Guild Wars 2

Ljiona.9142:

Reslinal.2359:

I completely agree with Ironvos, for those people claiming that there is no server pride or no one cares about community, I have to say you are wrong. Maybe you don’t care about server pride or your gvg guild doesn’t care, but plenty of people do. That’s why there are vibrant server TS and server websites exist.

Switching the whole WvW mode to EoTM will be a horrible idea. The map is new and interesting and adds a bit variety to normal WvW play. However if the whole WvW is like the color based system where no one knows each other and care about each other, it will get old really fast.

I will take this style of wvw over fighting for something I know will just be taken when I am asleep.

Good for you if you enjoy EoTM style of play, just understand that a lot of people do care about server pride and community and don’t get the same level of enjoyment you do from EoTM. There’s no reason that one mode need to completely replace the other mode, I am happy that both EoTM and regular WvW co-exist now as now both type of players can get their fun.

Hammerguard.9834:

I feel horrible about the players that are left on SoR just wondering what the hell happened. Wish BG would stop buying so many guilds and even lose some to SoR. Maybe we could have some fun, even matchups again ’cause this sh*ts getting old.

No offense, but you really need to learn to gather facts before you make statements. If you are on SoR, you need to go talk to your guilds on your server/join TS to learn about what’s happening to your server. Apparently all your “for fights” guilds decide they get more fun stomping pugs in EoTM than fighting wvw for their server. So they are essentially stop playing WvW for now. This has nothing to do with BG or JQ (BG hasn’t got any guilds since season 1 and JQ got couple guilds from SoR), but rather your server’s unhealthy “fights only, laugh at others who care about objectives” culture.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

I’m still curious as to the other guild(s) though.

So far all of what you guys have amounted to is saying that you turn away guilds when you win, but when you don’t win it’s entirely justified to recruit more, which in that exact same forum post full of garbage, a couple BG were hanging nails on the fact JQ picked up SoX/XPK and a OCE guild while complaining about imbalance in the other tiers, one of them even complaining about how BG can’t compete anymore in OCE, let alone the other tiers, but you know, of those people from BG in that post that complained about our xfers, they never once suggested that some from BG should move on to.

My point, and it doesn’t necessarily refer to you or Seigfried, is that these “false rumors” get responded with more “false rumors”, that’s how this has worked since HoD days, and it’ll continue to work until this game is dead.

What other BGers on other thread said about JQ stacking is another matter. I personally welcome JQ to get more guilds to be more competitive with BG, competition makes T1 fun.

The point of my post is to refute some of the rumors spread by other players about how BG cannot stop recruiting even when we are winning, the fact is we did stop recruiting and actually turned guild(s) away when we could. I am not claiming we stopped recruiting for some really noble reason or anything. Like any self-interested server, we recruit when we feel we have a weakness against our competitors and stop recruiting when there is a chance for over-stacking and driving away competition. Above all, the game is only fun when there is a semi-competitive tier while the server is competitive itself.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Reslinal.2359:

Fanwong is a more prominent voice in the community and I use him as a representative, would you like me to provide you with more links of people making the false rumor?

Yeah, I figured. I’ll leave it at that.

Here is another link https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Let-s-Balance-NA-T1-3/page/2 right on the front of page of someone making the same claim (by jojojoon). Two such claims (and probably more if you search harder) within a week shows such false rumor pops up rather frequently

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Reslinal.2359:

and Seigfried was clearly refer to the the whole end/post season 1 period as recent. The fact is we did turn away guilds just as we said . Whether you consider the evidence I provide count as recent is up to your own definition.

I consider recent equaling to after league ended, not during it. November 22nd was also part of week vs JQ which was the 5th week. It wasn’t the end of it.

Since League BG has been Full, at least since Christmas break. You can blame it on PvErs or whatever, but don’t go around like saints saying you turn away guilds when your a Full server and can’t xfer anyone over to begin with.

Actually Nov 22nd was the end of the 5th week, BG has already beat JQ and won the league (not possible for JQ to got more points than BG by that time). So for BG it is pretty much the end of the season.

All BG said is that we have been turning away guilds since ZDs joined. Now the full status recently may prevent other guilds from trying to join, but I just showed you that BG did turn away a guild when we still could.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Reslinal.2359:

Fanwong just a week ago was trying to accuse BG of acquiring more EU guilds, would you like me to provide you a link to his posts? So plenty of people are spreading false rumors.

