Guild Wars 2

I like the skirmish system, I think it reduces the score runaway problem a bit and makes caring for scores a little bit stronger compared to before. There are three areas I think the skirmish system can improve on:

1. Make players more aware of a skirmish starting and ending, and give players more incentive to win a skirmish. Some others have mentioned some announcement lines and I think it is a good idea, also making adding a time countdown and a big win announcement may help too.

2. Current skirmish system making catching up rather difficult if you are behind (e.g. if you are 15 points behind by the middle of the week, it will take more than 30 hours to catch up). One solution is too add a winning streak bonus for any side that is not currently leading in total victory points (so if a team that’s not first and wins 3 skirmish in a role will get 1 or 2 additional victory points until it becomes first). This will make come back more likely and more exciting matches.

3. Using skirmish system to encourage more uniting between 2 weaker servers against strong server. This was hard to do with the old points system, but now you can simply awarding the same points to 2nd and 3rd server and makes only winning first matter.

In the end, I think the skirmish system is pretty neat, if you want to further reduce the problem of night capping, you can always give more weights to prime time hours in awarding victory points.

Gold league in seasons is mostly just about T1 servers competing with each other though. Whoever ends at 6th probably doesn’t really matter that much because except the first match all t2 servers are going to fight with at least 1 t1 server in their matches. So those matches are going to be lopsided with or without a strong 6th server.

I feel a solid third server in T2 is only really needed during off season times, which hopefully can happen once season 3 is over.

The Guild Wars 2 World Tournament Series gives a total of 150k prize pool breaks down to three chances at 50k each. There is some misconception from players about the total prize pool size so I just want to point it out. I think ANET marketing team really need to do a better point at making the selling point of the new tournament more clear:)

Kreen.3925:

Reslinal.2359:

I would like to see a video by JQ to celebrate its victory as well (if you have the organization to make one:)),

Organisation to make one is not a problem. We have plenty of folks who are good at making videos. We congratulated the server community on our own forums. That was enough for us.

The organization part is a small joke:) As I said too bad as I would like to see a cool video, but I understand if that is not your server’s style of doing things.

gebrechen.5643:

Reslinal.2359:

The video is more about server pride and a thank you to our BG members who fight to the last. I would like to see a video by JQ to celebrate its victory as well (if you have the organization to make one:)), things you do for server pride is what keeps GW2 interesting to me.

I don’t think you will see anything like that from us.
We are more the “work is done, f.. that kitten, have another beer and enjoy your time” – kind of server.

Too bad, I would be really interested to see a video from JQ. Personally I feel making a video together bring the server community closer and foster more proud. But I understand different server has different styles of achieving that:)

Ayrilana.1396:

I said blind arrogance as in so arrogant that you cannot see how arrogant you are. You’re posting a video about server pride on these forums. You started out the video with sound clips including one about capping TC’s garrison. You have text across the screen about how outmatched you were but endured. You also posted this on the forums rather than BG’s own forums.

I mean no disrespect when I call out this thread for it. I’m just pointing out what others, including myself, see when they view this threads and others like it. If JQ or TC made a thread that featured footage of BG, I’m sure many people would take it as gloating.

The sound bit is to add a “cool” factor to the video as it is real across map TS communication between commanders at the time. It is WvW and I don’t see what is the big deal of capturing someone’s garrison, especially not as an insult. The video is about BG in season 2, so outnumbered but endured is what happened, what else would be the theme of the video?:) And the video is posted to mainly let other bg players who don’t visit server forum to see and feel proud.

I mean I don’t see the difference between this video and other guild videos posted out there on the forum. It is to let people who are interested to see a well-made video and to let BGers feel proud. The video did not even boast anything about “victory” of any kind and congrats the winner.

I understand a video about a server fighting other two servers in an environment with intense rivalry maybe viewed by some as “gloating” regardless of its content. However the intended audience of the video is server mates who don’t join server forum, so I don’t see why we should stop a server pride tradition just because some non-target audience are a bit sensitive and feel uncomfortable about the video.

Ayrilana.1396:

Reslinal.2359:

Ayrilana.1396:

Reslinal.2359:

Vol.7601:

I for one cannot wait for the inevitable 2v1 in Season 3.

This is what happens with arrogance, BG

The video is more about server pride and a thank you to our BG members who fight to the last. I would like to see a video by JQ to celebrate its victory as well (if you have the organization to make one:)), things you do for server pride is what keeps GW2 interesting to me.

BG has its own forums. Why not post it there rather than on here?

