Guild Wars 2

HappyHour.6241:

Rampage, I saw that post. It only beat it on that map. There are tons of threads about that situation and later on you will see that i5/i7 actually beats the 8350 on almost all maps.

So the most CPU intensive map u mean?

GW2 does crossfire but a single 7950 can max this game at 80+ FPS, the problem is the CPU. Not because the 3930k is bad by any means, it is to me the best CPU on the market atm, just because the geme runs on 1 core, this means u need to overclock in order to get a single stronger core so the videocards can stretcht thir legs, the guy who said u need a titan to run this game or CF is not working, just don’t know what he is saying, ignore him.
Any card starting from 100$ will is able to max out this game at playable FPS, it is all on ur CPU here.

Just for ur consideration Crysis 3 benches, as u can see the FX 8350 beats the i7 3770k and destroys the i5 3570k, the FX 6300 (130$) beats the i5 2500k (220$), so as u can see ur money is well invested in AMD tech for future gaming, in any multithread scenario, and future games will all be like this, AMD will beat current intell generation CPUs, just look at that chart. The FX 6300 beats the i3 3220 at stock speeds (AMD can be OCed i3s cannot) by arround 70% at the same price point, no wonder what ppl who said the i3 were better than 8 core AMDs would say about that.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Crysis-3-PC-235317/Tests/Crysis-3-Test-CPU-Benchmark-1056578/

Np , it is by far the most common issue.

Terrible settings for performance/visualquality ratio. U can just set up everything to ultra including LOD it does not hit hard on the CPU, the turn reflections and shadows down, u will get easy 20+ FPS without any noticeable visual quality hit.

Yup, u have to overclock to get more FPS, the stock i7 will bottleneck since game uses 1 core only the others just feed from the main thread.

That 6870 can heat up to 100c, i think it is hardlly the problem. Check for directx, MS framework 3.5 and 4.0, all that MS crap must be up to date, also the drivers, try different revision, use driver sweeper or revo uninstaller to completelly remove the drivers and install them again (normal uninstall won’t do). It is most likelly a sofware related issue.

Could be any of this:
1. Videocard not installed on the right lane, make sure it is properlly pluged in, and running at full PCI-e 3.0 x16, download GPUz and make sure all the values are finee.
2. Memory failure or not properlly setup. Perform some memtest, to make sure is working fine.
3. Drivers, Directx up to date
4. CPU throteling down due heat or some other issue get CPUz, make sure ur CPU is working properlly under load, download prime95 and perform some tests while monitoring it to make sure it is behaving fine.

Try different drivers, Clean sweep ur actual drivers, full GW2 repair/Sheck, delete the “local.dat” file inside the Guild wars 2 folder in “my documents”. Try all this fixes before buying a new card, i would also recomend the HD7870 or the GTX 660 price/performance is very good, Nvidia has much more reliable drivers tho, despite AMD fans says it is a lie, it is not. AMD cards have serious issues with micro sutter and frame latency problems it is well known their drivers SUCK, even tho if they ever fix that, Radeon cards offer more performance per $ all the way.
Nvidia cards runs very smooth in most games 9/10 games Nvidia drivers beat AMD in overall happy gaming experience in my opinion, AMD gets more frames but at the cost of stuttering gameplay specially at low frame rates (GW2 WvW for example). U usually have to tweak AMD cards a lot, u need some knowledge of what u are doing, if what u want is something that performs well right out of the box without tweaking and stuff i highlly recomend to stick with Nvidia, if u are an advanced user then u can go AMD.

Download “process Lasso” it is a very advanced task manager (what windows should have if wasn’t an OS made for kitten ppl), it will allow u to set up the games to use the “non hyperthread cores only” by default, Problem solved, no need to turn HT off, why would u buy an i7 instead an i5 if u want to turn HT off???? Some ppl just buy without making a minimum research…
http://bitsum.com/prolasso.php
There ya go, make sure u download the 64 bits version.

Great stetup for the money, u won’t get any better performance in GW2.

