Only works with Nvidia cards
It is normal GW2 runs very poorly in crowded areas, just like any other MMO.
AMD CPUs are nice for the price, but games are not made for them, they run on 1 or 2 CPU cores (it is very complicated to develop games for multicore CPUs), but at the sub 100$ price tag u won’t find any viable intel CPU for gaming, intel just criples tha hell out of their low end line of CPUs to force gamers buy +200$ chips, so if u are tight on budget AMD is the way to go for gaming, cheap overclockable CPUs longer life platforms wich allows u to upgrade for cheap down the road, and cheaper motherboards (if u compare them to intel mobos with the same features).
I’m puzzled how you even played on your graphics card. I wouldn’t expect anything to run that doesn’t meet the minimum requirements. I would also like to take the time to point out that the processor you plan to get is more of a side-grade component, you’ll get less than twice the performance of your current processor likely. Twice of a little is still a little. If you’re tight on budget than you should still consider AMD and not Intel.
I would wait and save for a computer worth getting. Something like the FX-4300 on an AM3+ motherboard is something you should shoot for for low budget gaming systems. Then, you can hop on a GTX 650Ti Boost or something similar.
Thanks for the tips. I was hoping to just get that CPU as a placeholder until I upgraded to something nicer, but now I’m thinking that may not be a good idea. If I’m going to upgrade, I might as well do it right. I can play the game now with what I have, so I can wait a little longer. I will be sure to take a look at AMD as well. Thanks for the tip.
I just see the 50 dollar celaron as more of a waste than anything. You are right, you can upgrade to a nicer processor, like the i5 3570K or i7 3770K, but those are some costly upgrades AND not the latest from Intel anymore. The 1155 socket dies with Ivy Bridge and the birth of the 1150 socket came with Haswell. So your upgrade path is very limited on the Intel side.
The upgrade path is much nicer on the AMD side with an AM3+ socket. The FX-4300 is only a quad core, but you can upgrade to a FX-6300 (hex core) or FX-8320 (or FX-8350) for an octa core processor. Then, down the road AMD has plans for an FX-9320 and FX-9350 which are buffed up versions of the FX-8320 and FX-8350 respectively. In addition to that, the next incremental architecture upgrade will still use the AM3+ socket.
I drink the Intel Kool-aid, but its hard not denying the limits of the sockets on Intel chipsets. I’ll likely always buy Intel since I’ll make sure I have money for it upfront without upgrading because by the time I need to upgrade I’ll have to buy a new motherboard because the socket and chipset have changed. Unless AMD dethrones the single thread performance crown Intel holds, I’ll stick with Intel. However, for people who need cheap and decent computers with potential upgrade paths, AMD wins.
Since your last post, I have done a quick search on AM3+ socket motherboards, and I have a small concern. I wasn’t able to find any with a PCI Express 3.0 slot. Most of the video cards I am eyeing use that slot. Of course, they will work in the 2.0 slots as well, but I’m worried about either not getting the most out of the card. In the experience of many far more knowledgeable than myself, will the 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot make a huge difference?
It won’t make a noticeable diference, by the time a videocard actually uses the PCI 3.0 Bandwith u will need to upgrade ur motherboard again +3 years. u are looking at 10nm GPUs with 200% more horsepower than anything on the market right now. So don’t worry about PCI 3.0, it is a nice feature but useless untill videocards runs way way faster than now.
There is nothing to upgrade. Too bad you don’t have the 3770K (note the “K”) so you can overclock.
Non K Ivy and sandy bridge CPUS can overclock… just not by the multiplier method so OCing won’t get u beyond 4.2ghz, but it is still a nice bump from 3.6ghz
then feel free to explain to me why a buddy of mine get’s much better performance on his i5 3570K than my FX-8350?
His computer is tweaked and maintained far better than yours?
In all seriousness though, without knowing more details, there could be a multitude of reasons why. Also what is “much better”? 3 FPS? 30 FPS? Consistent 20 FPS at all times?
Maybe around 10 or better in cities like lion’s arch. I know that he runs his i5 at around 4.3 or so GHz.
also ours is maintained about the same level.
This is normal, intel processors perform better in most games because they are single threaded apps, fx8350 is a great chip but it won’t catch up with the i5 in GW2, only thing u can do is overclock as high as possible. As soon as game engines start doing the FPU calculations on the GPUs u will see a good inprovement using AMD hardware for games, untill that it will be intel all the way.
Get 4GB ram and a radeon HD 7750. It will make u run the game with eye candy turned on untill u get enough money to buy a whole new system.
