Guild Wars 2

I don’t really see what’s there to QQ about. SoR received an EU guild that helps it to dominate that time zone and gives you the advantage to win current T1. We are not discrediting the efforts of SoR players, you guys played hard and deserve to win.

However the reason a server can consistently win T1 is always because of more coverage, that’s how JQ beat SoS, how BG beat JQ, and how SoR is beating BG right now. It’s the effort of some SoR trolls that try to contribute their wins to other reasons (SoR has more skills, better community, BG is collapsing for whatever reasons etc) that we do not agree with. I don’t think that’s QQ.

Hoots.9564:

Reslinal.2359:

gebrechen.5643:

Complained? The other two servers told you that you totally burnout your guilds. And you did.

Just wondering why you think our guilds got burnout? Our oceanic/sea guilds still show up everyday and offer good competitions to ATM and FOO. It’s not our fault that with SoR getting a proper EU guild we are not able to compete in that time zone anymore with overtime guilds…

This does not explain your problem during NA time zone, the T3 excuse is sad when you think back to the T2 SoR vs BG months.

I am sorry but I am confused. He was talking about our oceanic/sea guilds burned out because they play over time in EU and I disagree, what has that to do with NA? We always have problems in NA est time zone even back in T2 days, the problem is even worse now that we don’t have a strong HB anymore and SoR has strong EU.

Hoots.9564:

MagiKarp.8201:

We received Meow, WM, RiSE, KOR and KO

We now have similar if not equal coverage in SEA timezone, the reason we won this week was because we held onto our objectives… I know hard thing to believe that you can cap something in OC/SEA hold it through EU and then give it to NA at T3…

This is why we won, we held 300+ ppt for 3 days straight after that massive 450 ppt NA / Oceanic / SEA by JQ on Monday night (NA) Tuesday for every1 else.

JQ flipped all the maps but didnt hold onto them into NA, I went to sleep that night 260vs260 ppt woke up to 350 ppt, our EU had done a great job in holding and upgrading keeps/tower.

Reason BG has been so successful and survived is our coordination between guilds who are used to working together and the new turnover, we used to have a big gap between NA and Oceanic where JQ would capitalise and take all our stuff, now with MERC starting on the dot Oceanic timezone, eliminate your inefficiencies and win.

I for one am sick of the toxicity coming out of our opponents whenever we win / do well, maybe reflect on this as a server and think about it, maybe this was the reason WM, Meow, RiSE, KO, KOR chose BG over SoR and JQ.

Found this nifty post from our 4/26 thread, interesting comments from this fellow in regards to the organization BG has(wish this was still true). Also interesting how hes sick of the toxicity from his competitors when they won, sounds very similar to what BG is doing to SoR. Its quite an interesting read tbh, read through it if you have the time, BG was practically begging for SoR to get guilds for empty time slots back then! I’m sure you could also answer that BG denying OT question from earlier in that thread as well!

He said the reason BG was winning against JQ back then is because we were able to cooperate and compete with JQ in oceanic and SEA time and hold our ppt through EU. Now we still can compete with JQ in Oceanic and SEA but won’t be able to hold ppt through EU anymore because SoR has more coverage in that time zone. I don’t see which part of that you think is wrong?

gebrechen.5643:

Complained? The other two servers told you that you totally burnout your guilds. And you did.

Just wondering why you think our guilds got burnout? Our oceanic/sea guilds still show up everyday and offer good competitions to ATM and FOO. It’s not our fault that with SoR getting a proper EU guild we are not able to compete in that time zone anymore with overtime guilds…

Burl.9567:

Maelwaedd.5842:

salluks.6017:

When IRON was looking to transfer, 4 servers including DB were scouted and , at the time BG was actually dominating and SOR was 3rd and hadn’t won a single game in tier 1, i dont recall BG saying no to IRON at the time.

maybe try recruiting wvw guilds rather than PVX guilds for a change.