Regardless of where the name Guild wars come from i am just saying, some kind of guild vs guild mechanics would be nice to see on this game. Giving ppl a real reason to belong to a guild, guild pride and that kind of stuff making ppl proud of belong to this guild or some other u know. Guild rankings, stuff like that, again it dosn’t really have to be PVP focused since mostly carebears play this game, it can be PVE.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

As many seem to misinterpret, Guild Wars is a reference to lore not a game mechanic. But GvG would be nice, although it’s weird to balance depending on how big your guild is.

Well that is the thing u should be able to engage in a guild war against a guild u know u have a chance to beat, mutual agreement wars/battles, GvG instanced events stuff like that size shouldn’t matter. Instanced events where 5 menbers from a guild fight 5 members of another one, it dosnt really have to be PVP, it can be PVE, for example the last standing gruop while fighting a horde or a nasty boss.

I don’t really know why a game called “guild wars” does not have guild wars, clan wars or whatever u want to call em. I think Devs should implement some kind of competitive guild mechanics in sPVP and WvW/PVE, guild tournaments 10 v 10, 20 v 20, 30 v 30, at sPVP would be nice to see (special death match oriented maps for this OFC).
In WvW may be atcking or defending keeps/towers from enemy guilds to get points something like that, a real reason for a guild to Own a position and defend it instead of just roaming and zerging arround. May be some specialized uber hard raid events/achievemets for PVE guilds.
I just would love to see some competitive guild content, take a look at games like Lineage2 or Tera u have clan wars there for example, they are the most fun thing of those games u can just kill any enemy guild member on sight in order to win points. I am not saying GW2 should emulate those games, just adding some competitive guild content would be nice and fun, and ofc would make justice to game’s name.

I would like to see what GW2 comunity thinks about this kind of stuff.

Indeed, bloomfied i7 CPUs can still be pretty solid for gaming just need a lot of cooling, if u have a good board u can overclock tha hell of those chips. Honestly u need more than 3.6ghz on those CPUs to make GW2 enjoyable.

I think the FX is the best buy atm, the motherboard will at least support 2 more CPU generations for further upgrade which is very nice, u can’t say that about intel tho. If u want to upgrade right now go for the AMD, if u can wait up to june or july u can get the new haswell processors. But buying Ivy at this point is just not smart.
I am particulary waiting for haswell to upgrade my 2600k cuz i am not happy with it’s performance in GW2. May be if Ivy-E comes out with noticeable improvments over regular ivy i could consider the LGA 2011 platform.

Roll back the drivers and wait for the official release, beta drivers are like that a russian roulette. u can also try tweak the graphics settings using radeon pro. I have those drivers on the same card and i don’t have any issue, may be cuz i have my graphics tweaked by raden pro don’t know. The only problem i have with those drivers is when i try to record the gameplay the display driver crashes, only happen on GW2, so again a russian roulette.

I’d recomend the hd7950 and overclock, it is of the best OCable cards for the money atm, it is basically a cripled hd7970, u can overclock it to make it perform on par with the 680 or the hd7970 really good value.

OC higher, 3.6/3.8 u should see a decent boost, not anywhere near to sandy/Ivy performance but still pretty playable. Note GW2 is no optimizaed, it runs poorlly most, so u need highlly OCed processors to make it enjoyable. In Lion’s Arch what kind of FPS do u see min/max?

-Lineage2??? LOL dude lineage 2 spikes at 5 FPS on a highlly OCed sandy bridge during sieges common i played that game for 7 years u are not gonna tell me it runs good cuz it dosn’t it is by far the worst optimized MMO still live.
-GameBryo is date, slow and poor engine overall, console designed engine, not really a good example it is probably one of the worst engines out there. Take skyrim for example, terrible console graphics and CPU intensive as hell, really not a good engine for any modern game it was good back in 2005 when Oblivion came out but 7 years afeter is obsolete.
-I won’t say they wow thing again, but WoW actually is still pretty CPU demanding (even 8 years after realease) during raids and stuf ur FPS can go hell.

The fact is not many MMOs out there can handdle a lot ppl casting spells at the same time, GW2 runs bad but not as bad as others to be fair, it is just accpetable for most ppl, MMO gamers are used to sub 20 FPS is not a big deal, arenanet won’t listen to us, cuz they know 90% of the players don’t see any performance issue. TBH i don’t think Arenanet will ever fix this problem, in 2 years CPU will be capable of run this game properlly so most enthusiast players will stop complaining.