I think because a lot of militias on BG don’t read/join server forum:)

Also some of us think of this as a way to tell JQ/TC if they think their 2v1 will stop us from showing server pride they are wrong:)

Having server pride is one thing but being so arrogant to irritate and annoy everyone else will only make things worse. This thread was created to troll JQ/TC and display blind arrogance.

I don’t think this video has any boasting in it besides saying BG will never surrender even against odds? It actually congrats JQ as the winner at the end. So I don’t see why the video is about arrogance rather than server pride:)

Ayrilana.1396:

Reslinal.2359:

Vol.7601:

I for one cannot wait for the inevitable 2v1 in Season 3.

This is what happens with arrogance, BG

The video is more about server pride and a thank you to our BG members who fight to the last. I would like to see a video by JQ to celebrate its victory as well (if you have the organization to make one:)), things you do for server pride is what keeps GW2 interesting to me.

BG has its own forums. Why not post it there rather than on here?

I think because a lot of militias on BG don’t read/join server forum:)

Also some of us think of this as a way to tell JQ/TC if they think their 2v1 will stop us from showing server pride they are wrong:)

Vol.7601:

I for one cannot wait for the inevitable 2v1 in Season 3.

This is what happens with arrogance, BG

The video is more about server pride and a thank you to our BG members who fight to the last. I would like to see a video by JQ to celebrate its victory as well (if you have the organization to make one:)), things you do for server pride is what keeps GW2 interesting to me.

Rimmy.9217:

How it tends to be if the servers we are against have similar numbers to us is that you pop the first upgrade and drop a ballista, so you can hold off other roamers until you’ve got to the extra guards upgrade, which tends to make camp flips longer / more opportunity for a mistake. And a minder in the lower camps or bouncing between a couple of camps.

Usually if you have a low population you tend to do this at the camps near the enemy’s spawn since that’s where they’ll typically , though not always, go first.

And it’s less about the PPT (although you are mindful of that), it’s more about reducing the available supplies to structures for upgrades/siege because those are the PPT you want.

Again, bearing in mind that you don’t have total map control as an option when you have reduced numbers. So, you pick your battles based on who you have available. PvDoor isn’t normally practical at this level, so denying supplies for upgrades to walls and gates really lets you flip structures with an eye on the timer.

But you’re right, it’s not pure PPT at this level and it wasn’t when we were in T4 either, so maybe there’s some reality or pressure in T1 that I’m not quite grasping.

This is what roamers on BG try to do a lot of times as well, though the enemy home camp (camp closest to enemy) is usually heavily defended along with sentry player scout, so 1 or 2 roamers usually will not get the job done.

This season since many times we are not able to defend our structures against 2v1 long enough for them to be upgraded, on some maps we actually break up into multiple teams and do cooperate attacks on JQ/TC objectives simultaneously. The goal was to keep their structures/camps from upgrading, which allow us to easily cap them for tick even when we don’t have our own keep. The strategy worked pretty good on reset nights, but not on weekdays when the structures got upgraded from other time zones.

Rimmy.9217:

Reslinal.2359:

This is interesting. I run a condi build instead of dps build though, do you think it matters? Can you link me some videos showing engineer/or other condi spec cap camps in roughly 40 seconds? Would love to learn more.

I went and had a look, but I didn’t really find what I was looking for.

I don’t roll my engi in WvW very often, but I’ll make one if after asking around none of my servermates have any.

You don’t find that after grouping up the npcs your bomb kits drop them quickly?

That would be great. Group up and bomb/grenade is fast, but at least for me the condi damage is just not fast enough to kill and cap in about 40 seconds even with interrupting supervisor’s heal.

Rimmy.9217:

I hate to sound like I’m calling you out, but if you solo camps all the time and it takes you a minute usually, then something is wrong. If the swords are coming up any sooner than when the capture bar is halfway finished, you must have had the kind of sneeze that bangs your head on the desk, throwing off your npc grouping.

This is interesting. I run a condi build instead of dps build though, do you think it matters? Can you link me some videos showing engineer/or other condi spec cap camps in roughly 40 seconds? Would love to learn more.

Rimmy.9217:

The only time you’d want the aforementioned 5-10 people flipping a camp is if they need to the supplies to subsequently flip a tower, or if they are running supplies to help defend an objective that has been cut off. Otherwise, why waste the ^entitypower?

If there are blobs waiting to descend sixty strong on a camp that is being flipped (and they shouldn’t have seen swords unless you’re doing it too slowly), then 5-10 probably isn’t going to help you, and you could have got the same effect with 1-2 and freed up those other people to flip a couple of other camps more or less simultaneously while the blob is stopping the cap of ONE cap, you see?