SOR got 1 guild and BG has got 6-8 guilds including WM,BT. if u still don’t manage to be competitive, rather than recruiting more and more guilds, maybe look at the core problem?

Actually BG did say no to IRON, they were told that any move to tier 1 would unbalance the tier and were advised to go to a tier 2 server such as TC, DB or FA, they were told the numbers of euro players on BG and JQ, and there would be not be much opposition to there numbers and that current euro timezone scores were a result of SEA guilds staying up late, IRON were told if they chose to move to BG we would do what we could to assist them but our recommendation was to go to tier 2

JQ unfortunately looks less attractive to transfers due to how dominate they have been in tier 1, the fact that a few guilds have left them hasn’t quiet filtered through and JQ could use some transfers, but I doubt that the SEA timezone is where they need their recruits

So you wanted them to transfer to T2 to unbalance that tier? If T1 can’t handle 1 30 man Euro guild moving in, T2 definitely can’t handle it. So BG plays overtime (finally admitting it) to give the impression of Euro coverage and now they are complaining that it attracted Euro guilds to the tier?

We all warned you what all that overtime you guys were putting in was going to do. You didn’t listen. Excuse me if your cries for help fall on deaf ears.

Hmm..I don’t think BG ever denied that our EU ppt was due to Oceanic/SEA putting in over time. I may be wrong but it would be nice if you can post a link showing us saying that:)

Omnitek.3876:

Reslinal.2359:

Omnitek.3876:

Reslinal.2359:

Omnitek.3876:

Every server that wins once (except BG for some reason) gets a morale boost. More “part time” wvw and pve players join. Who doesnt like to win? On the opposite side, when you win for 10 weeks straight and/or push extra hours, people get bored or burnt out. Ebb and flow.

That’s because that first BG win was purely a combination of luck, dedication, and complacence of JQ, not because BG has more coverage. Just like JQ’s first win against SoS I guess:) The effect you talk about only happens when the server has the coverage to dominate like SoR does right now.

Cliffs: we all have excuses and are better than everyone else because….

You just proved my point. BG won because of skill/dedication because you are on BG. I disagree on most of the why because I am not on BG. Who is righT? U are on BG but biased. I am an outside that isn’t biased, but lack inside knowledge.

In the past 2 weeks there have been an increase in queue times. Not because we are stacked (all full servers are), but because of the morale boost of winning pulled people back to WvW.

SoR will fall out of #1 eventually. 3 weeks or 10, it will happen.

Sorry, I did not claim BG won our first match because of skill, did I? If you paid attention to that first BG win at all you’d know that we won because our guilds pulled a big push the last minute when JQ slacked off, you can still find posts from JQ players that also admit it. And right after that match JQ came back with a vengeance and dominated 4 weeks in a roll.

This is a complete different situation with SoR’s current wining streak, you gained a guild that helps you to dominate coverage wise, that’s why your server morale is high and more players are coming out. This is also what happened to BG in our second and third win until SoR got more coverage.

We win, not stacked. You win, stacked. Mystery of the universe solved.

By right, IRON won T1 solo. Thanks for carrying me offski!

Hmm..it seems you are just trying to be condescending without even understanding what we are discussing. BG eventually beat JQ because we got more stacked, it lasted two weeks until SoR got more stacked. However the first time BG beat JQ (was Tysm even on SoR that time?) was not because we had more coverage but because JQ slacked off, just like that’s how JQ beat SoS back that one time in new year.

Winning because you are stacked will bring up morale until you get beat in the coverage game, winning because of one time circumstances will not persist is all I am saying.

Omnitek.3876:

Reslinal.2359:

Omnitek.3876:

Every server that wins once (except BG for some reason) gets a morale boost. More “part time” wvw and pve players join. Who doesnt like to win? On the opposite side, when you win for 10 weeks straight and/or push extra hours, people get bored or burnt out. Ebb and flow.

