Guild Wars 2

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3ph2e1/today_we_will_be_looking_at_the_profession/cw6gt87

If I could, my fellow Mistwalkers… I’d share the scrolls and tomes I have, becuase I got WAY more then I need.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20151023T0001&p0=234&msg=Guild+Wars+2%3A+Heart+of+Throns&font=serif&csz=1&swk=1

I watch this… On three different monitors in my house…

Waiting…. always…. waiting…..

Quietly…. in the dark…. waiting…

Breathing deeply on the back of your neck…. waiting….

They are not called “Elite” Specs for nothing…. Holy Cow.

Alright, well.. time to hunker down and get ready to tear apart the jungle piece by piece…

Wait.. I was planning on doing that already….

Scepter main-hand as melee-magic blade.

Think Knight Enchanter from Dragon Age: Inquisition.

I’d also love the idea of Offhand-Great-Weapons… Like the Greatsword of Artorias from Dark Souls.

:D

First, I’m sorry if I came off self-righteous, again, not my intent.

Swagger.1459:

Well if you had more than one 80 then you would understand. If you were a wvwer with a ton of different characters made specifically for wvw then you would understand.

Ad Hominem.

Swagger.1459:

You jump into the tread insulting players about feedback just because you don’t see a problem. You have every right to argue against and provided counter points, but you don’t diminish someone else’s feedback.

Ad Hominem.

How have I insulted anyone? By expressing a counter-point? How do I have a right to my opinion when clearly I’m not allowed to express it? How am I diminishing anyone else’s feedback?

Swagger.1459:

It’s hypocritical of you to clamor for Revenant changes because that’s next in line to be your number 2 lvl 80 that you are using tomes to bypass the NPE, but have the nerve to insult players who invest a heck of a lot more than you with all their 5-10-15-20-25…. Lvl 80 characters who maybe are made for wvw and have no interest in slogging around maps for 20 hours per character to unlock a part of their profession.

Ad Hominem.

Providing feedback to the mechanics of a profession has nothing to do with bypassing NPE or leveling process.

Second, how many toons do you really need to get everything out of a profession? 8, (9 counting Revenant) one of each. Anything more then that is extra work, in my opinion.

Third, I still don’t see how having 25 toons at any level somehow means that person has better feedback then you or I. Nor do I see how it means they have put more time into this game then I have.

Swagger.1459:

So you are allowed to provide feedback and use a speedy method to unlock your precious Revenant to bypass NPE, but you have an issue with other players providing feedback so they can use alternative methods to unlock their elites to avoid an extreme annoyance. That’s called double standard…

Ad Hominem.

Where did I say I have a problem with other player’s feedback?

The Revenant is not my precious, its Roy’s.

Bypassing the 1-80 system is a bit different then unlocking the Elite Specs. As level 80 and its associated hero points are the “core” of the class (Free-to-play Access), where the elite spec is not (HoTs Access).

Swagger.1459:

Again, players are asking for alternatives, not freebies so cut back on the self righteousness. Also, the optional legendary grind that was self imposed and your distain for pvp really shines through in your “anti-alternative” augment and insults, so stop being childish and start providing constructive counterpoints instead. And your optional legendary grind in no way compares to players gaining access to core profession stuff that is used in a competitive environment such as wvw, raids and high level fractals.

Again with that Ad Hominem.

Why do you argue that legendries are in no shape way or form a benefit to a player? Aside from being Account Bound (which is a huge perk in of its self), they can also swap stats freely, even to newly add stat groups added to the game.

This gives a player with access to a legendary much more freedom moving forward though the game then one that has to craft their gear every time a new set comes out. Legendries are literally Best-in-Slot gear in the game for as long as GW2 will be around.

Yes, I dislike PvP, I dislike WvW, I’m not ashamed of that nor do I hide that fact, but at the same time, it doesn’t mean that I hate PvP’ers, or WvW’ers, and I don’t wish any ill on them.

I think the solution that Anet came up with is alright depending on what additional hurdles are involved with unlocking the Elite Spec, if there are any.

My “anti-Alterative” arguments, as you put them, are less about taking away alternatives from WvW’ers, and more about making everyone follow this ridiculous creed Anet has about forcing people into game-modes they don’t like to get optional rewards they want.

I did see a few people saying the items needed from sPvP and WvW to make the new legendaries are going to be marketplace items? If someone could link me to that dev post, I’d be much obliged.

Which brings me to my point from my last post, no one has presented any evidence that Elite Specs are considered “core” aspects of the professions according to Anet.

While yes, I do agree the Elite Specs add a lot to their core profession, The Professions do not ‘NEED’ the elite spec to function. Will it help with speed runs? For some situations, most likely. Do some of the Elite Spec take already insane builds and lifts them even higher? Yep… I would agree with this.

However, neither of those two points proves that the Elite Specs are in any way part of the “core” mechanics, regardless of what the player base thinks, That’s all of us, me included.

They are locked behind a Pay-Wall, which if the Elite Specs where truly “core” aspects of the professions, and not optional content, would make this a “Pay To Win” situation/game.

So are we arguing now that the elite spec are so amazing that a Necromancer fighting a Reaper has no reasonable chance of winning? That a Mesmer fighting a Chronomancer will always lose? That a Dragon Hunter can kill a Warrior as if he was a Nat? That a Druid can liquefy a Revenant without a care? Would this not turn Guild Wars 2 into a Pay to Win game?

As off topic as this is, if that is the case, why the hell are we arguing about Hero Points when the game we all play is about to descend into the ninth level of gaming-hell?!?

Wishes.3021:

My intention wasn’t to compare the revenant’s traits to other classes’ traits. Unfortunately I didn’t make myself clear enough for people to understand, and probably posted this thread in the wrong sub-forum as you said. I am just tired of traits like the ones I mentioned carrying people in fights who should otherwise be dying, and Anet adding more of these things with a new class just kittened me off a little – I thought there were already enough of them in the game.
I don’t get my ideas from Helseth, I’ve had these thoughts for a long time already but people will only listen to somebody with proof in the pudding so I used him as a voice to vent my frustrations.
Reading this thread though it seems the number of people being against strong passives that can make or break a fight are minimal. As such, I won’t bring it up again.

My big problem is that you don’t offer any objective information as to why these passives are bad, just subjective ones, and then you support your objectivity with a guy who clearly… for lack of a better word, is an kitten. A good PvP’er sure, but he didn’t get good on his own. He doesn’t 1v5 tournament fights and I’m willing to bet he uses passives too.

and yet, despite his strong dislike of reactionary passives, he still plays the game, so it’s can’t be that big of a problem for him.

If you really feel like they are a problem, I’d suggest taking some time, construct a subjective argument and then post that in a proper sub-forum.

it would all depend on the Legend that went along with it…

I’d love to see a Jora Legend with a GS… OP Norn Skills are OP.

Kitty.1502:

Since people don’t know how useless ranger pets are in pvp, I will leave these videos here. Reminder ranger’s are balanced around pets doing 30% of their DPS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBZtYUa-pLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7DWcU3ULtw

I’d love to see the dev post that states ranger pets are 30% of the profession’s overall dps, because I don’t think I have seen it yet, so if you could, please provide a link!

The videos are not very indicative of an actual fight situation. Although they are amusing and I enjoyed the music!

It mostly showcases the problem with AI pathing that effects us all and even some attacks we use.

Does this reduction include cleaving attacks? or are those considered “targeted” attacks?

Demented Yak.6105:

Agreed.

Stability is a menace and should be removed on all classes. If necessary we could have a new system where in order to get stability, you must type in the chatbox: ‘Stability plz 123’. This would allow fast typers and psychics to be rewarded for their superior intellect and reflexes whilst punishing morons, muggles and people with bad keyboard skills.

Stunbreaks should also be removed. If people want to avoid stuns they should have to dodge. There’s no sense in having these buttons that get you off scott-free. We should have an increased number of stuns and other control effects on all professions. None of these should be passive effects. This will promote the ideal of saving your dodges meaning anyone who wastes them on evading dps attacks should be punished as they are obviously idiots.

We should remove all passive traits and replace them with active skills of your choice. This would increase build diversity and send those filthy, disgusting casuals straight back to hell. Those imbeciles should never be able to keep up with a game that’s meant for champions.

