (You can buy the 80 prec, 8% crit dmg wich is cheaper na You will have 50% no problem) but when with 1-2 warriors in a party I rather take 100 power 10% crit damage food for the exra power. For dredge/shaman/svanit fractals I take +10% more damage consumable.
It was possible to refill half of DS life force (when my DS was on 5s cooldown traited) – before the pach under 50% life force your DS attack drasticly failed, also there is a minor trait that You have extra 5% dmg when Life Force is 50%+ so You shoot until LF pool was nearly 50%, got out Axe 2 or dagger auto attack, if focus 4 bounces all 5 times you get a high amount of LF also Spectral Gasp on champions for soft cc with chill and more Life Force (You also gain LF from nerby deaths so on dredge You can keep it up every 7 or 10 seconds if the die nicely).
Life Blast with food itself is at 100% and it hits like a truck – it strongly depens on your team voulnerability conditioning warriors or grenade engi are perfect for this, also it depends on your might stacks – but without “perfect” conditions I hit for 5k-6k fom DS 1 (with stron might voulner team even 10k), and on spamming 1 when I don’t get damage I can even have up to 10 might stacs from Reaper’s Might only, alo every hit pierces and gives 2 stacks of voulnerability so yeah
I change traits and utility often depending on the fight. On harpy for example I go with Near to Death (so I can go in DS every 7 seconds) and Foot In The Grave (so after going in DS I get 5 seconds of stability with those I don’t fall off becouse of the knockback as much as before the pach. In more AoE like fights (dredge or so) I take -15% cooldown on DS skills so I can AoE more with 4,5 + piercing shoots, the -15% cooldown is also great underwater fights for spamming DS 2 (AOE BLIND YEAH).
On grawl shaman I take my racial Charr hidden pistol for that extra evade becouse we don’t have vigor
it’s short on cooldown and can save You from that kitten arrow or when you lack dodge.
But the best change is when You put down Well of Suffering and go quickly DS for 100% crit chance, so that every well aoe hit is a crit it hits like 2200+ 7x = ~ 15k + DS 4 6-9k and DS 5 that “hit” at end of the 3rd torment does also 2.1k+
For single targets I like the lich form, You also have over 100% crit chance and do like 5-7k+ auto attack “1” for 30 secodnds wich is nice the attack also pierces all targets in it’s way!
So I find the biuld fun to play, I really like it
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Small comment why not curses. Well that kitten minor pasive has a chance to bleed while crit I don’t like this becouse in a power base gear my bleeds do even 60% less damage than full condi gear. There are also only 25 slots so I would take some of it while some other necro or condi thief could benefit much more from any extra bleed slot.
Also with my full zerker armor any healing is nice and I don’t benefit from condi damage at all in Curses. Regen while under 90% hp every 30 sec and siphon health on crits can counter some small conditions on us. Also any extra vitality boosts our Life Force amount so I find that more usefull.
Cheers.
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The issue are not the classes rather the dungeon design, this is where it all begins.
After some smart players notice that the best way to beat pve dungeons designed right after release or last year (fractals) is to go full offensive with gear, traits, boons and just nuke the hell of everything in melee they started doing it becouse it was profitable (also you need some skill, and dungeon mechanic knowledge!).
See that peaple are doing dungeons only for the marks and nothing more, becouse there are no other rewards all world loot is pure rng.
So… the players adapt, saw where is the profit and became “cof farmers”. Some of the peaple just want a full profit run with a party specificly builded, some are also morons who thinks of themselfs as kings of pve becouse they can do cof 50% faster than any commoner they find us “noobs” (they don’t even know what a noob is but all the community abuse this word wide over), but those happen in every single MMO there is on the market, it’s not something You can “cure” like a “disease” of sort. Behind every character sits a real player, some of them are more mature, some are just jerks – deal with it.
Just ignore them and play your own game. IGNORE, they are no thread to anyone, let them exist in their own world of cof p1 and let them think of themselves as gods of this game… let them play the way they want, and new players if have brain will also see that these are the kind of players they should avoid at any cost.
Being good and skilled is one thing, being good, skilled and kittened is the other, and it’s uncureable in both worlds.
The hope comes as new dungeons appear… (dunno why on limited time, it’s supid…) and the new bosses mechanics don’t favorise stand’n’nuke fighting style. Condition builds are being rise from the grave! The new Aether dungeon somehow favors condition damage – golems and their shield for example you know what happens when You melee them right ? – or last boss fo wich You don’t even have to go full zerker to complete. See how the dungeons are evolving and maybe in the future they will rebuild the “old” dungeons types that favorise only 2-3 proffesions and boring cookie cutter build schematics.
Let the game evolve and maybe we will se something very interesting in the future content.
I find only the last boss melee unfriendly. With the rest of the dungeon I have no problem (from the guardian pov is easy to write about it becouse of all the available stability skills).
Yet the last boss stacking so many bleed in such short time, and they are long term conditions it’s hard to melee, even with Pure of Voice and Indominable Curage it’s still hard to melee her more than just GS-3-4-2-distance-5-change range… I don’t like spamming shouts and virtues just to do a 20k dmg and use one of the precious cooldown that can be a life saver to a party member or myself, better give her 10 crits with a scepter auto attack for over 2k+ and have those cd for when really needed.
I would like to watch someone skilled melee her just to lern some tricks
Dungeon mechanics were kinda fun, but way too easy. Soloed the dungeon with my guard. To be said it took quite long because it was my first time in there, but still felt bit too easy.
Want challenge ? Solo with a necro, not guardian/warrior
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My stats. 5000 gems, ~3000 coffers (if it possible to count). Realy heavy big bag of gold and real money.
Jade GS, 2 axes, scepter, greatbow, shield, hammer, staff. 8 tickets. Its 8 tickets. And bad taste after getting this tickets. Because its about 200 bucks.P.S. And yes, i know that no one forced me to spend my money…
Lucky… I spend like 100 euro (8000 gems) and got 0
I spit in my face from that day every time I pass a mirror how kitten stupid I was.