The biggest problem is that JQ/TC usually have defenders in the camps around tick, or very close by/on their way to camp, make it hard for 1-3 man team to cap before more reinforcement arrives.

Rimmy.9217:

Barsity.9408:

Kinda need five to ten sometimes to ensure we took it fast enough. Makes it hard to do small scale when you know the enemy is willing to ALWAYS send a full blob your way as did happen many times to us with bloodlust and assaulting JQ/TC home camps, epsecially north camps. I can’t tell you how many times myself, or my roaming group, attacked a n camp only to have the 40+ come meet us almost immediately.

I’m not saying the 2v1 was bad… I rather enjoyed the adversity of it all… But thinking what usually three or less people can do easily enough in a normal fashion would work against enemies willing to throw blobs at any enemy they see is a little messed up in thinking.

Look at my server, then look up who we’re against this week. Do you think I don’t know what I’m talking about? Do you think I’m just speculating on how an undermanned server copes when they’re massively outnumbered?

Learn from us. We have powers.

I understand how difficult it must be for roamers on a low pop server like EBAY to fight servers with superior numbers and how good you guys must have become.

I just want to point out though (correct me if I am wrong) that many times lower tier servers that EBAY faced may not play the ppt game to the extend of T1 servers, such as having defenders/attackers on most camps around tick time, guild groups roaming the bloodlust area to defend and cap it right back when needed etc. The defense is particularly strong since JQ/TC have a lot of manpower to throw around this season due to the alliance.

Not saying those lower tier servers don’t have the capabilities to do it if they want to, it’s just that they may not have that many manpower or even care about ppt enough to do those kind of things.

Rimmy.9217:

Relative indeed – 2:1 isn’t a big deal. And it’s fantastic that two-thirds of the way through the tournament you guys realized that you can scatter and do more things in parallel. Although you don’t need 5-10 person teams to take a camp or get bloodlust – that blobby mentality is still there.

I would, mostly seriously but perhaps with a bit of a smirk, recommend that you look up posts detailing small squad tactics, and maybe practice flipping camps solo. Or with a friend if it’s fully upgraded, so that you don’t have swords pop too soon and alert responders.

Good luck, Roman.

As a roamer who solo cap camps all the time, what you suggested simply did not work this season for us. I usually can solo cap a camp around a minute, but I still encounter multiple responders a lot of times this seasons because JQ/TC have enough spare manpower to patrol most camps, especially around tick.

I also tried to cap bloodlust with 2-3 people a lot this season, the only time it was successful was during off-hours. During prime hours JQ/TC can have up to 10 man groups patrolling the area most of the times.

To all our Blackgate brother and sisters, thank you for fighting to the last in a difficult season! We may be defeated but beastgate fights on or die trying!

Natronix.9827:

Also at Reslinal and the bloodlust havoc squads argument, you’re right, the small scale fights does require more skill and props for that. But the fact that your main purpose is standing in a circle doing laps to secure your servers PPT than whatever fighting/ganking you do on the way speaks for itself.

This thread is an amazing example of the difference in mentality T2 and T1 servers have. Its pointless to argue about it at this point since its clear we’re two different worlds here

Actually most you do is attacking/defending/ganking other roamers in the area/trying for bloodlust. Need for bloodlust gives a point of interest for roamers to come and find fights rather than just wandering aimlessly, doing it while contributing significantly to your server is a nice plus.

Anyway as you said there is no point in arguing any further, there is nothing wrong with you enjoying gvg just as there is nothing wrong that people enjoying play for ppt or roaming etc.

Natronix.9827:

Do you guys think you’re a speacial snowflake because you optimaze your PPT play? We know what you guys do, and its extremely boring.

You dont just blob with baddies, you:
- Have mutiple 5 man ganking squads around bloodlust to cap and secure it, because this will get you loads of score from the constant fighting

- “Map politics” lol

So you actually think solo/small group roaming fighting other roamers for bloodlust is boring and skillless? I have no problem you like to be a zergling in guild zergs of various sizes, but I find this one zergling boast about “personal skill” to another zergling while talking kitten about roamers thing funny.

Also we get it you don’t like to play strategically and just want to bash heads on open field in guild zergs, unfortunately many other people actually enjoy the strategic aspect of WvW.

Chaba.5410:

I agree with the poster who said you should server hop.

When I read the posts from the upper tier guys about bloodlust, I just read it as “small group is limited to bloodlust capping”. Sounds boring to me. Just my opinion.

