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Axe felt really horrible to play with during the tests. Something about it just wasn’t right.

I really like firebrand, but the animation locks on some of the abilities will pose quite a problem in quick paced play I think.

There are several problems with the axe. The visuals don’t match the attack range at all. It looks similar to Ele’s Lightning Whip (300 range), but it has less than half that (130 range). Then add the delayed blue axe swing to that, and it just feels clunky.

The super long cast time on #2 is thew cherry on top.

Yea that axe blue visual and sound gets pretty annoying while having quickness…

Ill rather see some blue trail without sound or something similar.

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Waypointing or gliding to escape combat...

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They should put no gliding in combat.

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Delete Firebrand give us Purifier.

Pay to play each map?? Really??

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Teleport to friend dont work? If thats true than bummer.

Your Firebrand build?

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http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRAne8dnsADNCj1BDGBDkCjFGCLr+kf6PXFrGQAYPf+PLoA-jFCEABYq+DAnAgEeCADrfQQlg2t/QBHEAtU+FAIBwv8L/yv8L/S9l8l8lf5XSKgPHaB-w

mine is something like this.

If they buff mantras by giving them swiftness or something I might change runes which are saddly mandiatory for this class.

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Bolt or Shining Blade

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Bolt is better.

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Firebrand? Haha. Srry but long cds and big casting times are bad for wvw especially in blob fights and skill lag. It is good on paper with so many skills but in reality after my testing in wvw It is worse than base blob guardian in all ways.

Base Guard too stronk. And I am not just memeing it is actually so good in WvW that for every 5 people in squad we try to have 2 base guardians. I see people choosing Firebrand for the flavour the way you see the occasional Dragon Hunter but they will just not compare.

Why dont we have DH tanks in wvw blobs also, cause f2,f3 double cds and no instants compared to base guards. Thats why firebrand wont be even considered in blob fights, they have all that is no needed in those squads, big casting times and big cds plus aditional tome book ammo.

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Firebrand? Haha. Srry but long cds and big casting times are bad for wvw especially in blob fights and skill lag. It is good on paper with so many skills but in reality after my testing in wvw It is worse than base blob guardian in all ways.

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Be happy you dont have kittenty elite like firebrand. Tested holosmith and it has 2nd dmg of elites right behind deadeyes.

Am I doing something wrong?

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if you want tankiness use Sword/shield – mace/focus. Watch some youtube videos and similar and you will find something you like.

Firebrand will be support also if they fix it by 95% of everything.

Silver tier ranked matches - 26 lost matches

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You are losing cause you chasing and killing ppl but you are forgeting big red or blue circles that brings you points actually.

Guardian block overpowered WVW

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Guess this dude hasnt discovered condi reaper yet, best class for wvw right now.

Please delete this build from the game

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why? this is called balance.

Thank you for the FIREBRAND! (+1 request:)

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They have mentioned that they have made changes to the new elite specs, they just haven’t gone into detail on the changes yet. So while we don’t know if they will really address the problems, at least we do know that the elites we have been playing are not the final product.

Don’t get your hopes up. They will focus on mirage, that got some high-profile complaints from the likes of Helseth.

If we get anything, it will only be some number tweaks, like they did with DH, ignoring the fundamental design flaws of the spec. And then, they will nerf the damage down the line anyway.

but but we have too one called Aurora Peachy, she mains guardian she said it is awesome great peachy meachy Firebrand she even clicks her skills with a mouse and minute later she goes to play Final Fantasy 14 xD

Dont get your hopes up, we are doomed with long cast times long cds book ammo and tome skills cd (I dont want to get into traits and movement speeds and everything else), but hey dont forget Firebrand is peachy meachy!

/sarcasmoff

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last 2 options decrease/increase your fps drastically

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That sucks I have 300 skirmish chests already….

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I think sales arent going that well cause they already had 4 tests regarding the expansion

Why would you make that association?

Cause on my map there were like 20 ppl max on both tests. And they were testing buggy characters from first beta weekend.

Firebrand changes on 9/7

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Nope I had same big cds with big casting times. I hope those werent actual changes….but knowing anet….

All weapons on FB are broken (except axe)

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Uhuh… totally unviable. Just 50+ stacks burn. Scourge does like 9 burst and can sustain 5.

this is in pve Golem and only in some circumstances. trust me its not that good.

