Guild Wars 2

scootshoot.6583:

Reslinal.2359:

Can someone from SoR tell me who are those other guilds are besides ZD, I am honestly confused?

It’s hard to explain SoR’s performance besides low morale when you guys were beating us last week this time or the last time we guys met before League starts. EU time hasn’t even started yet….

Pssssst. Do a search for your server mate Smokee’s past posts. I think he QQ’ed about the impact of what’s the big deal over One guild IRON for months on end. Now substitute IRON for ZD’s and you will get your answer.

Good try though man.

I understand the impact one guild can have on a server’s morale (even though the impact is so big on an unrelated weekend time slot so early is unexpected), I remember that clearly when IRON first transferred over.

But my question is since some of your SoR have been claiming that BG got more guilds than ZD which I am completely unaware of, can some SoR provide some clear answer as to what guilds are they, what timezone they play and how big are they etc?

Botinhas.2018:

Reslinal.2359:

Can someone from SoR tell me who are those other guilds are besides ZD, I am honestly confused?

It’s hard to explain SoR’s performance besides low morale when you guys were beating us last week this time or the last time we guys met before League starts. EU time hasn’t even started yet….

If you are from BG, why are you “explainning” SoR’s perfomance? Just stop the kittenning around, and give us loot bags when it comes to EU primetime, and i’m pretty sure no1 from SoR is gona “tell you”which other guilds you bought, i mean, got, you are very well aware of that, eachone plays the way he wants,

Thank you, I’ll be waiting for your loot bag

Listen, that is a real question, what other new guilds did BG get besides ZD? Since it’s SoR that has been making that claim, of course I am expecting some SoR to provide an answer….

This will be my last response to you unless you can provide some concrete answers instead of whining like an angry child.

Can someone from SoR tell me who are those other guilds are besides ZD, I am honestly confused?

It’s hard to explain SoR’s performance besides low morale when you guys were beating us last week this time or the last time we guys met before League starts. EU time hasn’t even started yet….

I think two styles of play have developed in WvW that are most fun. Organized guild groups in 20-30 people, and small groups (1-3 people) roaming around. The addition of the ruin area on borderlands with the point on stomp mechanism really adds more fun and purpose for small group roaming.

So you will still see blobs, but a lot of times (especially on organized servers) these are not mindless zergs but rather highly cooperated groups communicating on server TS.

As for pointless WvW, it depends on what server you are on. If you are on the top servers in each league (in NA, like T1 on gold or FA/SBI on silver), the WvW is not pointless as the whole server community is trying their best to win their respective league. I know a lot of people are doing overtime just to win. So if you are on one of those servers and join the server community, it’s hard to not get motivated. However, if you are on one of those bottom servers in each league, I guess the feeling is quite different.

Windler.4815:

Butter.3024:

Sreoom.3690:

OMG. Play the frigging season before you whine about losing. Sheesh.

This is a horrible mentality, I guess it’s because you are on JQ so you kind biased

Really? JQ is a server that likes good fights. We get two days of solid fights out of the T2 servers. That’s it. Now everyone is either doing spvp or pve due to no one from the T2 servers want to get in. They’re done with this week. I’m assuming the way you’re kitten, that you’re from BG. That’s just the type of server BG is. They can’t fathom a server wanting good fights as long as they win. So how about you get off our d and know that we’re not the ones that created or wanted this mess.

He is actually on SoR….Hard to take what you say seriously when you bash other servers like this…

Burl.9567:

KumaTazZ.8054:

If Zds move to SoR = not much opponents to fight.
If Zds move to JQ = not much opponents to fight.
If Zds move to lower tier = not much opponents to fight.

IRON should be so proud not QQ.

ZDs move to fight around EU timezone and they pick BG that show so much respect to IRON. (If they move to SoR that means they think Coin+HB are better than IRON)

1. They rate IRON as a worthy opponent.
2. BG has to fight SoR for 3 straight weeks = ZDs can fight IRON for 3 weeks.

If a good guild pick your guild as an opponent that means you guild is good.

Be proud and fight!!

Everyone keeps saying this, but they all fail to realize that ZDs starts up hours before IRON does and they log about an hour after IRON even gets ramped up and starts. So you are all telling me that ZDs came from EU to have fights for about an hour a night with IRON? I hope it was worth it for them…

To be fair though, it’s not unusual to see IRON begin to play earlier than they did this week. Seems Wrex’s illness reduces the time available that IRON can fight ZDs.

I actually do think Zenyatoo gives a pretty accurate story of what happened. BG made it push and come back through late NA/early oceanic and ZDs’ capture of SoR garrison is the straw that completely broke SoR morale.

By the way, is BULL scouting SoR right now? I really hope BULL come to SoR to make EU time zone more to fight in.

assasin of warr.9517:

Reslinal.2359:

spanky.4630:

Reslinal.2359:

I am actually quite disappointed in IRON in this match-up. We see IRON all the time starting play from SEA all the way to NA. And yet when ZD shows up to give you guys good fights, you suddenly stop playing? What happened to the guild that is just here “for the fights” and don’t care win or loss?

On the other hand, guilds like TW and Choo on SoR do still show-up to fight even when the server is losing, that seems to me more aligned with the “for the fights” attitude.

Iron do not start play until 6-7 uk time those iron you see are just floating around .
we would happily fight zds on their own but zd+freinds are just one big map blob
We run tagless and try as hard as possible to run just as Iron. . We are on every night trying our best to combat the blobbiest blobby blobs of bg . And one thing we never do is run from a fight anyone who really knows us knows that’s the case .

The usual prime time for IRON may be 6-7 UK time, however I think a lot of people can attest the fact that it is not unusual to see a decent sized IRON group start playing much earlier. I know our SEA players talk about fighting IRON all the time. So the question is why don’t you guys show up earlier like you did before to fight ZDs?