You are right to a degree that in T1 small groups are usually limited to bloodlust, camp flipping, yaks, sentries, and tagging towers/keeps to create diversion. However those things contribute to a huge degree to T1 server’s winning (50% or more of the points) so roamers/small groups are super important to a T1 server. Also you have to remember there are tons of actions in the bloodlust area in T1 matches as every server is sending its roamers to defend or cap them constantly, so it’s a quite fun experience.

If your expectation as a roamer/havoc group is to actually capture keeps/towers etc then you are right that you probably will be better off in lower tiers. I am not sure about how important those small groups play to lower servers’ winning though.

In my opinion if you want to experience the full WvW experience as ANET intended it to be (as in competitive server vs server match with focus on ppt) you should try to stay with one of the T1 servers (blackgate, Jade Quarry, Tarnished Coast). There is a misconception by lower tiers that roamers/havoc groups have no place in Tier 1 matches when in fact it is the opposite due to the bloodlust mechanism. In T1 matches contribution by roamers/havoc groups is one of if not the most important factor to server winning, at least during the current WvW season time.

In tier 2 servers (Sea of sorrows, Maguum, and dragon brand) it’s less about helping your servers winning the match but more about individual guild’s skill. They are more focused on the guild vs guild aspect of the game than the server vs server “PPT” game.

I have no personal experience about T3 and lower tiers so I can’t comment. The queues are a bit long right now due to the WvW season, but I find myself rarely need to wait more than half hour. There is always a map with relatively lower queues you can join. Also it would be a good idea for you to join your server’s forum and TS. For blackgate it is at www.gw2blackgate.com

Xillllix.3485:

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s pretty clear they’re going to get rid of servers a la EoTM. They just won’t admit it at the moment in order to keep people from jumping ship right now to the new MMOs coming out.

With megaservers rendering servers obsolete in PvE, servers in WvW is going to be unsustainable — people won’t even know what WvW server they’re on.

The failed EoTM is the future of WvW.

A guild should decide to be part of one of 3 alliances of guilds for WvW, they should keep the current match-up going but players should be able to guest on other WvW matchups representing the same side. Well anyway, this is what ESO has done and it works miracle.

No offense, but before you start praising ESO’s system you probably should wait couple months, the system there is not even tested so no idea how “it works miracle”. From I read it seems it already began to have population imbalance issues just a week after head-start (now that might change too, but we really don’t know how it’s going to pan out until enough time is given).

Deli.1302:

During season 1, they had a blob on all 4 maps at all times of the day. I know BG achieved the same feat but then take into account that Vizunah had universal ts usage on their server and were the best server at siege warfare and very competent at open field as well. BG would have been obliterated.

During season 1 the peak number of people on BG’s TS was about 900 (yes we have a 1000 man server TS) and 500 on average for all times. Mind sharing Vizunah’s “universal ts usage” a bit since you seems to know a lot about it?

Hmm…actually t3 structures with proper defensive sieges and organized force defending are extremely hard to break through unless using omega golem rushes or under heavy 2v1. Against golem rushes, t3 structures usually provide you with enough time once scouted for reinforcement to come to inner to defend

Reikan.2908:

i am usually in my servers teamspeak. which kind of annoys me since they dont have any communication to the people not in teamspeak and dont read what people write in chat.
and then theres guilds which as far as i can see usually dont make things much better since they talk in their own teamspeak and guild chat but still are only zerging with everyone just even less communication to everyone.

today 2 zergs came and attacked our keep there was so many people it lagged the game and took me 3 minutes to switch weapons. i dont think zerging is a good thing for the game and i certainly dont think its a fun way to play

Some times the tactics are discussed in the commander chat if your server uses it. A lot of times distraction/feint attack etc happen when the commander on map is ready to assault an important objective. Other times the commander is working on map strategy to force 2v1 on the other server. I don’t know what server you are in, but I see a lot of split attacks/distraction etc from both enemy servers and my server in my matches.

Pyroathiest.4168:

Ulion.5476:

Normal reset: http://i.imgur.com/5mUg1uK.jpg
50-100 man queues
WvW Season 2 reset: http://i.imgur.com/BAX8Hi5.jpg
Obsidian sanctum queued and 125-250 queues

Poor guy on BG. Must suck to have queues all the time. Again, only yourself to blame. I’m on FA. We have a 90 person queue into EBG. You chose blackgate, you get to have the consequences.

This guy can’t even tell the guy is from TC from his right open signature before starts his hate on BG, man you really have to wonder about the quality of some of those BG haters…..