I’m with you, brother.

Hahah! started laughing at “chatbox” line and haven’t stop.

Hahahah! Good Post man… Troll Post, but a great one!

I agree, I didn’t feel like the Sword Offhand was very useful, so much so I didn’t actually use it during BWE3.

The Pull is unreliable, and mostly used to set up for UAssault.

The Block is actually in a good place, it’s still got the same up time, just a smaller window then the shield, so if your really good with hitting Blocks when you need them, the sword might actually be a better dps weapon.

This is all speculation mind you.

Sadly, we have gotten no official word as to what the Revenant is going to look like out of the gate. Although Roy has said that most of it will be as it was in BWE3, just trimming a few things.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Roy-Feedback-about-out-Feedback/first#post5609485

Oh boy…

Ok so first off… This thread really needs to be removed from the Revenant Forums if not outright deleted.

Just because one PvP’er (Regardless of who they are) doesn’t like Passive Traits acting passively, doesn’t mean it’s a design flaw, it just means he doesn’t like them.

If he really did understand what great game balance was, he shouldn’t be wasting his time PVP’ing in-game, he should be working for Anet and every other game company in the world, making perfectly balanced games and racking in more money then these silly little PVP tournaments make him. Hell, he could start with LoL.

Second… and completely off topic… This guy’s ego is out of control. He literally thinks himself better then every other Mesmer Player out there.

“I’m LORD Helseth, captain of The Civilized Gentlemen. I’m the most accomplished mesmer player in the game when it comes to tournament placings. I’ve also created every single PVP mesmer meta build since a year ago.

There will always be a difference between peasants and kings and that difference is prominently shown here." ~ Right out of the twitch page.

Holy crap… the arrogance… is staggering. Do you really want the game to take it’s direction from this guy?

Well, I stand corrected.

Never mind me then, carry on fellow mistwalkers.

Swagger.1459:

It’s nice to know that you only have 1 level 80 character and that you prefer to insult player feedback on this matter, but yet say stuff like the bolded above…

Players are entitled to their feedback especially when they have a heck of a lot more level 80 characters than you.

I do apologize if I offended or seem to be attacking you. Just because I decided to not be an alt-fanatic doesn’t mean mine or anyone else’s feedback is any more-or-less important.

What does having more than one level 80 toon got to do with this? How does having one of every class at 80 make you any more or less informed then me? At the start of the game maybe this might have been the case, but this game is three years old already. There are more than enough videos, wikis, guides and other resources out there so anyone can learn all they need to know going forward.

Do I have to do as much work as you do to “unlock” my character’s full power? No, but then again, having different toons and wanting to keep them all competitive should mean you get to put in twice, three times, <Insert number of toons here> times the amount of work that I have chosen to do. This also means you have more options at your disposal and the cost for this, in this game, is Time.

My biggest problem with Threads like this are all the demands for double standards and the emotional arguments about how it’s “Not how we want to play, new options need to be put into the game just for us.”

I dislike PvP a LOT… yet, there is no alternative way for me to get a HoTs Legendary then to PvP both in WvW and sPvP.

There is no way for me to get certain achievements or titles other than to PvP.

Because that is how Anet has set up the game.

Why shouldn’t there be some PvE only rewards? Because you and others don’t want to deal with it?

Which brings me to this:

There is a HUGE difference between optional fluff skin items and something that deals with core gameplay for your character. I totally believe Anet should lock skins and minis to certain content to provide incentives. Because at the end of the day, that’s optional. Something like elite specs or stat gear like ascended though? No, that should really be available through multiple avenues.

This is a valid point, and a good one at that. My only argument to this would be…

The Elite Specs and Ascended Gear are not a part of the “core” aspects of the professions.

While they certainly help a great deal, and offer new and interesting powers we haven’t had yet, it is not considered a “core” aspect. Because they are not “core” aspects, then that means they are “optional” aspects, which as you pointed out… are locked behind content to provide incentives to play other game modes.

So then the argument boils down to: “What is a Core Feature of the Characters?” and I think that can be answered by asking “What do Free-Players have access to?” Anything not on that list, Which includes most of the HoTs content, at least in my opinion is optional content.

I am open to any arguments that would stress otherwise.

Swagger.1459:

@sarif

You’re so silly, of course there was a ton of feedback and requests to change those things.

It’s ok to breathe buddy, it’s only feedback.

It’s just the hypocrisy and the double standards being tossed around… It’s a pet pevee if you will.

It is a pain in the kitten to deal with game-modes you rather have nothing to do with, for me, those game modes include anything remotely related to Player vs. Player combat, I just have no interest in fighting other players.

But, Anet has forced us to do it if we want certain things… And clearly hasn’t back down from this stance. So if that is the case, Why should WvW’ers get special treatment?

While I agree with you on this, I think this might have been something that should have been brought up a bit sooner then… five days before the expansion. >,<

I do agree with you though, I love the colors and all that, but the overall look of the Facets just don’t fit much.

… this whole “Doing Hero Points in Open world is blah! We need alternate means!!” thing is … well… a double standard.

PvE’ers had to deal with running around WvW for Map completion… and you didn’t hear anyone demanding for an alternate means.

PvE’ers have to sPvP to get skins that are no where else in the game, yet you don’t hear us protesting.

Now, finally… there is something WORTH doing PvE for, and you guys are rioting like this is somehow the end of the kittening world.

Get over it, Grow Up, and Get used to it… Anet has this kitten about forcing people into content they don’t want to do on the off chance it might make you play longer and net Anet, and their overlords at NCsoft, more of your money.

This isn’t going away as long as it effects the bottom line.

It’s boring yes, to run around and collect Hero Points, but it’s not like there is anything stopping you like a enemy zerg or a Door, or a Gate or some Min’Maxed kitten using the bugs in his class to one shot you. Yes there is no challenge, its a time commitment, and one Anet is happy to saddle you with… in case you haven’t noticed that seems to be the big thing about this HoTs. It’s called “End Game Content”.

Morfedel.4165:

For those who have the scrolls and tomes, you could make a level 1 and, after the tutorial, level a character to level 80 in a matter of a minute or so of clicking.

So, for those of you who plan on playing revenant on day 1, and have the resources, will you stick to level 1 and do the patient leveling up, or will you go straight to level 80?

I’m going to hit 80 right off the back, and I do plan on getting world completion afterwords. The Revenant relies a bit to much on his Legends being fully available for me to feel comfortable going though the NPE stuff. I rather just hit 80 and god-mode my way though World Completion.

That and Halloween stuff I need to farm for apparently. XD

Meghan.1893:

I know people hate these types of subjective questions, but I haven’t played in like 2 years and I plan to come back for HoT. I watched a youtube video by woodenpotato, a sort of famous GW2 player, on raids and end game content. One of the issues he brought up was that in HoT certain classes are going to be needed a lot more now than others.

Ok, So, just to make sure we all know this: He has little to no experience in dealing with the Raid Content, and the same could be said for anyone claiming otherwise, so any “belief” he has in how it is “supposed” to be set up right now is just that, a belief built on raiding experiences from other games. I watch WP’s videos too, but I have a lot of problems with things he says, and how people take his word as gospel for the GW2 world.

The fact is, we (the player-base) haven’t had the time to even scratch the surface of what is “acceptable” in raids.

Meghan.1893:

One example he gave was how condition damage has been buffed and engineers (a class I have never played) do the most dps. So the question he asked was why a group would bring anything other than engineers for condition damage, which makes sense.

The Condi Buff happened a while ago, and what it changed most was how Condi-coefficiencies work so that Condi-Dmg can now rival Power builds.

Engineers ooze Condi damage from every pour on of their body and I wouldn’t be surprised to see just how much damage they can put out, however, just because they might be the “best” doesn’t mean they are required or the only ones allowed. Not everyone plays to the mathematically best options.

Meghan.1893:

I have always played Elementalist, and have never tried any other class. He also mentioned that since in raids, due to the number of people, you always have 25 stacks of buffs, so Eles aren’t needed as much as they were previously.

This might be true, in some part, but so far we have only seen one real raid boss fight, in which people are stacked together for 85% of the fight… This doesn’t mean that will be true all the way though the raid environment. Also, Elementalist damage when done right is nasty. Not to mention the Water Fields and Auras. All of that means nothing if you’re not an alert and capable player to begin with.

