Guild Wars 2

We need F4, tome of saving. Activating this tome you blow yourself up while healing to full 10 allies, giving them all boons for 10 sec. This should be usefull and great tome.

Its slightly worse than firebrand, but they both are in “a good spot” now. xD

F2 3rd skill should be blast, cause you can use combo water field 4 than blast 3.

SkipOne.8430:

I dont think, that condi is that bad. I can get 20 stacks of fire on the enemy in like 1-2 seconds. I tried to spike with the guard here my results:

https://youtu.be/EyOWZMiu9Mg

Yea, but you die fast when someone even notices you.

on kill sigils works same way, if you dont have them equipped on underwater weapons they instantly reset in the water.

you must put mantras underwater too.

Yea Firebrand feels like pre HoT DH when he was garbage, I expect some serious buffs to tomes and elite mantra to give protection cause we lack protection badly, and swiftness.

Firebrand is great in first 10 sec while preparing and casting mantras, in 11th sec he dies painfully.

FB is in current state like DH was pre hot, garbage, and I hope it will get some buffs.

Base mantra heal is 1400 but with sage amulet is 1600 haha so weak.
Elite mantra should give protection for 3 sec after every use and final giving aegis.
Condition mantra should give chill also.
Tomes need huge rework, they are bad in this state.(too much regeneration too little direct heals which is useless on still low hp class).
F3 without block….

Grandmaster traits need rework.

This is unfinished elite.

Nerf DH!! Nerf traps…oh wait…nerf Wings of resolve!!!

Firebrand is trash. You die faster than necro and you are focused all the times because of that. Copper league warrior.

Alteran.9510:

jief.2509:

Alteran.9510:

The main problem with mantras is that you won’t hit any friend of your party.
The enemy is in front of you but all your allies stand next or behind you. So how do you want to give them aegis, stability, condition cleanse, quickness,…?

They don’t need more range, they need to be a 360 AoE.

Turn your character and get as many as you can? I see a lot of people bringing this up and there are other games that have this mechanic and this is what you do, back up a little and turn then go back to dps.

Of course you can do that. Chasing your teammates without having a single bit of speed. Someting guards lacks since 2012.

But but…traveler runes… haha this should rename into Guardian runes.

I wish tomes played like proper kits that we can go in and out of them in a need, and not go into them and wait for 90 sec cd. I wish tome skills get higher cd but at the cost of no tome cd. So if i need to convert some condies into boons i take F2 use #5 (which has 35 sec cd) get out of tome and do some dps. Plus book ammo should recharge like mantras, 12-15 sec 1 book. Like initiative of thief. It could be effective and more supportive and complicated. And not stuck in one tome for 5 skills and than 90 sec cd. This sucks.

Arnath.2319:

I’m fine with it being bad in PvP if it’s strong in PvE, which it is, so stop complaining before you make it bad in both PvP and PvE.

lol how do you know its great for pve if this is pvp wvw testing…kitten whiteknights..

Vabi is farmed by Gandara for 2 weeks.

Razor.9872:

Cries in Soulbeast

Firebrand trying to cheer you up but his mantra fails cause you are not in his cone.

Luclinraider.2317:

This post needs to be removed by the mods.

This post has done nothing but try and maliciously overstate the possible damage that can be done in order to have a class that is actually fairly underpowered already, nerfed.

Please read Sly’s post above. With this setup, an auto attack from almost any class would likely crit for around 30-40k. It’s a scenario that is entirely impossible to replicate in actual play. If I had done this exact set up on my warrior with Thousand blades I likely could have pushed around 250k damage.

The fact is the Average #4 on DE usually only has around 2-3 malice stacks and crits for around 4-8k.

So make a video with warrior doing 125k. This is evidence not some “with that i can do this and that”. Stop defending broken build.
Go to youtube you will find similar dmg videos with deadeye.

Firebrand is worst elite spec in pof for wvw and pvp. Maybe one step higher than renegade.

I dont know why are you defending this, even with toughness gear and protection it would do 50k+ dmg.

You lost me with that mid range .. 300 is not mid range. Especially melee attacks.

But but how, everyone was hyped for it, “dont judge until you played id”, " the tooltips cant be that bad be positive", “why are you so negative” they said. Well boys and girls now you know pls dont cry so much I am getting dced so often cause your tears are making me lag aswell. :p

Yes you are.