It depends on ur hardware, the hardware, the slower and older ur PC is the best game boosters will perform, the more crap u have instaled in ur OS the better the booster will be. Basically if u have a old Core2duo or athlon using DDR2 memory the booster will show u great improvments, if u have an i5, i7 it won’t show u any.
I highlly recomend Razer booster for older systems it makes a huge difference sometimes, it is a wonderfull free tool.

I don’t see any major bugs besides some skills not working as intended, i think some ppl are too dramatic tbh, there are a lot more things to improve way more important than npc stucked in walls, if u don’t enjoy the game feel free going back to WoW, there in no monthly fee so u can come back in a few months.

-Actually GameByro is garbage, Rift runs like crap, i played it for 6 months, in raids u could see very very low FPS (5-10) even lower than GW2 in WvW, totally outdated engine, and awfull for a MMO.
-U cannot compare GW2 to WoW ither cuz, well, it looks like crap, honestly i never played WoW just cuz i hated the N64 pokemon graphics so, not a fair comparison either.
-Tera run decently but it cannot handdle PVP well either it runs smooth in PVE and towns, even looks better than GW2 but in PVP lags pretty bad aswell, unreal wasn’t really made for an MMO either.
Not trying to defend arenanet, just get ur facts straight, for example Dark Age of Camelot, handle pretty well 50 man fights on pentium 4 processors, which is pretty remarcable considering it was one of the first3D MMORPG.

GW2 has absolutelly no issues with win8, i use win 8 actually and everything runs much smoother including GW2, i highlly recomend win8 as a gaming OS.

I’d say the toshiba one, better quality and better videocard, i’d take a look at this tho, cuz the faster CPU will be a huge improvement in GW2, it is a very CPU bounded game, so u basically need the fastests CPU u can afford
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Satellite-S855-S5170-15-6-Inch-Aluminum/dp/B00B3PLPVO/ref=sr_1_57?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1361679981&sr=1-57

Mmmm no that videocard will get out the case and talk to u before it can play a game decently

Not very good cuz that AMD CPU is not the best for this game, it will run fine hile doing PVE, but u will see 15-20 FPS drops in WvW and cities sometimes. The game performance is very bad in general, so AMD CPUs are not the optimal choice for GW2 atm.

It i a known issue, most of the ppl whoe experience sudden FPS drops is cuz of that.

U can never go wrong with Nvidia anyway, drivers are great the performance is allways butter smooth in terms of stuttering and that kind of stuff, Nvidia makes great cards, overpriced but great anyway. Just take a look at the new GTX titan it is a beautifull card, top notch manufacture, but 1000$????, give me a break.

It is a very small card it will fit in virtually any Mini/mid/full tower case, only won’t fit on “slim” form factor cases

The main problen in my opinion is Developers should use Dev kits while programing for PC like Playstation or xbox, just asume the “minimum requirement settings” as the dev kit hardware. When programing for PC they just tend to think “heck PC has ulimited resources we can do this whatever da hell we want”.

In PVE at medium setting u can play at 60 FPS using a sandy dualcore i saw it with own eyes. Also for WvW isn’t all bad arround 15/20 FPS worst case scenario, GW2 max out the intel dualcore utilize it at it’s full potential unlike quad CPUs i saw the little g620 chip arround 95% usage, paired with the hd7750, at high settings, shadows and reflections diisabled he should be over 45 FPS 95% of the time which is very cost efective for a 60$ CPU paired with a 80$ CPU, at least for GW2 it is, not saying is the best for general gaming just in this particular game.

