Guild Wars 2

Dramen Maidria.1034:

Condition builds usually also depend on a significant amount of their damage from conditions applied by critical hits, so precision actually does matter.

Not all classes or specs. I.e. thieves doesn’t care of power or precision in condi builds.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

SilverWF.4789:

Before that (long time ago) we have Omnomberry food, with 66% on crit to steal health.
And it was without cooldown. So, you was able to high up your crit rate and steal health nearly every 2nd hit and it was a huge compensation against retaliation. Not 100% but really huge.
But then they fixed that food and it has 2 sec cooldown. But they are not fixed Retaliation!
Give us our heal-on-hit food back! That trait “heal if kit equipped” or 150 HP/sec this is just a spit on the face!

Or remove AOE-Retaliation from combo-effects.

It has a 1 second cooldown. The reason why is that spammable skills that hit dozens of times per second, or for example engie FT, you could keep yourself at full health permanently. Working as intended.

Before it was 2 sec. Anyway, 1 sec cooldown – too many. Because Retaliation do NOT have any cooldowns and with #1 of FT or with any of grenade kit skills you are literally killing yourself in a few seconds.
“working as intended” was before, when Omnomberry food was without cooldowns. Even in this case you wasn’t “at full HP”. Your crit.rate somewhere at 70-80%, also food has a 66% chance to steal life. Basically, there is every 2nd hit with life steal.
Retaliation hits you at the EVERY hit: crit or not, or even glanced – doesn’t matter.

So, there is a few options to fix retaliation:
1. Internal cooldown 1 sec for the same target. This will be best solution.
2. Retaliation will be affected by overall armor and buffs (Protection and anything else)
3. Retaliation will be scaled from Condition damage, not from Power
4. Retaliation will return 10% of incoming damage (after armor and damage reduction buffs), not fix value.
5. Remove AOE-Retaliation (and/or Light aura) from Light field+Blast finisher combo. This combo will give now Protection. AOE retaliation will still exist on skills only.

What you prefer?

There is no way to apply confusion to multiply people. Basically, there is no AOE-confusion.
Also, you can cleanse confusion from yourself easily but you can’t cleanse retaliation from the entire enemy zerg.
Learn the game before post.

Here is my thread about reataliation: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Retaliation-once-per-sec/first

Skeletor.9360:

Really the low HP is the main problem with thieves…not too many classes get accidentally killed but thieves do all the time. Is fun to shoot thieves with my warrior and watch them go from full to dead in one shot.

Ha
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maybe you need to use stealth and some traits related on stealth, huh?

Selver.1307:

Lol. 50% in one second? Try downed instantly From 100% after a magnet pull from a power engi. When I can do that from stealth or in the first seconds of a fight, let me know.

You can avoid magnet pull – it has 1 sec casttime and pretty visible “magnet” lines to you.
You never avoid Shadowstep+CnD+Steal+BS combo, because it instant and has 2 times bigger range.

Dayra.7405:

SilverWF.4789:

Skeletor.9360:

See the attached picture

Nah, this is not WvW, this is PvD

Is there a difference anymore?

in the prime-time

Doomdesire.9365:

Thief in it’s current state is such kitten it’s not worth playing unless your only purpose is to troll people with P/D or decap. It’s really annoying when you have such a large majority of players complain about a noob stomp class while ignoring the glaringly OP classes even the most seasoned players have trouble against (I’m looking at you, condition engi, PU mesmer and celery ele).

Sure, hit someone for 50% HP in 1st second of fight and then going to stealth – this is so poor, wondering why someone still playing Thieves?!
Thieves complaints on conditions – just LOL.

Slcrisis.6930:

SilverWF.4789:

Bullsh… If some thieves playing like warriors – straightfoward – so, sure
But if thief playing like thief – this is nearly unkillable beast

Lmao your posts on thieves gives me a good chuckle.

So basically, we’re meant to not play like thieves and eat damage. Got it. And because good thief players can handle themselves against other classes and not stand there to die in two hits, thieves are just OP entirely. Solid argument there. In another thread you didn’t even know thieves could stack might, I’m pretty sure you’re trolling or just ignorant…or just a serious case of l2p.