I would recomend waiting for haswell laptops, the will be out in a month or so, they will consume a lot less power, which most likelly means less heat and higer clocks plus they will have capable intel integrated graphics.
Reflections are a pain, since the game engine renders water reflections under the game surface, this means even when u can’t see any water arround, the game is still render it under the world, which is very intensive in some areas like Char fractal for example. I recomend to turn them off completelly since they are a cosiderably resouorce hog at the moment, the little eye candy u get by enabling them isn’t enough to justifly the 20-40% FPS hit.
Also check the Vsync options i recomend to disable Vsync completely aswell check Nvidia control panel, when u have Vsync ON, whenever ur card is rendering 60 FPS, the monitor will show u 60 FPS, but when u get lower, lets say Video card renders only 58 FPS the monitor will only show u 30 FPS, this means u will be getting very nasty FPS plumment and rubberband effect everytime the game stats rendering less than 60 FPS, in GW2 that can happen once per minute or so. With Vsync off u will get a much smoother experience since the screen will show u every frame ur video card renders, if u want to limit the FPS in a very efficient way in order to avoid the screen tearing, try MSI afterburner software.
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I don’t think drivers are such and issue at this point, the have been improving in that front since 12.11, they won’t be releasing a new gen card this year, instead they will work closer to game developers in order to improve the drivers support which is nice. Not a very huge fan of AMD drivers but have to say if they improve in that front will be very hard for Nvidia to keep their prices as high as right now, they have lost quite a lot of maket share during 2012 and they will only loose more if AMD drivers gets on par with Nvidia. Only reason to pay more for an Nvidia card that will perform similar or slower is the drivers right now, have to say that is enough reasson for me, but who knows.
I get around 30FPS in big zergs with a i5 2500k @ 4.4 also a 670 is not needed at all.
Even when is not needed for gw2 the 670 it is a good idea for a new rig, most likelly u will play other games aswell LOL, specially if u plan to run the same video card for 4-5 years. I would get the radeon 7970 tho, if u plan to run a single card the radeon is considerably faster, overclocked can be as fast as 2 gtx580 in SLI which is FAST. If u plan to go dual cards (future upgrade) then the 670 makes a bit more sense, due better drivers, cuda, physx, adaptive Vsync, and other cool Nvidia features..
Are u buying this components individually or is a prebuilt system?
The hd 7950 is a very good crossfire option. For dual graphics setups u need 2 things basically, good memory size and high bandwith. The 7950 offers that sure the GPU is not as fast as the 660ti but the memory makes up for it, it is a very bad idea to go dual cards using med/low end cards cuz of that they lack of memory performance which becomes a bottleneck, remember even in SLI/crossfire both cards will be sharing the memory of only one of them. High end cards in the other hand don’t have this problem, they are made for it, the more/faster/wider the memory interface is, the better will be the multiple card performace.
Notice if u crossfire 2 hd7950 for example u are aiming at 4k resolutions or 3 monitor configurations, other than that is overkill.
Note: A hd7950 running at 1200/1600 will probably beat a gtx 680 in most games, which is sick for a 300$ card.
I think they will skip 700, they will only make 700 OEM and Mobile GPUs (rebranded 600 series) They will launch a 700-800$ Titan version tho which is very nice. Even if they launch the 700 series card they won’t be a lot faster than 600 since they will use the same manucafturing process (28mm), so waiting is a little pointless, even if they launch a better performing cards they will cost more money, specially since AMD won’t launch the 8000 series this year. My recomendation will be get the best ur money can buy atm. HD 7950/7970 GTX 670 300/400$ range is a sweet spot.
The 7950 will smoke the 660ti if u plan using anti aliasing, suppersample and that kind of stuff (memory intensive). It is also a better overclocker, the hd7950 slightly OCed is as fast as the gtx680. The 660ti is fast but Nvidia cripled the memory bus speed and size, which makes the hd7950 a much better card overall for the money.
I wouldn’t even consider the 660ti for a high end rig, it is a bad SLI card due the memory issue. Now the 670 FTW is a very good card but a little expensive also. So i would either buy the hd7950 or put a 80$+ and get the gtx670 which is at least on par with the hd7950 in horsepower, SLI scalability and that kind of stuff.
I actually will buy 2 gtx 670 for a new rig (only waiting for Ivy-E, or haswell-E), it is a pretty good card.
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I bet to disagree, the GPU will do the job at medium setting even in WvW where the CPU will be the bottleneck, the GPU dosn’t really matter for WvW if u play at medium settings and 720p res, The 630 will give u same FPS during a zerg than a GTX titan as long u play at moderate graphical settings. If u don’t really care about playing games at low/med settings then the 630 might fill ur needs. I do recomend to OC the CPU to 4.4ghz at least tho, it is quite easy to do if u do a little research.