That’s because that first BG win was purely a combination of luck, dedication, and complacence of JQ, not because BG has more coverage. Just like JQ’s first win against SoS I guess:) The effect you talk about only happens when the server has the coverage to dominate like SoR does right now.

Cliffs: we all have excuses and are better than everyone else because….

You just proved my point. BG won because of skill/dedication because you are on BG. I disagree on most of the why because I am not on BG. Who is righT? U are on BG but biased. I am an outside that isn’t biased, but lack inside knowledge.

In the past 2 weeks there have been an increase in queue times. Not because we are stacked (all full servers are), but because of the morale boost of winning pulled people back to WvW.

SoR will fall out of #1 eventually. 3 weeks or 10, it will happen.

Sorry, I did not claim BG won our first match because of skill, did I? If you paid attention to that first BG win at all you’d know that we won because our guilds pulled a big push the last minute when JQ slacked off, you can still find posts from JQ players that also admit it. And right after that match JQ came back with a vengeance and dominated 4 weeks in a roll.

This is a complete different situation with SoR’s current wining streak, you gained a guild that helps you to dominate coverage wise, that’s why your server morale is high and more players are coming out. This is also what happened to BG in our second and third win until SoR got more coverage.

Very good points, I agree. ANET really need to utilize their map space to the fullest given their limited map size. More power to siege is not the way to go.

Omnitek.3876:

Every server that wins once (except BG for some reason) gets a morale boost. More “part time” wvw and pve players join. Who doesnt like to win? On the opposite side, when you win for 10 weeks straight and/or push extra hours, people get bored or burnt out. Ebb and flow.

That’s because that first BG win was purely a combination of luck, dedication, and complacence of JQ, not because BG has more coverage. Just like JQ’s first win against SoS I guess:) The effect you talk about only happens when the server has gained the coverage to dominate like SoR did.

Israel.7056:

I played for several months on Blackgate server and now I’ve spent a little over two weeks on SoR and I have to say that I think there are some pronounced differences between the way each server operates on multiple levels so it’s turned out to be more than just forum rhetoric.

Interesting, what do you think are the biggest differences? I always imagine SoR is more militaristic.

Burl.9567:

Neuromancer.2148:

Burl.9567:

Are NA servers complaining about coverage during NA prime time now? What a sad state your servers must be in if you can’t get your NA population to play. You want to complain about SEA and EU, fine. I get that. But to complain that your NA can’t compete is just pathetic. The EU guilds thinking of transferring to JQQ and BG should really start looking at the T2 servers instead.

NA servers don’t necessarily mean good NA coverage. I don’t know why people keep insisting on this.

You are playing on a T1 NA server. It’s not an excuse either. You don’t get here without have a good NA presence.

You get to T1 by having a normal NA presence while a top non-NA presence. Having queues on 2 to 3 maps is definitely a normal/decent NA presence, however that’s not enough to compete when the other server can queue 4 maps on an average weekday.

SykkoB.9465:

do u not read the t2 matchups or the recruiting threads where tc says they can que all 4 maps or that db can que 3 of 4 and have a good force on the 4th ??

also some lower tiers have also said they can have ques on 2-3 maps during na weird how t1 server has less ppl during na prime then lower tiers huh

There is a big difference between queueing 2-3 maps vs queues on all 4 maps. BG can regularly queue on 2 or 3 maps, however it’s at the expense of not having enough force to counter SoR on the 4th map in current t1 meta, and that’s usually where most of SoR’s ppt lead coming from during NA.

Also I see you completely avoid talking about my second point about how BG never stacked our off-hour coverage since it is recruited to compete with JQ while SoR dominate in your off-hour coverage.

SykkoB.9465:

sor is not the only server that can que the maps during na prime tc db and many others can do it maybe u shoulda recruited some na guilds instead of trying to stack off hour coverage

You sure DB and TC can queue all 4 maps in NA on a weekday? I am interested to hear where you collect that information.