Don’t bother, get the hd7750, i warranty it will work with ur computer right out of the box, it dosn’t need a power supply, just open the case plug it in, install the drivers and play GW in high settings. Dont listen to ppls trying to make u buy other stuff u don’t need, the hd7750 alone is all u need to play gw2, ur CPU is good enough, ur PSU will support it since it supports a hd6450, pretty much just order it at newegg and enjoy the game.
It can be found as low as 80$, pretty decent card for the money
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102969&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
Cheap, fast, enery efficient, 2012 generation, all u need. That is a video proving the hd7750 will run gw2 on high without any trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NLB4wDRM8
Trust me man i build computers since i was 8yo back in 1992, i have owned at least 20 PCs and build probably arround 1000… i know what i’m talking about.

Jazhara Knightmage.4389:

Vizier: if you have fully abandoned that amd rig, you should ebay the parts or hop on xtremesystems or overclockers.net and put them up for sale, there are alot of people who would LOVE to buy that 1100t off you, probably for more then you paid for it.

Indeed, that is a very good idea

SolarNova.1052:

BTW: Forum isnt dead, u just cant expect replies instantly, this isnt MSN or some such lol.

This hahahhahaha
His CPU is a sandy at least i think CPU wise it ill be fine paired with a hd 7750, those pentiums are decent for GW2 sice it dosn’t really use 4 cores anyay. Their performmance is comparable with old phemonII quad at 3.2 or something like that pretty good for a pentium chip, it will run the game just fine may be not in WvW but only about 3% of GW2 population plays WvW anyway, no big deal.

hd 7750 is highlly recomended for GW2 it will support high settings at 30+FPS any 450 PSU will be enough for it. May be the current dell Power supply will support this card, it does not require any aditional power than the PCIe lane itself. IF ur dell has a 450w power supply allready, order the card and test it on it. I see that dell pc had support for the hd 6450 so most likelly it will support the hd7750 right out the box since the consume the same wattage.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161403&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Video+Cards-_-Hightech+Information+System+Ltd.-_-14161403
happy gaming

Indeed it can overclock to arrond 4.4 4.5 it is good enough for Ivy CPUs anyway, but is just not as easy as overclocking the K series, just google arround the web and check some forums to make yourself a good idea about what to do.
But honestly i don’t think that will solve ur issue, u should contact alienware, cuz most likelly u are facing a hardware issue, u will also void the warranty of ur system (if still on warranty) by overclocking, so u wouldn’t recomend that, if u are facing a noticleable FPS drops is due a hadware/sofware issue, overclokcing will help a little bit if u are lucky but won’t get ur PC back to it’s normal performance.
I also wouldn’t expect a fix from arenanet or something like that cuz there is a 99.9% chance the problem is on ur side, so there is nothing they can really do.
Side note: don’t buy alienware desktop or laptops, they pretty much lack of quality control on their hardware as much as dell does, as a gamer u wan’t to build ur own system using high quality components (unlike alienware), and is way cheaper.

i7 920 was a very good CPU, i don’t really think moving to FX platform is worth the money unless use serious multithreading apps, virtual machine stuff like that. But in the end the FX is overall faster single or mutithread, it is also very easy to OC compared to the 920 due the unlocked multiplier.

Aza.2105:

Rampage.7145:

Aza.2105:

Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.

Again take a look at the video think it is an 3570k which is 25-30% faster clock per clock than any first gen i7, then think for a second, read some stuff in wikipedia like how a program give instuctions to a processor, what instructions per cycle means, that kind of stuff and then post. Not trying to insult u just showing u the truth i have a i7 2600k myself and a phenomII x6 and the i7 don-t come any close to doble the phemom performance enven clocked 700mhz higher so there is no way in hell, a first gen i7 double the performance of a fx 3850, there must be something wrong in ur end, if u don-t believe my words just watch the video dude.

Oh man, I know what you mean by instructions per cycle. And I’ve already seen that video. And like I said, the i7 950 with geforce 470 is getting 2x my fps in many circumstances. And this isn’t coming from a perspective of a person ignorant of computer tech, just to let you know that.

Again not trying to insult u telling u are ignorant by any means, only pointing out the ur CPU is a fast as any first gen i7 in this game. If u are getting any different results there must be something wrong with ur system that is all. The game is sensitive to many things like memory, Chispet problems, PCI bus speeds, latency, so there can be plenity of stuff compromising ur performance besides the CPU itself, things that other games/programs will just ignore. I have also good knowleadge about computer hardware, the first computer i built was a intel 486, back in the early 90s, i also own both platforms so i can tell u for sure, u are wrong, may be because my systems are highlly tweaked, don’t really know but i just wish my i7 had double performance than my AMD so i could play WvW at playable rates all the time.