If u really want to play games at fairly high graphical settings and 60+ FPS at moderate res (up to 1080p) the u need a 150$+ Video card at least, a 650ti boost or a radeon hd7850 are decent entry lvl gaming cards.
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Try put the 5870 on that PC and see if it still occurs
For 600/700$ AMD processor is your only choice or an i5 with a pretty low end video card. U can get a AMD FX 6300 for about the same price than an i3, and it will run better any game. So u either go up too 900$ range to get the i5 3570k or get the FX 6300 at that price range but i3 processors are really bad for gaming i wouldn’t recomend them since dual core processors are on the way out, most moderns games use at least 3/4 cores atm.
U can also try to perform a full uninstall and roll back to 12.8 drivers, also play arround catalyst control settings.I have seen plroblems like this before on those 7800s cards may be a driver issue affecting pictarim cards.
Try different drivers 13.3 beta works very well for me, download “revo uninstaller” and perform a full Nvidia and AMD driver uninstall before installing the new ones
PCI express bus issue. Very common. The PCI-e port where u have plugged the videocard is either dusty, wrongly seated card, or wrong PCI-e port (non x16). Dwonload GPU-z check for the PCI-e bus speed, ikt should be: “2.0 x16@ 2. x16” anything different will give u crappy FPS in GW2 even while every other app will run perfectly
Sorry but no,
1st off, this is certanly not very common
2nd – I swear on all the narwhals in the world that my computer is working to 100%(3rd but unimportant, the difference between the x4/8/16 PCI-port speeds are bearly noticable; http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-crossfire-nvidia-sli-multi-gpu,2678-kittenml)
This is clearly some kind of bug or compabillity problem that strikes AMD-cards
It is a very common issue, all this previous post prove it. ALSO NOT EVERY GAME IS THE SAME, GW2 is particulary Bus speed dependant. Again running at x2 BF3 will perform just as well as x16, GW2 in the other hand will be at 5-10 FPS, AMD cards has no issues with the game i have 3 high end AMD cards hd 5970, hd 6950 hd 7950 none ever had any issue in GW2, also own 3 Nvidia Cards gt 9800, GTX 550ti GTX670, no issues running any of them either.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/Bad-fps/first#post1742125
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/low-FPS-problem/first#post1544508
U are looking at quad core i5, and GTX 640m or hd 7670m or superior. It will do nice for med settings at that price tag. Just don’t expect breath taking performance in GW2, even at low setting the frame rate will drop very bad during heavy situations, only laptops that can run GW2 without hiccups cost arround 4000$ since they use desktop CPUs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834216451
That one is nice for the price very strong CPU, notince in GW2 u need CPU more than u need GPU.
Note: Windows 8 will run any game equal or better than windows 7 at this point.
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PCI express bus issue. Very common. The PCI-e port where u have plugged the videocard is either dusty, wrongly seated card, or wrong PCI-e port (non x16). Dwonload GPU-z check for the PCI-e bus speed, ikt should be: “2.0 x16@ 2. x16” anything different will give u crappy FPS in GW2 even while every other app will run perfectly
5770 is still a powerfull card, it will run GW2 on high no problems. The bottheneck is the CPU, u should upgrade to a brand new i5. Certanlly not cheap but a new GFC won’t give u any performance boost in GW2.
560ti can still max out most games, u certanlly will notice a good boost in titles like Tomb Rider or crysis 3, but u won’t see any boost in GW2, it is a good upgrade 40nm to 28, it will run faster, cooler and draw less power (performance per watt). I Recomend go for it only if u have money to spare.
It will run pretty well, the 7970m can max out GW2 no problems.
mmm no for 250 it will be hard honestly, a side upgrade basically, if u want a real step up upgrade u need arround 350, for a good mobo capable of overclocking and CPU, overclocking on low end motherboards is a very bad idea, most likelly it will kill the CPU or the board itself. The 560ti will max out the game easy at decent frames, the memory will be just fine, u just need to save a little more for mobo+CPU.
It will also be a very good idea wait untill june to get the next gen CPUs, u will be just fine playing on your current athlon untill then, it is not a pentium 4.
Uh, don’t know where you got this from, it’s plain wrong. Nvidia and AMD both use 6gbps GDDR5 clocked at 6GHz (at least the GHz edition does), AMD just has a broader interface of 384 bit instead of 256 bit (with Tahiti) which has nothing to with quality whatsoever, it’s a design decision. My GTX 670 is actually running at 7GHz, the memory overclocks quite well. Also, Nvidia doesn’t suck at high resolutions, AMD is just a bit limited in lower resolutions and then shows its true power in high resolutions where the frontend doesn’t limit. Additionally, for many the price is rectified by NV’s enthusiast features like NVAPI (Inspector), AA bits, 3D Vision support and MGPU advantages – if you don’t care about that, get an AMD card, they’re just as fine, my last card was a 5870 and I didn’t really have any problems with it.