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Sorry, but I just can’t get behind ur optimism. Firebrand feels like it’s in a worse shape than the beta-HoT DH; back then, Karl provided frequent updates on the fixes and solutions for the DH lackluster skills and traits. This time round, there’s no such communication from the devs, can’t help but wonder if they are even listening to the community’s feedback.

I think sales arent going that well cause they already had 4 tests regarding the expansion so they want to ppl to try it more. saddly there is no feedback about elite fixes at all, and more I play with Firebrand more I find it borring and luckluster. If it stay this way with 90 sec cd’s, long cast times, low heals, mantra cones, no melee speed increase than guardians are really unlucky with this expansion.

Firebrand Demo Weekend Feedback

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Anyone noticed Mantra heal is aoe 300 range? It drops some kind of circle on the ground while all other mantras are cone oriented.

During elite pre view i stood in the mist and i hit people behind me with mantras, cant recall which one but it might have been Solace.

Even though i like the FB as a concept i just started to realize that FB isnt ready for release at all. In pve it will be so boring since it will be spamming axe 1 all the time. And in pvp it will do less melee condition damage compared to vanilla/DH.

Anet has one hell of a job balancing stuff in this elite since there is a bunch of bugs and numbers that needs to be fixed.

yea FB is not finished at all, its really luckluster with so many contradicting abilities.
Picking 2-2-2 feels like smashing butons for that extra quickness. Its really fast paced and I dont like it. Plus long cast times and no movement speeds and no protection whatsoever. I dont know, I tested it in all beta previews and more I test FB more I dislike it.

Firebrand Demo Weekend Feedback

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Anyone noticed Mantra heal is aoe 300 range? It drops some kind of circle on the ground while all other mantras are cone oriented.

Rate New Specializations from 0 to 10

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So general consensus is renegade is lowest rated, clunky af, and poorly designed.

Good job devs

Firebrand is not far away from him too

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Firebrand 3/10

Pro: animations, quickness,

Con: slow for melee brawler, long cd of tomes, mantra cone, casting times, underwhelming traits and tome skills compared to big cd’s,…

Upcoming Firebrand Gear !?

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Ya i’m aware ragnarox, i’ve got a 2000 word post on it and multiple other posts about the flaws of FB…. thats not the point of the post. If you want to run it, or they buffit (like they did with HoT healers post release). Thats the guess at stat sets

This post in not " lets kitten more about FB". Go find the 40 other posts about that, or revive the Beta week posts.

On a second note the FB will shine in WvW because of the F1 and F3, but its the only game mode that will happen in as “support”. Everywhere else, its just condi

Well we dont know anything untill we properly test, but from prelimenary tests f2 and f3 sucks in solo and group content cause FB is manly melee close range brawler with no survivability. Pretty much it will die in first charge cause of cast times (and we know how laggy wvw can be when big blobs fight).

It will shine in pve only.

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I’m looking at it from a WvW perspective and the likley Meta shifts that will take place, but from a support perspective most of the gear can be used in PVE ( outside of high fractals or the raids).

In going to say the WvW damage base will be seraphs, though there are many options on that one. I also love carrion because i hate low vita, we can usualy drop toughness with minimal impact. I doubt carrion will be in meta though with so many other condi selections that are better for min/max.

The WvW support gear will be Shaman for healing, not sure on what one is best for a boon duration focus. I realy like the concept of mixing shaman with another set to see if i can out do celi.

But, Celi will likley stay if you want a balanced mix…

I realy see 2-3 FB builds as viable for WvW. Direct heals, boons, or burn

With F2 heals you wont be healing anyone with even 10k healing power. F2 sucks f3 not far away from that.

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We dont know yet, not even if it will be buffed or nerfed so better wait until expansion comes. Save gold for stats change if you already have some sort of ascended armor.

Could be Guardian the thing i'm looking for?

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sword and board + longbow I think it is meta in pvp.

I play sword/shield and greatsword in pve and wvw.

You can play as you like but elitists will kick you from raids and similar if you dont follow their rules about dps and weapo combos.

Edit: plus guardian is heavy class and they have best armor styles in the game.

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Its not vabbi’s fault that they are going down, problem is some of the servers (like piken) have best link (underworld). Vabbi had underworld last time and they were strong and now got really bad link like Gandara with blacktide so they drop fast.

Path of Fire Stress Test September 7

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Will it be old PoF elites from 2 tests or improved ones?

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Imagine the new frontline guard is going to be Virtues, Honor, Firebrand. If tomes adapt well to WvW anyway.