Thieves ARE squishy, they make up for it with big damage. And you’re pulling your “thieves don’t die” theory from a youtube video, where people cut out losing fights…and in case you didn’t notice, mango knew when to back off and when to re-enter the fight, he didn’t just run in guns blazing and one shot everyone.

There are cheese builds on every class and you’re never going to win every fight. Accept that maybe some thieves are actually capable of outplaying you, not because they’re OP or omg invis4eva noobs. Jeez, why can’t people lose with some dignity these days.

So, you didn’t read previous post, right?
You are ashamed yourself then.

Before that (long time ago) we have Omnomberry food, with 66% on crit to steal health.
And it was without cooldown. So, you was able to high up your crit rate and steal health nearly every 2nd hit and it was a huge compensation against retaliation. Not 100% but really huge.
But then they fixed that food and it has 2 sec cooldown. But they are not fixed Retaliation!
Give us our heal-on-hit food back! That trait "heal if kit equipped" or 150 HP/sec this is just a spit on the face!

Or remove AOE-Retaliation from combo-effects.

Zaklex.6308:

You do realize they want people to buy the 25 use Upgrade Extractor, right? Granted, that only reduces the price per use from 250 to 200, but that’s the intention.

200? they need to reduce it down to 50 – that’s a real price.

Skeletor.9360:

See the attached picture

Nah, this is not WvW, this is PvD

McWolfy.5924:

SilverWF.4789:

XacTactX.6709:

once you have 1400 wxp rank it doesnt matter because you have everything.

What is someone not? Are you suggesting mindlessly grind EOTM?

I never grinded eotm. Played there max 10 hours. You dont need that just a good, organized wvw team and a good build for your character

So, another option, 2 years of WvW-gind, this is faaaaaaaar better, okay.

Thief moaning on Rangers? Nice

Green arrows mostly. Also, you both are Asuras. ><

XacTactX.6709:

once you have 1400 wxp rank it doesnt matter because you have everything.

What is someone not? Are you suggesting mindlessly grind EOTM?

In comparison with Engineers, Guardians do not have any problems with Retaliation.

So, as it stated, at the EU megaserver this temple is bugged. I’m pretty sure in this.
because it in the “The Temple’s power has been interrupted” stage 2 days already (maybe more)
At this stage there must be event “Prevent risen from retaking the temple” but it is not starting. 2 days in the row nothing happening: no any risens around – elementals only.

Please, check this

This is maybe easiest JP in game, dunno what OP are talking about...

Bugabuga.9721:

Khisanth.2948:

Haven’t tried using any of mine yet but what tier of things where you using them to harvest?

All tiers — mithril and oricalcum and copper and iron, green wood logs to ancient, from carrots and onions to ghost pepper — I always get a tiny snowflake (if I get one)

The same here

Olba.5376:

The extractor is only supposed to be used on items which you cannot salvage.

And as you note, that means gear bought with Karma or Ascended/Legendary gear. The former case (karma armor) has been pretty much made moot due to the Wardrobe and Soldier’s gear being available outside of karma/dungeons.

As for Ascended: It’s the freaking endgame gear, you’re not supposed to be swapping stuff in and out.

In fact, it’s not. You are wrong here.

What a reason to extract something from karma gear if I can buy this runes nearly for nothing? What a reason to extract something from Acc gear if I can just buy new upgrades and install it?

Wow, where is this stated? In the EULA? I can do everything what I want with my gear.

Axel.4018:

be getting owned by people who actually know what they’re doing

Excuse me, but you are didn’t? You are playing for some class and you are still didn’t know what you are doing? O.o
WvW can give a fun to everyone: if you have a lot of friends (or big WvW-guild) you can get a lot of interesting sieges every day.
If you are soloer, so you can just a roam and get a lot of interesting 1vs1/2/3 fights every day too.

But, in the WvW more from sandbox and less – from teampark. There is no alarms, like “go there, do this and you’ll get a fun!”. Not, you need to lurk enemies, decide for yourself what to do, attack someone or not, etc.
Also, you need to change your gear and or spec, based on your preferably activity, optimizing yourself (!) in the fights with the live enemies, not with dumb monsters.