There are several things to do as a solo roamer:

1. Try to capture camps/defend camps, preferrebly around 5-6 min to ticker timer so enemy cannot get the camps back before tick

2. Try to hunt down yaks, especially yaks from home camp to objectives that are still upgrading.

3. Bloodlust. This is very important and can help your server a lot. Now you won’t be able to do this alone, so usually need to ask on map chat to get 2-3 people together. If the enemy on your borderland has the bloodlust, you need to turn at least 3 to your color and hold them (at least 3) for 2 min to get the bloodlust. Once you capture the bloodlust, you don’t need to hold the points anymore, just need to make sure your enemy won’t be able to hold 3 points for 2 min to get the bloodlust back.

4. Cut reinforcement to major battles, if you have 3-4 with you you can also try to ninjia an enemy’s objective while their main force is engaged else where.

sirflamesword.3896:

Reslinal.2359:

zen.6091:

Reverence.6915:

T1 is completely different to when SoS was up here, not that SoS isn’t too far off from returning to T1.

Pugs are much better organised, players in general are much more aware of what’s expected of them. It’s hard to quantify the difference

It’s not really that much different from what I saw during S1 of the league, but admittedly I only played a few weeks in gold before ducking out. The GWEN meta has fully evolved, people are much better better about using the WP timer for keep defense (“organized”), PvD paper to push PPT when it’s even, and try to push harder stuff when you have coverage advantage. I’m sure every player on a lower tier is shaking in their boots at how advanced this is.

Sorry, not trying to attack you, but with this curve ball anet has thrown before S2 begins, players deserve to hear both sides if they have even faintest desire to transfer to one of the big 3 gold league servers.

Hmm..in addition to those, commanders in t1 communicate not only within the same map but across maps constantly to report enemy movements and whether a significant force has moved in or out of a map. Pushes in maps or reinforcement are called based on these information. Cross map pushes can be organized to serve as distraction for a major push on a major objective. Dedicated scouts are present at most if not all major objectives. Dedicated havoc squads from servers fight over bloodlust constantly.

Overall I just feel the amount of organization has just became much better compared to the days when SOS was still in t1 .

Clearly this only happens on T1.

FYI this is sarcasm.

I’m actually curious do lower tier severs (besides tier 2) have the ts organization to facilitate constant across map communication and force movements between commanders in all maps? I know BG certainly did not have this level of communication until entering t1 for some time. Also it’s my impression bloodlust area is completely abandoned in lower tiers? I know in t1 controlling bloodlust is a top priority, not sure what it is like in lower tiers? What about scouting, to what extend are they practiced? Genuinely interested here.

zen.6091:

Reverence.6915:

T1 is completely different to when SoS was up here, not that SoS isn’t too far off from returning to T1.

Pugs are much better organised, players in general are much more aware of what’s expected of them. It’s hard to quantify the difference

It’s not really that much different from what I saw during S1 of the league, but admittedly I only played a few weeks in gold before ducking out. The GWEN meta has fully evolved, people are much better better about using the WP timer for keep defense (“organized”), PvD paper to push PPT when it’s even, and try to push harder stuff when you have coverage advantage. I’m sure every player on a lower tier is shaking in their boots at how advanced this is.

Sorry, not trying to attack you, but with this curve ball anet has thrown before S2 begins, players deserve to hear both sides if they have even faintest desire to transfer to one of the big 3 gold league servers.

Hmm..in addition to those, commanders in t1 communicate not only within the same map but across maps constantly to report enemy movements and whether a significant force has moved in or out of a map. Pushes in maps or reinforcement are called based on these information. Cross map pushes can be organized to serve as distraction for a major push on a major objective. Dedicated scouts are present at most if not all major objectives. Dedicated havoc squads from servers fight over bloodlust constantly.

Overall I just feel the amount of organization has just became much better compared to the days when SOS was still in t1 .

So did a match happen between tM and RIOT eventually?

styx.7294:

Used to be 3 big servers + 1 sorta large server. But Sanctum of Rall is gone and I don’t think there is now that tier 1.5 server. How many months before there are only 2 big servers and the 3rd server in tier 1 is too feeble to compete?\

At least that’s my impression of it.

Actually now T1 is back to 3 big servers who are relatively equal; even better it seems since TC moved up, T2 has became a quite competitive tier as well. I would say balance wise the top two tiers are at a high point in GW2 history right now.

