Guild Wars 2

Sunspots.9861:

We are [P]oking the Dragon ;p

Naw that’s what JQ is doing this week

Aieo.2815:

It’s been fun TC and FA. Good luck with your future endeavors.

Looks like you spoke too soon >.>

Hey SoS interested in teaming up to try to stop the evil empire from dominating the galaxy?

Let’s try this again…

Attempt to contact an Officer from ESP in-game and in the meantime feel free to report them at Exploits@arena.net.

It is against ANet Policy to make any cheating/hacking accusations on the forums and you should know this by now

Lymain.6723:

Not that I care about it much, but I’m wondering if the server rating system encourages TC and FA to stomp SoS into the ground. Seems like a close finish between FA and TC wouldn’t hurt either server much, but basically every point SoS scores hurts the other two servers. I’m not saying anyone should really care, but it’s a possible flaw in the system?

Kinda but not really…

Yes TC and FA would need to push hard to gain Rating, but at the same time the same RNG element that put SoS in “T2” will ensure we see varied matchups ourselves. Neither Server is really “bleeding” Rating and can be recovered over time.

This is actually a perfect example of why the new matchup system is better. Rating is finally “shifting down” from T1/T2 to lower Tiers and lower-tier Servers can “play for Rating” even when outmatched Coverage-wise.

For people who want scoring that is weighted for Coverage/etc that is pretty much exactly what Rating Evolution is

LilMcGinley.3890:

Andy.9137:

word of advice SoS, don’t complain about a 2v1…it will make worse.

It’s not a 2v1. FA/TC are smart servers, they know we don’t have the all around numbers and whatnot to defend all of our maps (being a server with smaller population), it’s the same issue ET has. Pushing us is “easier points”. Would I like to see the 2 T2 servers pick on someone their own size? Of course, but this is a good wake-up call for SoS and I’m excited to be here.

Thank you SO MUCH for a reasonable, logical post about the situation.

After weeks of Dragonbrand this is soooo refreshing

Furiousbeard.7602:

Usagi.4835:

Our lawyer will be sending you the divorce papers, FA. I can’t wait; I’ll be so happy when this marriage is finally over! And I want that car back.

Break out the celebrity lawyers!

Danny Devito vs Jim Carrey

I want Demi Moore…

oh wait Celebrity Lawyers… hmm… I’ll have to get back to you on that

etrigan.4213:

You misunderstood what I said, BT strived for way to fight people, barely anyone stepped up.

Hanging in the towers with walls down waiting for someone to attack, only to watch zergs run by.

This is not a BT only occurrence. FA is a bit of a pvp server, we just aren’t finding the fights we used.

Arrow carts are OP…but they aren’t that OP. :P

One would think that if BT and FA wanted fights, assaulting/taking Keeps, one of the top two Towers, or the North Camps on opposing BLs would be a much better way to draw attacks than hunkering down in their spawn Tower where everybody could see the Siege they had dropped…

Regardless SoR’s NA Guilds should be happy to give them fights whenever SoR and BG match up so hopefully they will find what they are looking for.

Ezeriel.9574:

Yes one commanders wife won’t understand credit card bill for 5g worth of trebs, and yes we are looking the other way when TC runs past, but for the first time in a long time FA is having serious fun.

Hehehehe!

But most importantly… pure awesome!

This is a game. It is not “srsz bznz” – glad to hear FA is having fun again!

Jski.6180:

Shadow Gathering.5649:

Proud of FA for its performance against two “Full” servers. Keep up the good work!

Shame we still keep losing numbers. Weekends tend to be bad for us but i am not sure if its because its a long weekend but our numbers are waning badly.

TC’s numbers are down too.

Likely a combination of the holiday weekend and the late-week push. On the other hand DB is extra-fired-up right now after how last week ended. We’ll have to see how it plays out as the week goes along.

As long as there are still good fights out there for everybody it’s all good

Eviator.9746:

Good luck, have fun. Posting just to make this easier to follow, but also to say, I really don’t want to read a bunch of posts about cookies, quaggans, and dolyaks again. My time is precious and those topics are dumb.

Poobadoo wants to lick you…

MrLT.6028:

To good fights and remember, all is fair in love and war.

You’re going to Quaggan Walk with DB instead of doing the Yak Parade with TC aren’t you?

FA came in second but their Rating Gain wasn’t enough to secure them Blue.