SolarNova.1052:

Updated my post a bit late but anyway ill post again.

I found these relativly new benchmarks. The methodology is better imo. I mean its not perfect but perfection is almost impossible in a gaming environment ..specialy a mmo ..things always change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_tbR-eKlrQ

2 comps same rigs different CPU’s ..same settings stock. played together at the same time by 2 people. Difference is shown much better here BUT its still nto perfect imo.

This next one is a different game but since they play together they get in a truck so both computers have to render identical screens for a portion of the vid..they mention the FPS difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPb4-3dNee0&list=PLlJ6UsG2zqgGU9VLB6jDNOAvTrcKLjwXw&index=5

They ran the game in winXP compatibility which is very bad for multithreading, that is why the scren stutters like that while doing PVE lol. WinXP compatibility is the worst case scenario for a FX cpu, i think they did it on purpose since they are clearlly intel fanboys.
But yeah i think it could be a valid comparison for those ppl using winXP and 2012 CPUs.

Aza.2105:

Its double the fps. And yes its quite strange. And its also a bit insulting that you are trying to suggest the problem is on my end. I build pcs man. All game perform well, even the cpu intensive ones such as civilization v etc. Those games my cpu beats his in. But not in gw2.

Again take a look at the video think it is an 3570k which is 25-30% faster clock per clock than any first gen i7, then think for a second, read some stuff in wikipedia like how a program give instuctions to a processor, what instructions per cycle means, that kind of stuff and then post. Not trying to insult u just showing u the truth i have a i7 2600k myself and a phenomII x6 and the i7 don-t come any close to doble the phemom performance enven clocked 700mhz higher so there is no way in hell, a first gen i7 double the performance of a fx 3850, there must be something wrong in ur end, if u don-t believe my words just watch the video dude.

SolarNova.1052:

So far i have to say i have yet to find a good video of som1 testing AMD vs Intel on GW2 without kittening up their methodology.

The one linked above is ok but like others i have seen the guy doesnt use the same paths to test fps.

The best and most demanding place in LA i find is the north way point zoomed out looking towards the mystic forge. If he had simple loaded up with the exact same view and compared FPS that would have said it all really.
But instead he runs around heading out of LA for one CPU.. then loads up heading in for the other ..thats 2 different paths with different loads to render.. which cannot be used as a accurate comparison.
Not to mention it wasnt clock for clock, granted it was a stock test but both CPU’s can reach the same clocks. A better coparison would have been a 4ghz OC on the Intel with the 4ghz clock on the AMD ..or a 4.3ghz clock on both ..somthing easy to do.

True but it is still a valid gameplay comparison, he was running arround turning the camera, which is the most demoanding thing atm due shadows and reflactions having huge impact while doing so, the point is u can see the minimum peaks u would expect with each processor. Sure absolute minimums with intel will be higher but only 5-10 FPS better in WvW it won’t be a 100% better that is for sure, only 30% or so which means AMD@15FPS=intel@20FPS, AMD@30FPS=Intel@40FPS based on experience.

And to the OP, nothing has changed performance wise in this game latelly so if u were getting better performance at the beggining there must be a problem with ur system. I dont even get 5 FPS in WvW using my APU laptop LOL so to me is very unlikelly the CPU is the reasson u get 5FPS in WvW.
There could be many reassons for choppy performance, memory problem, spyware, u runnig crap on the background, CPU/GPU overheating, this game is very sensitive, which means a ram issue may be unnoticed in any game but here will take ur FPS from 60 to 30 easy, ur videocard plugged in in the wrong slot would be unoticed in any other game but here will grant u sub 20 FPS performance, stuff like that. Pretty much u have to keep ur PC optmized all the time running monitoring tools to make sure everything is working properlly. U can’t just say “BAD FPS, is my CPU”, ue CPU is slow but there also many other things that will grant u crappy performance in this game.

hoegarden.4287:

Well I added an attachment too.
I’m not telling that you shouldn’t complain, we are after all costumers. But look at this forum, there are hundreds of topics talking about this problem. Like I said, I don’t think they just ignore all this.
Maybe you are right and they just ignore it. They can do that if out of 2 million players, a couple of 1000 have this problem. But by time more and more people will notice it, and they will be forced to do something about it. Or maybe they are already doing something about it, but aren’t sure yet so they are not telling us about it.
I’ve seen some moderators and other staff replying to other topics, so just encourage them to fix it instead of putting an arrow in their chest.

