Guild Wars 2

I have found one bug, sometimes when I use Renewed Focus I get elite mantra preparing sound “Justice, courage, resolve” I have it now too.

Brutaly.6257:

Why not add in 5 charges per Tome, if you use all of them the tome go on full cd. If not they recover charges over time and allow for instant swaping and no cd on swapping.

It would make tomes so much more interesting.

Every suggestion is better than we have now, but knowing anet there will be 5 sec cd reduction buff on all tomes, and 1% heal buff to f2 and dont forget some minor signet buff

Who would ever take those, Firebrand will use Traveler runes as usual cause hes slower than DH and Core guard together.

mazut.4296:

Brutaly.6257:

Btw, tome cd should start when you cast the tome. And the tome should be reset even if its active. Ie ToJ on kill.

No, because on top of the all standard effects and traits you also get 5 new skills per tome.

You should go to your main necro class forums and propose changes for scourge there.

When I sold Zap for 90 gold in 2012.

You just never do x10. X1 is much better solution.

Mercurias.1826:

I kind of like tomes the way they are. Renewed Justice from Radiance seems like an easy pairing with the Tome of Justice. It’s a Minor skill that ought to auto-recharge the tome if you drop it before something dies from all the fire you throw out. Renewed Focus should help with Tome upkeep also. Are they perfect? No, but I’d like a little more time to play with them before writing them off.

You should go play Holosmith if you thing FB is fine. I think ppl tested it enough and pretty much everyone had same answers and suggestions = FB is not that good, tomes and mantras are bad.

Skuzz.6580:

Tomes are fine.
You can always play an Engineer if you want instant kits…

dude go back to your ranger forum section and qq about soulbeast, leave guardian subforum alone.

Fashion Mage.3712:

RabbitUp.8294:

It’s another mechanic added to the game that’s thematic to guardian and is given to other classes only. It’s tradition at this point.

Guardians guarding? You’re nuts, that’s crazy. Obviously we should only get dps specs.

Even aegis become obsolete with all those unblockables and Firebrand get 5 sec of protection on f3 tome only. There should be way more protection on them especially on elite tome and maybe healing tome. FB must survive as melee condi/support dealer but without any proper defense it fails at job that he must be good at.

If they wont change tomes than they need to buff mantras and axe:

Axe symbol should pulse might or maybe quickness and instead of bleeding it should have torment.
heal and elite mantra should give protection for 3 sec and 5 sec final.
Mantra of potence should also give swiftness for 5 sec and 8 sec final.
Mantra of truth should give chill or slow.

Traits need rework especially grandmaster which 2/3 are awful.
Up line need all traits rework cause they are worst of their tiers.

But I am not expecting much cause guardians are in a good spot.

Kuya.6495:

Ragnarox.9601:

Kuya.6495:

Ragnarox.9601:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVgxqj_-ihU

scourge barrier, 10k perma barrier haha. Firebrand tomes would melt. FB is worst spec on 90 sec cd.

What are you even complaining about here?

I am complaining cause barrier should be guardian spec thing also, weaver got it why shouldn’t we?
Scourge is clearly better for support (you can see that in the video).

If you want barriers make a scourge.

What i don’t understand is why you’re acting as if anet killed your puppy by not giving firebrand something they never promised you.

And you still defending FB and asking nerfs to f2 and f3 of DH? Guess you need to go to your class subforum.

They said there were few mechanics of FB and they decided this with huge CD tomes so maybe they pick something else than this horrible design.

I prefer engineer kits (with no cd on tomes) instant abilities with medium cd of tome skills (range from 10 to 45 sec), pages regen of some sort and better heals and support than now.

What we will probably get:

Signet of mercy cd decreased to 120 s cd.
Sanctuary cd decreased to 60 cd
Wall of reflection cd decreased to 25 sec
Signet of courage cd decreased to 80 sec
RF cd increased to 120 sec
Traps nerf by 15%
Wings of resolve heal nerf by 20%

Kuya.6495:

Ragnarox.9601:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVgxqj_-ihU

scourge barrier, 10k perma barrier haha. Firebrand tomes would melt. FB is worst spec on 90 sec cd.

What are you even complaining about here?

I am complaining cause barrier should be guardian spec thing also, weaver got it why shouldn’t we?
Scourge is clearly better for support (you can see that in the video).

scourge barrier, 10k perma barrier haha. Firebrand tomes would melt. FB is worst spec on 90 sec cd.