Meghan.1893:

So my question isn’t necessarily about Eles, but in general, for people who have played the HoT beta, how would you rate the importance of each class in HoT in group content. Who would be your top 5? If Ele isn’t as good as it used to be, I think now would be a good time to switch. Yes, I understand it is subjective, I am asking for your point of view.

My top five people for taking into a raid are as Follows:
1.) Me
2.) My significant other
3.) The people I have been playing games with for the last 5 years
4.) Anyone that is willing to have a great time in a run, come failure or success
5.) Anyone left in my guild

Seriously. No joke. I rather have an experience in which I have fun with great people, cracking jokes, picking on/being picked on then go into a raid having to do the mathematically best-everything.

I have been playing games for the last 15 years… and I have to tell you, Fun is why more important than killing a boss.

Spurrlock.3219:

Hey all,

I’m looking to fill the condition dps role in the upcoming raids, so which professions can dish out the highest damaging conditions?

I’m currently charging quartz for my sinister gear, and I really don’t want to waste it on a sub-optimal profession. I’ve never really messed around with conditions in pve (though I’m excited that they have a niche role now) so I could really use some advice.

Thanks!

Well, I would hope your build Ascended Gear, so it can be Account-Bound and you don’t have to fret about not making it for the right class.

That being said, your going to want to find a class that has:

1.) Stable/Consistent
2.) High Stacking
3.) High Condi Co-efficiency
4.) You can play it well in a whole host of situations.

Sidenti.6035:

Here’s your homework! (Be sure to read the Discussion page too.)

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Condition_Damage

HAhahahahaha!!!

I’m crying… Oh man… Hahahaha….

Until I see the UI, or a Dev Post stating clear as day, the exact number.. I wouldn’t fret to much over it.

Eh? People are complaining about not knowing whats going to happen to the market?

They should just do what anyone in their shoes should do… Go Work for Anet, get some insider info and abuse the system that way. ;D

Uh…. huh…..

Why can’t you afford it?

….

….

I think my brain just burnt out there for a second… …. I swear I thought I read “Guardian Signet Build”….

No… No I did….

Dainank, why do you hurt me so…?

On a more serious note, I haven’t had any success with Signet Builds. If you do, I’d love to hear more about it!

Well, here is hoping Roy shared the feedback about Brutal Blade with Karl… seeing as Sword Wave was the #1 cited example as to why that change needed to happen.

Demented Yak.6105:

Your resource mechanic is energy. Weapon skills and utilities cost energy. Swapping legends gives you 50 energy. You can have up to 100. It regenerates at a rate of 5 per second.

Small fix here…

Energy “rest” at 50. When you swap to a new legend, you reset your energy (no matter where it is) to your “resting” point of 50. the Energy Bar goes from 0-100.

You regen at a rate of 5/sec unless you have a unique “Upkeep” skill in effect, which can lower your regen rate from +5 to -5 (A range of 10), effectively bleeding energy during certain upkeep skills but these skills tend to be rather powerful.

Adjust.6903:

What seems to be the most effective solo build thus far?

Just like you, no one has had proper time yet to amass the knowledge needed to put out “Official” builds for the Revenant yet. Although I can tell you, given how clearly the Trait and Legends are, There will be quite a few builds built around roles in groups.

As humbly as possible, if you want a good idea of what’s what on the Revenant right now, at least according to me, you can read my rather huge post here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Revenant-Feedback-Massive/first#post5617531

Careful, it’s kinda big.
;D

Read the Tome carefully, they clearly state that at lv 80, they grant Spirit Shards instead of EXP, however… the Writs grants XP…. just saying.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Absolutely but what I was saying is that its going to be a single hit, where the projectile hit two times, one outgoing and one coming back in.

People are asking if the loss of this double hit feature will cause a loss of DPS potential, or if the new replacement takes that into consideration.

AH! Ok, I get you now.

While it might suck, I don’t see us getting the added DPS… I’d hate to say it, but I rather have slightly less dps then an attack that will be a bigger hindrance in the long run.

Still, some feedback from Roy could clear this up easily!

OO I like new animations!

Here is hoping we see some of them on Revenant!

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Still a problem, hope it gets fixed but maybe just making it into a slash would reduce potential dps, like we’re worried about with rev.

Roy has stated that the Projectile is getting removed!

Roy Cronacher.1576:

I’ve gotten lots of feedback, increasingly so with time, about this part of the sword auto-attack chain. I’ll be changing this skill so that it will no longer use a projectile attack and instead it will become a normal melee attack which applies vulnerability.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Brutal-Blade

Praise be to our Dev Team….Amen!

Black Box.9312:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

The one to Rule.2593:

Yet guardians still waiting for the same auto attack fix…..and spirit weapons fix…

I mean it being a projectile is bad but did guardian AA have the same uh… problems that revs AA did? I dont remember ever having problems with terrain messing with my guardian using sword.

Edit: I am actually asking by the way. I mainly used hammer on guardian but I did use sword a lot too.

It’s pretty bad. It doesn’t cleave, and any sort of terrain disparity or sometimes even just strafing movement can throw it off. I didn’t get to try the Revenant’s sword firsthand, but I know that part of the reason why it’s so bad on Guardian is because it’s an attack that’s treated like a projectile, but it doesn’t actually throw a projectile. So it’s kind of baffling that it has projectile properties to begin with.

The reason the Guardian’s Sword Wave is horrible is because it does actually throw off 3 projectiles, each with a range of about 300 but different angles (like Zealous Defense’s shots.) This is how they coded it to hit 3 times. Add to this, the fact that you didn’t cycle the auto-attack until you hit an enemy target meant that if your target was hiding in a reflect area (Wall of Reflection, Feedback) or had a reflect barrier up (like many mobs/bosses in Fractals), your Melee Weapon suddenly couldn’t touch them and you end up blasting yourself with Sword Wave 9 times until it resets in a second and a half.

Just to give an example as to why this is bad, Let’s Math!
Assuming Full Celestial for the sake of numbers, Sword Auto Chain does: ~2010 Damage on a heavy armored target.

Of that, 972 of that is Sword Wave alone. A total of 48% give a few decimal places. This means on a reflecting target, you blast yourself with a total of 144% of your full auto attack damage all this is assuming all three projectiles hit.

On the topic of the projectiles hitting to begin with, Sword Wave has an awful track record of flat out not working due to elevation difference (anything as small as a single step) or not hitting because it “found no valid path to target” due to a rock being in the way. No joke, this happens all the time. Gods help you if the target is say, an Object like a door or a Arrow Cart, Sword Wave was almost assured to never work on it till a recent patch.

The Revenant’s skill Brutal Blade, was arguable better as it boomeranged back, which forced a much tighter control over the pathing of the projectile but this could conversely causes problems as you would now reflect this attack and have multiple boomeranging attacks and outright kill others, if not yourself, in melee with your attacks. Needless to say the projectile part caused a horrible reaction in a lot of us. Thank Roy it got changed.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Sarif.1827:

I personally would love to see the animation change to:

Right-to-Left Swing (Standard Sword Animation)
Left-to-Right Swing (Standard Sword Animation)
Dual Swing (Warrior Offhand Ax)

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!!!11!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!@#$!^%&^*&(

Please….

Haha, Thanks for your vote! Here is hoping this gets slipped covertly to the animation teams!

Bumps for a better future, a brighter future, in which we stop failing wildly!

Varezenem.2813:

I disagree with most of your feedback on ventari it’s mostly l2p. Also you shouldn’t disregard SPvP balance when requesting changes like the one to IO since It’s SPvP that need the strictest balance.

Hey there!

I really tried to not disregard any play mode in my wish list, and I apologize if that is how I came off. sPvP shouldn’t be the only concern in balancing nor the biggest, all game-modes should have equal consideration as should any newly added game-modes. Keep in mind with the introduction of raids, there will be yet another game-mode that requires just as, if not more balancing requirements then sPvP.

Yes, I dislike Pvp and Pvp-related game play, but I don’t think I disregard it. I do understand there are a lot of players that not only enjoy PvP, but actively fight for better balancing in their game-mode of choice, your post being a case like this.

