Guild Wars 2

ZilentNight.5089:

This is a great idea IMO.
They had something similar in GW1 where Zaishen’s would reward you with extra gold for doing specific missions, dungeons. Their quest would change daily and rewarded players who were willing to vary their play style.

I would love to see a Zhaithen style quest, uhmumm"clears throast"…i mean event system implemented.
Also did Nicholas have any kids who wanted to continue his legacy or we are out of luck there? =P

Just to clarify, this new system doesn’t have anything to do with the Zaishen quest more than the dailies do currently. All they’re achieving with removing Keg Brawl is making it not playable for potentially large periods of time for absolutely no reason at all.

But uhm, about Nicholas, I think you can visit his grave somewhere. Ebonhawke, mayhaps?

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Yes, because we need “red resign” so people can grind achievements.

No No and No

Do you even play these things lol? And it was already pointed out, it’d be a private instance, obviously it would be in their best interest to not allow people to boost points. But it’s not like it kitteng matters because that’s all people do now anyway. The benefit to this would be so people who enjoy these games can actually kittening play.

Even though it seems like you didn’t actually read my post, the fact remains, if they actually do the change mentioned in the OP, it will do absolutely nothing for Keg Brawl. It’ll just be admitting that they have no intentions of ever supporting it further than an excuse to give people 200 achievements points. And they won’t even briefly explain why lol

And this is somehow fixed by limiting the amount of time people have to earn achievements and/or play the game. There’s already threads about how the temporal nature of the living story mini games have encouraged achievement farming attitudes.

I really dislike when people point out how Keg Brawl is in a poor state. So was SPvP before it got custom arenas, spectator mode, far stronger tournament support, more maps, and bigger incentives to participate in. Keg Brawl hasn’t gotten an actual game play update since like late October, early November (and that was to semi-fix-but-not-really a completely broken exploit). The title was bugged for 6 months, Guardians can still have aegis from Virtue of Courage active in the match… people can leave the Arena at all, which I can’t even fathom why that’s not corrected…

We won’t know if Keg Brawl had the potential of being a worthwhile mini game to participate in if they didn’t put any effort whatsoever in making it playable. You’d think if one developer was in charge of Keg Brawl for 11 months, he’d at the very least be able to fix some of the trivial issues that’re plaguing the game type. How hard can it be to throw in an invisible wall? They’re all over the place in GW1 (lol).

And on top of all this, they’re going to make it unplayable to those that do enjoy it for potentially extended periods of time, all while not providing the most basic social tools like being able to play with your friends (which was one of the core ideologies this game was supposedly built on) or giving any reasoning for anything that’s happened or hasn’t happened all year that pertains to Keg Brawl and mini games like it? Awesome.

I’m still pretty kitten ed they’d really just throw keg brawl in a lineup with all the other other activities that are going to be cycled out of the game. :/ They were supposed to have 30 permanent activities at launch. I don’t understand why they feel no need to explain to anyone of reasoning behind what they’re doing. This is absolutely stupid, and they’re really taking away all the things I like about this game.

…? There’s a free portal to Hoelbrak in Lion’s Arch.

Zaxares.5419:

On the plus side, it would be really nice if we could enter a Keg Brawl match from LA without having to travel to Hoelbrak each time.

I actually like the idea of there being more than only one city with people in it. Keg Brawl being in Lion’s Arch would only discourage that further.

I’m going to assume that’s what it means, which means we’ll likely never see automated tournaments, social tools like private or custom matches, leader boards, or anything that gives competitive PvP-type games value outside of fun. Cause I’m kitten sure this company’s not in the business of producing fun anymore. Oh well.

“Both Captain’s Council candidates have promised to introduce a new rotation of exciting competitions each day. The initial rotation includes the well-loved Sanctum Sprint, Keg Brawl, Southsun Survival, and Crab Toss.” Does this mean Keg Brawl is about to be put on a rotation of temporary mini-games, as opposed to its current permanently playable position in Hoelbrak?