Kuya.6495:

Tomes are fine. Cds, cast times and resource limitation allows counterplay. the tome on f1 ans f3 are also valuable. what other guardians need to stop doing is going in and fighting as if they were dh and diving right into the point. guardians players unfortunately also tend to be lower in skill because they’ve grown used to the simple game mechanics guardian and dh allowed, so they’re not used to actually having to think when using a specific tome might be a good idea rather than spamming tomes during combat like a madman in a rush to use up all cds (because that’s all they ever did on dh).

The only tome that needs work is the f2 since it feels like a waste of time to use it. it’s supposed to be for condi cleanse and healing, but the heal values are too low for skills with so much cast time and resource limitations while the condi cleanse isn’t impactful enough to make it worth using over spamming resistance from f3 while you use mantra of lore. They need to at least considering putting more tools to handle conditions such as resistance on f2

Another problem on firebrand is the mantra range as far as support is concerned. mantras work well for yourself but for supporting allies it’s way too difficult to land them correctly. additionally while i like the mantra heal, i would also have the heal apply to allies near you and not just the aegis to further emphasize the role of firebrand as support/condi.

Finally, axe symbol needs work. it either needs to be faster or it needs a better payoff, whether that comes in the form of higher bleed stacks, quickness or burns i leave to the balance devs.

If tomes are fine we need skill 3 to be blast so we can blast those fields. Its stupid use #4 combo field and then go out to blast with hammer while 60,90 sec cd.

Tomes are not made good.

I tested firebrand with celestial and was ok killing few mobs at a time. Havent tried zerker or similar dps gear tho. In pve it could be fun with almost 100% quickness uptime….but they may nerf guardian/dh/fb cause of its reputation. Everything can be good in pve.

Firebrand even loses to core guard. Its worst elite cast time spec. And those 90 sec haha. Laughable. Deadeye sees you locks you and you try to use f3 for reflect, 3/4 cast time another 3/4 for bubble but you already took 16k dmg. Its thr same for f2 heals and cleanses. Bad design for a melee spec. Melee and long cast times big cds are not going together, not even quickness will help that . Tomes should be like engie kits but with bigger cds on tome skills and usable as you like with no 90 sec cd lockouts.

TheShniper.1852:

Every forum has some sort of post like this. How are people making reliable judgements on the class in ither modes besides pvp? This class brings amazing visuals along with pve power if perma quickness. Whivh could replace a mesmer in high lvl content. Firebrand bas great aegis application. You cant really tell what the dps will be like due to pvp gear but i was able to keep perma quickness with vipers and just 15% boon duration. The tomea are fine. With quickness the cast times are pretty much gone so it doesnt matter to much. I do not think this will be good in spvp. I do believe it will be great in wvw. But only time will tell. People have been making negative judgements to quick.

this is good on paper, beautifull visuals do not make elite better. So if I am using Sunrise you think I am better player cause of it? haha. I tested it in wvw and pvp, same thing while you get wrecked more often in wvw. I am not negative, I tested it and it sucks. (and Ive seen 95% ppl have negative judgement too so they dont know to play their class? yea right)
Tomes are not fine.

Brutaly.6257:

i tested with both celestial and trailblazer with travaler runes in burn builds in wvw and pvp and i say trailblazers. 20 k health and over 3300 in toughness while almost maixing out condition damage.

Celestials might be nice if you go into honor and take advantage of the healing power or if you trait in zeal for might on the scepter. But if so we are taliing about power builds

I have both in ascended in heavy and i played my guardian a bit the last two weeks and i have to say a burn build with trailblazers is just one tough kitten to kill and can stack burns.

But if only one set is possible in the future as well i have to say celestial, it opens up more options and build diversity.

I was testing celestial build with sinister weapons (i think) plus valor boon heal trait. Was healing 85 for every boon i give. 3k armor and 42% crit but had 1850 power only. It could work if they rework tomes to be kits and pages like initiative regen. Firebrand is clunky and underpowered if you dont go full condy and pray gods that you put 15 burning before they kill you. Hoping for good rework cause 90% class reviews are bad for firebrand.

viper in wvw, viper does not have vitality and you will die too quickly.

I am planing to make celestial cause I was playing it in the test and looks ok plus they will probably buff firebrand cause it was trash tier.
F1 time was awesome on celestial firebrand and all other stats are good for healing toughness.

but before that I suggest you wait for ppl to test them out when expansion comes. Dont rush. save mats for later.

yea aegis is in the good spot too

/sarcasmoff

Crinn.7864:

Ragnarox.9601:

Scourge as a support can deal huge amount of dmg, and can 1v1 solo anyone. Firebrand on the other hand….cant.