/15char

And crying begins...i told you that firebrand is bad design, and ppl were defending it. Yes its fun fresh but when ppl start to farm you in pvp and wvw fun goes away pretty quick. Prepare for some nerfs too, cause thats guardian destiny, always in a good spot

Bugs- casting mantras for first time do not trigger character voice(which i do like)

Tried it in pvp with sage amulet.(power,vit,condi and heal pow)
I am being destroyed by holosmith insane dmg, spellbreaker insane dmg, mirage insane dmg and deadeye insane burst. Such unbalanced pvp.

We need definetely protection for 4 sec on elite, F2 heals should be better (with sage I am healing so low numbers)
F2 3rd skill needs to be blast.
F3 huge cooldown.

Mantra with condies should give chill also.
Quickness mantra needs swiftness buff also.

I feel weak in pvp.

So its ok to be in stealth and do 35k dmg, I cant believe you are defending this, 11k hp or not this should not exist.

Well after some testing in wvw here are my thoughts:

F1 is ok maybe they will nerf it.

F2 need some slight changes:
– 3 needs to have blast effect so we can do 4 (waterfield) -> 3 (similar to druid)
- heals are not that strong, in celestial I heal 850 with skill 1 so at least we need some blast to blast that water.

F3 have enormous cd, it needs to be shaved a bit.

Mantras: well they are fun but elite needs aegis like heal. Its nothing special to take instead RF. or at least some protection + swiftness not on final.

Axe symbol could give swiftness as a boon.

Mantra trait is not that good compared to giving quickness buff to party.

Legendary lore trait should be grandmaster and with slight buffs, tome cd trait should swap places with it.

Well after some testing in wvw here are my thoughts:

F1 is ok maybe they will nerf it.
F2 need some slight changes:
– 3 needs to have blast effect so we can do 4 (waterfield)→3
- heals are not that strong, in celestial I heal 850 with skill 1 so at least we need some blast to blast that water.
F3 have enormous cd, it needs to be shaved a bit.

Mantras: well they are fun but elite needs aegis like heal. Its nothing special to take instead RF. or at least some protection + swiftness not on final.

Mantra trait is not that good compared to giving quickness buff to party.
Legendary lore trait should be grandmaster and with slight buffs, tome cd trait should swap places with it.

Obtena.7952:

RabbitUp.8294:

Baseleader.4128:

Just goes to show how ppl love to whine on the forums. Firebrand looked very good, loads of new stuff, high condi DPS, lot of support. It’s gonna be a beast in WvW

“loads of new stuff, lot of support”

If you can’t specify, it just goes to show you have no leg to stand on. We know every single skill and trait of firebrand, we don’t need a dev stream to wow at.

Yes, it looked good burning those low health golems. Did you see it in wvw getting boonstripped to hell and blown up in seconds? Did you see it in raids being a watered-down chrono? Did you see it in pvp trying to fight at 300 range with no mobility or defences?

Why do people assume that the spec was even built for PVP/WvW focus? We already know from past experience that Anet isn’t doing this. For example, scrapper was a PVP focused spec. It doesn’t even make sense to say that the spec isn’t good because it doesn’t do this or that. That’s been true of the game since day one with the core professions.

So FB is meant to be raiding spec, for 5% ppl? Compared to DH which is raid, wvw,pvp this is then straight downgrade and that is not good. Guardians are ignored so many years.

And look Weaver and Scourge got new barrier mechanic, ok for scourge but why weaver, they have so many defensive stuff + healing, this will make them gods, and guardian does not get barrier at all. Such an irony.

phokus.8934:

Irino failed at designing Firebrand. I don’t understand how they can overlook the obvious that Guardian’s need.

Noone understands guardian cause we are in a good spot from 2012.
Firebrand seems excellent on static golem. They forgot that ppl move in wvw and pvp…. Plus 300 cone….. Its like staff nerf, FB is condi turtle lootstick.

haha sooo following stream for Firebrand:

-Firebrand mantras are cone and not 360 aoe -> cone 300 range. -1
-Tomes have huge cd’s – I am worried you cant cast skills while walking -1
- Huge fire dmg on F1 to Heavy golem. +1
- No defensives, its gonna be glass canon not a tank, do dmg or die there is no escape. -1
- Again no movement speed (wish they add rune of the lynx then to wvw and pve https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Lynx) -1
- I’ll probably go for celestial armor combo for wvw.
- They did not show 4th mantra.
- RF still better than elite. -1
- F2 heal is not that great. -1
- Heal still sucks.

We will see tomorrow.

The stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/167733328?t=15m00s

We are in a good spot, barrier only can get their babies like elementalist and mesmer.

kitten so much ppl loving firebrand but dont even read the tooltips of skills, I swear if they listen to this ppl on friday you can say goodbye to him in pvp and wvw.

Tenrai Senshi.2017:

I have a few concerns with firebrand. Flavor wise I actually think it’s quite cool, but aside from that, there’s a lot that doesn’t’ seem very practical.

- The first is the huge cooldown on tomes, which will limit their use quite drastically. Considering this is one of the highlights of the elite spec, it’s a bit sad to see such high cooldowns.

- Next is the fact that if we swap out DH, we basically lose what little mobility we had with wings of resolve, and get nothing to compensate for it. There are still no movement speed traits, and no new forms of mobility offered (I would have been happy if one of our mantras was just a short range teleport). I still see no reason why the devs neglect mobility for guardians, when every other class has much better access to it.

- Lastly, with the loss of DH, we also lose our active shield, which was a key factor in staying alive with Guardian in many situations. Couple this with the above mentioned loss of mobility, the lack of movement speed and the fact that Axe itself offers no forms of mobility or gap closers at all, and it becomes hard to imagine how we’d cope with a melee condition oriented build. (Sure, we get a pull to replace a gap closer, but pulls are less reliable and can be countered by stability, whereas gap closers are much more reliable as engage tools).

All-in-all, I can see Firebrand being great with a few tweaks, but right now it feels like a great idea that has not been 100% implemented well. Perhaps the beta weekend will change my opinion though.

Thats why I dont get this spec, it supposed to be melee condi/support spec but with no active defenses with 300 range mantras with no movement trait nor boon (except final elite for crappy 5 sec swiftnes), 1400 heal per heal mantra use (1400+1400+1800=4600heal), axe symbol cripple(which is worst cause some classes are immune to them).
Tomes are 30,60,90 cd with maybe 2000 heal in f2(all 5 skills used) no block in f3.

After this test weekend when ppl will realize how firebrand has no survival I suggest:

Mantra trait gives 5 sec of swiftness on all mantras baseline.(this will make firebrand finally good movement elite)
All tomes act like engineer kits(you can go inside or out as you like but when you use it for the first time u use stablity and stun break of a virtue and virtues (not tomes) go on 90 sec recharge.)
F3 reflect bubble also acts like ward so noone can go inside it.
F1 needs to be nerfed cause of Kit change.
Add trait that gives protection for 3 sec after aegis has been used.
Add superspeed to some F3 skill
Increase cd’s of tome skills.

This will make this class desirable and complicated.

“To make your firebrand a supporting healer, consider taking the Loremaster and Archivist of Whispers traits. These will allow you to use Tome of Resolve—and its significant healing skills—more frequently.”

source:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/developer-diary-elite-specializations/

60 sec more frequently hahaha

Sarie.1630:

Ragnarox.9601:

Heh be lucky if they dont nerf DH cause firebrand will be worse than base guardians so compensation is to nerf DH to the ground. (look at staff nerf, totally not needed and they did it anyways).

Just because Firebrand is likely to be a more supportive elite spec doesn’t necessarily mean that DH will be nerfed. DH is clearly meant to be a direct damage specialisation. I think when we have 3-4 elite specs per profession we will begin to see real differentiation between them and they will allow a profession to further specialise into a particular job.

I share your cynicism to a point. Maybe they will be tempted to nerf DH to make Firebrand look better in terms of damage. I imagine ArenaNet wont want Guardians to feel like there is nothing in PoF for them if all they want to do is play power based builds. I hope they don’t nerf DH though, and I don’t think they need to. It’s completely acceptable for an old elite spec to remain good in PvE and for a new elite spec to shine in other areas of the game, such as raids, fractals and WvW.

5% of game community raids. Me personally dont like raids, they are borring, no real rewards compared to time invested, plus Anet gave us legendary armor iv wvw and pvp so ppl dont need to grind this anymore.

Second if elite spec is only capable of making an impact is fractals and raids, then guardians got really kittenty spec to play with. (mesmer and druids are and will stay kings of raids)

In wvw I dont see it get used, cause bunker guard is better, cause it has better cd’s, better utilities and quickness is not that good in wvw cause of boon corruption and everything, especially with staff nerfs, only thing matters in wvw is protection and stability. Firebrand has long cd’s of virtues, everything is 3/4 cast time which isnt good in any type of competitive or pvp environment (especially when you have PoF classes now who can cc you to death while doing insane dmg). Plus guardian is worst at mobility and for a firebrand melee this is not a good news.