The biggest problem I have with your post is how you made your point. It was akin to sitting on a street corner yelling: “HEY! YOUR WRONG, JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW!” This is not how we reach a better conclusions, better balancing, or a better community.

So I invite you to expand on your feedback, please enlighten me and others here! I’d like to know how you feel the tablet works well and why it shouldn’t change. If it is a L2P situation, then teach us. Video examples would be amazing!

Also, if you could elaborate on how a change from -10 to -8 degen drastically alters Impossible Odds in a sPvP, I would be willing to hear you out. Yes, it does give it longer up time, and that’s was why I made the suggestion.

… We are arguing about a shoulder pad made out of crystals…

… In a game where we have made great-swords out of colloquial time references (Sunrise, Twilight, Eternity)…

Wut? Y U Do Dis?!

I also like the look of the one sided armor in this case, the only thing that really bothers me is that I don’t have a matching gauntlet to go with it the rest of the way down my arm.

This is a Hell of a post, A lot of great Ideas here on how to fix most of his skills…

I love the Idea of dropping Taunt from FE and just making it a brutal Slow.

And I also love the Idea of IR being a Change that builds the road behind you along with fitting the mental image and skill name into it perfectly.

Wish I had read this post before I posted mine… XD

Daniel Handler.4816:

Yes the condi removal would be 1 every 2 seconds only for yourself if you spam the heal. But the removal would only be for yourself. Second the tablet doesn’t actually have to move, you can just tell it to “move” to the same spot it is in and you will gain all these benefits.

…. yea…. that about covers it… and here I was thinking I would get to answer a question…

I’d like to start a thread in which we ask for the auto attack animations to get changed to some less “Failing Wildly.”

With the change to Brutal Blade (Which, thank you Dev Team!) the animations of the sword fits less then it did before. So I would like to start getting our collective voices together to get them “fixed” or at least let Roy and the team know we would appreciate it.

Yes, I understand this is not a major issue or a game-breaking either, but looks are important, and have always been in this game. This part of the reason I find myself still playing after three years.

I personally would love to see the animation change to:

Right-to-Left Swing (Standard Sword Animation)
Left-to-Right Swing (Standard Sword Animation)
Dual Swing (Warrior Offhand Ax)

Yes, I know this would look interesting with some shields, but Hey! That’s kinda cool in my head!

Please post below what you would like it changed to and maybe, if we ask nice enough, Roy and the Team will find enough time somewhere (Because time moves slower in a development studio right?) to help us out! If not for launch, then maybe soon after!

Let your voice be heard!

Thank everyone! And thanks to those that read though it.

I get wordy sometimes. XD

Also, bumping so this stays on the first page, because I can’t just let this go that easily!

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I agree with you that Soothing stone should remove more Condis

Inspiring Reinforcements needs a lot more done to it then removing it’s CD. It needs to be larger, build faster and tick longer Stabs.

Forced Engagement is currently one of the more underwhelming utilities we have. A lot more effort needs to go into this skill, which has an entire trait dedicated to it, to make it something worth the 30 energy it demands. Unfortunately, this starts to cause problems with PVP balancing and that is where the crux of our problem is.

Vengeful Hammers is not a DPS skill. It is a DR skill with mild sustain added in. This is in my humble opinion, the strongest skill in Jalis. Weak and Useless are two things this skill is not.

I concur that Rite needs a lower cast time. the DR that comes from this works on both direct and Condi damage. This is also a group wide skill.

While I agree that Jalis is in need of some help, the “Tanky” feeling of Jalis between Hammers and Rite is solid. We just need to get FE and IR built up to match them.

7590 words… about a week and a half and 2 hours of formatting…

My brain is melted. And we still have 9 days before we can play the Revenant again!

Trait Overview

Now we come to the passive aspect of the Revenant, the mojo in his head, and the grind in her gears. While I am happy overall with our traits, two lines need a lot of work in my opinion.

Corruption Traits

Minors
The Corruption Minors not only work well together but also offer the Rev some backdoor play in the form of a boon-stripping passive. The best part is, it works well with itself and other trait lines without the need for Mallyx to be around.

Adept Traits

• Demonic Defiance – I feel this trait is in a solid place right now, the only thing I would change is to make it so every Legend skill grants Resistance. That could also be me hoping for crazy Resist stacking.

• Replenishing Despair – I love the idea of this skill, however, I think the ICD needs to be removed for this to really be considered to take over Demonic Defiance. The heal is good, but that ICD just causes problems with its scalability and cripples it compared to Resistance.

• Venom Enhancement – An interesting choice to say the least, and clearly the most offensive one of the bunch.

While I get that it’s supposed to help out with Poison, with the lack of consistent Poison anywhere else (expect mace) in the profession, makes this trait hard to sign on for. I would like to see this changed to make one additional stack of Torment instead, along with longer lasting Condition applications. Also, I feel ICD is a bit much for something as brittle as a single stack of anything really.

Master Traits

• Bolstered Anguish – 3% damage for every Condi on you. Not bad! This skill, just like Demonic Defiance buffs Mallyx without hurting or hindering the other Legend Choices. This gets my stamp of approval!

• Frigid Precision – A 2 second Chill on Crit with a 10sec ICD… This trait is rubbish. It’s a carbon copy of Glacial Heart from Guardian without the damage or AoE. Now if the Chill was 5 secs, that’s a different story, or if the ICD was 5 seconds.

• Spontaneous Destruction – I. Love. This. Trait. The ICD is a little high for my taste, but this trait is great!

Grand Master Traits

• Diabolic Inferno – Again, I know there is fire and poison on the Mace, but this Trait just feels lack luster and oddly out of place. With both the Trigger on Elite, a 10s ICD, and 4 sec of burn, this trait could use an overhaul to something more… Embrace the Darkness related.

• Maniacal Persistence – This is a Theroycrafters wet dream trait… and while I consider myself a theroycrafter, I’d only claim I’m an Adept in the whole shebang. So I’m not even going to try to get into the nasty math for this skill.

I’ll leave that to other frantic Forum Goers.

• Pulsing Pestilence – This Trait is going to get a lot of flak. The Condi-Bombing people on the forums cry about when talking about Mallyx is still around, but this is the baby version of the Old-Embrace the Darkness effect. I personally find some use in this skill without running Mallyx, but Mallyx sure does make this Trait a lot better. Maybe some happy middle ground can be reached?

Devastation Traits

Minors

Another great set of traits that work well with or without Shiro hanging on your shoulders. It also gives the Rev some much need sustainably during a fight!

Adept Traits

• Malicious Reprisal – This Trait offers some interesting counter play towards blocking, but falls short in the overall scheme of things as its two brothers are fair more powerful.

Both the effect and the ICD really cripple this skill badly. For this to really shine, the “Unblockable” attacks should be stored up for 20 seconds until needed, not just the next two attacks, but the next two blocked attacks.

• Ferocious Strikes – This former Master Trait has found a nice home in the Adept line. Depending on your build and gear, this trait can be a contender for your builds.

• Vicious Strikes – Saluting back to their master, this trait improves a Revenant’s skill with a Sword. With either a main or off hand equip, you increase the damage you deal. This works well for both Power Builds or Condi Builds. It’s hard to want to pass up on this amazing trait.

Master Traits

• Assassin’s Presence – This Former Adept Trait has found it’s calling as here. Not only are you making your crits hit harder, but you’re also making your allies’ crit harder. Who says Assassins work alone?

• Jade Echo – This Trait is more for the lore-junkies and Gw1 crowd. When downed, you stun foes around you in fashion of the trailer from guild wars 1.

While this is an interesting skill to say the least, the 90 second ICD and bonus down’d damage, along with the loss of Displacement from the downed state makes this Trait feel weaker than it looks.

• Nefarious Momentum – Love Shiro’s skills? You’ll find a reason to love them more now with added Might with each use! Great for Might-stacking fans! Still… I expected some kind of movement speed related thing here for some reason…

Grand Master Traits

• Assassin’s Annihilation – Do you like to kill your targets? How about Life Drain? Do you giggle with evil glee at the unsuspecting rear of your enemy? Seated with a reasonable ICD, this trait life steals from targets when you strike them from any angle other than the “Face”. What’s not to love?