Scourge can’t 1v1. Secondly the damage scourge was doing was a bug with how dhuumfire was interacting with the F skills.

Scourge as per the dev’s own quotes, is supposed to be a support and it support is based on barriers. Giving guardians barrier share would mean that scourge would be irrelevant since scourge only brings barriers, while Firebrand brings heals, boons, on top of barriers.

Guardian can bring better boons and heals and firebrand only brings big cds and cone mantras.

Scourge as a support can deal huge amount of dmg, and can 1v1 solo anyone. Firebrand on the other hand….cant.

No jormag dye kit this year tho. …. that sucks.

Cause guardian is in a good spot, firebrand is in there too.

If they do that with no weapon swapping axe should have dmg like scrapper’s hammer. F’s than need to be instant and vastly op.

Ramoth.9064:

Ragnarox.9601:

Yea but you hit like wet noodle with 150% crit dmg and no condi pressure. I played celestial in wvw and its not bad.

Valkyrie gives lots of ferocity iirc. It’s power, ferocity and vit.

I forgot, was reading soldiers, need to get some proper sleep.

Yea but you hit like wet noodle with 150% crit dmg and no condi pressure. I played celestial in wvw and its not bad.

Skuzz.6580:

You seem to mix things up… In the last bit I was talking about the Cone effects… which in itself has nothing to do about the Mantra pre-casting.

“The devs themselves said that you would have to move back every time you wanted to cast the mantras”
Well yea, to CAST the mantra, you’d better not try that in the midst of combat, good luck trying to cast a 2.5sec spell… The mantra usage itself when it is already cast can be done in the mits of combat,
- Ooh 2 guys on my right need healing, I turn my camera some degrees and use my CONE spell..
Seriously, how hard is it to understand this type of play style… and why am I even trying to help you understand.

And if you think a heavy armored class with aegis, protection, stability, and retaliation at its disposal should be on the same power level “healing wise” as a ranged medium armor class that can heal, quickness, fury (more offensive instead of defensive boons) then you sir, need to re-evaluate.

Applying Aegis is like healing someone for 5-10k, yes Aegis is that strong, think about that next time you want to compare them with Druids.

Honestly, the effects themselves are more than fine if not even on the strong side.

Problem with cones is that they miss if you are not on the same ground, slight change of hight misses your heal and dmg and mantra. Thats the problem. Aegis is not 10k strong. Its like comparing Tome F2 skills to celestial avatar, cannot be compared cause CA always win. They need to change cone to do dmg and heal in y axis too.

And I found new bug, casting RF elite brings voice of Firebrand elite haha.

Time gated ascended gear should be brought down, its 2017 like everyone and their mother have ascended gear by now….its plain stupid and this needs to change.

Zalarious.9168:

I don’t see how people are having issues with healing using firebrand. I consistently got 500k+ healing every pvp match. I even managed to get up to 748k (proud of that one).

Pics or didnt happen.

Yea I agree with you regarding Tomes, they are locked behind 4 resources, BIG CD of Tomes, CD of skills, Books and Long Cast times.

Very bad for melee supportive/condi dmg.

Plus very bad mobility.

Juular.4729:

Time to nerf guard across the board.

Spellbreaker not fun? awwwww feel bad br0

Holosmith is best pvp spec in pof followed by deadeye and spellbreaker.

Scourge is best spec in wvw.

Havent tested mirage nor soulbeast.

Firebrand is trash in all game modes except in part which we do dmg to golem (poor guy).

They should nerf heal and dmg little, 10-20%. Spellbreaker is freaking beast.

Firebrand

Mantras:
Mantra of solace (heal)- was fine, maybe buff heal by 100-200hp.
Mantra of flame – feel underwhelming.
Mantra of lore – love those condi removals.
Mantra of truth – not bad giving those condies but lacks CHILL condition.
Mantra of potence – ok at giving quickness also good might giver.
Mantra of liberation (elite) – while it breaks stuns and giving stability this should also give 3 sec of PROTECTION and final 5 sec of PROTECTION.

While mantras are luckluster cause they are cone oriented and only in x-axis, I had problems dmg ppl on little higher or lower terrain.

AXE:
After testing it they need to increase dmg of autoattacks by 20%.
Symbol is BUGGED cause hes dmg was way too low and nothing near the tooltip compared to mace symbol dmg.
Pull is also luckluster if someone is on little higher or lower terain it will miss every time to pull ppl.