I am choosing to support this Matchup Thread as it lists the Servers in the traditionally-accepted format.

ganeshori.6309:

Im in agreement with the one up, one down system. You win, you go up one spot….theres is an ultimate winner in every tier…so they all go up one….the guys in second place of all tiers stay right there in the blue spot. And all those in last, all go down the next tier. and of course the top dawg in tier 1 stays right there till he gets knocked down.

It would be an easy implementation to do…and if it sucked…after a few tries…then go to whatever crazy idea is next.

There are several problems with WULD:
-Still little variety (It’s very easy for Servers to get “locked” into either Blue or cycling between 2 Tiers
-Is highly susceptible to manipulation
-Does nothing to address Map Completion Issues (see Reason #1)

This new System allows for much greater variety in both Server Matchups and Server Color while still clearly showing which Servers are strongest. If you read the article you would see that the #1 Ranked Server will still be clearly identified by Rating regardless of what Matchup they are in.

I’d say give it a chance before requesting something else.

Doomdesire.9365:

BG is boring and stop showing up when they lose. Why not TC/SoR/DB

I think BG would keep showing up if TC were there

DB needs a match against JQ (and the rest of us need Observer Mode to watch )

Zen.8497:

I haven’t seen anyone from SoR saying “Omg SoR are gods :O” and it has nothing to do with trolling. It is what it is based on server strengths and coverage. I think this change is a good opportunity to refresh some memories and maybe make some new ones as well.

You should see what your fellow Rallians are posting…

I would absolutely love a TC/SoR/BG match – I think there would be a lot of good fights all week long.

Zen.8497:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123

Yeah but that was against a much weaker version of TC than what TC is now, and a match that featured a “dead” 3rd Server since SoR had poached most of their main WvW Guilds during the match (SBI).

Of course that doesn’t matter too much since math hasn’t been invented that can accurately describe the size of SoR Trolls’ egos

Challenge accepted, hopefully we meet sooner than later, I also reserve the right to quote you at the end of the match up.

And I want to see the quote if you win by anything less than 300k – I’m not saying TC would win in a 1v1 matchup against SoR but there was a reason for why that matchup turned out that way and it wasn’t simply “Omg SoR are gods :O”

Aurust.8961:

Last time TC fought SOR we beat them by 300k…… a much much much much much weaker version of what SOR is now. Think about that.

Yeah but that was against a much weaker version of TC than what TC is now, and a match that featured a “dead” 3rd Server since SoR had poached most of their main WvW Guilds during the match (SBI).

Of course that doesn’t matter too much since math hasn’t been invented that can accurately describe the size of SoR Trolls’ egos

That…
was…
AWESOME!!!

I’d like the new system more if they offered Free Transfers to all Servers below T2.

Allow the population to spread out a bit and this will be a much better system than we have now.

sostronk.8167:

kyro.8162:

I believe that was just an example.

Believe, or hope?

“We can look at our leaderboard data and apply these calculations to see how this system might play out if it were active right now. If we let base variation be 40.0 and deviation variation be 1.0, then we might have gotten the following matchups this week…”

You seem to be the only one “believing” or “hoping” :P

Reading Comprehension FTW

Vespirisa.1497:

Arkard.3970:

With the new WvW ratings change, other guilds might join you guys… although not necessarily to another server >_<

Well I guess many could be happy about the JQ vs DB matchup

That’s just an example in the article not necessarily what it will be next week… this will definitely shake things up but only time will tell if it is better or worse.

Fuzzion.2504:

Blackelk.3784:

The tornado was devastating 2 miles wide at base, my thoughts and prayers go out to those affected. I wish you a speedy recovery.

For a non-american, is this rare? i live on the other side of the planet

Fairly rare. In the past 14 years there have been a total of 9 Tornadoes even close to this strength Worldwide.

In a cruel turn of Fate, this town has been hit by two of those nine and after analysis they are likely to be ranked #1 and #2 in terms of most powerful recorded Tornadoes ever (Winds exceeding 200mph/320kph).

Naffy.1493:

Do you really think it would be that much of a demolishing? By your logic, a server would get demolished, move down and then pwn. Are the tiers really that different +-1? Honest question.

In some cases yes absolutely – Both TC and FA took “one week vacations” to T3 and neither Mags nor (pre-transfers) DB ever wanted to see us again.