As for the “we turn away guilds” lie you claim, here is a post on BG public forum clearly showing us turning away guilds: http://blackgatewvw.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1676-french-guilde-search-for-a-new-serv/.

So Fannwong = plenty of people? or did you confuse his “posts” to have come from many others besides him?

That also happens to be way back in November, 2 and half months ago, before BG even won league, I fail to see how that’s part of the recent history that Seigfried was talking about.

Since you want to bring up the times during League, if you guys have been so prominent on “turning guilds away” you sure did a good job turning away ZDs the very first week of league.

Fanwong is a more prominent voice in the community and I use him as a representative, would you like me to provide you with more links of people making the false rumor?

That post was made on Nov 22nd, at the time when the season was coming to an end. BG has repeatedly said we have been turning away guilds since ZDs joined us and Seigfried was clearly refer to the the whole end/post season 1 period as recent. The fact is we did turn away guilds just as we said . Whether you consider the evidence I provide count as recent is up to your own definition.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Reslinal.2359:

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Seigfried.5938:

The guilds from kaineng, SBI and SoS is ancient history. And so what if they transferred to BG all those months ago? In the recent history, please name a few guilds that have transferred to BG?

Just throwing this out there, and I’m fairly certain this has been the case for the last two months, or it’s highly coincidental that every time I open the xfer/guest list, BG is always Full status, but….

What do you expect for the only NA server that killed the great wurm and the first to kill Teq? Of course tons of pve/pvx people are going to transfer to BG. What has this to do with the false rumor that BG is acquiring more WvW guilds?

Has a lot to do with WvW….PvErs guest they don’t xfer and if they do xfer, that’s more militia for WvW. Noones saying you are acquiring more WvW guilds, it’s already stacked as full as it can be.

And it’s more to do with the whole “we turn away guilds/no one xfers here” lie. Noone does because no one can.

Fanwong just a week ago was trying to accuse BG of acquiring more EU guilds, would you like me to provide you a link to his posts? So plenty of people are spreading false rumors.

As for the “we turn away guilds” lie you claim, here is a post on BG public forum clearly showing us turning away guilds: http://blackgatewvw.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1676-french-guilde-search-for-a-new-serv/.

Mr Ko Killer.7206:

Seigfried.5938:

The guilds from kaineng, SBI and SoS is ancient history. And so what if they transferred to BG all those months ago? In the recent history, please name a few guilds that have transferred to BG?

Just throwing this out there, and I’m fairly certain this has been the case for the last two months, or it’s highly coincidental that every time I open the xfer/guest list, BG is always Full status, but….

What do you expect for the only NA server that killed the great wurm and the first to kill Teq? Of course tons of pve/pvx people are going to transfer to BG. What has this to do with the false rumor that BG is acquiring more WvW guilds?

silvermember.8941:

Ironvos.9014:

Our server has been on both ends of the spectrum when it comes to rolling or getting rolled.
FSP used to be a T1 EU server, until many guilds left.
But we kept fighting, even until we ended up in T7.

The nice thing about the tier system is, if you’re too bad for top tier, eventually you will drop down and fight servers you can handle.

Is it perfect? by no means, but you win some you loose some, that’s the way it goes.
In EoTM there is no winning or loosing, there’s just kitten ing around, it’s an empty brainless CoD style gamemode which has actually very little in common with the current wvw gamemode.

Really if the red vs blue vs green gamestyle was the best thing ever, the wvw maps would have been empty now, but they are not.

Cool EU story brah.

Why don’t you look at what is happening with NA? your cool community and blah blah might be working for you on your specific server or EU, but the other half the game it is not working too well.

Both SBI and SoS have dropped tiers and on loosing end for weeks but their server rebuilt and are doing really well now. Also if you look at the match this week http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups, it all seems pretty balanced except for couple servers. So I don’t see where your comment NA is not working well come from.

I completely agree with Ironvos, for those people claiming that there is no server pride or no one cares about community, I have to say you are wrong. Maybe you don’t care about server pride or your gvg guild doesn’t care, but plenty of people do. That’s why there are vibrant server TS and server websites exist.

Switching the whole WvW mode to EoTM will be a horrible idea. The map is new and interesting and adds a bit variety to normal WvW play. However if the whole WvW is like the color based system where no one knows each other and care about each other, it will get old really fast.

I agree with Chris I think community is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a successful server. A toxic community or a community with big divide usually will not be attractive to guilds, but a good community alone will not be sufficient either. Luck and timing plays an important role as well.