TRAITS

Adept:
Unrelenting Criticism – instead of bleeding they shuld introduce 3rd condition – torment and instead of daze give immobilize.
Liberator’s Vow – feels powerfull and effective (maybe 10 sec cd)
Archivist of Whispers – never used this, worst ability of those above

MASTER:
Weighty Terms – feels hugely underwhelming, immobilize? I rather would see swiftness buff for 8 sec every mantra use.(this should help ppl at mobility)
Stalwart Speed – best trait in this line
Legendary Lore – its good in group play and thats it, nothing special.

GRANDMASTER
Stoic Demeanor – pretty luckluster for grandmaster – give chill or daze also.
Quickfire – very good at group play
Loremaster – worst trait of them all.

Notable mention:
MINOR GRANDMASTER
Imbued Haste – this dont belong here (Gain increased attributes while affected by quickness.) I mean if you do not trait for quickness you dont get any benehit of those…pretty weird trait.

TOMES:

TOME OF JUSTICE:

Chapter 1: Searing Spell – pretty powerfull spell, but its a cone attack so dmg ppl above or below you is NOT POSSIBLE.
Chapter 2: Igniting Burst – range 240, useless.
Chapter 3: Heated Rebuke – not bad, but could use to pull ppl toward us.
Chapter 4: Scorched Aftermath – very good aoe dmg.
Epilogue: Ashes of the Just – very good in group play.

TOME OF RESOLVE:
Chapter 1: Desert Bloom – could use some buff, again CONE heal spell that dont heal allies on higher or lower terrain.
Chapter 2: Radiant Recovery – another cleansing skill
Chapter 3: Azure Sun – this needs to be BLAST to blast water field. (and maybe daze)
Chapter 4: Shining River – could use some healing buff.
Epilogue: Eternal Oasis – good in group play

TOME OF COURAGE:

Tome of Courage – ok skill but again terrible CONE effect that wont buff allies on higher and lower terrain.
Chapter 2: Daring Challenge – 240 range taunt, USELESS
Chapter 3: Valiant Bulwark – BUGGED reflecting allies and enemies projectiles
Chapter 4: Stalwart Stand – good skill for group play.
Epilogue: Unbroken Lines – very good skill granting stability.

Lets summ it up:
Axe could use dmg buff and SYMBOL is BUGGED, axe pull dont work properly or its luckluster with current playstyle.
Mantras could use swiftness buff on their trait plus elite could use protection for some dmg mitigation. Some mantras need buffs like chill.
Tomes, oh man tomes, those cast times are ridiculous. Tomes should be instant, there were so many times that i press f1,f2,f3 and they dont react cause of wvw skill lag or something so pressing twice bring them to long cast times. This should be instant or 1/2 or even 1/4.
Loooooooooong cooldowns – they should be 20 35 50 (without virtue line if they wont buff or change them).
Some traits are horrible and will never be taken.

Overall Firebrand is fun but not that effective cause of CONE (only x axis) dmging abilities and mantras and LONG COOLDOWNS of tomes. It will be great in raids and pve, but needs serious buffs in pvp or wvw if they want it to be competitive.

For a melee condi/support it lucks mobility (maybe his runes will give 25% movement speed) but its very slow clunky and weird and not effective in wvw and pvp.

CptAurellian.9537:

Ragnarox.9601:

mazut.4296:

How wide is the cone? Is it 90? I Didn’t test Guard much

yup plus if your enemy is on little higher or lower ground tome cone skills wont touch them. Awful firebrand design.

Are you sure it’s even 90 °? I rather had the impression it’s just 60 °.

I think its 90 but only on x axis, little higher or lower terrain and your f’s cone autoattack miss and your mantra miss. Weird mechanic.

Free for all arena and unranked? Thats no good way to show firebrand. But I agree this has lots of potential and lots of wonky mechanics that needs to be taken care of.

But we will if our change will be nerfing of DH to be in line of FB or they will actually change something.

I waited to see Firebrand elite and now I dont think will be prepurchasing expansion cause guardian elite is the worst , well maybe not worst cause of renegade but awfully disagned so far.

mazut.4296:

How wide is the cone? Is it 90? I Didn’t test Guard much

yup plus if your enemy is on little higher or lower ground tome cone skills wont touch them. Awful firebrand design.

Anyone noticed when casting F1 1# skill on enemy on little higher or lower ground there is no dmg whatsoever? kitten more and more things that dont work on firebrand. Awfull elite spec.

Cone skills are bound to x-axis, y-is non existant. If someone is on elevated ground skills wont dmg anyone, nor axe 3# pull. Thats a shame. Such limited and bad elite spec.