That is not true 100% of the player base have the issue, only 1000 players complain about it, that is a different thing. Truth be told, most players plays the game using low end and old computers they get bad performance, they asume is normal since their computer is slow anyways, probably 5% have high end desktops they get bad performance and they complain cuz it shouldn’t happen.

Wulfic.6278:

Btw can I overclock this CPU AMD Phenom™ 9650 Quad-Core Processor 2.30 GHz ? If u need any more information just tell me what do I need to write here and how to find out what I actually got in my pc. Thanks

mmm very unlikelly, i mean u can try but u need a very good motherboard, since that processor dont have a unlocked multiplier, u would need to raise motherboard northbridge speed to overclock it, which is only recomendable on high end mobos.

Aza.2105:

kirito.4138:

Those applications are multi-threaded and optimized to harness the potential of additional cores.

GW2 rely heavily on single thread processing power and INTEL excels in this category over AMD.

See Part 4.2 – 4.8 here to understand more in detail. See 4.11 to learn what the devs has commented on regarding optimization.

Yes this is true, but a 100% performance increase shows there is a problem. My friend has a i7 950 with a Geforce 470, I have a Amd FX 8350 with a Radeon 6970. My friend has literally double the fps I have in most given situations.

For example if I have 40, my friend will have 80-100+. Interesting enough in skyrim, my cpu outperforms his. But not by much. So its understandable if a competitive intel cpu is 20% faster than its amd counter part in most given situations. But here we have the counter parts being 100%+ faster.

This doesn’t even happen in skyrim, wow, civilization 5 or sc2. The only other game it seems to happen in is Assassin Creed 3:

http://img.techpowerup.org/121123/ac3%20proz483.png

I definitely think there is a problem.

That is totally false if u friend double ur FPS must be because a different issue. As u can see that video proves intels is 30% faster at it’s best
That is also an IVY bridge CPU which is WAAAAAAAY faster than ur friend’s first gen i7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8_dh4b0jL8
I would say ur processor is as fast as a first gen i7 in single thread performance aka GW2, so if u are not getting the same performance he does u have a serious issue with ur PC, don’t blame ur processor. If u think upgrading to a brand new intel processor will give u stable 60+ FPS u are wrong, it will gove u most likelly 30-40% more frames, do the math yourself and see how many FPS would u get. but stable 60+ FPS not gonna happen even using a 1000$ intel CPU not even stable 40+FPS, that is just imposible due game poor general performance.

Crossfire works properlly, the problem is the game itself is so bad optimized ur CPU won’t ever be fast enough to allow ur videocards to stretch their legs, so having 2 cards it is actually worst than having only 1 card in a CPU bottlenecking scenario. That being said u can prove Crossfire is working as intended by testing the FPS while watching to the sky and maxing out the graphics (only way ur CPU won’t bottleneck those cards).

U wrong u won’t get good performance even with 1000$ CPU, no CPU u can buy can posibly deliver good frames in this game, u would have to spend millions in order to intel or AMD develop a special custom made CPU for this game :P a ultra fast 7 or 8ghz dualcore CPU is what u need. 4,6,8,10 core s are totally useless since the game is probably the most straight forward single threaded game i have seen in years.

i think is probably the “fog efects” they intriduced with the new event, particles and GW2 are a bad combination, if they only had a decent particle render system

Jus buy a LGA 775 core2quad on Ebay overclock it to 3.5 ghz and u will be set up for GW2, untill u get 1000$ or so for a good decent upgrade. Check for compatibility with ur motherboard on the manufacturer website ofc.