• Dismantle Fortifications – Here comes that “New” smell again! This trait will find a very solid use in PvP, WvW and even the jungle due to Break Bar mechanics. Solid Trait is Solid!

• Swift Termination – Yea, No kidding. While traits like this are pretty old school, is a crowd favorite and it finds a very welcomed home here in the Grand Master Line.

Retribution Traits

Minors

Some pretty standard stuff in here, some VERY uncontroversial stuff and some stuff no one ever talks about. For a quick rundown, we got Endurance Gain on being Hit, Stability on Dodge, and 10%DR below 75% health.

I’d like to take a moment to talk about the first Minor, Enduring Recovery. This Trait states that you get 25 Endurance (Half of one dodge) when struck on a 10 ICD. I’d like to compare this to the most common Endurance modifier, Vigor.

Endurance regens at a rate of 5/sec and Vigor grants 50% bouns to that regen, for a total of 7.5/sec

One Dodge requires 50 Endurance (for those of you that don’t know!).
Have you done the math in your head yet? This means that every 10 seconds, you the full effect of 5 seconds of Vigor without any of that annoying Boon-related nonsense.

This Trait, get my seal of “Sneakiness kitten boon in the game”. Seriously, Freaking awesome!

Adept Traits

• Close Quarters – “If you’re not close enough for me to wallop, you best stop doing all that damage.” – Every Dwarf Ever. I’d personally love to see this increased to 15 or even 20%, but that might be asking for too much… still, I can dream.

• Improved Aggression – Ok, this is where I start getting wordy. Yes I realized this post as of right now 3374 words long. We have one Taunt Effect. This Trait was built around ONE SKILL on Jalis, One skill which already needs a good overhaul. The part that bothers me the most is the “On NPC” part of this skill.

It bothers me because of the conflicting messages we are getting from the Dev team. On the one hand, Forever and a day ago, we were told there were different versions of PvE skills and Pvp/Wvw counterparts but the last 6 months has seen many of those skill collapse into each other (Guardian Save your Self and Shield 4 for example).

So which is it… are we keeping skills separate or not? And if not, then why isn’t taunt just less effective across the board and why cripple this one poor Trait and this one poor skill which are already crippled to hell and back?

• Planer Protection – Holy Crapping Hand Baskets. You fall, you take like six fall damage, and you get a projectile eating bubble for 5 seconds, on a 5 second ICD. This is possibly the hardest trait type to work into game play, but by god, if you can manage it, holy hell.

Master Traits

• Dwarven Battle Training – On hit, apply Weakness, Weakness applied to you last only half as long. Whoa… Nasty Trait. Granted it’s only 4 seconds of weakness on a 10sec ICD, but that’s 40% up time… which is way higher then most traits like this. Kick kitten .

• Eye of an Eye – Make a world full of blind men. Wait… what? It’s a Trait? Balls.
  Alright… well… I think the mechanics of this trait are actually pretty awesome… expect for that MASSIVE 45 ICD… Really, chop that down to 20 or even 25 and we are talking good sailing.

• Retaliatory Evasion – I feel like this trait is missing something… something that could really be awesome.

Here is a suggestion, Projectile reflection while dodging and just to be clear, WHILE. DODGEING. Not evading, not blocking, Dodging and the mechanics involved with dodging IE: Endurance usage.

Grand Master Traits

• Empowering Vengeance – Can I stop here and just say, I love all the names of in this trait line?

Having been a Shelter Guardian in Pvp (and Yes, I still hate pvp!) I can tell you that having a trait like this on a 1 ICD actually really hurts this Trait, more so when there is only one sources of Retaliation on the Revenant, and that’s the Jalis Heal (and the dodge Trait above).

This leaves this Trait not only heavily tied to Jalis but tied to a master trait. I think this trait need something more, or give more Might stacks per ICD (like 3 for 10secs).

• Steadfast Rejuvenation – When hit once every 4 seconds, get healed for less than 500. Meh. I know it all adds up over time, but this trait is weak to both Burst and Condi Damage making it almost useless really. Something needs to happen here… Protection? Bigger heal? Lower ICD? Any or all of the above?

• Reflexive Summoning – With as tanky as Jails is, I find it odd that the most used Grand Master is the DPS option. This might be saying something about the other two grandmasters.

With a 30 second ICD, you’re most likely expecting me to vote for bringing it down, but no. I think this is actually in a good spot, and here’s way. The Reflexive Hammer is a monster. Unblockable, Weakness-inducing monster with a 33% uptime. Brutal.

Salvation Traits

Minors

20s ICD on the first minor is kind of brutal, but what can you expect for a trait line drawn from a Centaur? The other two minors, Work well together and push for Healing Power mojo in your dojo.

Adept Traits

• Blinding Truth – The most important feature about Blinding Truth, is the complete lack of a ICD and the realization that Revenant are sucking down healing skills like a Cactus sucks up water in Silverwaste. This could possibly be one of the strongest Lite CC Traits in the game given the Revenant’s utility nature.

• Nourishing Roots – The Trait most people will no doubt take is this one. I however, feel like this Trait should be baseline in the tablet, more so if you’re going to charge us 10 energy and a CD to pull it out upon invoking this leafy kitten.

• Tranquil Balance – I feel the healing modifier on this should effect the Revenant as well. One must stay alive if one is to help one’s allies.

Master Traits

• Eluding Nullification – This is a great trait, but I have to request at least one of two things. Either the Condi’s removed increases, say around 3, or the ICD be removed.

Even assuming the best possible situation I can think of, a Revenant can only get 3 dodges chained together. I know this skill works on allies as well, which is why I’m not make any insane demands… I think.

• Invoking Harmony – For 10 seconds, you get 20% healing after Invoking. While this sounds great, a solid 3 seconds of that is going to be lost in simply swapping to Ventari, getting the Tablet out, and getting a skill off from the tablet.

Maybe make it increase healing power by 10%, and 15% in Centaur Stance? Other suggestions for this would be increase Healing effectiveness by 10% while In Ventari, or a reduction to Tablet-related Energy cost for 12 secs.

• Tranquil Benediction – I love this trait, the only thing I would suggest is adding an “Orbs last 100% longer.”

Grand Master Traits

• Momentary Pacification – Daze foes on Elite use. I have a hard time with this Trait. While I love that its current form allows for cross-Legend use, I find myself struggling with another possible version of this Trait.

Daze Enemy Targets hit by Ventari’s Will (The actual heal skill from the stance.) Slot it on a 5sec ICD and now you got something you really have to watch out for!

• Natural Abundance – Wonderful skill, and that healing on there is great! I’d like to see it make at least 3 fragments, or possibly make a fragment for every 10 energy used while the tablet is out.

• Selfless Amplification – Healing Power = % Benediction… Alright, I can see how this is helpful, the amount of Healing to % may need to go up or down, but this is a solid trait.

Invocation Traits

Minors

Invoking causes Fury, Fury give more Ooph… and a stun breaks?
C-C-C-Combo Breaker!

But seriously, while it does follow suit with the first two, having another Stun Breaker, and one that is this easily accessible is nice.

Adept Traits

• Cleansing Channel – a nice trait, one of the few cross legend Condi defense we have… but I have to ask, how much would it really be asking to have this remove 2?

• Cruel Repercussion – Another ICD that I’m actually completely ok with, along with the above suggestion to Malicious Reprisal could make this an amazing skill for target cracking.

• Fierce Infusion – Ok, On heal grant Fury… nice cross legend trait, works into the base gameplay of the Rev… only one major problem, the 20 ICD. There is no reason this can’t be 10 secs with 4 secs of fury, or better yet, 15 ICD with 7 sec Fury! (Disclaimer: I pulled the numbers from thin air)

Master Traits

• Equilibrium – Ok, now this skill is interesting, not only because of how it works, but it let’s use know you can base effects off our energy thresholds.
  For the skill in question, I have a minor suggestion.

Keep the base values you have but increase the healing and damage for every 5 energy we gain/lose going back to 50 by a set amount. Just think about it… could be awesome, and would give this trait a chance against its fellows.