Tried to be frontline with fb, didnt go very well…

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I can’t find where Anet said this, but I remember them giving a reason why they decided to rework Firebrand and core Mesmer mantras using the ammo system.

I remember the reasoning being because the stock system they used previously resulting in mantras with only 1 charge left at the end of a battle leaving the player with a choice of either going into the next fight underloaded, or just blowing the last charge on nothing, waiting out the cooldown, and then reloading.

They said they didn’t like this, so thats why they gave them recovering ammo, so if you didnt spend your whole mantra, the charge would regenerate.

Now my point is, don’t the Firebrand tomes use the exact same mechanic as old mantras? The one they got rid of because they didnt like how they worked?

Granted the tomes are suped up mantras, with 5 to 8 charges and 5 different activated effects, but the core function is identical, and so that same problem exists. I finish a battle with 2 pages left in my courage tome, I can just waste them by stowing the tome, or I can go into next battle with only 2 courage pages left (that I must use prior to any weapon skills) and risk the tome being on CD when I need it.

Many people have gone back and forth, saying tomes are clunky, or that they are fine, or that they are underpowered or balanced, and we just need to git gud.

But the core of the issue is that Arenanet has already said they dislike this mechanic and have already removed it once. Makes me wonder if the inclusion in Firebrand tomes might just be an oversight…

Anyhow, just food for thought.

For the record, I’m in camp “use thief initiative”

Problem is they dont know what to do with guardians, they never did. They just slap some cd nerf or buff. Or make some elite spec mess and then try to recover it for 2,3 years after that. There is no dedicated Guardian dev. You can see that from the trait synergy, there are probably none. Firebrand is more of a mess than DH was.

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We have 2 1/2 weeks before we see the elite spec changes. Here’s to those who are holding their breath.

I dont expect anything good to be honest, we have seen how they treat guardians in those 5 years of existence, new proof is staff auto. Saddly we dont have class dev that could make something out of it.

Dh severely overpowered

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LoL.

never seen any guardian in plat/leg.

Pretty much I can do 2 million dmg in low tier too.

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There can be lots of builds but that does not mean they are effective at rated or wvw solo/group content.

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And btw if you wanted to test power build with FB, dont, f1 , 2, 3 are garbage for power builds. FB is good with all condi or hybrid builds.

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This was my build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRAsd8OMYIqbx2ABQu+yv+D-T1RGABtt/gu6HE4kA8o6P5pEMKlfA8EA+GQAMIIIAWr1ataIEChgUAbtTD-w

Instead of other sword I used Axe and sometimes Greatsword instead sw/focus.

Used all Mantra build.

FB traits:

2-2-2

was pretty much fun in pve, with 2-3k burning trough quickness and high dmg from power.
Healing for 82 for every boon I give.

In pvp and wvw for other hand, FB is underwhelming due to cooldowns and casting times.

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They are the worst example of bad resources system

  1. The virtues/tomes have a high cd for their reward
  2. The skills rely on pages, which don’t regenerate
  3. The tome skill themselves also have a cd

You have to pay three times a price for a reward.
That’s why many consider revenant’s system as bad, because you have to pay energy and cd for a skill, firebrand even three times a price.

Actually FB has 4:

Huge Tome cd
Tome casting times
Tome skill casting times and cd
Pages

(5 if you divide tome skills cd and casting times)

:)

It’s even better than I thought! On top of a small area of effect.

Yea that 240 taunt is clearly a winner

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They are the worst example of bad resources system

  1. The virtues/tomes have a high cd for their reward
  2. The skills rely on pages, which don’t regenerate
  3. The tome skill themselves also have a cd

You have to pay three times a price for a reward.
That’s why many consider revenant’s system as bad, because you have to pay energy and cd for a skill, firebrand even three times a price.

Actually FB has 4:

Huge Tome cd
Tome casting times
Tome skill casting times and cd
Pages

(5 if you divide tome skills cd and casting times)

:)

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I played during stress test, firebrand felt super clunky and very squishy.

I really don’t understand this. I ran Seraph gear and didn’t feel squishy at all. The only time I died was when I tried to solo a bounty. But I’ve seen other people say it too. It’s weird.

I also played Firebrand during the stress test. I tried out two different builds: offensive DPS (Vipers) and defensive Support (Minstrel). I can’t say I had problems surviving. Open world isn’t exactly the pinnacle of hard content though.