I would like to see possibility to separate tabs
For example: main tab for common chat and a separate - for combat.

Hi there!
As it’s stated, price of this item is incredible high. But not “just high”, but high in comparison with profit what it can give to me.
Ok, I’ll explain.
This item price is 250 gems. I can exchange 28-30 gold for 250 gems. Or, if I’m buying gems directly, I can sell my 250 gems for 48-50 gold. (All just checked in current exchange values)
Also, what a reason to use Upgrade extractor? If I want to save my item and upgrades both. Or if I want to extract upgrades from some kind “unsalvagable” items, like karma items, etc.

What is most expensive items? Legendaries sure. But, if I want to swap upgrades I can just install new, so previous will be lost.
What is most expensive upgrades?
Weapon sigils: Generosity (80+ gold), Karka Slaying (28+ gold) and Bursting (15+ gold)
Armor runes: Exuberance (13+ gold)
Infusions: +14 per 928 gold, +13 per 450 gold, +12 per 200 gold and so on

As we can see, there is only 2 upgrades what is worth to buy Upgrade extractor for weapons, absolutely not worth for armor and has a huge profit to extract infusions. But, so big agony resistance usually installed in the special PVE-gear, so I’m doubt it will be need to extract some when.

So, there is nearly no profits from buying Upgrade Extracor. If you will lower it’s price – you’ll get a far more sales of this item.
I’ll suggest the new price of 100 or even 50 gems for extractor.

Thanks.

also, some genius with obvious advices about "strip boos" maybe will be interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmePzrl-jAs

Dunno who is this, just found it yesterday occasionally.
Just check how long time he have buffs (and Retaliation sure) and how long he have conditions. Also check this at his targets, when he have target selected - most of time he didn’t.
I’ve found, what there is 100% uptime of main buffs and ~70% of Retaliation. And something like 15% of conditions uptime.

Also, when you are saying about "just stop attack" - you are probably never played grenadier in zergs.
Most of the time Engis are at 1000 and more range from main impact site, and due to grenades fly speed it can be up to 3 packs of grenades in the air simultaneously.
So, when I’ll being hit by retaliation in the 1st time - 3 more omg-hits are still on the way and ifs it wouldn’t kill me but leave me with lol-HP.

"Retaliation returns a small amount of dmg when hit "
This is bulls...
Every hit of Flamethrower hits for 200-300
Retal hits me back for 300-400
small amount, huh?

PaxTheGreatOne.9472:

Boon stripping still is very important and general practise in WvW, to remove stability, protection and retaliation… Necro’s and Mesmers are there for your zergs boon stripping. Well of Suffering, Null field and Sigil of purity would be very beneficial

Good blobs has 100% uptime nearly of all buffs. And yes, Necros are not something specific for only one server – another side has it too. So stop trashtalking about strip boons: it is has 100% uptime.
In 1vs1 situation – yes, it can be visible and avoidable or strippable
When facing just dumb zerg – it’s not a problem too, coz they have no idea about AOE-buffing

Also, about your examples: they are laughtable
WHO will stay in the MS? It is static, low fire rate and pretty predictable. Noone in his mind will stay in the MS AOE field just to kill 1 Elem. Also elems has a tons of selfheal. And damage of MS not instant or semi-instant.
Rangers with Piercing arrow trait? Never seen one: they all prefer X and XIII traits. (If someone not – lol). And ranger who attacking Zerg – seriously? At what server? Wanna come to see that!

Engineers are moving AOE-machine: enemies cannot avoid his damage very well, and it’s not predictable. And not too big. Also, Engi has a very bad times to selfheal, bcs all Retaliation damage coming up in the same moment. It cannot be compared with any another class.
And Engi cannot just stop attacking when Retaliation starts coming: bcs enemies zerg will steamroll him and his allies zerg. Also when Retal will sart coming he is already will lost a half of HP, because of number of attacks and it’s timing.

So stop please this lol-examples with Elems or Rangers – they are not even close to Engineer’s troubles with retaliation.

Predictable, "successful classes" didn’t want to change anything. Also, most of posters didn’t read this thread before posting: make a dumb advice - profit!