Every Nvidia Card has a very low bus speed compared to AMD at the same price range, which limits the GPU performance at high resolutions and high filter counts, is not where i get that from, it is a plain fact about how videocards works. They cheap out on the bus speed cuz they consider their slower bus are “just fine” at the price range the cards are target at, which means a little extra profit 10$ 20$ in savings out of that, dosn’t seems like a lot but if u multiply that for millions of cards sold in a year it is a decent ammout of profit. Nvidia sucks at high res talking about 3 monitor configs for example that is why a 7970 come as close as 20% slower than the GTX titan while the 680 is about 40% slower. That is also why the 7970 crossfire wipes the floor with the gtx 680 SLI (still talking about 3 monitor comfigs). Nvidia cards have better GPU but the memony interface is just crippling the performance in 9/10 keppler cards.
If u play Tera get Nvidia, it will give u easy 10+ FPS over any AMD card due physx cripling ur CPU while running AMD. Every other game not running Unreal Engine will be better on AMD. Nvidia pricing is really bad, they offer crappy memory even on 670 and 680, they suck at high resotutions compared to AMD, they basically cheap out on their memory in order to get more profit out their cards.
So basically only consider Nvidia if u play a lot games using physx, other than that the 7970 is a no brainer, it will just smoke the 680 while being way cheaper.
Ur video card ir probably installed on the wrong PCI port or running at low multiplier check how fast is running. Download GPUz, check for the PCI express bus speed, should be PCI 2.0 x16 @ 2.0 x16. Anything lower than x8 will give u very low FPS in GW2, (even while other games run perfect).
120hz can be noticed, it is not a big deal but a 120hz monitor provides sharper images while camera is moving, if u play a lot FPS or racing games i’ll say go for it, for 3rd person games it is not so usefull.
Windows 8 performs better than win 7 in every way, boots, turns off faster, everything is silk smooth, everything load faster and games perform better. I own windows 8 myself and can confirm those results, windows 8 is just better, sure it has a new interface but u can use the normal desktop enviroment, also as a gamer ask yourself, how much hours per day u spend at the desktop anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY
U probably will be ok with a 660ti instead the 670 since u willl be playing at 1080p. Other than that build looks pretty solid, i don’t think is worth to reduce the cost on other components.
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High end AIR coolers are actually better than water cooling solutions since they improve in case air flow making ram and videocards run cooler. Water cooling is only better for extreme overclockers and if u use waterblocks on the videocards otherwise a noctua nh-d14 is about the best cooler u can put inside your case (it is ugly tho).
Sorry mate, that board won’t support OCing the 8350, the VRM don’t even have a heatsink, most likelly they will explode soon if un inrease the CPU voltages, i’d recomend 4.2 which u can achieve without any voltage increase, and get the CM 212Evo it will make the CPU run cool as hell for 30$ it is a insane improve from AMD cooling solution. 600w PSU will be more than enough without OCing
Most likelly u will get 4.5 without a lot extra voltage, any cooler, even stock one will support this overclock, a 212EVO will be just fine at this point. I recomend 4.8/4.9 using a Corsair h80 or h100 and 650w power supply will be more than enough considering ur videocard.
Most GPUS will max out GW2 at 1080p, 660ti is recomended at that resolution is a very good GPU with poor memory, perfect for 1080p or lower resolutions, if u want to go higher ress 1440p u need a GTX670, or a hd7950. GTX 680 (not recomended at all) is a bad card since the 670 is almost as fast, it does not overclock very well compared with the hd 7970. If u wanna go for the best get a HD7970 Ghz edition, is power hungry but runs like a charm at stock settings, also has a decent overclock headroom, definitelly faster (Cheper too) than a GTX 680 by at least 15%, even the standard hd7970 overclocked wlll smoke a GTX 680.
Slow memory, and only 4gb, can be a problem running some programs in the background along with the game. Try out Razerbooster it will optimize your system for the game and will provide u the best loads times u will get on that system, (remember to defrag the hard drive, very important).
http://www.razerzone.com/gamebooster
Your system is quite old a HD 7750 will be a good match for the CPU, anything better will be bottlenecked really bad. So either upgrade (800-1000$ is a sweet system price tag), or just get the hd 7750 for now, it is sub 100$, does not require aditional power, and is very good for games. The card will serve u well while u save enough money for a brand new system.