Khal Drogo.9631:

Serelisk.6573:

Lol, are you actually saying that the people who want to play the game the way it was designed to be played are griefers?

Anet devs should not feel entitled to plaudits when they produce POS mini games like Keg Brawl and played only by 1% the 1337 Pvpers and not expect their mini game to be achievement farmed. Thats right 1% of the 1337ists not the general population.

Anet should release the number of players of playing Keg Brawl during its peak time on their website to settle the matter objectively.

Next thing you know QQs about the Slayer achieves, followed by daily achieves, almost every achieve.

And you don’t think this has anything to do with the fact that it’s an unsupported game type? That it has zero social tools and is now plagued with problems that are objectively terrible for newer players (i.e Lobbing)? You cannot make an argument that Keg Brawl is a bad mini-game while comparing it to the rest of the game when there’s clear inconsistencies of content that Keg Brawl has/does not have with the rest of the game, outside of the game play itself.

And even if 1% of the player base actually truly enjoy it, does their small #‘s means you have every right to spoil their fun by breaking the game? There’s no way you’re going to justify any of that, lol.

Zaxares.5419:

And what do they do after that? Just pass kegs to each other repeatedly?

Pretty much.

Zaxares.5419:

Serelisk.6573:

This has actually completely broken Keg Brawl. You now have more than half the players of any full match of Keg Brawl leaving the arena to farm achievement points. It’s disgusting.

Uhh, I haven’t been in Keg Brawl for months now, but what exactly are you talking about? How does one “leave the arena”?

Just hop the fence.

Paulytnz.7619:

All I can say is:

1 – You can block chat rather than hope for a system that “allows you to kick people out of the game”.

2 – Hate the game or the way it’s made not the players….ask why some of these achievements are put into the game when Anet should surely know it will cause issues like this.

3 – Despite their best efforts griefing exists in this game – via any new minigame that comes in when players can simply do the BEST that they can to ANNOY other players and stop them from earning certain achievements. They can then turn around and simply say “Anet want’s us to play this game this way!”

Lol, are you actually saying that the people who want to play the game the way it was designed to be played are griefers?

Wing Leigh.3795:

When players run out of things to do, they try to become entitled to believe they are the best. Wearing Obsidian Armor and Glowing White gloves in GW1 meant you spent hundreds of plat for the same gear, and people did it constantly while complaining. People did this for some sense of “Time Sinker” and something to do while waiting for their next fix of content/ lore or new gear to farm.

Finding yourself turned off by other people’s opinion is pure bandwagon. If someone complains that a boss event I did was boring, I say “Not to me” and continue on.

People find themselves searching for the next thing to do, and the pessimistic attitude may be the only thing that stops them from doing much more negative things, such as spamming, flipping in the auction house, and generally stopping playing. Some people need to complain about everything, who are you to stop them?

This whole thread seems to be revolved around the fact that YOU care about what OTHER people say on the internet. Do not let your opinion be influenced by others. That is all I can really say.

As far as Keg Brawl is concerned, it’s actually in a very practical sense getting in the way of others’ enjoyment by breaking or denying gameplay.

Mustafa.7684:

unfortunetly obtaining achievement is a wy to showing one’s dedications towards the game. If you keep on doing things mindless you wil burn your self out.

Yes some achievement are soooo dull thakittens better to get help then actually do them by your self.

to a certain extent you are right but to others you are not. For example the keg brawler, costume and the drinking games are soo poorley thought out since not many do this kind of cntent and that it would be easier to get a friend to assist.

also now they provided more motivation into obtaining achievement oints then why stop us in doing them.

You’re wrong. They’re not poorly thought out mini games at all. I made a guild out of people who enjoy Keg Brawl, so whatever point you tried to make is moot. The fact of the matter is that people are coming in and spoiling the enjoyment of others by exploiting or otherwise playing the game in a way it was NOT intended to be played.