As for the map blob comment, you may be right you may be wrong. The problem is everyone complains that the opponent server has map blobs, it is hard to tell when it is true and when it is not. However I do think your server maybe demoralized this week while our server has high morale, so we may well be outnumber you in pugs now.

thats not hard Wrex was gone for the whole matchup.
she was our main commander during that timezone.
we only play sea in the weekends not in week cause of work/school. and when did zd show up? yup on monday. Newt matcup we prob gonna see IRON and ZD clash (well i hope)

I am sorry to hear about Wrex and IRON’s inability to play during that timezone this week then. Hope she gets better soon and IRON will come back full force next week.

spanky.4630:

Reslinal.2359:

I am actually quite disappointed in IRON in this match-up. We see IRON all the time starting play from SEA all the way to NA. And yet when ZD shows up to give you guys good fights, you suddenly stop playing? What happened to the guild that is just here “for the fights” and don’t care win or loss?

On the other hand, guilds like TW and Choo on SoR do still show-up to fight even when the server is losing, that seems to me more aligned with the “for the fights” attitude.

Iron do not start play until 6-7 uk time those iron you see are just floating around .
we would happily fight zds on their own but zd+freinds are just one big map blob
We run tagless and try as hard as possible to run just as Iron. . We are on every night trying our best to combat the blobbiest blobby blobs of bg . And one thing we never do is run from a fight anyone who really knows us knows that’s the case .

The usual prime time for IRON may be 6-7 UK time, however I think a lot of people can attest the fact that it is not unusual to see a decent sized IRON group start playing much earlier. I know our SEA players talk about fighting IRON all the time. So the question is why don’t you guys show up earlier like you did before to fight ZDs?

As for the map blob comment, you may be right you may be wrong. The problem is everyone complains that the opponent server has map blobs, it is hard to tell when it is true and when it is not. However I do think your server maybe demoralized this week while our server has high morale, so we may well be outnumber you in pugs now.

I am actually quite disappointed in IRON in this match-up. We see IRON all the time starting play from SEA all the way to NA. And yet when ZD shows up to give you guys good fights, you suddenly stop playing? What happened to the guild that is just here “for the fights” and don’t care win or loss?

On the other hand, guilds like TW and Choo on SoR do still show-up to fight even when the server is losing, that seems to me more aligned with the “for the fights” attitude.

Alternatively I think if all T2 servers can get to the strength of TC right now, you guys may enjoy the fight more since even when facing a T1 server, 2 T2 servers can combine forces to balance the match a bit hopefully…

Shifty.4985:

Reslinal.2359:

Mirsa.1628:

Reslinal.2359:

Axle.5182:

Liquid.9672:

Axle.5182:

BG switched the goal posts stacking EU above and beyond if they had not have done that i would have agreed JQ would have been an ideal destination but SOR is in a better position of countering them at this stage than JQ.

Wait what? No disrespect, but it was SoR receiving even more EU players and in advance of and during league. It has been clear for quite awhile that SoR had the solid EU numbers advantage. Did ZDs change that all by themselves?

You guys have seriously overestimated our guilds numbers IRON is the single strongest represented guild we have during EU the other two are small havoc 10-15 each, I think there has been more concentration on the number of guild names appearing in the SOR roster than the actual total number these guilds have brought and or fielding. i know every single one of your EU guilds from across the pond an average estimate HIB is a bit larger than AFTL with maybe 20, COIN 25-30 and ZD’s can field about 30-35 possibly now around the same as COIN after the move, i think that’s more than enough to Counter IRON and whatever small groups SOR has.

We on BG agree that we have superior EU now with the coming of ZDs, that’s why a lot of us here are trying to push BULL to SoR. However before ZDs come over, SoR does have superior EU. Coin has 20-30, RK has 15-20, and HB has 15-20, however HB only plays 3 days a week, so our usual EU coverage is only Coin and RK before ZDs coming over.

Evidently, math is not a strong suit of BG players.

IRON runs 30 during prime time, give or take a few. Add a few pugs (not many, since we only run untagged) and we’re at around 35.

COIN and RK love to hold hands with HB, so based on your numbers, 20-30 + 15-20 + 15-20 = 50-70 + the loads of pugs you have. A lot more than the 30 or so that IRON runs.

Perhaps we ought to be flattered that people think SoR was/is stacked in EU even though it’s basically a couple guilds that are coordinating.

No offense but maybe you should read more carefully yourself before insulting others. Your own server mate said you have two guilds running 10-15 besides IRON’s 30-40 (see the post I quoted). So that you have 50-70 consistently while BG can only field similar numbers when HB is playing, which only about 3 days a week. And don’t make it sounds like SoR has no pugs. So you guys outnumber us 4 days a week before ZDs coming….

Guild wise we outnumber you, but you have a huge pug force which completely swings it to you outnumbering us every day of the week

Glad to get some IRON to at least admit you outnumber us guilded number wise:) As for pugs, you maybe right you maybe wrong but frankly there is no way for me to tell since it’s hard to get an accurate number. I am sure some players on BG may think SoR has more pugs from their perspective….

Mirsa.1628:

Reslinal.2359:

Axle.5182:

Liquid.9672:

Axle.5182:

BG switched the goal posts stacking EU above and beyond if they had not have done that i would have agreed JQ would have been an ideal destination but SOR is in a better position of countering them at this stage than JQ.

Wait what? No disrespect, but it was SoR receiving even more EU players and in advance of and during league. It has been clear for quite awhile that SoR had the solid EU numbers advantage. Did ZDs change that all by themselves?

You guys have seriously overestimated our guilds numbers IRON is the single strongest represented guild we have during EU the other two are small havoc 10-15 each, I think there has been more concentration on the number of guild names appearing in the SOR roster than the actual total number these guilds have brought and or fielding. i know every single one of your EU guilds from across the pond an average estimate HIB is a bit larger than AFTL with maybe 20, COIN 25-30 and ZD’s can field about 30-35 possibly now around the same as COIN after the move, i think that’s more than enough to Counter IRON and whatever small groups SOR has.

