Guild Wars 2

Will Jon Peters be there?

I’d like to chat about Necro balance

Necromancer.

/15 Charrs

You got too many shots from drinking whenever Necro got one-shotted and now you want to change PvP? Go to bed, ur wasted Brandon.

PSA: Don’t run the Wells.

Keep mastering Death Shroud.

Kitsune.1902:

It might be a class more directed to new players. One weapon set, lack of complicated skill selection, specializations are fairly closely tied to legends and legends have ‘easy to understand’ playstyles behind them.

For example, you want condi damage and support, you pick mallyx and ventari. You pick the specializations tied to those legends, and invocation (I think) as your third specialization. You pick weapon based on whichever legend you plan to use more (staff if ventari, mace/axe if mallyx). And you’re pretty much set to go. For weapons and gear, just pick celestial for everything.

No complicated choices. Very streamlined.

Boring too, from my perspective, but then I’ve been around since launch. Of course if this is the case, then it’s a bit silly – since for new players every class is new, it’s the ‘veteran’ players that are more in need of a fresh class.. and for that I’d rather see it more complex than existing classes, instead of simplistic, ‘streamlined experience’.

That may be a selfish way of thinking though, since it can be argued that new players could also benefit from a class that’s easy to start with.

I wouldn’t say it’s aimed at new players. Resource management is pretty big barrier of entry.

And I simply don’t believd that Revenant won’t get some choice in utilities for each legend. There will be, I tell you.

Pelopidas.2140:

man im famous
/15char

Right man at the right time making right statement, bud.

You’re right.

The memory will prevail!

https://youtu.be/BE-Kp3sVWgY

I plan on making underwater trident.

Rising Dusk.2408:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Gain Life Force every time you cast a spell. Life Force gained: 1%?

This would be awesome for Signet of Undeath’s passive effect, actually.

That could be insanely good passive for this Signet. I would put some small 1s ICD on it, however and bump it to 2-3%. Otherwise it would be balanced around Dagger and subpar for Scepter and Staff.

+1, full support.

First off, always have Flesh Wurm port ready.

I could maybe stream some 1v1s vs. Mesmer later this week, it’s hard to write down guide for it.

Power Necromancer doesn’t have it that bad against Mesmers, certainly millenia better than Condition. It’s very much about first seconds and who spots the other first. If you plan on using Wells, they won’t do much against Mesmer though.

You are still very likely to lose against best Mesmers, but honestly, with the amount of bandwagoners after the recent patch, you should be able to kill most of Mesmers.

Because Reaper and Necromancer differ too much, while it would be nice and basically pre-patch Dhuumfire coming back, it would make this trait meh for Reaper.

Split the Reaper and Necromancer traits. That’s all we need.

“Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum” – Pelopidas.2140

I wish some traits were split between Necromancer and the Reaper. They differ too much. So instead of making 1/4 of traits useless because Reaper may use it in some combo wombo, just give each it’s own version.

Mesmer, for example, doesn’t seem to have that problem since Chronomancer is basically an upgrade.

skowcia.8257:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Necros are ready to feast on the Mallyx revenants.

Necros is the last thing i worry about when it comes to mallyx revenant. Howered revenant has in fact no stunbreaks/invul skills which turns him into easy prey.

See you on the battlefield then!

I will try out Revenant for sure, I have high hopes for this one (Energy management, yikes!). Had hoped to have access to Shiro, though.

I guess I will have to wait for changes to Parasitic Contagion and Dhuumfire and….other condition-related problems.

I just hope that they will do some re-balancing after the WTS and we won’t eat too many nerfs in the process.

Just to point out, Blood Bond is still bugged.

Bhawb.7408:

Chilling Darkness nerf is stupid, no clue who came up with it but they should be fired.

I didn’t expect this one, Bhawb.

Plague – so the change announced by Karl has arrived, that’s good. It’s useable by Condition buils leftovers, now.

Consume Conditions – It’s nice that they have reduced number of Vulnerability, however, imo it is the Cooldown and Blind (with MoC) that hurt this heal way more.

Mark of Evasion – ok, ty.

Chill stacking in duration up to 5 times – legitimate nerf to that Reaper’s Master trait stacking chills, Frost aura and Ice Field. Yeah, that was aimed at Reaper. Turns out they believe we are to powerful on their internal Test servers. Now I’m just waiting for Blighter’s Boon nerf so I can shelve Reaper.

Chilling Darkness – thanks for making choice in Curses Adept tier easier than before. I’ll update my support build later and remove this alternative. Also, nerf to Plague and Well of Darkness can now enter the tier reserved for Signet of Undeath.

I’m just sorry for the viewer that posted a build utilizing Chilling Darkness yesterday on my stream. I guess it lost it’s main value.

Plague Signet is cool, even if little cheesy against condi specs, though passive could be combat-only

Turned out to be quite nice experience streaming.

Still going (after a short break), so if you want, tune in for even more Support actions, Power Shroud dancing builds and Condition builds with MoC

http://www.twitch.tv/rym69

Hey,

So I decided to try streaming as it looks like a lot of fun.