Sleepybyz.5432:

I can top all these post’s and not because of pride of the server but because of a Broken Heart My sister bought this game for $64 to play with me PVE PVP and WVW She bought this game then my homeworld server Blackgate was Full everytime it opened she tried to transfer she deleted her lvl 20 Character 3 times To try to get in but when she got to the transfer screen every time it was full SO THERE WENT FREE so then she paid $20 to get in when she saw it was open one day right after buying the gems and logging out to transfer it was full Talk about a pain in the butt. So I was like you know what I will leave my Guild in Blackgate and just join Jade Quarry Because it’s always Open I have no interest in joining Jade Quarry really seeing is how Blackgate and Jade Quarry are enemies, However playing this game with my sister which I know in REAL LIFE not just a game is more important to me. So I spent $20 to transfer and Turned 66 Gold into 800 Gems to make 2400 gems I didn’t realize I would have that much ha ha not so good at math ANYWAYS when I went back to transfer Of Course it was full And has been ever sense I have been logging on all night and My sister has been watching all day since we both bought the The gems neither has opened now I sent a ticket a private message and This post you see before you In hopes that one day I can join my sister on Jade Quarry and Play WvW with her for now I just have been Guesting Jade Quarry everyday and doing Dungeons with her and PVP with her. LOL and all these people are trying to Switch back and forth into servers for FREE.

I am sorry about you and your sister. I think both of you should just transfer to a T2 server, they also have lots of people and seems to have a nice rivalry between the servers there. All T1 servers, including TC, may stay full in the near future.

Honestly I do feel we have got a lot of updates to WvW, now not all updates maybe what you want but they are updates regardless, let’s see we got:

1. culling fixed
2. WvW exp/ranks/skill lines being added
3. Whole bloodlust area changed to borderland
4. edge of the mists map
5. whole new queueing system revamp
6. season 1 and coming season 2
7. misc stuff like party system change etc

It is a lot of changes and I would say more than what you would get in a lot of other mmos for pvp (edge of the mists alone is more map updates than most mmos). The reason people do not seem to be satisfied with the amount of changes is because they pale compared to the amount of updates pve received.

However you have to understand GW2 is not a mmo focused on WvW alone, PvE has the most players, generate the most revenues, and also requires more frequent updates to keep players interested than pvp game mode. So it is natural for PvE to get more updates compared to WvW.

Saberfang.4690:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

This “final” is a big disappointment. Just another massive zerg with massive bugs and so little story, that it hurts.
I really hoped some huge dragon would rise from below LA in a great cinematic. That would have had some epicness. “Here I am, you fools, I made her free me!”
But no, she cracked some ley line. Woohoo! The end is nigh!

C’mon, worst final of worst story ever.

You definetly have a point, I think the biggest plot twist is that Jory didn’t die so we could have the lesbian kiss (capitalism-oh!).
The event is still bugged and I don’t get if the spinal backpack teleport was supposed to be there since the beginning but that final fight…

…Are you for real?!? First the “we don’t need your blabbering, mad person” and than, after a couple of hit, the finish her button. Could they have made it any worst? Maybe due to a bug we are losing part of the fight but even if we somehow wound Scarlet before it would still be so anti-climatic…

Just wondering did you actually get to fight Scarlet in the drill after you defeat the three knights at once? Or you just entered the portal because of the backpack bug? You do realize there is whole dungeon you need to fight through to get to the final scene if you enter the proper way (kill 3 knights at once)?

There was an instant long queue for the players and the number of queued for the Tarnish Coast Borderland is different for each player. So far no one is able to enter the borderland. Can ANET fix the problem? Thank you!

Frankly I wouldn’t worry about the impact of ESO until that game is actually played by a large population in real life setting for a while. All games seem good/full of potential when it is in beta stage. The problems only begin to show up when it is played extensively by a lot of people.

But i do agree ANET need to some big changes to the regular WvW (not EoTM) to give players incentive to play. Things get old without too much changes.

Deniara Devious.3948:

Please NO!

There are a lot of players (besides me), who utterly hate:
- jumping puzzles
- Edge of the Mists

EotM is a good idea on paper (I love the idea of the overflows), but currently the implementation is bad (nightmare map design for roaming, incredibly boring zergy fights with no point, too many powerful NPCs, added totally unnecessary buffs and new mechanisms), so please do NOT force your players to play it.

In fact, I once again propose reverting the Borderland changes (September 17th, 2013). By now it is obvious that the ruins of power (which replaced the BL lake) are a failure. Very few players spend time there and the changes actually DECREASED the popularity of BL maps. I used to dislike EB due its blobby nature and huge lag. Now I am forced to play EB, because it is only decent WvWvW map remaining. The borderland bloodlust buffs have received almost unanimous negative feedback from the player base. Instead of removing them, Arenanet shaved their effectiveness.