We on BG agree that we have superior EU now with the coming of ZDs, that’s why a lot of us here are trying to push BULL to SoR. However before ZDs come over, SoR does have superior EU. Coin has 20-30, RK has 15-20, and HB has 15-20, however HB only plays 3 days a week, so our usual EU coverage is only Coin and RK before ZDs coming over.

Evidently, math is not a strong suit of BG players.

IRON runs 30 during prime time, give or take a few. Add a few pugs (not many, since we only run untagged) and we’re at around 35.

COIN and RK love to hold hands with HB, so based on your numbers, 20-30 + 15-20 + 15-20 = 50-70 + the loads of pugs you have. A lot more than the 30 or so that IRON runs.

Perhaps we ought to be flattered that people think SoR was/is stacked in EU even though it’s basically a couple guilds that are coordinating.

No offense but maybe you should read more carefully yourself before insulting others. Your own server mate said you have two guilds running 10-15 besides IRON’s 30-40 (see the post I quoted). So that you have 50-70 consistently while BG can only field similar numbers when HB is playing, which only about 3 days a week. And don’t make it sounds like SoR has no pugs. So you guys outnumber us 4 days a week before ZDs coming….

Axle.5182:

Liquid.9672:

Axle.5182:

BG switched the goal posts stacking EU above and beyond if they had not have done that i would have agreed JQ would have been an ideal destination but SOR is in a better position of countering them at this stage than JQ.

Wait what? No disrespect, but it was SoR receiving even more EU players and in advance of and during league. It has been clear for quite awhile that SoR had the solid EU numbers advantage. Did ZDs change that all by themselves?

You guys have seriously overestimated our guilds numbers IRON is the single strongest represented guild we have during EU the other two are small havoc 10-15 each, I think there has been more concentration on the number of guild names appearing in the SOR roster than the actual total number these guilds have brought and or fielding. i know every single one of your EU guilds from across the pond an average estimate HIB is a bit larger than AFTL with maybe 20, COIN 25-30 and ZD’s can field about 30-35 possibly now around the same as COIN after the move, i think that’s more than enough to Counter IRON and whatever small groups SOR has.

We on BG agree that we have superior EU now with the coming of ZDs, that’s why a lot of us here are trying to push BULL to SoR. However before ZDs come over, SoR does have superior EU. Coin has 20-30, RK has 15-20, and HB has 15-20, however HB only plays 3 days a week, so our usual EU coverage is only Coin and RK before ZDs coming over.

Hope you guys decide to come to SoR, the more EU guilds in NA the merrier!

Seuche.4809:

Reslinal.2359:

And also given ZDs is transferring to NA to find fights

BUAHAHAHAHA

Sorry, should say ZDs is transferring to NA to escape queue and hopefully finding fights while doing so:)

And also given ZDs is transferring to NA to escape queue and find fights, if they go to JQ this week, they would get bored to tears….It does seem that the most logical servers for them to go to NA to find consistent fights for a while are BG or SoR, given SoR has IRON and at least perceived superior EU coverage, I am not surprised they come to BG instead.

Starscream.7803:

Reslinal.2359:

Butter.3024:

Starscream.7803:

Butter.3024:

Starscream.7803:

MasterYoda.8563:

Starscream.7803:

That would be that playing for fights thing we go on about. Even though your post was sarcastic you at least get what we was trying to do, being in your garrison was the only way to get a decent fight going.

Alot of your server mates like to use the SoR playing for fights thing as a reason to chest thump when you win, but its nice to see some people get it.

Please leave SoR and take the rest of IRON with you, you all clearly have no interest of helping SoR win this tournament and your 6hr karma training yesterday did the server no good. There is a time to karma train and a time to get serious but its obvious IRON only cares about loot bags. Oh becuase BG got a new 40 man EU guild is no excuse either for a loss of points lead we did have.

So the point loss was just from IRON? Sorry to be the once to tell you think but those points were lost going from NA to sea/oceanic (not blaming those guilds before you come back with that) , it was a little early for IRON. BG’s new guild is not EU either, they are russian, which again means alot of their play time is a little early for IRON. Are you sure you are on SoR? you dont really know what you are on about.

Me and IRON are staying, come on Yoda, you know yopu love us really <3

Just wondering what’s the mentality of IRON when we lose 25k points to BG in 3 days?
Do you guys still push? Do you guys aim for PPT more or just keep looking for fight and karma and bags?

IRON takes stuff all the time. But we have never made any secret about wanting good fights. When we lose 25k points in 3 days in a time zone we have no control over I for one dont let it bother me one bit. (I am not speaking for any other members of IRON here)

We are 1 guild and we play when we can. We dont do “all calls” and I wont emo rage over losing points because of a coverage problem. Sorry guys but I just dont take the PPT seriously and dont give a kitten about getting a shiny finisher. To Yoda and any others that think IRON should move server – how do you think that would help with the PPT loss and gaps with coverage?

If you want a official answer I am sure a officer will see this and maybe answer, Offski would be a good bet for a reply when he gets on.

Again i apologise for my lack of emo over the scores each week, as much as I try, I cant bring myself to care if i win or lose as long as i have fun and have good fights.

Wait wut o,o

I thought in SoR coverage, NA prime time is the best and then SEA and then EU. No?

Is SEA the worst then?

Frankly the coverage strength of T1 servers change all the time. SoR used to have strongest EU and Est NA and weakest SEA compared to BG. Now I think BG and SoR are more or less equal in NA, but SoR has stronger SEA and BG may have stronger EU now giving the coming of our Russian overlords:)

Not sure I agree with that, we have been struggling in sea and from what I have seen personally we have been outnumbered alot by BG, but thats only from jumping between SoR and BG borderlands. It well be different on the other maps, but if you see the PPT that BG has been ticking at, it seems that BG has the greater coverage. EU is a bit of a debate, IRON is only 1 guild and we are never short of people to fight against, but yeah, ZD’s are going to change alot.