Interesting observation nirvana, I am wondering is the same thing happen in lower tier NA as well? Off-prime hours just a forced karma train?

nirvana.8245:

The top 3 tiers are alot more balanced in EU. I think the key reason this can’t be achieved in NA is because Oceanics and Sea guilds opt to play on NA servers because of better pings. That said, in all honesty if EU is a representation of “balanced top 3 tiers” than I don’t want balance. There are a few things I just did not like about gameplay in EU that I think were a biproduct of the balance. The only big plus EU has is that there are many more decent and better guilds that play there.

So essentially, the only way I see to “balance NA” is to provide Oceanic/Sea servers and get those players playing in that region however they can rather then have them opting to play in NA regardless.

Interesting, can you elaborate a bit on what byproduct things about gameplay in EU due to balance that you don’t like?

Mirsa.1628:

Reslinal.2359:

I just want to ask you guys do you think it is actually possible to have balanced Tier 1 to tier 3 servers for the long run? One problem I see that make T1 servers unique coverage wise compared to T2 etc is that SEA/EU players tend to only converge to 1-3 servers to get other players to play with. Unless this problem is addressed, it’s hard to imagine achieving balance between T1 and T2 in the long run.

I remember there was a brief time when we did get a semi-balanced T1 and T2 between SOS/JQ/SBI?BG/SOR/IOJ, but it did not last long as eventually off-coverage players just moved to pretty much 3 servers. Now we have less off-coverage players around compared to that time, it is probably even less likely to get them to spread out.

T1 was pretty balanced the few weeks before season one of leagues.

I was more talking about balance across tiers like T1 and T2 or even T3, not within tier itself. I did enjoy T1 before season one and wish SoR did not suffer the server drama that completely ruined your competitiveness. Now T1 is only balanced between BG and JQ and we will see if any other T2 servers will eventually rise to replace SoR.

I just want to ask you guys do you think it is actually possible to have balance between Tier 1 to tier 3 servers for the long run? One problem I see that make T1 servers unique coverage wise compared to T2 etc is that SEA/EU players tend to only converge to 3-4 servers to get other players to play with. Unless this problem is addressed, it’s hard to imagine achieving balance between T1 and T2 in the long run.

I remember there was a brief time when we did get a semi-balanced T1 and T2 between SOS/JQ/SBI?BG/SOR/IOJ, but it did not last long as eventually off-coverage players just moved to pretty much 3 servers. Now we have less off-coverage players around compared to that time, it is probably even less likely to get them to spread out.

While the map is beautiful, I feel the layout of the map is really bad for roaming for several reasons. First, a large section of the map is walled off. There are so many layers to the map and yet as a roamer you don’t feel it because they are all behind enemy walls. Second, enemy npc mechanisms can be annoying. There are some nice open areas in the desert map, but they are all covered by the turrets, which I feel is a bit overturned. Lastly, the environmental effects can really tips the balance for fights.

What do you guys think?

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Smokee,

I’ve been PMed that you are an honorable man and that you seek to do the right thing for the Blackgate community and the state of T1. I salute you. However I also have information that says BG is doing otherwise. On retrospect, I think these 2 facts are not impossible to coexist. I sincerely wish you the best and I will leave the thread. My sincere apologies to the OP, I did not mean to derail the thread, this will be my last post.

FW

PS: At no point did the original post state that you were ‘pvd’, T3 keeps were not mentioned also. I’ll be honest, I find it odd that the post was inferred as such.

Smokee.1754:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Smokee,

Thank you for sharing your point of view. I stand on the information given to me.

Do check my post history. I never troll on the forums. Ever. The ex-IRON folks in your guild can attest to that.

FW

Smokee.1754

Please name your source or I call BS like with the rest of your post. Im not sure if you are trying very badly to troll, or you are just another brainwashed SoR player.

Please answer my questions.

Q1) When if ever did BG reset a T3 keep in EU prime during the last 4 weeks. According to you we do nothing but pvd T3 keeps during this timezone, so it should be easy for you to answer.

Q2) Who are the EU guilds transfering to BG? Name them, name your source or withdraw your BS.

With all due respect Fanwong, since you are the one making the claim that BG is acquiring more EU guilds (which is denied by Smokee, who should have more information about EU than you do), I think it is only reasonable that you provide the names of those guilds that are supposedly transferring to BG as you claim.