Also unlike you, BG’s off hour coverage actually needs to compete with JQ, which to this day still remains a competitive time zone. While your off hour coverage in EU just runs dominant most of the time…

Aurust.8961:

aelflune.8590:

Zen.8497:

aelflune.8590:

Yeah, we can’t really complain, although it makes the whole SoR shtick about looking for good fights look lame as well.

SoR is looking for good fights but that can only happen if your opponents meet you halfway. Bring it on and we will have only good fights.

There’s nothing we can do if no one besides you guys play at those times, mate.

BG has 24/7 coverage…..

Not enough coverage to compete with your coverage when you can dominate EU and run mass zergs at 5 a.m est like today. You are also the only server that has queues on all 4 maps in NA during weekdays (indicated by your own people).

Your sense that server population indicating stacked is also completely flawed. If server population indicating stacked, then TC must be the most stacked server ever as they have the longest Full status.

Hmm..I think the winners in those matches are guanranteed for sure…

suprNovae.5410:

I don’t like the fact that the new ranking system is partially based on random numbers. Tbh I didn’t understand the whole new ranking but I wish Anet would create a situation where people focus more on the weekly matchup points than on the ranking points. :/
With the new ranking system the mos.millenium site gets kinda useless because they don’t know the random number.

Maybe anyone can correct myself and explain it for dummies with EU servers? :P

Pretty much your server get a random rating within a certain range each week. Based on the current data we have and range specificed, it seems T1 servers will be randomly matched with any servers above T4 for now.

This new system introduces more randomness than even a winner up and loser down system, which is already bad to begin with. I fear once the freshness of the new matches wear off, people is going to be more frustrated with the new system than old system. Now instead of a progression ranking system that is too hard to climb, we don’t even have the ranking system anymore…not to talking about all the 1 sided matches we are going to have…

All we were asking for is just a system that allows winner and losers a bit easier to move up/down, not extreme movements like this.

Ascii.9726:

sostronk.8167:

Is this true? Are the rumors true? Has BG quit their borderlands?

I’m not sure about “quit” maybe out-manned because there having to deal with SoR hammering SM atm.

BG seem to be super zerg-balling one map over the past couple hours, they were defending a fully upgraded Bay on SoR so we (TW) hopped maps and took there fully upgraded Garrison with (IRON) with no resistance and when they turned up to retake we hopped back to SoR and took Bay anyway.

I think that got the ball rolling for a full red map as everything was paper afterwards, (CHOO) took over in BG-BL and seem to be holding it down pretty well.

Too bad the majority of the BG forces are still stuck in work or traffic. Our players from PST will come back soon:)

can you fixed the range now and issue a refund later when it’s ready? Most people concerned about wasted traitline will be happy as long as they know a refund is coming, meanwhile a lot of people are unhappy with the current range and would like to see it reverted as soon as possible.

Just a quick question, were there only 8 teams signed up or there was already a round of elimination.

Hmm..you guys just got beat quite convincingly in the cash tournament, seems there’s more room for improvement than you indicated in your post:)

this thread needs a sticky or an arenanet comment. So how long until the stream start and who’s casting?

The thing is SoR is an opportunist player and only try to play for second (mainly due to their coverage shortage I assume). So when BG was blue and relatively weaker compare to JQ, SoR chose to double team us. Now JQ seems to be weaker compare to us. it seems SoR decide to double team JQ instead.

Mistakes happen, I don’t think your step down is necessary.

Chris.3290:

Congrats on a fine victory BG, but you guys need to reign in RISE on the forums. They’ve been there 2 weeks and they are acting like they are the sole reason you are winning.
I’m sure they are pumped to be a part of the push that is putting you guys over the top, but they are accounting for 90% of the BG chest pounding in this thread.

RISE is a fine addition to BG and they have worked hard for the past two weeks. Without the great effort from them and other ex-KN guilds, BG would never achieved what we achieved today. I think you guys are being overly harsh on RISE just because they were a little bit too excited on the forum. Above all they are still new to the tier and don’t have the full grasp of the etiquettes and love hate relationship between the three servers yet.