To the ZD member who said you are small and only take camps – why did you have to take our garrison </3

I think a lot of what you are seeing in SEA ppt wise is simply because BG got all waypointed keeps from oceanic time while SoR keeps except garrison is paper. Given the huge advantage BG has to start SEA with, the fact that SoR still achieves equal and a lot of times higher PPT indicate to me that SoR has better SEA at the moment:)

Butter.3024:

Starscream.7803:

Butter.3024:

Starscream.7803:

MasterYoda.8563:

Starscream.7803:

That would be that playing for fights thing we go on about. Even though your post was sarcastic you at least get what we was trying to do, being in your garrison was the only way to get a decent fight going.

Alot of your server mates like to use the SoR playing for fights thing as a reason to chest thump when you win, but its nice to see some people get it.

Please leave SoR and take the rest of IRON with you, you all clearly have no interest of helping SoR win this tournament and your 6hr karma training yesterday did the server no good. There is a time to karma train and a time to get serious but its obvious IRON only cares about loot bags. Oh becuase BG got a new 40 man EU guild is no excuse either for a loss of points lead we did have.

So the point loss was just from IRON? Sorry to be the once to tell you think but those points were lost going from NA to sea/oceanic (not blaming those guilds before you come back with that) , it was a little early for IRON. BG’s new guild is not EU either, they are russian, which again means alot of their play time is a little early for IRON. Are you sure you are on SoR? you dont really know what you are on about.

Me and IRON are staying, come on Yoda, you know yopu love us really <3

Just wondering what’s the mentality of IRON when we lose 25k points to BG in 3 days?
Do you guys still push? Do you guys aim for PPT more or just keep looking for fight and karma and bags?

IRON takes stuff all the time. But we have never made any secret about wanting good fights. When we lose 25k points in 3 days in a time zone we have no control over I for one dont let it bother me one bit. (I am not speaking for any other members of IRON here)

We are 1 guild and we play when we can. We dont do “all calls” and I wont emo rage over losing points because of a coverage problem. Sorry guys but I just dont take the PPT seriously and dont give a kitten about getting a shiny finisher. To Yoda and any others that think IRON should move server – how do you think that would help with the PPT loss and gaps with coverage?

If you want a official answer I am sure a officer will see this and maybe answer, Offski would be a good bet for a reply when he gets on.

Again i apologise for my lack of emo over the scores each week, as much as I try, I cant bring myself to care if i win or lose as long as i have fun and have good fights.

Wait wut o,o

I thought in SoR coverage, NA prime time is the best and then SEA and then EU. No?

Is SEA the worst then?

Frankly the coverage strength of T1 servers change all the time. SoR used to have strongest EU and Est NA and weakest SEA compared to BG. Now I think BG and SoR are more or less equal in NA, but SoR has stronger SEA and BG may have stronger EU now giving the coming of our Russian overlords:)

Keiel.7489:

Since I’ve been back oceanic in SoR has never had that many. But usually BG didn’t outnumber us by this much. I’m not keen on guild movements between servers but oceanic numbers are pretty abysmal in comparison. Recently NA players have to stay up extra late to help or hold out till SEA/early NA time.

What you are seeing right now is mostly BG’s NA doing overtime. I think one major difference is that some of our main NA guilds are PST based like ICoa and KnT while most SoR NA guilds are EST based. So it is easier for our NA force to pull over time into oceanic to help our Oceanic guilds:)

Despite the talk of 2 vs 1 against JQ, it does seem that every server is getting 2vs1ed at least in their home borderland. In fact BG is the only server that did not hold their bay or hills for more than 1 day…does that mean there are actually more 2vs1 against BG?:)

Will the map play feel like skyhammer? A lot of people really don’t like skyhammer..

The GW2 hub guy on reddit is saying "this map will generate regardless of “overflow”. It’ll be selectable like any other."

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1opmta/wvw_the_edge_of_the_mists_press_audio/

Tarkus.4109:

Reslinal.2359:

You probabely should read the posts before posting as no one is arguing for stat buff:)

You should have read some of the previous posts and threads about this earlier where people have argued for the stat buff. Note that I also said in the post that the bloodlust changes didn’t encourage small team play, it encourages more of the blobbing that people complain about. In that larger pop servers would get it for the buff, if not to split off into smaller teams – I was basically saying that it was intended to split the zerg but failed in doing so.

Hmm..as far as I can see, most if not all posts in this thread is arguing ANET should not remove the ppt on stomp and should remove the stat buffs, mind link to who your posts are responding to?

As for whether bloodlust buff split the zerg or not, guess different players have different experiences since I certainly see more havoc groups running around since the bloodlust change.

Tarkus.4109:

The massive stat bonus was often awarded to the server that had the highest population at that time, thereby making the rich even richer. It may be argued that if you have blood-lust you have obviously split up and capped the points, but often as not in practice if you are a defending force against a 45+ man blob that gained triple blood-lust due to a massive base population it is hard to pull it off them as you have to defend against that blob.

The stat nerf was a positive thing as it lead to more even fights, with the incentive to stomp remaining – meaning that there is a strong motivation for farming kills. Reducing the stats means that the fights are fairer and more competitive, and also means that killing a 50+ (* bloodlust) man blob with 25 defenders on map isn’t kittenedly hard. However, bloodlust has always incentivised larger groups, and supported the more populated server.

To the guys who are arguing so strongly for the stat buff, why do you want to get an overpowered stat buff while you currently outnumber most of your opponents in most timezones if you are facing any non-t1 server. I’d have just been happy with the points from stomping, but the passive stat bonus was always too much as it unbalances fights even more in favour of the bigger zerg.

tl;dr: Nerfing bloodlust is the way to go, as stat bonuses dependent on player pop always favour the larger zerg.

You probabely should read the posts before posting as no one is arguing for stat buff:)

Johje Holan.4607:

Zikory.6871:

Styx. Like a lot of posts above, your bringing up a population issue. Its not a issue with the bloodlust mechanic. If you had the population to spare a few players or had a few players dedicated to bloodlust it wouldn’t be as much as a problem. (just to stay clear, I’m talking about the points for stomps, not the stats) I’ll say the population issue is a completely different topic than this but does need to be addressed by the WvW team, also leagues did not help rather it made it worse.