This has actually completely broken Keg Brawl. You now have more than half the players of any full match of Keg Brawl leaving the arena to farm achievement points. It’s disgusting.

skullmount.1758:

Serelisk.6573:

skullmount.1758:

Well I didn’t get put in a pvp map last night. I did however keep getting put into a match where there were probably at least a hundred kegs in the middle of the map. Even after the match was completed, it did it again. When we spawned and the first barrel was launched, all hundred or so spawned at once and came down (I think only the starting one launched from the chute though). Can’t tell if someone in the map was hacking or anything, the other people seemed content with it though. Once I got my keg fumble daily I left, cause it seemed like it wasn’t supposed to be doing that. Can post a pic of it later if needed (either with or without the players/teams popup).

They disabled Keg brawl because of that bug. It’s safe to say they’re well aware of it.

I figure it was cause of the one people above were talking about. It was weird having a giant field of kegs. It made the matches (I think I stayed for 3) really quick, even though some were padding their interception/fumble/etc. counts.

Nah, the issue above is because they disabled Keg Brawl, so everyone just gets re-routed to SPvP.

And yeah, tons of people showed up to farm for achievey pts. :/

skullmount.1758:

Well I didn’t get put in a pvp map last night. I did however keep getting put into a match where there were probably at least a hundred kegs in the middle of the map. Even after the match was completed, it did it again. When we spawned and the first barrel was launched, all hundred or so spawned at once and came down (I think only the starting one launched from the chute though). Can’t tell if someone in the map was hacking or anything, the other people seemed content with it though. Once I got my keg fumble daily I left, cause it seemed like it wasn’t supposed to be doing that. Can post a pic of it later if needed (either with or without the players/teams popup).

They disabled Keg brawl because of that bug. It’s safe to say they’re well aware of it.

Don’t let that slow you down! You have more and different achievement points to farm in the meantime! Plus, this means those pesky trolls who want to play Keg Brawl normally can’t interrupt your farming!

You’d think, but they have a habit of explaining how hard bugs are to fix in the game they made on a proprietary engine. Either they’re incompetent, or even the most basic UI interactions is the most complex thingz ever. And I will not accept any gray areas in my conclusion.

Dave.1905:

hopefully they fix this, the game is unplayable atm

They didn’t just not add the other 29 Activities they promised at launch. They got rid of the only one that did make it… lol fun

LOL, Keg brawl now sends you to PvP everyone. They took Keg Brawl out back and shot it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they just let this slide. It’s not like they care about producing any unadulterated fun elements of the game. They probably intentionally put this in to help the people who are trying to farm for the title and tell people like me who enjoy Keg Brawl to go kitten off. You can easily rationalize this for ArenaNet by stating the amount of people who don’t actually go to Keg Brawl to play Keg Brawl. And it doesn’t have anything to do with them not supporting the game type post-launch either, if that’s what you were thinking.

“Because of the awesome game play initiatives of one of our 4 living story development teams, new life has been breathed into Keg Brawl and the revitalized sport has been bustling with activity since our July 23rd Update: Cutthroat Politics!”

I should clarify that ArenaNet didn’t actually say the above quote.

If I could try and make an analogy: it’s like attending a public book club, but the more you go there, the more and more people at the events stop reading the books the group picked and instead watch the movie.

It wasn’t a problem before, where only a few people sit off in the corner and watch the movie of the book. Because you can still carry on with your discussion about the unique elements of the book and the message of the author or whatever.

But now I come into my book club and no one except me has read the book 19 out of the 20 times I attend, so I cannot enjoy discussion about the book, nor can I meet people who enjoy discussing the book. This turns away people who enjoy discussing the book as opposed to the movie.

So if I try to host a private book club, I won’t have a pool of book-readers to enlist. I will have to keep going to the Remodeled Book Club hoping that there’s SOMEONE who’s actually there to talk about the book, and then inviting them to my private book club.