Sprawl.3891:

Reslinal.2359:

Sprawl.3891:

Rerroll.9083:

Sprawl.3891:

Vena.8436:

Farry.8259:

Downstate, gliding camera, abilities that once start are uncanclebale etc etc.

Saying etc, etc doesn’t exactly build a point. Moreover I question your understanding of the mechanics of this game, you can cancel an on-going ability/animation so long as its not a mobility skill that has a fixed trajectory and must carry out said trajectory. (Unless, somehow everything is vastly different when not playing a guardian.)

Neverwinter’s combat is not good as far as my opinion of it goes, and its certainly never going to amount to anything in PvP because of the crazy model its running with in the cash shop.

I’ve generally never understood the dislike of downed state except on a topic of balance between the classes. Its a mechanic and you learn to play with it, just as in Aion you’d learn to play with flying.

flying didn’t make 2v1 lesser skilled players extremely difficult and 3v1 virtually impossible

In a balanced mmorpg with equally geared people 1v3 will ALWAYS be impossible, and 1v2 rare

with equal gear AND skill maybe. but an elite player should be able to take out multiple lesser skilled players. or if equal skilled players perform poorly they should be punished for it. but with downed even a couple bad players or someone who makes tons of mistakes can simply be saved by down state

1 vs 3 even 1 vs 5 happens regularly in WvW. The fact you don’t have that happen in tournament may be means the match making actually works on personal skill level?

it happens in WvW because of level 80s in full exotics facing 5 level 15s in blues.

Hmm..maybe you should watch more WvW videos, plenty are posted while the player 1 vs 3 full level 80s. Please don’t make assumptions when you clearly don’t have the knowledge.

Sprawl.3891:

Rerroll.9083:

Sprawl.3891:

Vena.8436:

Farry.8259:

Downstate, gliding camera, abilities that once start are uncanclebale etc etc.

Saying etc, etc doesn’t exactly build a point. Moreover I question your understanding of the mechanics of this game, you can cancel an on-going ability/animation so long as its not a mobility skill that has a fixed trajectory and must carry out said trajectory. (Unless, somehow everything is vastly different when not playing a guardian.)

Neverwinter’s combat is not good as far as my opinion of it goes, and its certainly never going to amount to anything in PvP because of the crazy model its running with in the cash shop.

I’ve generally never understood the dislike of downed state except on a topic of balance between the classes. Its a mechanic and you learn to play with it, just as in Aion you’d learn to play with flying.

flying didn’t make 2v1 lesser skilled players extremely difficult and 3v1 virtually impossible

In a balanced mmorpg with equally geared people 1v3 will ALWAYS be impossible, and 1v2 rare

with equal gear AND skill maybe. but an elite player should be able to take out multiple lesser skilled players. or if equal skilled players perform poorly they should be punished for it. but with downed even a couple bad players or someone who makes tons of mistakes can simply be saved by down state

1 vs 3 even 1 vs 5 happens regularly in WvW. The fact you don’t have that happen in tournament may be means the match making actually works on personal skill level?

Yeah, if i have to choose, I’d rather have JQ than SoR in T1. I think most BG think so too. Plus without JQ, our Oceanic/SEA guilds will get bored soon:)

nay, i believe more BG want to push SoR out instead, hehe. We enjoy our fights with JQ:)

Kreen.3925:

My word I see the trolls and “fair weathers” have come out from ALL three servers in the last few days.

How about some perspective although why I am bothering given that folks just want to either whine or boast I am pondering right now. No doubt the same trolls will just dump on me as well, honestly who cares, I grew a think skin years ago, give it your best shot, just remember I bite and hard.

The reality is that BG got a bunch of new folks and that has also invigorated their existing playerbase. Remember it was only a few weeks ago the same trash were writing them off, well more fool that trash. At the same time JQ has seen a reduction in numbers out in the field due to some guilds taking a break/moving to DB etc, thats not an excuse, its just a fact. The SEA advantage JQ had is being paid back in spades by BG and thats fair enough. Circles are forever turning. SoR is also suffering somewhat from what I see out in the field with regard to numbers. Well done to BG, great competition.