All I’m saying is for balanced match ups the points for stomps added a new and refreshing strategy to the game. As boulderblog pointed out it brought a new fun meaning to the game for players that were on the brink of quitting.

For blow out matches it won’t matter either way, its still going to be a blow out. The thing with the pre patch bloodlust was the stats that made it a issue for under populated servers. From my understanding (via posts here on the forums) must player in those match up tend to look for fights and just enjoy them selves rather than care about PPT. If that is the case then points for stomps shouldn’t change your mind set for playing the game.

If they revert the change on bloodlust to 3 points per stomp for holding 3 orbs and greatly lower or remove the stats, that would give servers that care about PPT or winning the match something to go for and server that don’t wouldn’t be effected on the field.

If they are dead set on having some kind of stat on it, make it +/- damage against/to guards. Imo leave siege related buffs off as that again would make the stronger server stronger.

The population issue and the bloodlust mechanic are intertwined. As are other forms of power creep.

Power creep in and of itself is bad. The negative aspects of it are greatly compounded when you have population imbalance.

There was a good post about the negative aspects of the stomp bonus but I can’t find it right now. I think +3 is too much. Its probably ok where it is now, I haven’t decided.

Even if all three have +1 then it still gives advantage to the more organized side who decides to stomp like you were talking about. And preventing the other team from having that +1 is still incentive for keeping them from having it.

First of all, no one here talks about the stat bonus on bloodlust buff, so the power creep point is moot, we support completely removing the stat bonus.

Second, stomp on ppt actually rewards the side that is under-populated or have less coverage but plays better (e.g. better havoc groups coordination to control bloodlust, better open field combat, better discipline of the force to stomp instead of kill). In fact, it is actually possible for servers that losing points in off-hours now to come back in prime hours because there are more people to stomp during that time.

Third, during matches when stomp on ppt actually does make the strong server stronger, it usually does not have meaningful negative impact anyway. Who cares if a server is losing 130k now because of stomp on ppt instead of 100k without? During matches where servers only care about fights, stomp on ppt has no relevance whatsoever, but it does adds fun and depth to matches that are semi-balanced.

Swamurabi.7890:

Reslinal.2359:

Swamurabi.7890:

Reslinal.2359:

Swamurabi.7890:

Samhayn.2385:

Swamurabi.7890:

As long as uneven matchups exist;

Any boost, whether it’s stats or points per stomp, is bad for the game

Get out of your T1 bubble and see how the rest of the WvW world is.
You might find that what’s good for T1 is bad for WvW.

I love how being Tier 1 invalidates anything we have to say.

how bout this, No NA server has less then a high population so maybe if the other people on your server left the LS or dungeon for a bit you may be able to to field a force that could push your rating.

Bloodlust will be a broken mechanic for 6 out of the 7 weeks this season for Gold league. What makes T1 arguements invalid is that T1 is a balanced tier, something that you don’t see in most of the matches. That’s why I started out with “AS LONG AS UNEVEN MATCHUPS EXIST”

As for getting the rest of my very high server population to participate in WvW, why don’t the T1 servers stop recruiting/buying guilds from other servers and get the people on their own server into WvW. This way every server can grow their WvW population.

I love how the T1 population thinks that since they got to T1, anyone else can too. Except for the last 32 weeks, nobody has dropped out of T1, and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change for the next 8 weeks either.

But you guys in T2 are screwed regardless whether there’s ppt on stomp for bloodlust or not though….does it really matter to you that now you are only going to lose by 100k instead of 130k without ppt on stomp? I can see how stat on bloodbuff affects you because it actually affects the fights, but ppt on stomp?

Also the ppt on stomp is not only good for T1, it’s good for any semi-balanced fights throughout the tiers as it adds depth to the fight and allow servers with slightly less coverage in off-hours to actually come back if they play well in prime hours. Isn’t that a lot that you guys are asking for?

One balanced match, out of 17. Works as designed.

EU
NA

Why are you pick selected samples like this week? How about last week like this http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/111?

And again balanced matches has nothing to do with bloodlust but to do with ANET’s way of matching servers, why are you trying to mix the two together? If you are losing by 100k anyway, does it really bothers you that much that you may lose 130k now because there are ppt on stomp for bloodlust buff?

Use the whole sample, instead of just the one that slightly makes your point better.
EU week 40 0 of 9
NA week 40 3 of 8

so 3 of 17 close matches justifies having a boost for the 14 of 17 blowout matches. So for the last 2 weeks we have 4 out of 34 close matches where bloodlust is a desired mechanic. Care to go back farther? After all, there was a thread that has one of the highest reads in the WvW forum…..

Server-Match-up-is-TERRIBLE
Isn’t it ironic that the matchup that started this popular thread was SoR/TC/SoS, a matchup that could happen in the gold league?

And the reason why this is important is that with the new league matches, there will be very few “balanced” matches and a vast majority of blowout matches. T1 is going to have 10 different matches possible 7 weeks. ONLY 1 of the 10 matches will be BG/SoR/JQ.

I still don’t understand this is related to the ppt on stomp buff in what way? Are you saying those unbalanced matches will not happen if there’s no ppt on stomp? Or players on the loosing severs of those matches will feel better if they are loosing by 200k vs 230k with ppt on stomp?

My point is ppt on stomps adds fun and depth to semi-balanced matches while have no relevant impact on one-sided matches. Yes the match making in the past months sucks and may or may not continue to suck in the league and anet needs to improve that. But it has nothing to do with removing ppt on stomp from bloodlust buff.

Have No Faith In Me.1840:

Only T1 servers think bloodlust is fine, what a surprise.

Stacked Quarry, Stackgate and Sanctum of Stacking do not see the negative impact bloodlust causes on the game, because they are mindless drones, flocking to the security of player numbers while 1 mashing and opening champ loot. Try thinking about what it implements, think. You know, with your brain?