Also WULD would prevent situations like TC/KN/BG or TC/FA/DB from occurring – 2-3 week matchups where everybody is having a good time and things are fairly balanced.

A system that allows “some” movement and “more” movement is good. WULD is too much volatility.

Gellor.6497:

If you have proof of noodles saying “We are wanting to buy guilds” then post it. None of this “we are farming gold to help transfers”…

Gellor I know how much you love DB and always defend it but I suggest you have a talk with Fuzzion, officers in [TW] or [Choo] as well as likely several other top Guilds out there.

This isn’t a “secret” because it was all over the T1 Thread a few weeks back.

Arkanfel.8403:

Asudementio.8526:

What you said explicitly states you think TC should be scrutinized for its server status going to full in the same that DB is for being a bandwagon destination. How is this anything other than an attempt at derision. It’s fine if it is but don’t play so innocent.

No, what that passage says is that DB is being ripped for increasing their population, and TC isn’t despite being full. DB is not (at least not that I’ve seen) but we’re the ones getting pooped on for some reason.

Pointing out a double standard should not be taken as an insult to the server, it should be taken as a smack on the nose to forum warriors. It just seems a little silly to me to mock DB for its population/turnout increase when it still has less than TC. I mean hell, TC is full right now and it’s 2pm EST on a weekday.

1) TC has often been FULL for the past 8 months – our Population Status rarely has anything to do with our WvW turn-out. Posting about it like it does just makes you look silly.

2) Most everybody I’ve talked to on TC has great respect for the original Dragonbrand Guilds and Players. The reason you are “feeling the heat” is because of how Rawnoodles has been going about his “campaign” to turn DB into his own personal T1 fiefdom. It took less than a week for him to post on these forums that he was an “Official Representative” of DB and he and [RE] at the very least are self-admittedly out there looking to “buy” Guilds.

Maybe [CO] wasn’t any part of that (most likely I’d guess) but you are getting lumped in with the dross just based on the timing of your switch and your attempts to defend something that is in fact happening.

Mayoken.9851:

I know last week I challenged both FA and TC I hang up on DB to try to beat us and you guys did wonderful. Props to TC for the win.

Thanks! Much appreciated!

Mayoken.9851:

FA great teamwork. Now, lets go back to each server not double teaming the other.

Wahahahahahaha! Epic Fail! Just undid all the positive vibes you added to the matchup.

Mayoken.9851:

For the next 2 weeks I’m in California on vacation and most of CO is going through training while I’m gone and may not be fielding everyday like we normally do.

I’m on the beach, enjoy the beginning of summer!!

Have a great vacation

Calvin.5380:

The core guilds from DB have mostly been fighting just the way they had been for many months. This scoreline is what we’d originally expected when we were coming to T2, before a handful new guilds joined DB.

Personally, I won’t mind flip-flopping between T2/T3, or even going back to T3. Time will tell about the new guilds that joined us – whether they stay, or bandwagon away to the next big thing. To me, it will hardly matter as long as our core stays.

Mad props to the “DB Core” – you guys have been classy, tenacious, and consistently out there fighting as always

Hickeroar.9734:

I still can’t get over the incredible number of players that DB seems to be able to field at one time. Running large zergs on three maps is making me green with envy!

Actually, it’s making DB Green…
(you can still have the “envy” though )

Jayne.9251:

Yeah but Lani was complaining about that when our guys apparently did it. My point really is that all servers are doing it. Personally I’m not overly ticked about it, it’s annoying sure, and there are ways to counter it, but I wanted to point out that the previous pages decrying this .. well you get what I’m saying.

Well after 3 or so weeks now the conclusions I’ve come to are:

• When TC does it… It’s Hackz!!!
• When DB does it… It’s Skillz!!!
• When FA does it… It’s only for the Loot Bagz!!!

(None of these comments are to be taken seriously nor are they truly representative of the Servers involved)

Evalana.5480:

Usagi.4835:

It’s official, I just bought my first trap but I’m so reluctant to use it frivolously.

I heard DB loves getting trapped.

Did they ‘fix’ arrowcarts?

Damage against Siege reduced ~50%

also: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Update-on-Arrow-Carts-in-WvW/first

Tearofsoul.9843:

I heard TC is coming out this reset. Is it true?!