• Incensed Response – Invoking is a big deal around this trait line eh? This is a brutal trait for PvP and I see it getting a lot of love. 15 sec of Fury on Invoking while stunned… gah…

• Invigoration Flow – Use Energy, Receive heal once every 5 seconds. Would it be possible to get the heal bumped up to around 500? Or with a Healing power coefficient? Hopeful Thinking? Maybe?

Grand Master Traits

• Charged Mist – Talk about Energy Management brutality. If played right, you could get 25 stacks of might off this trait alone… I doubt we will see this trait come into its own for a while till the community at large learns to micro-manage the energy gauge that much. But it will happen.

• Shrouding Mist – For those Jalis and Ventari fans, this trait bring a bit more ooph to those to play styles and offers all invokers another trait line that helps benefit them. I would suggest making the Healing portion apply to the Revenant as well and bring it down to 15%. It’s a self-defense trait yea?

• Rolling Mist – Wow. I can see this trait getting whammed soon after launch. If it does manage to make it that far. That said… I want to be extra clear in what I am about to say: This Trait is the ONLY REASON I USE THIS TRAIT LINE. Personally.

However this trait works so amazingly well with the other traits in this legend that it is just an amazing capstone to the Fury whole line.

Herald Traits

Minors

Starring the second trait line that has no ICD, this line already has a +1 in my book. I’d like to point out some interesting numbers that are cleverly hidden in the Minors.

Vigorous Persistence, which grants 25% Endurance Regen only amounts to 1.25 Endurance per sec.

For this master trait to build to the point where you get another dodge, you have to have been sub-100 endurance for 40 seconds. I think this trait could use a pick me up, or something else (say, passive movement speed increase?).

Lastly, Envoy of Sustenance only grants 15% boon duration for a Grandmaster Trait. A basic 10 sec might is now 11.5, lesser duration boons barely even feel this and it feels kind of underwhelming, more so when you realize we have to get a ton of Hero Points invested here to even unlock this. Maybe a bump to 20%? Or an increase in energy regeneration?

Adept Traits

• Hardening Persistence – kitten jokes aside… This trait is walking a nasty wire. Increase it too much, and high upkeep become a walking wall, too little, and it begins to falter when compared to other Toughness granting traits which are typically 150 for just walking around.

Right now, you need to have an upkeep of 4 just to match the typical toughness trait. This leaves you with +1 energy per sec. I suggest raising the Toughness to 50 and see what happens with the community’s use of it. If it does look like it’s too much, then taper it back to 45 and if it’s still too much, back to 40.

• Radiant Revival – Needs to apply to the Revenant as well, gives it a little (big) reward for taking the risk. Or increase Rez speed, or grant Light Auras, or something. Something about this need to help the player for the risk. And we all know how risky Rez’ing in WvW and PvP is. Also… 45 ICD… really? Come on! 30 tops!

• Swift Gale – The only problem I have with this Trait is the lack of duration on the Super Speed. 5 secs! Come on! You know Stun Breaks are hard enough to come by (50 energy for one of the three!) I don’t think it’s asking too much!

Master Traits

• Bolster Fortifications – Love it, Like it… but … come on… 2 secs?! Come on! You’re killing me jeebus! Make it 5 and we will talk!

• Harmonize Continuity – a very interesting trait… and god help the poor kittens fighting against the guy that manages to work out with his team on how to use this.

Outside of some Pvp and maybe even Raid content, most people carry their own stun breakers and use them reflexively. I don’t see this getting a lot of love or use going forward. I have no suggestions here other then something new? Guess we will see!

• Shared Empowerment – As a Guardian, I run Empowering Might, and I have to say I was really happy when I saw this Trait. It’s my go to for the Master’s line.

Grand Master Traits

• Elder’s Focus – I’d like to argue to get this increased to 3 or 5%, but if I stop living in a vacuum, I can see how this trait can offer a lot of power in a group setting. Also, this is my Go-to here.

• Enhanced Bulwark – First, we get Dismantle Fortification, and now this! Claiming another first in Gw2, we now generate an extra Stability once per second. While this is great if we are getting Stab from outside sources, our only two sources come from Jalis and Retaliation-dodging Trait. Still I didn’t play with this, it could have a really great effect in game, but on paper, it’s kind of meh. I’ll have to defer to other Testers for feedback on this one.

• Soothing Bastion – I don’t know if all the itty bitty durations on boon across the whole profession were on purpose, or if they were made in response to this Trait, but I stand by my feedback and requested increases of boon durations.

For this trait… I checked 4 different sources, and finally, I found where the ICD is. It’s the same as the skill and I can’t fault that. The only thing I worry about is when you got Condi’s on you, and you’re already in Crystal Hibernation, what happens? Do you get more CH or does it cut off one Block for the Traited one?

That’s about it, I got nothing else!

If you managed to read though all this, Thank you for reading all my opinions and suggestions.

I am looking forward to playing Heart of Thorns and seeing how the Revenant will change the landscape of Guild Wars 2.

Utility Skills

First, let me say this. It’d be really nice if the Wiki was updated with the current iteration of the skill. However, using the magic of the internet I was able to find three sources just to make sure the info I was using was accurate.

Mallyx Utility Skills

• Heal is good

• Banish Enchantment is good

• I’d like Pain Absorption to go up to 2 Condi per cast, or have the cost come down by 5.

• Unyielding Anguish is good. Now before those of you listening start throwing things at me spiritually, hear me out. I do not feel like the only flavor Mallyx had was Resist Building and Condi Bombing.

Yes, I agreed the loss of Displacement really hurt us overall, but it was causing massive issues. What we got was something that increased our damage, and gave us another snare as well, and if you’re not running Shiro, and some builds won’t, this snare is a god send. It is also a Dark Field, a rare gem.

• Embracing the Darkness is…. Alright. I’d like to see the Torment go up to 3 stacks, or the Stat boost go up to 15% Aside from that, I think it’s actually a pretty kitten awesome skill, both in concept and execution.

Shiro Utility Skills

• Heal is good, Love the extra damage, my biggest concern is how useless the projectiles are at range due to a lack of speed.

• Phase Traversal is great! Please, Leave it be! I’m begging here. PLEASE! There are plenty of other shadowsteps in the game, please let us keep something that makes us stand out!

• Riposting Shadows is great!

• Impossible Odds… mmm… I don’t like it. Don’t get me wrong, Super Speed and Quickness are awesome, and that’s not my problem with the skill… my problem is with the 10 Energy Cost on top of the -10 Pips.

I get that Quickness is a big deal, but the Guardian has group wide Quickness on a 45 Sec Cooldown… I really think we can lessen the upkeep to -8. Please at least consider it Devs!

Jalis Utility Skills

• The heal, should just remove all Condis… or it can remove all damaging condition and increase the heal per an amount per removed condi (Mind you this is while keeping the current healing on the skill.)

• Forced Engagement… Ugh… this skill needs a life vest and bad. On the one hand, it’s one of the few on-demand Taunts in the game, on the other, it’s effect is almost dismissible if not outright ignorable in most cases.

This skill even has an entire trait dedicated to it and even then, it still barely registers with NPCs. The real problem is its PvP balancing is interfering with the PvE Balancing in my opinion. With the now 5 second CD, I think we can go ahead and drop the energy cost to 20 and increase the Taunt effect to 4 seconds.

• Inspiring Reinforcements like most of the things related to Jalis, needs some work. First, the range could use a bump to 900, followed by a faster “build time” and double duration on those Stability ticks.

• Vengeful Hammers is the only thing in Jalis I have no qualms with, Thumbs up and hammers out!

• Rite of the Great Dwarf is a reactionary skill that require precognition to work properly, and trust me, if I could see the future, I would be the ruler of this world, all video games would be perfectly balanced and I would have achieved world peace, perfected the space program and be living on a personal space palace while writing the greatest book of all time.

So now that we all know that precognition doesn’t work, can we place bring this cast time down to .75 sec? Along with that energy to 35? and increase the Rite’s DR to 6 secs? I’m just trying to help with at least one of my goals in this life…

Ventari Utility Skills

Ok, Roy, fellow devs team members, community members… we need to have a talk… this is an intervention.

We need to talk about Ventari… we know he has some spunk, some mechanics never before seen in Gw2 … but… He just isn’t helping.