Enlightening me then, how does ppt on stomp from bloodlust buff actually make things worse in semi-balanced matches and why does it have any relevant impact on lopsided matches anyway?

With the ppt on stomp, servers that play well in NA prime actually can make up the points they lost in off hours. Why? Because you have more people to stomp in prime hours than in off hours, so bloodlust buff actually rewards good play in prime hours more. Isn’t that what you are asking for and good for balance?

Swamurabi.7890:

Reslinal.2359:

Swamurabi.7890:

Samhayn.2385:

Swamurabi.7890:

As long as uneven matchups exist;

Any boost, whether it’s stats or points per stomp, is bad for the game

Get out of your T1 bubble and see how the rest of the WvW world is.
You might find that what’s good for T1 is bad for WvW.

I love how being Tier 1 invalidates anything we have to say.

how bout this, No NA server has less then a high population so maybe if the other people on your server left the LS or dungeon for a bit you may be able to to field a force that could push your rating.

Bloodlust will be a broken mechanic for 6 out of the 7 weeks this season for Gold league. What makes T1 arguements invalid is that T1 is a balanced tier, something that you don’t see in most of the matches. That’s why I started out with “AS LONG AS UNEVEN MATCHUPS EXIST”

As for getting the rest of my very high server population to participate in WvW, why don’t the T1 servers stop recruiting/buying guilds from other servers and get the people on their own server into WvW. This way every server can grow their WvW population.

I love how the T1 population thinks that since they got to T1, anyone else can too. Except for the last 32 weeks, nobody has dropped out of T1, and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change for the next 8 weeks either.

But you guys in T2 are screwed regardless whether there’s ppt on stomp for bloodlust or not though….does it really matter to you that now you are only going to lose by 100k instead of 130k without ppt on stomp? I can see how stat on bloodbuff affects you because it actually affects the fights, but ppt on stomp?

Also the ppt on stomp is not only good for T1, it’s good for any semi-balanced fights throughout the tiers as it adds depth to the fight and allow servers with slightly less coverage in off-hours to actually come back if they play well in prime hours. Isn’t that a lot that you guys are asking for?

One balanced match, out of 17. Works as designed.

EU
NA

Why are you pick selected samples like this week? How about last week like this http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/111?

And again balanced matches has nothing to do with bloodlust but to do with ANET’s way of matching servers, why are you trying to mix the two together? If you are losing by 100k anyway, does it really bothers you that much that you may lose 130k now because there are ppt on stomp for bloodlust buff?

Swamurabi.7890:

Samhayn.2385:

Swamurabi.7890:

As long as uneven matchups exist;

Any boost, whether it’s stats or points per stomp, is bad for the game

Get out of your T1 bubble and see how the rest of the WvW world is.
You might find that what’s good for T1 is bad for WvW.

I love how being Tier 1 invalidates anything we have to say.

how bout this, No NA server has less then a high population so maybe if the other people on your server left the LS or dungeon for a bit you may be able to to field a force that could push your rating.

Bloodlust will be a broken mechanic for 6 out of the 7 weeks this season for Gold league. What makes T1 arguements invalid is that T1 is a balanced tier, something that you don’t see in most of the matches. That’s why I started out with “AS LONG AS UNEVEN MATCHUPS EXIST”

As for getting the rest of my very high server population to participate in WvW, why don’t the T1 servers stop recruiting/buying guilds from other servers and get the people on their own server into WvW. This way every server can grow their WvW population.

I love how the T1 population thinks that since they got to T1, anyone else can too. Except for the last 32 weeks, nobody has dropped out of T1, and it doesn’t look like that’s going to change for the next 8 weeks either.

But you guys in T2 are screwed regardless whether there’s ppt on stomp for bloodlust or not though….does it really matter to you that now you are only going to lose by 100k instead of 130k without ppt on stomp? I can see how stat on bloodbuff affects you because it actually affects the fights, but ppt on stomp?

Also the ppt on stomp is not only good for T1, it’s good for any semi-balanced fights throughout the tiers as it adds depth to the fight and allow servers with slightly less coverage in off-hours to actually come back if they play well in prime hours. Isn’t that a lot that you guys are asking for?

aspirine.6852:

Reslinal.2359:

aspirine.6852:

kingcragus.6810:

aspirine.6852:

“Population has always and will always let servers win if it is too great. The bloodlust buffs and stomp points gave servers a fighting chance when their coverage is close within reason.”

And when a server is completly outnumbered 24/7 by a huge margin, it’s not only giving them more stomp points and higher stats but the outnumbered server no fighting chance, none..

Then you have lost any way so kitten.

No need to make it worse.

But the ppt on stomp actually make semi-balanced matches more fun with more depth. Are you saying they shouldn’t try to make semi-balanced matches more fun because servers in lop-sided matches that is now going to lose by 130k instead of 100k?

Well we are currently 210k behind, they could probably keep the bonus if they match the servers a bit better

I agree with you that they should match the servers better:) But again it should have no impact on the bonus point or not since the bonus point is meant to improve the semi-balanced matches (and actually gives the servers with less coverage in semi-balanced matches a better chance at winning).

For lopsided matches, losing by 210k or 180k really does not make a difference and is no reason to reject the bonus point and deny semi-balanced matches a more fun and in depth experience:)

aspirine.6852:

kingcragus.6810:

aspirine.6852:

“Population has always and will always let servers win if it is too great. The bloodlust buffs and stomp points gave servers a fighting chance when their coverage is close within reason.”

And when a server is completly outnumbered 24/7 by a huge margin, it’s not only giving them more stomp points and higher stats but the outnumbered server no fighting chance, none..

Then you have lost any way so kitten.

No need to make it worse.

But the ppt on stomp actually make semi-balanced matches more fun with more depth. Are you saying they shouldn’t try to make semi-balanced matches more fun because servers in lop-sided matches that is now going to lose by 130k instead of 100k?