I keep hearing people saying you will be grouped together not by servers but by your color, do we have any source on that information?

I play both for fights and PPT. Caring about PPT/your server winning aspect adds more depth and strategy to the game mode and gives me a greater purpose than just killing other people. However playing only for ppt at the expense of no fights (e.g. pvd or actively avoiding fights) is boring and also not fun.

So overall I feel the RvR mode gives the most fun when you have a balance between the two. Fights without any caring for PPT can get repetitive and you get better fights in other game modes anyway (e.g. spvp, gvg, LoL etc). PPT without good fights is just not fun.

Also I feel caring about PPT does not always mean winning the PPT war for the whole match-up since it is mostly decided by coverage. It is more about caring for objectives and your server performance during the time you play.

As SkeeLd said, if you cannot use the “join” option, just try zone in and zone out of bloodtide and if the map is not hardcapped you will be able to get in if you have a taxi party. BG main got hardcapped really soon though, so make sure you get there at least one hour before event started.

No, don’t wait for queue to pop, it will never get you in there:) You need to get on BG TS and ask people there to give you a taxi, usually one or one and half hour before the event starts.

You can also guest to another big server like Deso/Blackgate, if you are willing to wait for 1 hour or so in advance you can usually get into the main map by asking for a ferry on their TS.

Just curious, any NA server is getting close on the wurm besides blackgate? JQ, SoR?

Or maybe it didn’t work because there are far more people that enjoy this type of content than you try to indicate? Yeah there are fewer people doing Teq now but there are far fewer people doing things like scarlet invasion, which had tons of people doing it when it launched.

Actually in my experience with TTS, very rarely if ever we get enough randoms in the overflow that actually affect the ultimate result. We fail because we are still learning the fights not because the few randoms we have. Once you have a core into the overflow, the few randoms do not matter.

Yes the overflow system is more clunky compared to an instanced system for large guilds, however it has the advantage of allowing solo/small/medium guilds to try the content without being forced to join large guilds. I think this flexibility and inclusiveness outweigh the mere inconvenience for large guilds to get into an overflow.

Guilds like TTS are able to bring in enough players into a map for wurm before the overflow got hard capped (over 80 guild members). The amount of random players vs your guild members are relatively small. And this is on the patch day. After the initial surge, most time with TTS the overflows were never hard capped for Teq kills.

I keep hearing people claim that they want the bosses to be instanced so that they can try the bosses with their guilds. However, the current system already allow you guys to do this through the overflow system, guilds like TTS and blackgate guilds have been doing this the whole night.

What the current system does better than an instanced system is that now if you are in a small/medium guilds or solo, you can still try the content with your server (if you get into the main and your server is organized) without being forced to join a large/raid guild.

So I really don’t see the merit of an instanced system. If you’re are a large guild/alliances, you can try the bosses almost alone in an overflow just like in an instance. If you are a small/medium guilds or solo, under the current system you still get the chance to try the content or even finished it if you are/guested to an organized server, which you cannot do in an instanced system. Given this I would say the current system is superior to the instanced system that some people are asking for.

I don’t understand, why can’t you just go when it’s near the whole hour clock, like 6 (for wurm) and 7 (for scarlet) etc? That’s when the two bosses spawn.

Mikuchan.7261:

Nabrok.9023:

Mikuchan.7261:

As someone said in another thread.
If you don’t wait in the map, you risk missing it.
So to do it, you have to wait in the map.
That means you can’t do anything but wait, which is kinda sad.

Edit: On top of that you get a black screen during the fight and have to restart the game to end up in an overflow…

It’s the first day, everybody is trying to do it. Give it a few days and you’ll be able to just go on the hour. Heck, even today I posted in guild chat when the 5 minute timer popped and was able to ferry in a few guildies (didn’t hit hard cap).

Even if not, it starts at the same time everywhere, including overflows, and you’d have to be really unlucky to get an empty overflow.

The problem isn’t missing it because others are there.
The problem is missing it because you have no idea when it is.

When? It spawns every odd hour, so that’s pretty easy to figure out…

This is surprisingly fun to watch. The tactics/strategy and momentum shifts are much easier to follow than the standard tpvp. The only problem I see is when there’s a big team fight, the actual fight itself is hard to follow.

Poxheart.2845:

Reslinal.2359:

I would like you provide the names of those small PvX guilds that BG paid part of their transfer costs.