Anyways we will see on friday, but frankly I dont see a good use of firebrand, too slow, too much 3/4, awfull cd’s, no blocks except aegis (which is useless due to so many pof and hot unblockables), no teleports, etc etc…

Heh be lucky if they dont nerf DH cause firebrand will be worse than base guardians so compensation is to nerf DH to the ground. (look at staff nerf, totally not needed and they did it anyways).

Map was gorgeaus.
Mount is awesome.
Mobs are new and fresh.

Sometimes fps problems.
Money sink in identify armors.
No heart specific armor types(we need more armors).
No mount riding music(love those in ff14)
Too much condi oriented expansion.

Fashion Mage.3712:

phokus.8934:

RabbitUp.8294:

phokus.8934:

Where are you guys seeing that it’s in a frontal cone?

The image shows a 360’degree radius with a center indicating that it’s not a frontal cone ability to me.

That’s just the symbol for range, it’s not meant to match the hitbox.

All mantras are 300 range cones, like the nerfed Staff 1.

All mantras are not cones and the one’s that are specifically say “… in front of you.”

If they aren’t cones, then half of them wouldn’t say “Do X/Y/Z to allies in front of you”, and they would also have a radius skill fact instead of a range skill fact. They’re definitely cones.

I’m glad they’re cones, just for the sake of spiting people who actually like the firebrand.

I dont think an ARK would save guardian subforum from all those tears in 4 days. 20% of pve guardians would still say that its fun

Ulion.5476:

I guess no one has though about the amount of healing/support a firebrand can do. Firebrand/soulbeast/holosmith seems like a good 3man group. They have multiple pulls, reflects, quickness and a lot of melee boons. Theirs going to be a lot of testing once the next beta comes out.

Firebrand will be dead if 1 enemy targets you. No survivability at all.

Tongku.5326:

Klipso.8653:

The Condi meta is and has been overwhelming power.

While we have toughness to mitigate power, the closest thing we have to Condi mitigation is having our revs spam resistance.

I suggest a new stat that functions the same way as toughness does, but for Condi damage.
This will require players to evenly split both stats to gain survivability. Having toughness act as a catch-all for both would make it too strong, but if there’s 2 different stats players had to choose between then it would be balanced.

hello from power rev, power guard, power scrapper, power druid, power mes

also, l2p from the above, and i have the builds for the classes i didn’t mention, just not enough time to play them.

srry but power dmg you can predict cause they have animations, while most of condi skills are not visible until you get crap ton of condies on yourself. Not all classes have resistance.

But they are poushing lazy gameplay design called condition wars, wvw is a mess.
Guess why 99% necros running condition builds…

KGUN.8374:

You realize we’re getting tomes.. right?

tome skills with cast times plus cast time of actual tome. That will work well, not.

Designer of firebrand cant choose if its 300 ,600 cone or aoe. So many bad designed traits and skills. Such a mess. Wish mantras gave superspeed or swiftness on activation. But hey it feels like slow tank but it isnt(tank), support but it isnt (300 range), melee condi which probably is.

Wish we can toggle weapons while riding.

Casting times are bad, just look at mace symbol and hammer symbol. Noone use those weapons.

Positive: everything
Negative: fps drops from 45-0 often, tried low and high/ultra same thing.

Cloud Windfoot Omega.7485:

this has had the worst fps i have ever had in the game… frequently at 0 fps too (which will make achievements impossible)

I just made some screens showing huge fps drops.
p.s. I dont have fps spikes in HoT maps.

Map looks excellent but….

My fps seems to drop from 44 to 2 every now and then. I had this fps drop only im mid part of silverwastes when I am going from red to yellow fort. Tried on low or ultra was the same.

Anyone with similar problem?

Aeolus.3615:

Ragnarox.9601, i had those issues as well once in a while, not only after the latest patch, ive been killed by melee a few times in RF animation as well.
And ive noticed players commenting the same on TS.

I died from melee too but something is wrong with this skill. Its like 30% chance to fail.

Join TS you dont need listen what he says, I often have music on and just following zerg. They kick all players who are not on TS, so if you deaf just join TS and play your style.

Hicci.8761:

Ragnarox.9601:

I died couple of times casting my RF while dude weas just putting condies on me like I was not invulnerable.

RF doesn’t prevent condition damage. Also this thread was about dragons maw. Don’t go off-topic.

I know how RF works I just wanted to point out that sometimes when you cast RF you are still tagged with new condies.

I dont have problems with dragon maw with ppl dodging out.