Seems like a really kittenty way to operate a public book club, huh? lol, idk why I went off on this strange tangent, but I’m sticking to this analogy until someone can point out my bull kitten.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Serelisk.6573:

yeah, haha, I saw it in your sig. I responded in an edit, but it looks like at least they’ve acknowledged and plan to put in a grouping/lobby system for activities.

It still won’t fix the issue of farmers, though, unfortunately.

hmm looking on the bright side, at least we can play with friends if they made game rooms browsers or allow us to make private temporary rooms (a dungeon instance that accommodates more people) to play with friends.

them farmers can farm together with their friends too.

I guess, except it defeats the purpose of the achievement points and the title. It’s accommodating farmers and I don’t like it. But if it’s the best they can do, I’ll take it, because it’s infinitely better than getting spam reported every time I try to play my favorite non-combat activities in the game.

+1

Keg Brawl is an absolute train wreck right now, with tons of farmers, and if they’re not farmers, they’re lobbers. It’d be nice to take the few people I do meet who actually want to play the game, go to a private match and bash each others faces in with a barrel of ale.

yeah, haha, I saw it in your sig. I responded in an edit, but it looks like at least they’ve acknowledged and plan to put in a grouping/lobby system for activities.

It still won’t fix the issue of farmers, though, unfortunately.

I never saw that post o_o I definitely want to play mini games with friends! ><

Edit: Also, apparently the Dev that you quoted at the end of that thread does. Hoping that’s out quickly, it’s at least a bandage to the problem.

Still won’t make a thriving Keg Brawl atmosphere though if the farming continues in random matches where you’re allowed achievement points.

TL;DR: complaints about how farmers are ruining Keg Brawl after the achievement.

Keg Brawl has always had a host of issues that prevents it from being a very successful mini game. To name a few:

>Lobbing
>Cannot guarantee getting into a match with your friends (note: or people who wish to play the game normally)
>No leader boards of any kind

But the worst offender, and possibly a result of all these things, is that 95% (rough estimate) of the people who enter Keg Brawl now do so only for the achievement points. They come in, don’t actually play the game, and instead use (what I consider to be) an exploit where they just pass the keg to each other or steal it from one another to earn points.

Not only that, they feel entitled to it. Like it’s their God given right to sit there and deny others enjoyment out of the activity… I’ve been called a griefer, a leecher for some reason…, heck, I’ve even been reported for trying to play the game normally!

This patch has given people even more incentive to come ruin the games. It used to be a semi-issue, where I could join a match. And maybe there would only be 2, 3, or 4 people way away from the arena farming, and I could potentially enjoy 3v3 at the very least. Alternatively, I could easily spoil their achievement farming and get them to play normally.

But now it’s almost every game I join where there’s 10 people in game, including myself, and 9 of them are farming for achievement points. Keg Brawl has become next to unplayable.

Please do something about this, Anet. :/

what was the emberglow reskin? o.o

I’m pretty sure I posted all of these already in the thread somewhere, so I’m just gonna put this here…

Edit: Update to the roster. :-)

ColinJohanson.2394:

I’d force the dev team to implement the sandwichmancer profession, and then spend the rest of the money making it really imbalanced so I can win the $$$ back in PvP tournaments.

This made me smile.

Vayne.8563:

There are minigames in some of the Living stories too. Why aren’t they permanent? Why does no one play keg brawl except on days that it’s part of the daily.

They’ve had crab toss and dragon ball and mini games for Christmas and PvP for Christmas and halloween.

I’m not sure what the complaining is about? That we don’t have a minigame that people would have long since stopped caring about?

There’s plenty of content for people who like mini games with more around the corner.