The match is still fairly close is it not? There is still fun to be had out there and thats a good thing. Whether the point spread is still close at the end of the week depends on all three servers. If BG continues to do a big push every EU session then they will no doubt pull away somewhat but thats WvW. JQ has been the big dog for awhile, they have also been a poor 3rd in T1 at times and even spent a week in T2 back in September.

As long as I am still having fun and enjoying WvW then I am in. I have only ever known JQ, been here since beta and I don’t plan to jump ever unless its a new shiny game, most likely ArcheAge. The regulars I see in WvW every session seem to feel the same way. The core stills strong its just that BG is stronger right now, more power to them, they did a good recruitment drive, we did one a few months back.

Anyway, good luck to all three servers for the rest of the week, I hope you all get a bag with a precursor in it although that might crash the TP but taht would be be new as well

Good post. Most of BG do understand the current performance is just the typical ebb and flow of WvW. We were there couple weeks ago and completely understand the situation. Best hope to always having more competitive T1 fights in the future.

LethalxKiller.3571:

If you guy’s truly wanna know why JQ gave up a 17k lead here it is. JQ as a whole has gotten bored of the repetitive wvw match up that we have now since the match up hasn’t changed much in a long time. (Guest in JQ la and ask this is the answer that you will get) Overall JQ is tired of wvw after weekend hype and a large lead and says lets go do something else that we havn’t been doing for months on end. JQ will continue to slack off until something new is added to wvw but until then have fun bg with first then maybe you guys will feel the same after a bit too.

I am sorry but this really does not make sense. JQ is bored because the match up hasn’t changed much and had a large lead on weekend. And yet if anything you guys are being truly challenged this week in a long time and is no longer in lead, isn’t that directly contradict what you said and should give you guys enough motivation?

Will the beasts from the Black Gate finally overwhelm the old guards of the Jade Empire?

Will the warriors of the Sanctum continue to fight for their beliefs despite the odds?

Or will the Dragon beneath make its eventual rise and shake T1 world once and for all?

The fighting for the Iron Throne continues and the world of T1 has entered a new era — the coming of the dragons.

The thing is it does not matter whether a significant portion of the players like the new AC changes or even the new AC changes is good for the game play in the long run. The fact is the new AC changes has irked a significant portion of the existing player base and damaged the playing style of some players, this means potential loss of players at no obvious gain to the company and is bad for the health of the game overall. Like someone said, it’s better to have a bad plan with full support than a good plan with only half of the people support you.

So unless ANET is sure that the new AC changes will attract a large number of new players to replace the lost customers, the developers better do something quickly to either revert or modify the AC changes before people start leaving.

GW2 China is based in mainland? If that’s the case, I doubt too many players from Taiwan or Hongkong is going to move over because the servers there may be censored.

yeah, some of our guys are still working hard to make sure we will be green this week, hehe.

I play on NA t1 and have been on both the side that tries to use AC in open field battle (with WM) and the side that tries to destroy opposing zerg (with KnT against TW) that uses AC in open field battle. While it adds some elements in open field battle, it is certainly not as game breaking as some people here tries to make it sound. We lost the field battle where we tried to use AC and won the field battle when the opposing side tried to use AC.

Devon, besides reducing damage to sieges, can you also reduce the base damage of arrowcart a bit? I understand it is intended to be used as anti-personal weapon, however the current iteration is way too good at this role that it overshadows real player actions.

Kript.3291:

Imist.1540:

I just hope no one from JQ xfers to bg. (or anyone for that matter)

oh wow…this is deteriorating fast…

come on JQ, i thought you guys have the most loyal PvE population that would always help you when the server’s wvw needs them…

i remember someone told me that…

Kript, can you stop this unneeded bashing of JQ, it’s getting tiring and we in Blackgate do not need posts like these.