Yes BT is transferring to TC so we can be the ultimate “RP Server just for the FIGHTS (and PPT)” :P

IRSyKo.5843:

Man…1st/2nd place TC is an entirely different entity when it comes to forum wars than 3rd place TC.

It’s somewhat eerie….

Not trollin, ust saying it’s somewhat nice.

Same can be said about FA.

You can credit it to the score or to the good job by all Servers of toning things down this week.

Oolune.4357:

It’s that time again, folks!

Happy reset eve!

Pure awesome!

Love your “Stick Figure Theatre” Oolune!

GabGar.4962:

37k makes me think FA and TC are suffering the Maguuma syndrome.

Not at all…

The score makes perfect sense in Context:
1) DB Super-Fired-UP this week with the transfers and move into T2
2) TC (especially) and FA both have strong PvE/PvX Communities who are all over the new Content that came out yesterday
3) Neither FA nor TC have huge SEA numbers – TC is still in the process of transferring in a few Guilds but we aren’t getting nearly the numbers people have thrown around

The only thing DB was lacking from being a dominant Server was NA Coverage and you have that now.

Let’s see how things play out for a few weeks?

Vespirisa.1497:

I thought it was Tarnished Tuesdays Where are all teh TC players. I see a lot of FA running around

We’re TC…

There was a Patch…
with PvE Content…
and a Mini-pet in the Gem Store…

We’ll be back…
Next week >.>

In order to provide a “true and accurate” analysis you also have to analyse how the Conditions in question are applied, how easy or hard it is to maintain the Conditions, and the benefits or costs of the Builds needed for that.

For example, my Axe/Shout Warrior can by himself sustain 10-12 stacks of Vulnerability and burst to 21-23 with “On My Mark” greatly increasing his damage. At the same time he can apply Bleeding from Crits and Off-Weapons if he so chooses.

On the other hand my Mesmer can maybe maintain 1-3 Stacks of Confusion occasionally Bursting to 10-12 for a 2-3 second window (you analysis also doesn’t take Condition Duration into account and Confusion has arguably the lowest Duration of any Condition in the game) and can only do that if using a Scepter which is an incredibly weak Main Hand Weapon. The only other Condition I really get out of my Build is Blind (which also received a Nerf in this Patch) so I have little to no “cover” for Confusion against strong Condition Clearing Builds.

In other words, yes looked at in a vacuum Confusion is still a very powerful Condition but in the overall context of how Mesmer Confusion Builds work this was a very heavy-handed Nerf with no offsets or benefits to a Condition Mesmer.

As others have said, a Nerf to Confusion was likely called for, but it really was a failing on ANet’s part to not provide any offset to keep a Condition Mesmer viable outside of a Zerg.

Tearofsoul.9843:

Rumor says SE tower is cursed, not only to TC, but FA as well

Haha!!! XD

We totally have to get the Golem and the Rams together!

drtoph.4857:

Great fights tonight on FABL. Thanks to everyone who came out, Agg, Tsi and Dis. I gotta ask though, what was up with the fast building on the Omega Golem inside the SE tower TC? You let us get the gate down, then let us take then high ground, then built an omega while we took down the lord. I think it is safe to say, we were all very confused. Particularly after we downed the golem just outside the gate. Anyhow, thanks for the fun times, keep that kind of thing up and I will rush home early from work everyday to make sure I can make our campaign time.

That Golem was…
um…
would you believe it was a super-secret-uber-PPT plan?

(so tonight we learned that yes there are things beyond “shame rams”)

Drakh.3128:

Just drop it already, it’s embarrassing and it’s getting in the way of some excellent discussions. This past weekend was truly some of the best action any of our servers have had. DB, loving the fight you guys brought. Keep it up please! These kinds of battles and maneuvering is why I love this game.

Just a friendly reminder – don’t respond just Report.

Regardless of Server, just report the Trolls.

You may now return to talking about how awesome and intense this matchup is.

Thanks!

Mister Mustard.7203:

Having been on DB a while, I’ve seen every server in this Tier field some massive zergs.

Are we seriously not past kittening about this already?

It would be really nice if we were.

There are many on all Servers in the tier that have been past it for months. Sadly there are some few that can’t seem to move on… /sigh

Personally I think DB has done a great job bringing it this weekend and it’s good to see FA making a strong showing today.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Aha.