Re-read what Fannwong wrote. He didn’t say anything about paying for transfer costs.

So you are saying Fannwong is talking about small pve/pvx guilds that transferred to BG completely on their own and even without BG WvW community’s awareness (since we don’t know any)? Again as I said in my post to him, if that’s the case he probably shouldn’t talk as BG actually “recruited” those guilds since those type of transfers probably happen on their own all the time to all popular pve servers.

Chris.3290:

morrolan.9608:

Chris.3290:

If the offer to “help” is made before-hand, it’s buying. It’s one thing to say “we are transferring and we have a few people who don’t farm much waiting to transfer”. It’s another that the agreement is made before-hand that 25%-75% of the costs will be covered by the new server. Talking with some people who made the transfer said the process was handled very professionally and with great caution to make sure they were not scammed (both sides).

The vehemence of your denial accentuates the point(s) I was making in that T1 Logic is a different beast than anywhere else. You have to offer these denials to keep the shine on the server to keep recruitment up less you fall behind.
It’s clear to see to anyone with spare 5 minutes to spend on MOS where BG is in terms of coverage and population. The fact that this has to be argued accentuates where I was coming from.

No hate on my part btw, why you assume there is….shrugs. Just observing upon the obvious shouldn’t get such a reaction.

Lord knows I don’t often agree with you but you are 100% on the money here and apparently BG is again actively on the market for new guilds despite their dominance.

That goes into my point, they have to always be recruiting and have to defend their image from even the slightest mention of problems.

Take SoR; it’s not in as bad of shape as it appears. If they were to drop to T2 next week, they would at least do as well if not better than TC. From the perspective of Tier 1, they are the SS Titanic. If SoR had made a play for ZDs (instead of asking for a more balanced matchup) and gotten them, they would be riding high.

The reality for BG and JQ is totally different from that of the rest of WvW; and it amuses me when anyone wants to argue that or imply that their standard should be applied to all other servers (which led to my post here to begin with, coming full circle).

There are couple things in your post I want to comment on.

First, we are not aware of any recruiting BG is doing right now as “morrolan” trying to claim, in fact prominent BG leaders actually actively make their opinions known on BG forum that not only we are in a good position and don’t need more guilds, we should actually help JQ and SoR to grow stronger (we pointed a french guild that want to join us to go to SoR/JQ).

Second, due to the nature of T1, any “slight” problem you consider, e.g. lost coverage in an important time zone, if last long enough may actually lead to chain events that cause whole server to collapse. It happened to SBI, SoS, almost happened to JQ and BG, and is now happening to SoR. SoR may seems fine now, but if Choo and TW do leave like rumored they will be, I will bet that it won’t take long for their SEA guilds to leave as well, then it will be hard for SoR to even compete in T2.

Third, recruiting guilds to cover weakness is not unique to T1 servers, what I believe makes T1 server’s need seems more urgent than lower tier servers is that they have no place to drop to change scenery barring a complete collapse. Due to the fact most off-hour guilds are on T1 servers in order to find enough players to play with, T1 servers are stuck in a place where if you cannot compete in T1, your gaming experience will be really horrible (since you will just blow out T2 without fun fights there), this will last unless you recruit to cover weakness or collapse. Given this situation, of course T1 servers will try to active recruit if there are signs of problem showing up. However, it does not mean we don’t want a semi-competitive T1, it’s to the best interest of T1 servers to ensure an enjoyable tier because there is no alternative if you want to keep your server intact.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Duke,

From what I know from my friends in your server, BG is still recruiting and has had several small guilds transfer over for WvW in the last 7 days. BG has the widest and deepest coverage now vs JQ and the PPT scores show.

I am not complimenting nor condemning BG, just making known some facts.

Also, besides ZDs in league, BG has outsmarted JQ and SOR by recruiting dozens of small PVX guilds (vs big WvW ones favored by other servers) to ensure a >80% chance of winning in league and after season. Those guilds are still in BG.

Chocpudding has done a tremendous job in the recruitment drive. Kudos.

FW

Duke Blackrose.4981:

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

Hi Fannwong,

I would like you provide the names of those small PvX guilds that BG paid part of their transfer costs. I am not aware myself of any pvx guilds that BG actively recruited during season and according to your friend still recruiting right now. I will be great if you can provide some more concrete information.

Also if there are small pve guilds that transfer to BG on their own without the WvW community’s awareness (I am not sure if there are any), I would not consider them as “recruited” since these kind of things happen all the time in all popular pve servers.