His Tablet is clunky, it requires too much attention to properly manage in our typically chaotic combat… I know he is a supporter, but… Even the Guardian, Tempest, and Druid are looking at us and going… “WTF Mate?”

Something needs to change, and if you need more proof, here is some. As of this writing… going to Youtube and looking for Ventari Revenant anything just results in videos about the horse himself or of the live stream showcasing his release. There are no videos showing off his Legend, or usefulness in run and this has to change because… kitten it, I actually like his skills, just not his mechanics.

I don’t know if you guys got the idea for the Tablet from Orianna in League of Legends or not, but I think going and reviewing her mechanics could really help in working on building Ventari back up.

First, her “tablet” is with her on spawn, this would mean when you invoke Ventari, the Tablet would auto summon next to you and follow you like a non-combat pet.

Ventari’s Will would “detach” the tablet from the Revenant and will play like it does now until the revenant either “picks up” the tablet or passes it’s tether range.

Next, the idea of the tether is not going away, just being modified if you out range it, it snaps back to you a moment later.

Other than those two alterations, the tablet and its’ skills functions the same except for the Elite.

• Project Tranquility/Ventari’s Will – the first part of the skill needs to happen automatically and just be a normal part of invoking this legend. As for the Will, it needs to move a bit faster, energy cost needs to come down to 5 but that’s all I got.

• Natural Harmony needs its delay removed, if you spend the energy, the effect should happen instantly. Other than that, It’s a solid heal and a welcomed tool in this kit.
  Purifying Essence is a nice, well-built skill. I think the energy cost is fine and fills a much needed hole, support condi-clearing.

• Protective Solace is without a doubt the one reason I even gave Ventari a shot in the last BWE and I can say I was not disappointed. The only thing that bothers me was the 5 sec CD, I’d like to see this reduced to 1 if possible. The energy cost, while high, is worth the effect.

• Energy Expulsion is going to need a change if the tablet becomes auto-summoned. My suggestion would be this:

You use the rest of your energy to channel Ventari’s conviction, calming the battle field for a time.

Consumes all Energy, 1sec CD

Heals for 1k + 150/10 Energy consumed, 240 Range

Knockback 50/10 Energy consumed, 240 Range

Makes a fragment of every 10 energy consumed.

Blast Finisher

I know I came off kind of hard about the Tablet, but it really needs a quality of life pass before this legend will see the inside of a competitive PVP match and something that currently requires this much attention to manage is not going to be useful in PvE.

I would really like to see all parts of the Revenant feel as amazing as Shiro and Glint, and for me, Ventari is really crippled.

Glint Utility Skills

The Mother of all the Upkeepz. I think Glint is in a good spot. Boons, Upkeep cost, effects… it all feels like it’s in a good place. The only thing I have a problem with is the Facet of Chaos being -5. I’d really like to see it brought down to -4, but other than that, I got nothing to add here.

Weapon Overview

Arena Net has this bad habit of taking traditional fantasy tropes and turning them upside down on their head. The Revenant’s Weapons are no different.

While some sit farther away from the tropes then others, it is clear that the Revenant’s Weapons are some of the most unique around, again, thanks in part to how new they are.

Disclaimer: I am morally opposed to the words Buff, Nerf, and Over-Powered. While there is some amazing strength in the Revenant’s weapons, I do not feel that they are any more or less insane then other weapons currently in the game.

Sword Main/Off-hand Weapon Skills

Holy. Crap. On. Crackers. I love me some sword-swinging action.

Roy and the team have heard our concerns and have gone ahead and altered Brutal Blade from being a Projectile to a standard attack with added Vulnerability. Feedback in action. Thank you guys!

This news leaves me and a few other Revenant Fans with another issue, the animations on the auto attack look clunky. If we band together, and politely ask, over and over again on the forums, we may be able to get the animation set changed to something a little less “Failing Wildly”.

The second attack, Precision Blade is working and is a great way to chill a bunch of foes and for those of you with Binding Blade experience, a great way to burst something or someone into the next respawn timer.

Unrelenting Assault. Here are two words that are about to get a whole LOT of feedback, rage, whining, crying and other standard forum attention. On the one hand, People claim it doesn’t have enough counter play… on the other hand, there are a bunch of skills and combos that have no counter play, and here is a small list:

• Death Shroud Auto Toggle
• Elementalist burst combos
• Thief burst combos
• Stealth
• Million Knockdowns Warrior Hammer/Mace/Shield combos
• Mesmer just about anything.

Wait… Are you, dear reader, sitting there going “Bullkitten! All that crap is avoidable in one way or another!”?

I hope the answer is yes, because it’s bullkitten. All these are avoidable and counter-able, including Unrelenting Assault.

But they weren’t at first. It’s because public knowledge hadn’t had enough time to actively learn about these mechanics and figure out how to handle them. Given enough time, people will learn how to counter it and it will suddenly stop being a problem.

If you have a problem with UA, give it time, or better yet, play a Revenant and you will see what I’m talking about.

I will admit I did not use the Off-Hand Sword skills at all during the last beta. Then again, I didn’t PvP either.

Hammer Weapon Skills

It’s Big. It’s Heavy. It has earth-shattering power and no, it’s not what’s rocking in my pants.

Revenant Hammer is another weird twist of fantasy conventions that Anet is known for doing. They made it a Ranged, Slow (for Gw2) weapon that has a terrifying wallop to it.

My biggest complaints about this weapon relates to Coalescence of Ruin and Phase Smash.

First off Coalescence of Ruin.

I love Coalescence of Ruin visually, its effect and everything else about it. However, as mentioned in most likely hundreds of posts, Coalescence of Ruin is having some problems following orders and likes to shoot off in random directions across terrain that is uneven.

I’m not a programmer, but I’m willing to bet this has something to do with the attack being like Guardian’s Torch: Zealot’s Fire. It follows the ground the best it can, but it’s using pathing mechanics that we all know get uppity some times.

Next, Phase Smash.

It’s a Leap with an extra-dimensional twist. It’s supposed to evade, but on several cases, I found that I could be effected by ground effects half-way though the leap. I don’t know if that’s a bug, but it seems like it to me. Also, this skill tends to handle elevation poorly, (as most skills do in GW2).

The next two things are cosmetic in origin. Let’s start with Hammer Bolt.

I get that we are supposed to be throwing a hammer-shaped bolt of mist energy, but come on… it doesn’t even look like the hammer I’m using! I propose a change to the “bolt”.

Make the bolt look like the one from Brutal Blade previously, connected with a bit of red energy to another one. This way, we are tossing Red Bolos everywhere, or you could just code it to use the hammer we are wielding, novel idea that one. I think I heard thieves asking for this a lot too when it comes to their dagger tossing.

The second visual is… you guessed it, Drop The Hammer. Again, use the hammer we are wielding or turn it into a mist-projectile that hovers in the air for a bit and slams into the ground.

While these are not major gameplay affecting issues, in a game that is more about collecting weapon and armor skins, visuals are important.

Overall, I really enjoyed the hammer, its range and strength. It felt like it was in a good place and I look forward to seeing it reach us in launch.

Staff Weapon Skills

In claiming the Staff as a Melee Weapon, the Revenant gets another first in GW2. While originally paired with Ventari, the Staff has truly become a weapon in its own right.

Bringing a wealth of utilities, there are few situations in which the Staff can’t find a home. Aside from a complete lack of great Melee Staff skins, I can see the staff finding a comfortable place in my kitten nal.

My one complaint revolves around Staff 2, Punishing Sweep and its bigger brother, Debilitating Slam.

While I’m all for combo skills, triggering this one is a bit of a pain in PvE (I can’t imagine this is a problem in PvP though). Whether or not this is intentional and I just need to L2P, I’d like it if we could drop the whole “Hit a target mid-skill” component and just raise the energy cost slightly (very slightly) while leaving it as a combo attack.

Mace Weapon Skills

A favorite from my Guardian days, the Mace has ever been my trusted companion, through Shadow Behemoth, to Teq, down Orr and up the Fractal ladder.

The Revenant’s Mace is looking get a piece of that action.

As a Condition-Focused Weapon, I can’t tell you how glorious this thing is. It’s got burning, Torment, and tons of more Torment. With a fast auto attack, Fire Field, and the biggest Blast Finisher in the game, the Mace also spews Might and Healing everywhere there are Fields to be found.