Having permanent quickness felt really strong (especially with Stand your Ground) on a DPS build. Tome of Justice with Renewed Justice gives the Tome the ability to resume bursting on each new enemy. The Axe qualifies as a decent condition weapon. The only thing I didn’t like about it is that the Axe #3 doesn’t have a ground targeted animation like Ranger Axe #4 Path of Scars. Right now if I want to pull another add to my target I had to re-select my new target.

Using support with Tome of Resolve and Tome of Courage felt underwhelming. The Tomes didn’t bring anything I was already able to do with my core Guardian set up. I was able to survive Champions and large group of mobs with Mace+Shield / Staff. Once in a while I used Tome of Resolve #4 & #1 to burst heal myself but the heals are very dull and limited. No range, low radius, low coefficients. Tome of Courage is all right with the Legendary Lore trait that gives aegis, otherwise it’s just more of the same on a very long cool down.

The trait lines are pretty much straightforward. Grandmaster traits only have 1 viable option which is Loremaster. Stoic Demeanor doesn’t feel like a Grandmaster trait. Quickfire needs a slight boost in order to compete with Druid buffs.

I like the ammunition system on Mantra’s. The cone radius needs to go for supportive Mantra’s. This regards to Mantra of Potence, Mantra of Lore & Mantra of Liberation.

With these changes I believe Firebrand will have potential to become meta.

Tomes are kitten and thats why they need to be like engi kits, using skills whenever we want and not locked into spending all pages before going out. They need to have increased skill cd’s (f3 reflecting dome like 30 sec and worse skills with smaller cd’s) and tomes need to share pages with regen over time so its not abusable.

Now skills and abilities just contradict each other, mantras cone, tomes huge cd’s, tome huge cast time, melee oriented without movement speed boost, bad traits…

I can call firebrand a walking mess right now.

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They should make RF no longer resetrs F1,2,3 cause they are tomes now and virtue line does not reduce cd’s of tomes and then make tomes like engi kits with longer cds of tome skills and page regen over time. Best solution for firebrand.

Who's yelling "Justice, courage, resolve"?

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Its firebrands elite mantra but its bugged cause casting Renewed Focus brings this voice.

Seems like the most likely explanation to me, can anyone else confirm hearing it?

I think they fixed it cause I dont hear it anymore.

edit: once again I had that voice 5th RF try.

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They did state though that there have been a number of changes/bug fixes based on feedback, they just weren’t including those in the stress test.

Yeah, would have been a surprise if they brought the stuff into a mere stress test. I guess I’ll find out after PoF launch whether they get something reasonable done with FB.

If they make changes like to staff auto then we are kittened

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Its firebrands elite mantra but its bugged cause casting Renewed Focus brings this voice.

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I assume nothing has changed about the big issues from the test weekend?

Nope they gave us same thing from 2nd test.

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I was testing celestial gear + sinister weapons(all ascended).
Tried axe/shield + sw/focus (greatsword)

It was fun killing mobs with quickness.

But it would be hell fighting in pvp and wvw cause some classes have 8-12k hits with one ability. Pve is not pvp, pve here is fighting golems who are tickling you with some dmg, problem with pvp and wvw where active defenses are thing to have, and firebrand fails at it. Tomes there are not efficient to give some sort of survival (especially F2 underwhelming heals and f3 underwhelming defenses).
Mantra cone also dont bring too good things.

Mantra heal should heal for 2k per use(without healing power)
Elite mantra should give 3s of protection per use.
Condition mantra should also give chill.

Tomes should have 15/25/35 cd’s cause they are underwhelming + cast time activating(3/4) + cast time of skills(1/3 to 1 1/4) no active blocks + pretty bad heal +240 range skills (seriously anet, taunt on 240 range,no blast finishers??)

Upper traits are useless (axe have bleed already, trait should give torment, symbol need some kind of boon), Master(immobilize, anet seriously?some classes are immune to it, worst condition and on 3rd final use and 35 sec cd after thatcmon useless), grandmaster(slow really) -such underwhelming traits.

Middle traits are way to go if you are solo quickness killer.

Down line is good for supporting but not like middle line.

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Net elite spec guardian as a support cause FB is more condi oriented:

Waterblower
Flowersmelter
Rainbowbreather
Mediwhisperer
Heal-o-rama

DH is unfun to play against....

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burn dh does not have stability, its easy to cc them to death. they only have 1 condition, thats burn that is easy cleansable.

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Lots of those traits have internal cd so you wont get these effects if you cast them 2 times in a row in few seconds.

Upgraded my but lost FPS

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you should reinstall your graphic drivers first. Gw2 is more cpu oriented.