I heard Choo is also thinking about leaving, maybe to JQ…If that happens it would be best for SoR to drop tiers and rebuild.

Poxheart.2845:

Reverence.6915:

And if you think any T1 server outnumbers another T1 server during NA, well, yeah.. no.

More fiction. When I entered WvW just a few hours ago, SoR was outmanned on both JQ & BG BL and we owned nothing on SoR BL so I assume we were outmanned there as well. .

I think it’s quite clear Reverence was talking about T1 servers during normal times (like JQ now and SoR several weeks back), not when a T1 server is on the verge of collapse (or has SoR already collapsed, have TW/RET/Fear moved off already?). Of course your WvW NOW is a ghost town since everyone is on the move, but it wasn’t like this several weeks ago.

Mochann.5298:

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

Actually most people on BG (if they come before season 1) do know the feeling and difficulty of fighting as an underdog as we have done that plenty of time as well in the past (e.g. we were actually losing pretty bad and considered by many as the weakest T1 server right before season 1 started, not to mention when JQ dominated T1 last year).

The thing is server strength fluctuates all the time, JQ, SoR, and BG have all been dominant server before and they have all been the underdog as well. The difference is some servers community can persist and endure in the face of difficulty like JQ and BG while others may fall apart.

I can only say about gold and silver league.

In gold league, Blackgate won the league undefeated. The win was a shock to many people since Blackgate was considered the weakest T1 server before league started (due to the loss of its major SEA guild MERC) and was not expected to win the league. Another surprise in gold league is TC surpassed SoR and came to third place.

In silver league, FA regained its strength and won silver undefeated. The big surprise is YB overtook SBI (one of the silver league favorite) and took second place. SBI dropped down to third, they blame the result on a massive 2vs1 during the critical YB/SBI/EBay match.

Mirsa.1628:

Reslinal.2359:

No offense, you guys really need to start using a different TS server. Apparently the one you guys are using is either not very good or too popular and attracts lots of trolls…

Same host as JQ’s, I believe.

Exactly my point. Both of your servers should change the TS server since it is either not very good or too popular and attracts lots of trolls.

No offense, you guys really need to start using a different TS server. Apparently the one you guys are using is either not very good or too popular and attracts lots of trolls…

Hmm..I wouldn’t say that’s the norm on Blackgate as I never encountered such rude behavior myself. I generally find the pve community quite helpful and friendly. However, given the population on BG and the amount of guests from other servers, it would not surprise me if you meet a bad apple once in a while…..

Hi, so I am thinking about starting a new class and I’d like to play a build/class that requires more thinking/strategical decisions than twitch and reflex skills. Which class/build do you think fits more into this category in gw2?

Poxheart.2845:

Reslinal.2359:

I don’t know, perhaps you should consider not insulting other T1 servers when your own server can pull 24/7 queues when fighting against T2 servers?

I don’t think I’ve ever experienced a 24/7 queue when fighting T2 servers.

It is a figure of speech, I haven’t personally witnessed 24/7 queues, I do remember seeing a JQ poster mentioned it but it also looked more like a figure of speech.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Peetee.9406:

You can’t argue with their dedication. There were times when I was working on the merc achievement and would pass a fully upgraded tower with 2 scouts in it. Two scouts in a spawn tower when both enemy servers have maybe 5 people on the map combined, that’s dedication.

Yep. You summed it up right here. If all the BG scouts from the towers/keeps combined into a single force, they’d of outmanned the sum total of the other two servers force on the same map.

Yeah… BG’s hard work and dedication won the day.

If you are on a T2 server or lower, I can understand your feeling since T1 servers clearly outnumber you guys, but you are really not in the match for top spots in gold league anyway. If you also from a T1 server…I don’t know, perhaps you should consider not insulting other T1 servers when your own server can pull 24/7 queues when fighting against T2 servers?

Why no use anymore? You changed your recruitment process?

Though less dramatic than the FA/TC dolyak parade beginning, the SoR and BG rivalry is no less epic as the feud between the two has pretty much lasted the majority of GW2 WvW history.

SoR and BG were both young servers rising through the ranks when they met in T2, where they engaged in 9 consecutive weeks of intense fighting. Then both servers rise at roughly the same time into T1 and have been fighting and hating each other ever since.