That gives the Warrior a 5 second window to not only break your Aegis, but also take advantage of the boons you have. If you use something like LR, or Sword evades, or any of the number of the things the Ranger can use to avoid that follow-up hit, then you’re fine. The key is that it comes down to who outplays who in those 5 seconds.

Also my concern is more Zerg Vs Zerg than 1 v 1. If a Warrior outplays me great (though not that impressive I’m not a great duelist :P). What I don’t like is just how good this makes Rifle Warriors in the back of a Zerg. Combined with Piercing Shots that is a whole lotta Crit Damage blasting through a Zerg on a Profession with inherently better Armor and HP than a Ranger.

Ah, my Ranger has full Lyssa so I’m used to all Boons showing up
(+24% Damage (after Aegis eats one attack) is a lot scarier)

I still think this is a bigger impact than you think. Do you really think it makes sense that Full Zerker Rifle Warriors are going to be far superior back line fighters than Rangers?

It’s not like this change requires a Warrior to be more skillful in any way. It’s a Passive.

It punishes certain builds in insanely silly ways while the worst OP Buffs are still OP.

Aegis is arguably strengthened by this implementation as it will block all damage from an attack and disappear. Protection is still far and away a net gain.

But Traits that grant Vigor on Dodge? Lingering Group Swiftness? Micro-duration Boons like Mesmer Staff 1?

Not to mention what this does to Elites like the Ranger’s Rampage as One…

Maladon.5760:

ghtchill.7613:

Maladon.5760:

ghtchill.7613:

RISE is leaving, as far as I know, because their members want to be in T1. They are not fair-weather.

That’s pretty much the definition of fair-weather

Not really. But suit yourself.

They want to be in T1 but they don’t want to work to get there. Not sure how you can misunderstand that.

I’ve just spent 10 out of the past 11 weeks fighting KN in T2.

[RISE] always came out to fight, always put in the effort.

They had no control over WM taking the past 2-3 weeks off, or [CO]’s decision to transfer.

Nobody expects talented players to stick with their team when it is Relegated rather than transferring to another Premiership team. I don’t see any difference here. WvW is largely a game of Coverage and Numbers.

[RISE] has the opportunity to fight in T1 and they are choosing to take it. If most people on KN don’t have an issue with it I don’t see why anyone not on their Server should be attacking them over it.

I really wish they would’ve implemented it as as Boon Stripping rather than extra damage.

I expect KN to get a very nice “Green Bump” this week.

Your “Fairweather” players will be out because you are Green. You still have very good Coverage compared to Mags and YB.

In the meantime TC hasn’t lost any numbers and DB is coming out full force taking Rating from both TC and FA.

FA also tends to come out strong during the weekend and fade as the week goes on. They came back somewhat the past few weeks when KN was demoralized but they are now facing two strong and motivated Servers.

The advantage is certainly with KN this week. Don’t know if you will seize it but the opportunity is definitely there.

Furiousbeard.7602:

I had a good time last night in DB BL. Had some fun engagements with [rB] and [CYN] in some smaller scale fights.

Glad to see so many people out in wvw again and I had no idea DB had grown this much recently. The water in T3 must be pretty potent.

They “imported” water from T1
([RE] is a portion of [EMP] from JQ, [Agg] transferred from… I can’t keep up they move around so much, and a third Guild that is a small offshoot of BG’s [Icoa])

This isn’t a dig on Transferring BTW – DB has long needed more NA Coverage to help make them a balanced Server just as TC really needed SEA/Oceanic support.

I don’t think either Server is up to SoR or BG level of Coverage (let alone JQ nobody else has that :P ) but both TC and DB can at least provide some level of coverage 24/7 now making for good fights no matter when you log in

There is this part of the game called “PvE” and in it are people called “Farmers” who like to run around Gathering Mats (joking here – I know there are some WvWers who still don’t know what “Jormag” or “Orr” are ).

ANet is currently selling a limited-time Molten Mining Pick for 800 Gems in the Gem Store. It has Unlimited Uses. It is the “Nirvana” or “Holy Grail” for Farmers.

Since it was released, the Gold-For-Gems Exchange Rate has dropped roughly 10-15 Gems/1g. That makes it noticeably more expensive for people to farm Gold to cover their Transfer costs.

Hope this helps!

The “never runs out” Molten Mining Pick on the Gem Store has caused the Gold-to-Gems Exchange Rate to plummet.