While I find the Fire Field and Poison a little out of place, given the renewed focus (Lol Guardian Pun!) on Torment and Chill for Mallyx, I find that both of these server a bigger role in our tool kit and have come to love them.

Axe Weapon Skills

Next up is the Mace’s BFF, the Offhand Axe. Long range gap closer, Chill, and a torment-inducing Stability check, the Ax leads the pack in useful off-hands.

Combining utility with punishing conditions easily jumps the Axe to a “Go-to” position in many kitten nals. While my own play style is more defensively minded, The Axe found many uses in my time in the Beta.

Shield Off-hand Weapon Skills

Our first Elite Spec comes with this beautiful piece of art. Modeled after the power and motherly love of Glint, The Prophet of the Flame-seekers, her powers seek to heal, protect and ensure the success of the Heroes of Tyria.

Glint’s Shield Bash releases a healing burst of protection, and Glint’s Block creates a bastion of rest to ensure the Revenant is ready to take on the perils of the world at large.

I don’t really have anything to say about the shield one way or the other, I feel like it’s in a great spot and matches other Shields in power, uses, and theme. For me, it’s a well-designed weapon!

Greetings and Salutations Fellow Mistwalkers and Devs!

What follows are my personal experiences and opinions of the Revenant, including Skills, Energy, Traits, and other things from the last Beta Weekend Event 3. There will be some facts, but a lot of personal opinion. Please keep that in mind. I am in no way saying that these changes have to happen or it will be the end of the world; these are just what I would like to see.

A few Fun Facts about me:

I hate PvP.
I hate WvW.
Most of my balancing suggestions will most likely be fanboy-gasming.
I have two cats.
I did try the raid and got to the second stage of the Vale Guardian in a 9-man pug.
I like custard over ice cream.
I have been playing GW2 for three years with all that time spent on a single Guardian.
I have only one level 80 toon.
Some, all, or none of the above is relevant to the following feedback.

Revenant: Taste, Texture and Smell

The Quick and Dirty version of my Experience in BWE3

I like the Revenant. No big surprise there, hence the massive feedback post. I feel that the Revenant is in a good place at the moment: it has Solid Damage, Solid Defense, and a Little Condi weakness just to make life interesting.

On the upside, you can set up for a whole host of situations and the profession responds well to High and Low Skill Players. On the downside, you can also get caught with your pants down and not have the tools to handle what is happening.

It is one of the better built classes by far, but we have to keep in mind that it is riding on the back of three years of testing from the other professions. As a soon-to-be Revenant Main-Liner, I would like to take a moment to salute the community and devs for the last three years of sticking with this game.

Revenant: A Taste of Something New

The Biggest Thing Going for the Revenant

If there is one thing that makes the Revenant more amazing than anything else it is the simple fact that is it new.

“New” is not a label a lot of things have in GW2, and simply being new makes the Revenant a huge deal. Still, when you look around the current MMO market, you do not see a lot of classes or mechanics comparable to the Revenant’s toolkit, which make this profession fresh even for an old foggy like me.

You can already see the effect that this “new” profession is having: everything from rage posts, praise post, videos, and hot debates. While it might not be the main point of HoT for the dev team, it certainly became the central point for the community.

I feel like a lot of the rage and rant posts come from not knowing enough about the profession. As a great man once wrote: “The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown” – HP Lovecraft.

Revenant: The Feel of Misty Cotton

My Opinion About the “Feel” of the Profession

I have to tell you all, I was pretty kitten scared for this class when it was first unveiled. No weapon swap, strict trait lines, Legends and weapons made this class almost feel impossible to handle or even cope with in the frantic world of GW2’s Combat Model.

Luckily, we were assigned a great dev team, led by Roy Cronacher, and they have been busting their metaphorical balls trying to get the HoT’s Golden Child whipped into shape so that even Rytlock could be proud to call himself a Revenant.

Massive sweeping feedback changes have come over our new favorite profession, and I have to say, it is looking pretty kitten awesome. To everyone busting out long work weeks, my hat is off to you.

Also, we in the community would love it if this feedback cycle kept going strong into and past the Launch of HoT. Being able to talk to the Devs, converse with them, and hear what they have to say helps us understand what we are looking at and give us the mental tools we need to be better equipped to handle the changes.

Revenant around the Water Cooler

Community Response to the Revenant

Looking around on the forums, fewer topics are as hot as the Revenant. Threads about its playstyle, to skill vs. skill comparison, to troll and rage posts from PvP’ers ensures the Revenant will be carving out a solid part of the population. If there is one thing that will be talked about everywhere when it comes to HoT, you can bet the Revenant will sneak its way in.

Energy and You: What you can do to lessen your Mist-Footprint

Energy Profession Mechanic

Energy is a hot topic in some circles. Some people hate it, others love it, some think it doesn’t matter and others make it their life’s mission to glorify it. Personally, I like energy. It is an old mechanic, but it does keep the class from being a Warrior or Guardian rip-off.

There is a raging debate over what “Energy Management” should mean. For some, it means you get three skills and then have to swap recharge. For others, it’s twenty-three skills. Where is the balance point? I honestly do not know.

Mechanics like this have been a part of games for a long time and have caused massive problems for developers (Warcraft Warrior-Rage anyone?). It was a ballsy decision to go with, and I hope they find a great balancing point for Effect/Energy.

My take on energy is that we should baseline at 100, not 50. Everyone else starts combat with all their CDs up and ready to go, and why shouldn’t we? In response to this change, invoking a new legend should add 50 energy from wherever we are at, not set energy to 50.

How would this effect Revenant gameplay? Well, for starters, it would give Thieves and Mesmers a reason to reconsider resetting the fight, a tactic that as of right now, is completely in their favor and has almost no counter play against.

Admittedly, this is some of the ‘gasming I mentioned earlier, but it would be fun to see! I do know however, this would require a massive energy system overhaul which most likely will not happen this close to launch. If it did though, this would also make some of the higher energy cost/upkeep skills not hurt so much in their use during battle.

Legend Swapping and You: Carry your friends into battle!

Legend Swapping Profession Mechanic

We currently have two amazing professions that flip the Weapon Skill Bar like mad if played well and those two professions have a high payout for high skilled players. The Revenant takes this and twists it by entering new territory: flipping the Utility Skill Bar.

This flipping effect, while not new to veteran players of GW2, has not been applied in this type of situation before. Coming from a Guardian, I have got to tell you, it is a hell of a head trip. I was first put off by this, like many, because the lack of selectable utilities really worried me, and still does in some small part.

However it makes moving forward with the profession a unique challenge and it also, in time, will give us some of the best utility skills out there.

Instead of worrying about a bunch of skills no one hardly uses (Hollow Ground/Tomes <Insert your chosen profession’s least used utilities here>), we can focus our feedback on a very narrow set of skills, meaning that our skills will become refined faster than similar utilities from other professions.

Sunrise, and the two kitten years it took RNG to give me Dawn.

Condi Clears and heals pouring out of every button push

So the end finally comes to my Guardian of 3 years… My one and Only lv 80 Toon.

/salutewithhonor

I have a massive feedback post I have been working on for some time now… It’s some 8k words and still growing…

I hope to have it done tomorrow ,

I get sad every time I log in… I always to try log into my Rev, just to see.

I miss my Revenant so much…

T,T

You sir, are not interested in having fun so there is no point in trying to convince you to have any.

Spirit Weapons… used to be invulnerable… and used to do about twice their current damage and had a normal auto attack speed that we use on our auto’s.

Then… the hammer dropped… and that was that.

If you want to fix them Spirit Weapons, my suggestion would be to let the CD for the Spirit Weapon start as soon as you summon it. This would give you a permanent sword, and a much easier accessible to the other weapons with only minor CDs between uses…

But hey, I’ve only been saying this for 3 years now…

But Mesmer Phantasms are ok.

Farzo.8410:

ArenaNet should rather remove, than add, the speed increase utilities and traits from certain professions.

It just became a “power creep” thing which got out of hand because people wanted it.

Remove it and make swiftness a thing again.

I love your quote picture XD

Also, I agree with you, the passive movement speed traits should just get removed.