That’s is a pretty insulting argument to make. I’ll give you the personal reason why I’m pretty kitten ed about this whole thing, because I refuse to be broad stroked by your image of “people who like mini games”…

The only mini game they have currently which I’ve spent more than my fair share of time playing is completely unsupported. It got two updates way back in the beginning of fall that didn’t fix the main issue that was there before, the one being a completely game breaking mechanic where you can score from any spot in the arena with minimal amounts of practice. It makes the game almost unplayable when you have several players doing this; the only reprieve being the small amount of thrill there is to beat someone repeatedly using a broken mechanic through conventional means. But it can’t be fun for a new player who has zero chance of even learning the kitten game if the keg sails high over their head every 12 seconds. And it’s not fun for me to have to deal with that kind of game play because there’s absolutely no way the game was meant to be played like that. arguably 8/10 skills available through all of keg brawl become absolutely irrelevant.

Furthermore, there’s no way to enjoy this socially without jumping through amazingly impossible hoops and barriers. There’s no leader boards or ladders, ranks, one title that was bugged for 5 months, there’s no way to even guarantee you’ll get into the same match as your friends… there’s no custom matches or reward tokens/cosmetic gear (part of the promise that disappeared with the other supposed 29 activities) Source

And it’s been 10 months. Sure, there were holiday activities, and I’m not mad that they’re not in the game. They’re seasonal, it makes sense. I don’t expect to be playing Snowball fights in May. But when I hear a crier every time I’m in Divinity’s Reach saying to try Mina’s Target shootout or go participate in Bar Brawl, you can imagine it being a little upsetting that it’s not possible and I fear may never be possible with each passing day that they don’t even acknowledge its existence.

Updated Moa Racing in OP

I, for the life of me, can’t find anything in the Grove. This seems to be just an entirely underdeveloped city. There’s areas that people have gotten to that are named and in proximity, like the docks in Rata Sum, but aren’t actually part of the city yet. Anyone have any guesses ><?

Onshidesigns.1069:

Jousting mini game.

Dear lord, thank you. I need to go find this. Will upload in a sec.

Eliesume.1687:

I don’t care if it was a planned effort, but the DB/FA 2v1 TC speed flip of all of TCBL map (except garry) in less than 45 mins just right now was an great offense. Hats off. We had to squeeze forces out of other maps to now reorganize TCBL.

We will get them back, and next time we’ll be quicker.

Just happened to FA BL too. This stuff is contagious. lol

We’re also home to GW2’s finest and most elite Keg brawl guild

(Even though it’s a cross server activity, lol)

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I like mini-games. =) They are a nice change of pace, which is partly I like holidays so much….more mini games!

Agreed.

On a more recent note, I don’t really like Crab Toss all that much x.x Meh, it’s alright, but not nearly as amazing as Keg Brawl.

Serelisk – Level 80 Necromancer.

Head – Starter Necromancer’s Wraith Masque
Shoulders – N/A
Chest – Light Vigil
Pants – Tier 1 Human Cultural Researcher’s
Shoes – Light Exotic Karma
Gloves – Stately

Staff : Deathwish

Dyes: Ebony, Tarnished Silver, Autumn

I love this because it’s a very simplistic look and runs in solid contrast with a lot of common themes in the game, especially among high level players.

Edit: He blinked the first time, lol

Any statue of Jora from GW1 Eotn.

Keg Brawl, and WvW.

Magnetron.5823:

Strange that no one mentioned me yet.

Some things go without mentioning, duh.

Eh, it’s rarely better on off days. I really wish they would make private servers available, or have a some kind of tournament system like SPvP. But that’s probably asking too much considering it took ArenaNet 7 months to get that in at all. :/

It’s on Lake Mourn, the western icy clearing in Hoelbrak. Speak to the guy with the two flags. It’s pretty obvious once you find it :P

Pretty much. I used most of that to dispel the ridiculous arguments people come up for it.

Apparently it’s only temporary, so I’m taking it off the list. :/

lol… SUREBRO, LEMME JUST INVITE YOU!