There was a lot of good user feedback how to redesign the BL maps, including:
- doing something to the Northern East and West parts, let’s face it the Skritt and Tamili are superfluous
- no map wide bonuses to stats, but more objectives to hold, defend and contest, which also give players rewards
- restore the lake, but make it have a small partially underwater keep in the center. The central location of the lake keep would make it a good location for epic battles, I also like the idea that the you cannot play most siege in the water, thus attacking that lake keep wouldn’t require different strategy

While I agree with you on EoTM and think ANET should keep it separate from regular WvW, I actually like the bloodlust ruin area. It is much better than the old lake area and adds more space and variety of terrain for roamers. And please no more underwater combat, I feel the way it is now in the bloodlust ruin is the best. All ANET need to do is just to add a bit more incentives/rewards for people that cap the three bloodlust.

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

That’s essentially what I said above. There are a lot of factors in this; Blackgate’s stacking for the first season was the catalyst, but hardly the sole reason SoR as we know it is gone.

That said, is choo trying to come off as a martyr in all of this? I mean, I like the guys in choo, but c’mon. There were plenty of times choo abandoned hard points for fights in the field. And I say that as someone who understands and respects the undeniable fact that choo commanders put in more than their fair share of time running pugs and defending keeps. Yet, they ran tagless a lot, too. Just like TW, FEAR, HIRE and the rest. I personally had a couple experiences where we were getting throttled at a keep and we knew choo was tagless on the map and they never came to help. I’m not blaming or saying this is good or bad or anything. But lets not throw rocks in glass houses.

I am not speaking for choo or their intensions. The only thing I heard they said in the meeting is they are leaving because it’s hard to recruit as the server morale is destroyed by constant lose by big margins (they said this as support of a previous player’s claim in the meeting that sor needs to start caring about objectives again in order to rebuild)

I understand that bg’s superior coverage in season 1 put stress on sor, however I think it is the way sor’s leadership responded to this challenge that led to the ultimate demise of the server. Sor was not the only server that faced superior coverage problem. Jq was beaten by bg too, look at where it is now. When sor first entered t1, you were underdog too with worse coverage than season 1, yet you preserved and ended on top.

From what I hear from your players (like last meeting), the dominance of “fights only” group and asociated elitisim discourages casual players from playing, and the constant lose by big margin due to no support for ppt style of play destroyed sever morale and leave guilds like choo (said by choo representative) with fewer and fewer to recruit.

Their core guilds adopted a “fights only” attitude during season 1 and stopped caring for the rest of the server who may be interested in objectives. In the long run the division destroyed server morale and also created elitism in the server that discouraged new/pvx players from playing (so no new fresh blood for guilds like choo to recruit from). Guess their tanking to T2 and not doing well there is the final straw that broke the camel’s back.

I don’t think they should allow weaker servers to win/gain more points if they beat their ratings since that really skew the match-up politics (like two strong servers focus on the weakest server because it has gained ratings, which won’t be fun for weaker server).

What ANET should do is to give additional reward to servers that beat their expectations. So if a server that was expected to be 9 actually get to 7, it should receive just as much reward or more as the server that wins the whole season.

Karizee.8076:

Reslinal.2359:

Karizee.8076:

I really have to commend SoR for it’s show of solidarity. It’s amazing to be part of this <3

One more week in T1 and honestly I’m hoping we go all the way to T3 so we don’t have to deal with any T1 nonsense during the next Seasons. In the meantime EotM is the most amazing map ANet has added yet. Looking forward to the changes this will bring to WvW proper

Not showing up for a week or two alone won’t bring you down to T2 or T3 (in long term sense). You need to also shed some of your Oceanic/SEA guilds.

SoR do what SoR want. We have that history.

I remember last year when the shoe was on the other foot. We had a bit of a winning streak, fights were getting boring for us and demoralizing for our opponents. What did SoR do? We sent one of our biggest commanders over to the opposing server for a week, just so we could have some good fights.

Because face it, this is dull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZKkK9S-IKQ

And EotM is an amazeballs breath of fresh air!!
https://vidd.me/I5a

Actually Indo and part of TW went to JQ that week because SoR was fighting two T2 servers. JQ was only fighting BG plus a T2 that week. So no you did not send your guild to the opposing server of the week:)

All I am saying is if your server detest staying in T1 so much and want to stay in lower tiers, shed some of your off-hour guilds, otherwise you will just dominate T2 and back to T1 in no time.