What’s interesting is how each server view each other. BG saw SoR as a militaristic server with a strong man leader that ran all guilds in a ruthless tight ball, which seems to stand completely contrast to BG where command is decentralized with tolerance for more diverse play styles and guilds. SoR seems to view BG (correct me if wrong) as a big disorganized server with tons of fairweathers versus theirs being a tight knit community that is more hardcore. BG is more ppt oriented while SoR claims to be more about fights. The contrasting characteristics of the two servers just make it a good archetype for rivalries.

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Tarkus.4109:

Why are we still talking about this crap

A good question, let me offer some possibilities:

1. Because what you did and how you did it mattered to the people behind the pixels?

2. Because you insulted the people who stayed behind?

3. Because you’ve never acknowledged, let alone taken responsibility or apologised, for the negative impacts of the move?

4. Because all of this has earned you a related reputation?

5. Because every Dorian Grey needs his picture?

You’ll recall that, when we were talking about this decision, I said this would happen.

So, to answer your question: you know why and you were warned about it.

Your indignant surprise is disingenuous.

Balancing leagues is negative? So you wanted seasons to be even more lopsided? Apparently 60k victories is too little.

I hear this a lot how MERC’s move actually help balance the tier in season 1. Frankly it may not be true. If MERC did not move, BG would not perceive its late SEA as a weak time zone that needed help, as a result ZDs might not end up on BG or even NA at all and we may end up with a more balanced Tier during the season. The fact is it is MERC’s move that set the following T1 balance shifts in motion, for better or for worse eventually it is hard to tell.

What we know is that MERC did not move to improve balance in T1 since the major reason for the move was because they felt BG’s SEA at the time was too weak compared to SoR and JQ to provide MERC with support. Anyway, what’s done is done, MERC’s leaving broke our heart but most of us learned to move on.

It was fun to watch, however it is also sad that every team has a spirit ranger…

A lot of people on BG have left GW2 to try new games then came back. So I am really not too worried about the long term impact of ESO on GW2 yet if it is as bad as a lot of you claim it to be.

Guru.1582:

So every match was a blowout and the winners were all completely undefeated?

So, basically what I could have predicted before the season even started? Great to know!

Actually the winners of gold and silver league were not predicted to win before the league started. People thought either JQ or SoR was going to win gold and SBI was going to win silver…so no you could not have predicted the results before the season started.

Those transferred mid-season don’t get the finisher anyway and we actually lost people before season, so no idea what your point is?

Samhayn.2385:

Reslinal.2359:

Samhayn.2385:

Reslinal.2359:

Sreoom.3690:

Reslinal.2359:

Sreoom.3690:

Blackgate…please stop. The “We were the underdogs” story is getting old.

I feel sorry for you all…your server built (some would say bought) an awesome WvW army. But winning hands down and easy will wear thin week after week…soon you will see guilds moving to servers where they are challenged.

Blackgate was the perceived weakest T1 server before league starts and even after BG won the first week of league, I would glad to provide links to threads/posts claiming that from JQ and SoR if you are in doubt. The success we have in Season 1 does not change the fact that a lot of people were surprised and shocked by our performance initially.

Also I would advice you to not make predictions about what will happen to BG as you guys are really not good at making predictions giving how your pre-season predictions turned out…

First: Disclaimer: The predictions I make are mine. They are not necessarily endorsed by my server. If you have a beef about it take it out on me…not JQ as a whole.

Second: I noticed you even acknowledge that Blackgate was “perceived” to be the weakest. Thanks, that’s the first time I heard a BG person even come that close to admitting they weren’t underdogs.

Like I alluded in my post, there are a lot of BG people still claiming that Blackgate was the underdog and the ONLY reason you went undefeated was by the grit and talent of your players. I’m not saying you don’t have any talent, but please…be honest, your server won primarily by numbers.

And I stand by my personal prediction…what fun is not having any competition? The better guilds will move on to be challenged. The weakest will stay for the Karma Steamroll.

Most of BG players (at least the serious ones) are always saying we are the perceived underdog entering the season, of course we wouldn’t be able to win the season if we stay out-coveraged by JQ or SoR during the season.

As for how we win, all T1 servers have the population to offer good numbers in all time zones, JQ was said to have 24/7 queues until you fought BG in week 5. Winning WvW in T1 has always been about organizing/mobilizing the server population better and keeping the server’s morale high. During season our guilds stayed up longer, the server was able to get more Pvers to actually try and stay in WvW, and we got ZDs to help cover our weak time zone after we lost MERC/SUPR/TKG in that time zone. So it is how we turn a server that has the weakest coverage before the season to the one with a stronger coverage that allow us to win season 1. Grit and determination certainly plays an important part in it, our guilds and commanders were willing to stay up super late to cover our weak time zones/push enemy’s weak time zone while some other server simply give up when they find out they have a weakness. You won’t keep your server’s morale high if you give up easily.