Kreen.3925:

Cirus.5748:

KN guilds transferring is really shaking up tier 1, I just hope that the competition is close, I don’t care who wins, I just want WvW to be interesting, and I’ve wanted this for a very long time now, even when I was on SoS and they were still winning.

This man gets it. I am surprised very few other BG posters have acknowledged the large influx of players they have received recently. Set this influx against some recent changes on JQ and we have good competition for number 1 spot. JQ needs to pull its socks up. Lets see if that can happen.

Oh, we fully acknowledge it. Without all the help we get from KN (you guys rocks!), we would have still been fighting hard for 2nd instead for 1st spot now. With all the new guilds in BG, now JQ hopefully will find some true challenges, and the ball is now in JQ’s court to decide to fight for 1st or not.

The AC changes may be too much and even may be hurting the game, but can we at least give it a little bit more time to properly evaluate the situation?

I wish FOO and/or the Chinese alliance will be back in force soon. The game is not as exciting without them.

Unlike the arrowcart change which the effect need to be wait and see, I do think this change is bad. This change combined with arrowcart change pretty much just encourages whole map zerg ninja tower/keep before 30 seconds up, which is horrible.

if you can pull that off, ANET will nerf AC for sure:)

Yeah, i think ANET’s rational is quite simple, they want to discourage whole zerg ram-rush down doors and make siege last longer. Now we have to wait to see if this change is too much or people can adapt.

The arguments here really demonstrate the difference between two play styles in wvw. People who prefer proper siege warfare like the change and people who like open field fights and only use objectives as focal points to find action hate this change.

It’s hard to fill the desire of both groups at once, maybe instead of complaining about the change, the second group should encourage ANET to tweak the mechanisms to encourage more open field battles? I think this change is good for the siege warfare aspect of WvW (the range of AC needs some tweaking) and who knows it may actually create more opportunities for open field battles as well (like more open field siege battles, and more efforts at blocking reinforcements etc).

You are correct that there are two type of players in WvW, people who prefer long drawn-out proper siege warfare and people who prefer open field battles. The problem with your suggestions is that it diminishes the fun for the first type players while I am not sure it’s going to create as much fun to the second type players as you suggested. While you hope that reduced hp of walls and gates and king of hills type siege warfare is going to encourage more rapid response and more group fighting in keeps, I fear the end result is just more zergs going to go around each other to flip keeps as it seems to be the least resistance path to take.

Personally I think ANET should leave the siege warfare as it should be while creates more reasons for people to engage in open field combat (e.g. making blocking off the exit of keep and cutting off reinforcement more important, or more reasons to engage in open field combat to maybe destroy siege placements). I think it’s bad idea to mix open field combat into siege combat as neither party will be fully happy with what they get.

I tried to watch couple custom arenas or full spvp servers but it keeps telling me the game is full. Does it mean you cannot watch a game that has full players like 20?

Jet.4795:

Kript.3291:

JQ 230 at the end of SEA time? where’s your FOO now?

Wheres our FOO? Has to be stupidest thing I have ever heard, FOO is still there and fighting but if you have all of BG force pushing even FOO can’t stop them all. But I would like to point out after 1 night of ppt leading against us and the point gap for 1st place decreasing. The trolls start comming out, I only have one thing to say to BG. You still have the rest of the week to keep pushing and so do we.

The guy you respond to is from SoR not BG. We have been enjoying the fight in BG so far and it seems our trolls are really just focused on SOR:)

I for one am really glad there’s no healers required in this game. Enjoyed the combat much more in this game than in GW1.

Raven Paradox.1860:

Wait so Agg, EMP, and Icoa left JQ/BG and went to Dragonbrand? Or is it just a small group of those guilds that decided to leave the big one and start a new one?

If you read the rB member’s post earlier in the thread, rB has 11 former ICoa members that left to pursue their own fun.