I remember my first friend in the game tried to persuade me to transfer to ET with him since ET was at the top while BG was only a mere Tier 4 server at the time. I was already begin to get attached to BG though since it was slowly building a strong community spirit, so I didn’t transfer while he did. Couple weeks later ET imploded while BG slowly climbed its way to the top. Oh the fun time when you look back.

Karizee.8076:

I really have to commend SoR for it’s show of solidarity. It’s amazing to be part of this <3

One more week in T1 and honestly I’m hoping we go all the way to T3 so we don’t have to deal with any T1 nonsense during the next Seasons. In the meantime EotM is the most amazing map ANet has added yet. Looking forward to the changes this will bring to WvW proper

Not showing up for a week or two alone won’t bring you down to T2 or T3 (in long term sense). You need to also shed some of your Oceanic/SEA guilds.

Thanks! I got a good laugh out of it:)

I think WvW dev team is the worst among ANET teams in communicating with players and address real problems in game play. SPvP team got lot of heat but they actually do show up on forum to answer player concerns. WvW team just don’t talk at all and don’t even try to address the “elephant in the room” balance problems in WvW.

Hobbitz.5831:

morrolan.9608:

dwahvel.7356:

Reslinal.2359:

If SoR is just doing this to get out of T1 faster, all power to you since the low morale caused by staying in T1 is really not healthy for your server anymore. However I would suggest you guys shed a bit more guilds (especially your OCX/SEA guilds), otherwise you would be back in T1 in no time….

SoR still has ocx guilds? Oh wait thats right we don’t have any left.

Hire, GC

Most of HIRE has merged into GC and most of GC is leaving for ESO.

Ah, so they will be back in GW2 in no time then, given horrible ESO seems to be:)

dwahvel.7356:

Reslinal.2359:

If SoR is just doing this to get out of T1 faster, all power to you since the low morale caused by staying in T1 is really not healthy for your server anymore. However I would suggest you guys shed a bit more guilds (especially your OCX/SEA guilds), otherwise you would be back in T1 in no time….

SoR still has ocx guilds? Oh wait thats right we don’t have any left.

Is HIRE still on SoR, is it still an OCX guild? Just curious. What SEA guilds does SoR still have?

If SoR is just doing this to get out of T1 faster, all power to you since the low morale caused by staying in T1 is really not healthy for your server anymore. However I would suggest you guys shed a bit more guilds (especially your OCX/SEA guilds), otherwise you would be back in T1 in no time….

The new map has only been out for less than a week, give it a bit of time before we can truly examine its impact on WvW.

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Is it unhealthy because you and a handful of other forum warriors from BG say it’s unhealthy? I’m curious about the research that has gone into this perspective.

I think it is unhealthy because what you are doing is hurting your community in the long run. It maybe o.k. for those of your guilds that only care about fights, but by deriding others that want to play differently, you’re are completely neglecting your server mates that may want to experience proper WvW/or simply just new to WvW.

What a lot of you are doing is all about you rather than community pride, which is really against the spirit of the RvR game mode. Heck you even begin to see posts like this popping up from your own server mates that are left in the dark.

I think any derision towards people on SoR who want to play for PPT has been largely exaggerated. In any case, I know that many of us on SoR just avoid the the PPT game against JQ and BG because, well, it’s pointless (pun intended). And at the end of the day, the people who want to fight for PPT can find homes to do that. The people who want fights? Well, there’s places for them, too. The idea that one way to play the game is ‘unhealthy’ as compared to another is naive. BG and JQ can do their thing. We’ll do ours.

I don’t think “play for fights” as a way of play is unhealthy, there are many guilds on various servers do that (and yes even on BG and JQ, you know one of the best “for fights” guild, APeX, is on BG), and all good for them if that’s how they get their enjoyment.

What is unhealthy is you force your way of play as the “superior way” on your server mates, either through deriding/arguing or by creating an environment where others that want to try to play proper WvW are not feel welcomed. The derision towards people on SoR who want to play for PPT may be exaggerated a bit, yet SoR is the only server that we know where server drama caused by the “for fights only” debate has made to the public forum.

geekanerd.4123:

Reslinal.2359:

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Is it unhealthy because you and a handful of other forum warriors from BG say it’s unhealthy? I’m curious about the research that has gone into this perspective.

I think it is unhealthy because what you are doing is hurting your community in the long run. It maybe o.k. for those of your guilds that only care about fights, but by deriding others that want to play differently, you’re are completely neglecting your server mates that may want to experience proper WvW/or simply just new to WvW.

What a lot of you are doing is all about you rather than community pride, which is really against the spirit of the RvR game mode. Heck you even begin to see posts like this popping up from your own server mates that are left in the dark.