Tune in if you like: http://www.twitch.tv/rym69

It’s merely my first time streaming, so I’m not really sure how will it look like. If you have any suggestions, I’ll be glad to hear them!

Today I plan on streaming some PvP Support build gameplay, then Power and Condition. All non-meta and there will be theorycrafting. A lot. Bonus points for using twitch chat ^^.

I’m rusty, bad Necromancer, but might be fun! Check out if you want!

Cheers,
Rym

I would like to see promised Profession Forum Specialists, though.

We really need those. And it’s not like there’s a lack of good candidates.

http://intothemists.com/guides/5588-blood_curses_support

With quick guide to it.

ellesee.8297:

I think you might be playing the class wrong! Condi Necro isn’t an attrition build at all! It’s very much a burst build! It’s the condi equivalent of SD Fresh Air Ele! And losing to burn Guardians and condi Mesmers! That’s just crazy! I smell some L2P issues! Also I would never run Master of Corruptions with Consume Conditions! Self blind on a class with long cast times and slow animations? No thanks!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I want either this:

1. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Spiteful_Spirit

Or that:

2. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Grenth%27s_Balance

Or both. Awesome skills.

I don’t recall Mesmer being dead in any game mode prior to the patch. I think it was one of more popular professions even, tbh. Just had problem with Thieves.

Maybe they’ve been running this:

http://intothemists.com/guides/5588-blood_curses_support_updated

Got quite an amount of views from the last time I checked it :P

I’m not sure if Minions removing conditions with every attack is a good idea. They’re one of few perfect targets (with Ranger’s Pets) for Epidemic and don’t die before you finish the cast ;3.

No, but seriously, I think it could be too much.

I’m not sure what Arena Net thinks of Minions – should they be kind of like stupid AI with little control, being recycled fairly quickly, but coming en masse (design of “Rise!”) or be more of permanent pets assisting the fight.

If it’s the second option, what if MM got some baseline trait that removes conditions on some Life Force/Shroud actions or possibly make Minions remove conditions quicker/get more healing bonus the longer they exist, i.e. if you just re-summoned Flesh Golem, it will lose condition every 15s, but after living for 30s, the ICD gets down to 10 or 7s etc to promote “taking care” of minions.

Necromantic Corruption could also grant some short Resistance after using Minion’s active or transferring condition.

Idk, I’m all for Minions losing conditions, but I don’t think it should be just passive ICD of Minions themselves.

Yea, might not be perfect thread name, I’ll change it later.

I can’t believe how short-sighted some people can be…

Elxdark.9702:

Rym.1469:

Why do we have some random guy giving balance proposals to Grouch instead of long-promised Profession Specialists for each forum, I have no idea.

i.e. Weakning Shroud triggering in non-combat. Uh, like it always been?

or:

- Last Rites can cause situations where 2 Necromancers are in downstate indefinitely
– investigating

Like wtf is a problem with it? Isn’t it supposed to work like that, lol…

He’s not a “random guy”, He’s Backpack a very well known engi in the competitive scene and as you can see through the doc, he has a good knowledge of the game and how’s it atm not only ranger.

:D

Well, it could’ve been much better. On it’s own, it’s currently at the bottom

We could still escape from there, but I think it would require a patch, not hotfix.

blitzkrieg.2451:

Grouch has announced it as a bug and they are currently tracking a fix for it via Backpack who talks with him on a regular basis regarding balance issues.. Below is a list of the other bugs/ideas that they know of as well from Grouch’s bug list google doc:

Get the full URL for all bugs here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18XFYTY8MKQZRVDKhNvCKXDWKmVggj0JbQH25WBIIboM/pub#h.3qbvrg7fq7kg

So it was posted on Ranger’s subforums and, if it’s not fake…

…I wonder why it’s seems to be the case that some random player talks with Grouch about profession changes to all professions, instead of Professions Specialist we were supposed to get for every profession subforum and were promised one almost a year ago.

Why do we have some random guy giving balance proposals to Grouch instead of long-promised Profession Specialists for each forum, I have no idea.

i.e. Weakning Shroud triggering in non-combat. Uh, like it always been?

or:

- Last Rites can cause situations where 2 Necromancers are in downstate indefinitely
– investigating

Like wtf is a problem with it? Isn’t it supposed to work like that, lol…

Condition meta is powerful.

Oh, wait, no condition builds in tournaments.

Quick reminder:

Just because some gimmick bunker build or MM nobody runs in tournaments can have some sustain in 1v1 or Wellspam can get 3s on Protection on their Well, doesn’t mean that Necromancer sustain is anything around word “fine”.

Try Condition Build in tPvP, then tell me how awesome your sustain was and how much of Life Force you got.

Roxanne.6140:

Someone’s just mad his perma fear necro has a counter to it and is unable to constantly eat up some ele builds all the time.