60+ average fps in Lions Arch is like a wet dream fow that cpu… At 16x if your fps doesnt go up its generally cpu.. go do pve with max settings attend highly populated events even wvw then compare the fps… lions arch isn’t where you are supposed to be measuring your rigs true performance
U are so wrong LA is the perfect place to measure system performance, it is very demanding, all the time u get about the same frames 24/7. Evnts are random, WvW is random (not the same 15 ppl than 150, not the same 100 than 120, it is just random u can’t control it, LA u can.), there is no way u can measure ur performance on those places because u will never be able to repeat the benchmarks with the same amount of ppl, spells on the screen, etc.
This game fried my Asus g73 on the launch day… So don’t buy one unless you really have to.
Gaming laptops require special care and computers knowleadge, u must know how to open them and clean the inside, apply thermal compound on the chips stuff like that, constantly monitor the themperature of the components (there are software for that). Sure if u are clueless about computers u will fry ur laptop easy.
Game won’t run on that integrated video card, u will have to get dedicated, a HD 7770, is a cheap, decent option for arround 100$ it will max out GW2 at that ressolution with over 45+ FPS as long ur CPU can keep up. I highlly recomend this card
U may have something running on the backgruond or overheating CPU, 80% load is too much considering the low frame rate, u should check on that, something is cripling ur system that is for sure, it is not the card itself i guarantee that, the CPU is very solid aswell, so there must be something slowing it down. U should probably check the temps, open the case check everything is properlly pulgged into the mobo, sometimes a half plugged in memory stick or the video card itself can give u weir performance problems, also dust is a biatch, make sure everything is clean inside the case u should clean it up once per month to keep it running smooth and cool.
One thing is for sure, there is a problem with ur system, just have to diagnose and fix it, monitoring the system while playing is the best way to do that, i’ll recomend HWinfo64 for that.
Well no laptop will run GW2 properlly (there is no such thing as overkill laptop for gw2 not even the 5000$ ones or desktops), starting from that, u should get the best one u can afford, the CPU is the main thing u should aim at, the best the CPU the best GW2 overall experience will be, so get something with 4 cores that can run at 3.2 ghz on turbo mode and a 650m at least for a fluid medium graphics experience, anything better will be most welcome, but u shouldn’t really go above those specs if u want to enjoy the game.
It is not the card, is either ur CPU or some hardware/software malfunction, i have a 7950 and i have 0 issues, notice GW2 will push your CPU much harder than bioshock or Tomb Raider. Everything performance related in GW2 is 90% of the times CPU related and 10% of some driver or the GPU itself acting up. So yeah monitor the CPU/GPU loads, temsp, and clock speeds while playying on windowed mode in order to isolate the problem.
He has a top of the line CPU and videocard, upgrade is not an option… U can just lower refections and shadows mate (reflections should be totally disabled tbh they kill performance), also try delete Local.dat file located in my documents gw2 folder. Delete (use a specialized uninstaller like “revo unninstaller” highlly recomended) and download brand new drivers. U can also check inside your case if the videocard and memory sticks are properlly seat up, sometimes they appear to be ok but they can give u awfull performance trouble if they are seat wrong on the ports (even while working sometimes)
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Honestly u are looking for a full upgrade, i am not even sure Nvidia 6600GT supports pixel shader 3.0 and 4.0 which most games requires, also the Motherboard/CPU are very old, It was a good system in 2005/2006 but 7 years later, it is obsolete, cannot be upgraded in order to catch up with modern systems.
For GW2 u are aiming at a 800$ system at least in order to get good performance, the game is kitten demanding unfortunally. If u are very tight in budget u could probably get a 550$ machine which would run GW2 decently but bellow that price tag it would be a waste of money since low end Videocards and CPUs can’t really run GW2. Let me know if u need some advice about what to buy and where to get the best online deals.
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The 3570k is better for gaming hands down. Xeon CPUs can play games ofc, just not designed for it, they are designed for power eficiency, so they can run nonstop for days and days, while desktop CPUs i5s, and i7s are designed to run as fast as posible in order to give u the best performance.
It shows 2.0 x16 @ x2 2.0
That means it is installed on the wrong PCI lane or a dusty PCI lane port. Check if is installed correctly (check mobo manual for the PCI 2.0 x16 port), if is installed correctly then procced to unplug the card blow some air into the PCI port and plug it again. IF problem persist do it 3 times, if that dosn’t work report back here.
Download GPU-z print screen the main tab while playing the game, on the second tab u will find the load graphs just print scren that too while playing the game in windoed mode. Then post the screns here