To clarify the actions of said players; when the match starts, they’ll try to be the first to grab the keg that spawns in the middle. Once they do, they’ll take their little group outside of the Arena by going south over the fence really easily (which is supposedly supposed to keep players in right? But whatever.). There’s typically anwhere from 3-6 of these players who will just leave the match without actually leaving the game, and they’ll farm the achievements needed to get the Kegmaster title or the 204 Achievements points available there.

I’ll start by pointing out that there’s a ton of problems with Keg Brawl, from basic movement bugs to game breaking mechanics, all of which I have or intend to bring up in bugs and suggestion forums respectively so I won’t bring up here. But there’s no larger problem in the game than the fact that (apparently) the overwhelming majority of people in a Keg Brawl game are not willing to play the actual game. Instead, 9/10 times I join a match, I find myself in the middle with only 2 or 3 other people, even though the match is full to capacity at 10/10 players.

I shouldn’t have to convince anyone of the problem here, so why should people who have no intention of playing the game be allowed to pursue that title in this fashion? In-fact, the mechanics of the game almost cater to it. Once they leave the Arena with the keg, another one spawns in the center, leaving the offenders feeling justified that they’re not spoiling anyone else’s fun, when in-fact, they are.

Why am I irritated by this? Because I’m one of the few people who actually enjoy Keg Brawl! I enjoy it enough to stick with it through a lot of the problems, but if I can’t play Keg Brawl, then there’s no point in me thinking this is ever going to be something I can come back to. They didn’t put a 10 player maximum because they actually expected there to be a bunch of farmers and only really wanted matches of 2v2 or 1v2… it’s sickening to me to know that I won’t be able to play against 3 or 4 or 5 other players and employ teamwork between 3 or 4 or 5 other players as well because people who’re not playing to play

Keg Brawl and WvW are the only things I expressly like in and of themselves. Things that I enjoy spending time in because they’re fun. I easily have some 400+ hours in Keg Brawl (likely closer to 500 or 600), and got the title legitimately, to a point of my own personal pride. Have all those hours spent been amazing? No. But enough of them have that I was able to deal. But now it’s just ridiculous.

“Why don’t you just go to a different game?”

1.) Because there’s no way to guarantee I’ll be put in a different match. Actually, from my experience, it seems once the you’ve been placed into a match, it will default you to that match as long as it can until it’s full in which case I’d obviously get placed in a different match.
1.b.) There’s actually times that I’ve counted 20 plus tries trying to get into a match with my friends (after being placed in a match I didn’t want to be in of course) who I specifically partied up with hoping it would have a better chance of placing me in their game, but no, it just kept me in the same one. This is a waste of my time. I don’t play Keg Brawl to click leave and reenter ad nauseum… that’s not fun to me.

2.) Why should I have to leave when they’re the ones who aren’t playing the game?! Why should I leave when I’m the one who’s having their fun spoiled by players who don’t want to play this game?… especially when I do! They’re no different than people who bot (go afk with some program or auto-cast that keeps them from being an inactive player) for wins, and we certainly don’t want those people in these games either, right?

“But Kegmaster is takes too long!”

How does that justify spoiling someone else’s fun? Furthermore, it is completely reasonable that Kegmaster would take as long as it does, because it’s only intended for those who can actually tolerate its game play. It’s for those people that like it!… Who like it enough to spend hundreds of hours playing it. It’s a reward for people who’ve distinguished themselves as a Keg Brawl player, who will play daily because it’s one of the things keeping them playing GW2 at all. So I don’t care (and ArenaNet shouldn’t either) if it takes too long for people who don’t actually like playing Keg Brawl. By definition, you do not deserve it.

I truly want to keep playing Keg Brawl because I like it, but it seems like more and more people are clogging up the matches with their parasitic visions of prestige. In closing, I really really wish that ArenaNet would do something about this soon cause no one should have to get frustrated at trying to enjoy something in this game that other players are preventing by the design of the game type.