The point is if you are outnumbered so greatly, does it really matter that you are going to lose by 100k or 130k (the latter due to enemy has bloodlust buff with points on stomp)? With the original points on stomp, it’s actually possible for some server that was going to lose by 30k (due to slight less coverage in off hours) to win the match now through superior bloodlust control and open field combat. So I don’t understand why would you want to give up a deep mechanism just so that a server can feel good that oh I am only losing by 100k now not 130k.

I completely agree that the stat bonus on bloodlust buff should be removed, but the ppt on stomp of bloodlust actually does give the server with less coverage a better chance than before when they are not outnumbered too greatly. It adds depth to semi-balanced matches (even for low population servers when they get to face opponents that are not too overpopulated) and should not be nerfed just to appease to losing servers in lopsided matches.

Also people on this forum keep saying that oh we want NA to matter more than off hours in deciding winners. Guess what, with the original points on stomp, it’s actually closer to what you want. Opponent servers dominating in off hours cannot get too many points from bloodlust buff because there are no one to fight; servers that play smart, manage bloodlust better, winning open field battles more during prime time actually can make a big impact on PPT because there are more people to fight during that time!

Yeah I feel ANET somehow over nerfed the bloodlust, without the ppt on stomp for each bloodlust hold, there are far less incentive to fight over the bloodlust now, especially since they don’t give reward anyway.

Hi can any dev answer the question for me regarding the bloodlust buff. It used to be if your server holds three bloodlust, it provides 3 points per stomp. Now if I am reading the notes right, it seems to imply that it only provides 1 point per stomp now even if you hold all three bloodlust buff?

Is there any reason why there’s such change as I don’t remember anyone complain about the point benefit of bloodlust buff.

I feel with the new build, HGH build just became too good not to take. In addition to high damage, condition removal, it now also get on-demand stability and stealth. Is there any reason not to run this build anymore?

Jeydra.4386:

Is it fair to say that BG vs. JQ vs. SoR is essentially aggressive play during NA timezones and then defensive play during every other timezone? Are there enough players even during these other timezones to defend with? And is it fair to say that a 3-way match between the three servers is a case of “whoever plays better that week wins”?

Also does BG have collective “donate your siege blueprints to the commanders” movements?

It’s more about being aggressive during your strong time zone and be defensive during your weak time zone, and try to ensure the best handover with wp keeps across time zones as much as possible. Every server even in their weak time zones typically has enough people to at least defend two maps (ebg and home bl). I think while play better is really important, a lot of times it’s more like “whoever plays the hardest that week wins”.

That being said, while there’s a certainly a good chance for BG to win T1, the chance is probably smaller compared to a more stacked server like JQ as BG guilds will need to play harder and smarter. So if the only reason you want to join a T1 server is to win gold league, BG may not be the one with the highest odds. However, if you just want to join a T1 server with good competition and a tight community that work together to try to win gold league, BG is a good choice that can guarantee you will have a good journey.

I think siege donations is purely voluntary, I am not sure if we have any movements to donate sieges though.

OliT.7945:

In all seriousness BG, please please recruit more oceanics. This is 500 tick is boring a hell.

I think it’s time for tkg to come back to BG to help balance the servers again:)

I have yet to receive an invitation:)

Some big take away:

1. More rewards in WvW and a way to get back piece.
2. Reduced stat bonus on bloodlust and further changes are going to be made to encourage smaller servers to take them as a come back mechanic.
3. ANET top level are seriously concerned with the alt unfriendliness going on and more changes are going to be made to address the problem.
4. No new map should be expected any time soon.
5. Dev team see lack of incentive to fight when loosing as number one issue in WvW, they are brainstorming however no concrete plan has yet be revealed.

just comfirmed stats on bloodbuff will be significantly reduced

Unfortunately unless there are measures we can actually use to find out what you just described, we have to settle with proxies.

Also I don’t understand your argument that have all random people or guilds going for wvw join in the same community TS even if they are in their own channels does not help with organization. I don’t know about how JQ/SoR works, but BG has ways that allow commanders to call for help from all members on TS even when they are in their own channel. And we have found that have guilds be on the same TS is definitely better communication wise than having them on their own separate TS.

Since there is no definite ways to measure organization, I consider measure the percentage of people that want to get into WvW on the same TS a good proxy, certainly better than none with just some empty statements.

Nuked.2360:

Reslinal.2359:

Nuked.2360:

Reslinal.2359:

Well at least mine have some things to support the argument than just state opinions:) You can argue whether the evidence fully supports my argument, but it is better than nothing….

And I do consider the ability to get 700 people to join your community TS for WvW as a sign of good organization, you disagree?

Considering only 90~ max per BL that puts you guys with 300+~ sitting in queues.

From what I heard the queue time on reset night does not seem to be too different among t1 servers, on bg it’s usually about 2 hours for reset night, is it similar to jq/sor?

If anything the number just allow us to truly understand the wvw population size on all t1 servers. Bg is just able to measure it more accurately because we get a higher percentage into ts.

The WvW population size can only be measured if Anet released the numbers. The amount in TS isn’t directly proportional to people on the map due to a variety of factors. Yes TS is helpful but it doesn’t show you a comparision of numbers. Just because a server doesn’t have as many in TS doesn’t mean their population is lower.

I am not sure you understand my argument, let me retry. There are two potential explanations for the 700+ people on BG TS:

1. BG has more people trying to do WvW than the other two T1 servers at reset night.

2. The number of people trying to do WvW on reset is similar among three servers but BG manages to get a higher percentage of them on TS, which i believe is a sign of good organization.

Now we cannot measure the number trying to do WvW on reset night directly, but we can use queue time as a pretty good proxy. The queue time on BG for reset night is about 2 hours, which I heard is similar to JQ/SOR. This indicates that we have similar level of people trying WvW, which refute explanation 1 and support explanation 2, thus support my argument that BG has good organization.

Nuked.2360:

Reslinal.2359:

Well at least mine have some things to support the argument than just state opinions:) You can argue whether the evidence fully supports my argument, but it is better than nothing….

And I do consider the ability to get 700 people to join your community TS for WvW as a sign of good organization, you disagree?