Nerf DH cause FB is bad, make them same level))

Assic.2746:

Mysticjedi.6053:

Kind of more of the same.

Tomes feel really important to the specialization and so should work more like elementalist attunements with a shorter cooldown. Maybe have pages charge in some way.

We can’t have such powerful skills on so short CD. Otherwise tome skills would be nerfed into oblivion. If I have to choose I choose to have a powerful skill on long CD rather than a garbage one on a short CD.

Problem is that they are now garbage with big cd’s.

I hate tomes, when i need only reflect pop F3 use dome skill and get out of it i got 90 sec cd. And I dont like that. Tomes are stupid cause you must use all pages cause you do that or go out on big cd. Tomes should be like engie kits with skills cd’s and thief initiative regen. And god awful cast times….its impossible in wvw and pvp where fast pace is path to win. Plus no blocks on tomes and low heal. Elite mantra should give protection. And some traits need to ne changed and buffed. … In current state I dont think I will buy expansion cause DH is still better.

Nick.6972:

If I recall correctly, devs said that Firebrand went through many iterations and changes during the development.
I guess they just didn’t know what to do with Guardian, but I wonder what made them stop at what we have now.

Well there may have been(100% sure) beter iterationas but they don’t belong to our beloved “good spot” like firebrand does now

Brutaly.6257:

Doesnt mattor what they said on the stream. I used all the mantras in pvp except the offensive ones (which do have cone damage) and all of them give boons to allies behind me. No matter what tooltips or streams have stated.

I use a burnbuild with AH use 4 mantras and SyG (extra stun break, stability, quickness and in total 7 applikations of boons that trigger. With 2 allies that heals for 1k. Add in the support mantras, the elite and healing mantra and er are talking about over 10k self heals that can be casted in 2sec.

Stop watching streams and play the game ????

10k selfheals in 2 sec hahaha I’ve read enough.

Brutaly.6257:

The self sustain in FB in a proper group is very undeestimated, it is better then a medi build tbh. an Valor/virtues FB dont have to be carried at all and has serious condiburst as well.

With that said it needs some improvements to casting times etc. Support mantras might be bugged in beta but they all have 360 aoe.

No, they said in stream, mantras are all come oriented and some tome skills are cone too. Self sustain are not good enough, F2 3rd skill need to be blast so it can blast that water field, that would be more effective support(druid also have blast).

The irony is that Firebrand is melee oriented support/condi but it cant stay alive soon cause its mantras are cone oriented and 300 range and not even 1 defensive stuff to protect themselves.(elite mantra need protection for 3 sec after every use and 6 sec for final)
I hope they wont nerf DH cause DH is far more superior than Firebrand (healing and blocks).
Firebrand needs total rehaul of tome skills cause Tomes are locked in 4 types of resource=book ammo, huge tome cd, tome cd skills and long cast times. That wont work for melee brawler at all.

I hope they wont nerf DH cause with DH I pretty much wrecked every Firebrand in pvp in few seconds, but knowing Anet maybe thats what they will do.

Chistorm.5196:

RabbitUp.8294:

Chistorm.5196:

You also forget that 33 percent plus two sigil giving addition 20% plus another 10% from food and another 10%+ healing outing from utility. That 33% is also effective healing so not only going to help you but also your allies heals as well and it’s duration matches the cd so it can be 100% uptime.

Everyone has access to these runes, food and utilities, so why mention them at all? And it’s not 100% uptime when the tome itself has 45s cooldown.

Firebrand has pathetically low healing, it’s not up for debate. Dragonhunter has better healing, and between Indomitable Courage and Stand Your Ground, we have more than enough stability already.

So tomes are nice to have and the fact that it’s not on 30 second duration is amazing. You can sit in one tome forever until you use or swap

Sit in the tome and do what, enjoy the visuals? You get 5 pages either way.

I would rather have a limited duration and unlimited casts.

Another person who don’t realize it not just about HEALING but both support and condition cleansing. One why would anyone run DH oh for a wing of resolve heal that it? Core guard is great and firebrand can finally replace valor with honor and virtues as the two set traits. I don’t care for how much the more DH heals, it can’t match up to firebrand condition cleanses and oh did you forget you get 8 pages when traited? People need to learn to how to use classes then to look on meta battle for set builds. I ran core core for WvW and I would never run DH for a support/boon when AI heal and recharge on res and extra toughness for me and allies

You realize that i have 1000 healing power and i heal for 300 hp more than base heal.
That heal wont save anyone nor me.

They are all cones.