There’re no Condition Necromancers left, currently. You are likely to meet Power Wellspam, various bunker builds and then some signet builds – last two use others’ conditions and deal mostly power damage. Corrupting Stability into Fear is still bugged and Terror damage without Condition main stat amulet is very low.

Because of current trait placements, Condition Necromancers are likely to even skip Fear Duration because of other better traits in tier. And we’ve lost plenty of condition duration increases.

To be honest, I’d like if Necromancer, actual “boon hate” themed profession was keeping boonspam in check instead of Mesmers, who have this aspects just as a bonus, not focus of profession…

a.k.a. Bring Corrupt Boon back.

Delete Celestial, problems solved. Jk, Eles would kill me.

I think about little change to Evasive Arcana.

What if, in line of recent trait changes, Evasive Arcana only triggered when you actually..um..evade something? Could be bound to dodge or not, so even Burning Speed could trigger it. Maybe even lower the ICD a bit.

This way we would reduce the reset capability and spamming dodges from Eles, but award good player even more, not destroying Elementalist’s teamfighting.

I had an idea for Corruptions/MM Necro, but haven’t played it much. On paper, synergy is there, however.

The bandaid is un-nerfing Consume Conditions, making Blood Bond work in Shroud, tweaking Parasitic Contagion (1. Working in Shroud, 2. Stronger version (split) for PvP-only), possibly making Last Gasp, Furious Demise baseline and make Path of Corruption minor Curses trait (if Mesmers could get Illusionary Persona, then why not).

Then increase Life Force generation, especially on Scepter/Dagger setup, tweak Dhuumfire, erase stupid Plague Suicide mode and make it pre-patch, increase condition damage output (Parasitic).

Now we’re oke-ish. Still bandaid, still suck when focused, but at least all-right in smaller scenarios.

That’s Condition perspective. Wellspam Power isn’t that bad.

1. It shouldn’t interrupt Evade, though it should be Unblockable.

2. It’s needed. Your telegraph is pet within 300 range from you every 15 seconds. Ranger needs instant-CC.

3. Because it’s hard CC, it isn’t increased it duration via Condition Duration stat. Make it condi and I’ll make your 2 second Taunt 3-4s one. I don’t think you want that.

Worth pointing out, while we’re getting the Reaper, Mesmers get upgrade to Chronomancer, which will further empower interrupt builds. We haven’t faced a lot of Slow for now, but we will. Some will surely drop either Chaos or Duelling and get the upgrade specialization.

To be honest, against very good interrupt Mesmer, Necromancer is now like Mesmer was pre-patch against Thief.
But we’re able to fight vast majority and win. Matter of who spots the other first or some lucky play.

Just make it avoidable and it’s ok.

Lower the burst damage, not utility.

Hm, that would be okay and make sense.

I mean, Blind on Consume Conditions wouldn’t be that harsh and Epidemic would boost outgoing condition damage.

I like it.

Eremite, you seem to hardcounter yourself and your previous opinions with every following thread.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Laraley.7695:

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Rampage may be strong 1v1 but its an elite.. It should be.

Anndd it can be moa’d.

Besides, in its current form it is now actually worth caring about without being overbearing. Before it was laughable.

You know the problem is that other classes do not have access to such a powerful elite. Look at eles for example, Tornado is probably one of the worst transforms this game has. They either need to buff all of the elites or nerf Rampage to put them in line. But honestly all these zerkers warriors just count on Rampage to win fights, which is kinda dumb if you ask me.

I agree. But then look at lich. Who’d win, Rampage War or Lich Necro?

1v1? Rampage wins, no question about that. Lich Form won’t stand up 5 seconds.

Trust me. I tested this.

And:

Sorel.4870:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Rampage is fine as it is

The balance king has spoken.

/thread

Move out, folks.

You have a choice between GW2, World of Warcraft and I believe that Final Fantasy something MMO, that Elder Scrolls MMO and Wildstar.

Don’t recall other bigger MMOs worth mentioning now. There are probably some asian titles I forgot about, but it’s hard to follow or play most asian games, so I skipped them.

And there’s no MMO with GW2 combat system. Everything else you’ll probably find somewhere else.

I’d like Axe to be our support weapon.

Now it has no strong theme or design. It needs one.

Mem no Fushia.7604:

• mobs that steal endurance,
• mobs that steal vigor,
• mobs that apply reveal around them,
• mobs that power lock our heal skills,
• mobs that spike together the same target then change etc.
• mobs that stomps us,
• mobs that rez allies,
• more unique mechanic like pick kind of evinronmental weapon near mob area to destroy mobs special defense.

This.

As for rezzing, I remember rezzing Gargoyles from the first game for some reason…

I bother because:

1. I like the theme.

2. I like shattering kid’s dreams (boons).

3. I like DoTs.

4. I still hold some hope that someday Arena Net finally realizes all the potential in Shroud mechanic.

5. I like being the special snowflake and making work things that shouldn’t <- biggest reason.

Waffler.1257:

From my experience mm necro seems to be a decent necro build, so it should probably be nerfed. Don’t mind mesmers, eles, and guardians though, those classes take actual skill.

I love it