Considering only 90~ max per BL that puts you guys with 300+~ sitting in queues.

From what I heard the queue time on reset night does not seem to be too different among t1 servers, on bg it’s usually about 2 hours for reset night, is it similar to jq/sor?

If anything the number just allow us to truly understand the wvw population size on all t1 servers. Bg is just able to measure it more accurately because we get a higher percentage into ts.

Well at least mine have some things to support the argument than just state opinions:) You can argue whether the evidence fully supports my argument, but it is better than nothing….

And I do consider the ability to get 700 people to join your community TS for WvW as a sign of good organization, you disagree?

PvE

all servers have good pve communities
BG has the most hard core PvE community, evidence: world first kill in Teq

WvWvW

most organized goes to BG, evidence: similar queue time as SoR/JQ but over 700 people on TS at one time
longest T1 tier server goes to JQ
most hardcore server goes to SoR
Server with best SEA goes to JQ, Server with best NA EST goes to SoR, Server with best NA PST goes to BG, hard to tell who’s the best in EU now given the reshuffling, used to be SoR

Best server support roaming

BG, evidence: most score from non tick among all NA servers
Followed by SoR and JQ according to:
http://www.gw2score.com/index.php?action=currentscore&sort=hidden_points_percent&ad=desc

Server with most role play

TC , but you didnt put them on the list

Most number of forum warriors

SoR wins this hands down, evidence: check the thread pages that involves SoR vs ones involve BG/JQ

Best server if you love GvG

SoR 1st
JQ and BG come at a tie at 2nd place

Most resilient server

Each server has their own unique strength
BG: dropped out of T1 3 times but came back each time
JQ: dropped to 3rd on T1 several times but came back, never dropped out of T1
SoR: Kept fighting for a long time as 3rd and finally took the win

Best server for casual gameplay

BG
TC 2nd
JQ and SoR tie for 3rd spot

Footnote: Difference between my list and Fuzzion’s is that mine is supported with some evidences while his is purely based on personal opinion:)

Burl.9567:

Reslinal.2359:

Burl.9567:

Where did I say any of that? I never stated anything about SoR population numbers. My only comment is that BG has more players than they are willing to admit. They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.

You didn’t in your post explicitly, but you were responding to a post that tries to counter the claim of one of your servermate about SoR has weak oceanic coverage, do you expect people not to put your argument into context?

And you just said in your post again “BG falls behind – fairweather players gone”, or more specifically “They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.”

So when we have this: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109, it’s because BG fairweather players are not playing, and when Sor was losing on Monday its because it doesn’t have enough manpower in oceanic?

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

If I didn’t post it explicitly, I didn’t state it. Simple as that. Don’t attempt to read between the lines on anything I post. There is no hidden meaning in my posts. I’m not trying to get you to eat a cheeseburger at lunch with some subliminal message. BG numbers get fewer and fewer as the week goes on due to fair-weather play. I am saying nothing more and nothing less.

What? I said you made your points from responding to the following posts, not in that particular isolated post alone. No one needs to read between the lines to see your point since it’s already there:

Burl:
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Tajz.9826:
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Azure.8412:

Can’t even have a proper statement on the forums anymore without any bad trolls like you jumping on it. I’m simply stating facts. HIRE has become more SEA lately, causing there to be a gap in Oceanic. Honestly, even when we matched up only with BG, we never led much at all in Oceanic, simply because our presence is depleting.
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You mean this? http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109 :P Make the fact straight. your HIRE may be starting late toward SEA more but your entire oceanic/SEA as a server is still really on the upperhand if you compared to BG, especially since tarkus and his gang packed his bag to JQ.The big lead you get is starting from mid Oceanic up to EU. Yes i do agree that you may have less Oceanic/SEA if compared to JQ now but still far more compared to BG.
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I don’t see how your link helps you make your point. BG did quite well on Monday and then gave up the rest of the week. If that’s the point of your post, you made it well. You have the numbers, you just lose participation throughout the week due to your WvW population being more fair-weather than your competition
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Are you trying to spin my words again?

Burl.9567:

Neuromancer.2148:

Burl.9567:

Tajz.9826:

Azure.8412:

Stealth.8150:

Azure.8412:

I really think SoR has the weakest Oceanic now, with HIRE fading more and more.

QQ more about coverage. you guys had no problems with coverage last week.
just admit your na’s got slaughtered today and your oceanic’s paying for it

Can’t even have a proper statement on the forums anymore without any bad trolls like you jumping on it. I’m simply stating facts. HIRE has become more SEA lately, causing there to be a gap in Oceanic. Honestly, even when we matched up only with BG, we never led much at all in Oceanic, simply because our presence is depleting.

You mean this? http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109 :P Make the fact straight. your HIRE may be starting late toward SEA more but your entire oceanic/SEA as a server is still really on the upperhand if you compared to BG, especially since tarkus and his gang packed his bag to JQ.The big lead you get is starting from mid Oceanic up to EU. Yes i do agree that you may have less Oceanic/SEA if compared to JQ now but still far more compared to BG.

I don’t see how your link helps you make your point. BG did quite well on Monday and then gave up the rest of the week. If that’s the point of your post, you made it well. You have the numbers, you just lose participation throughout the week due to your WvW population being more fair-weather than your competition.

So..

SoR falls behind – population imbalance
BG falls behind – fairweather players gone

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

Where did I say any of that? I never stated anything about SoR population numbers. My only comment is that BG has more players than they are willing to admit. They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.

You didn’t in your post explicitly, but you were responding to a post that tries to counter the claim of one of your servermate about SoR has weak oceanic coverage, do you expect people not to put your argument into context?

And you just said in your post again “BG falls behind – fairweather players gone”, or more specifically “They just happen to be more fair-weather than the other servers.”

So when we have this: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/109, it’s because BG fairweather players are not playing, and when Sor was losing on Monday its because it doesn’t have enough manpower in oceanic?

Is there like a symposium for spin in SoR?

I’d like to have an invite as well, thanks!