There are more competition now than a lot of times in the past (e.g. JQ’s long-term dominance after the end of free transfer) and server strength always fluctuate especially now the season has ended. I know many guilds are enjoying the fights now and they don’t seem bored shrug

I wonder if the lost sleep was worth a non permanent finisher and a rng chest.

I can’t speak for others, but the whole process where a whole server coming together united and work hard to win the first season making the lost sleep worthwhile. I wonder whether some server regrets its decision to not try hard at all which leads to serious server internal-drama and splitted community….

I wouldn’t know. My server seemed resigned to the fact we didn’t have a shot pretty much during week 2. It seemed people just got tired of going to bed with full upgraded keeps and getting on after work to see we owned next to nothing and where another 5k points behind. At some point you just stop fighting for PPT and just go out because you like open world pvp. That was hmmm about release for me but others seem to be catching on.

Many servers have coverage problems worse than T1 servers, and yet servers like Yak’s Bend and TC had fun and came out of season 1 feeling good about themselves despite being out-coveraged by opponents while some other server is experiencing problems. Do you think what is a server’s attitude towards playing hard to win has anything to do with it?

Samhayn.2385:

Reslinal.2359:

Sreoom.3690:

Reslinal.2359:

Sreoom.3690:

Blackgate…please stop. The “We were the underdogs” story is getting old.

I feel sorry for you all…your server built (some would say bought) an awesome WvW army. But winning hands down and easy will wear thin week after week…soon you will see guilds moving to servers where they are challenged.

Blackgate was the perceived weakest T1 server before league starts and even after BG won the first week of league, I would glad to provide links to threads/posts claiming that from JQ and SoR if you are in doubt. The success we have in Season 1 does not change the fact that a lot of people were surprised and shocked by our performance initially.

Also I would advice you to not make predictions about what will happen to BG as you guys are really not good at making predictions giving how your pre-season predictions turned out…

First: Disclaimer: The predictions I make are mine. They are not necessarily endorsed by my server. If you have a beef about it take it out on me…not JQ as a whole.

Second: I noticed you even acknowledge that Blackgate was “perceived” to be the weakest. Thanks, that’s the first time I heard a BG person even come that close to admitting they weren’t underdogs.

Like I alluded in my post, there are a lot of BG people still claiming that Blackgate was the underdog and the ONLY reason you went undefeated was by the grit and talent of your players. I’m not saying you don’t have any talent, but please…be honest, your server won primarily by numbers.

And I stand by my personal prediction…what fun is not having any competition? The better guilds will move on to be challenged. The weakest will stay for the Karma Steamroll.

Most of BG players (at least the serious ones) are always saying we are the perceived underdog entering the season, of course we wouldn’t be able to win the season if we stay out-coveraged by JQ or SoR during the season.

As for how we win, all T1 servers have the population to offer good numbers in all time zones, JQ was said to have 24/7 queues until you fought BG in week 5. Winning WvW in T1 has always been about organizing/mobilizing the server population better and keeping the server’s morale high. During season our guilds stayed up longer, the server was able to get more Pvers to actually try and stay in WvW, and we got ZDs to help cover our weak time zone after we lost MERC/SUPR/TKG in that time zone. So it is how we turn a server that has the weakest coverage before the season to the one with a stronger coverage that allow us to win season 1. Grit and determination certainly plays an important part in it, our guilds and commanders were willing to stay up super late to cover our weak time zones/push enemy’s weak time zone while some other server simply give up when they find out they have a weakness. You won’t keep your server’s morale high if you give up easily.

There are more competition now than a lot of times in the past (e.g. JQ’s long-term dominance after the end of free transfer) and server strength always fluctuate especially now the season has ended. I know many guilds are enjoying the fights now and they don’t seem bored shrug

I wonder if the lost sleep was worth a non permanent finisher and a rng chest.

I can’t speak for others, but the whole process where a whole server coming together united and work hard to win the first season making the lost sleep worthwhile. I wonder whether some server regrets its decision to not try hard at all which leads to serious server internal-drama and splitted community….