So, Retaliation still must be changed.

Haishao.6851:

There are no “successful classes” only successful players.

Are you successful player? If yes, can you spare with us, what class/spec you are playing in zerg fights?

Haishao.6851:

SilverWF.4789:

Sure, let’s all will play thieves and fight 1vs1 only.

Playing a thief wont help you if all you do is mindlessly spam your skills.
Retaliation, and confusion, are effective against the players, not the classes.

I think I need to repeat it one more time, for some special humans:
blobs have stability, speed, might, protection and retaliation 100% of time. What I need to do? Do not attack them? Or roll "successful" classes such as warriors and guardians?

Xenon.4537:

Lets just dumb the game down even more by nerfing this semi-useful boon! In for a penny, in for a pound am i right??? This is Casual Wars 2 after all.

Forget that you can choose to stop attacking.

Forget that you can strip boons with certain skills.

Retal is an offense to my desire to “play how i want” because “play how i want” for some reason always means turning my brain off and winning every fight without trying!

Sure, let’s all will play thieves and fight 1vs1 only.

Aenesthesia.1697:

SilverWF.4789:

Hi there!
How about to make a limit for retaliation? Let it can hit the same target only once per second?
Or let it will be affected by Toughness and Armor
Or let it will scales up from Condition damage (since it ignoring armor, like any another conditions), but not from Power.

Because it really sucks while playing with multi-hit-per-second classes, for example Flamethrower/Grenade Engineer. You are able to literally kill yourself in 2-3 seconds only using your own offensive skills and even not being hit by enemies!

Just look at the boons of the enemy you are attacking and save your grenade barrage for when he doesnt have ret!

If the damage was lower, it would become useless. The other guy also takes damage, you know?

Read whole thread

Why? You’ve made a good example with thief, nice. Because now Retaliation is high efficient against engineers and nearly zero effective against thieves!
This is discrimination.

Also, I’m not playing in TERA or AION, also, do not recommend it to you

Ok, not 20% let it will be 10% - it doesn’t matter, really

Mindless spam? Did you ever seen blobs fights? This is true mindless spam: place light or fire fields then blast!!!!111, spam key 1 untill previous on cooldown. Sooooo smart combos, ok.
All you need is collect Power-Vit-Tou gear - profit!

This army of PVT warriors and guardians are profitable only because they are hitting pretty rare but hard for every hit.
Multi-hit specs bringing the same damage, but with much more hits. Basically, we are doing the same work but with different ways.
Until our enemies pops Retaliation.
So, let everyone will suffer in the same way from Retaliation. Until that - this is discrimination.

Also, to make it absolutely fair, they can remake it: damage of Retaliation will return some % of initial incoming damage.
Because now it pretty stupid: you hitting someone for 100 damage and receiving back 400? And someone who hitting for 9k and more damage will receive back 400 too?

So, let it will return, i.e. 20% of damage.
You hit someone for 100? Ok, take back 20 damage
You crit someone for 10k? No offense boy, but this is your 2k back.

And in this case they can don’t do anything else: no once per sec, nor condition damage etc.

You are probably never was at WvW then

Also, in compensation of "once per sec" they can increase duration of retaliation in 2 times

I dislike new tasks too. Rewards is OK, but tasks - sucks
Before that I was able to complete daily just by doing my usual stuff in the any part of the game. Now I need to do something special: go to another zones, lurking for some special events or monsters, etc. Boring.

Anyway, they need to remake stacking system for conditions
If player have more than 1400+ condition damage - his conditions must have highest priority.
For example, Bleed. If target already have 25 bleed stacks and recieving new stack: if from true conditioner - it will be placed instead of stack from another player. If player not conditioner - his new bleed stack will be ignored and no placed.
Burning. New stack of Burning from high condi player will be placed at first place in the burning ticks queue and will tick 1st. New stacks of burning from low condi players will be placed in to the end of queue

KSIBBQ.8123:

This Zerker meta has to end. It has killed the diversity too long. This game has such a unique build system, and you should truly be able to play how you want. However, unless you have a pre made, then people will kick you. Start building your toon the way you want to!

Hmmm… What if I want to play Zerker, not dumb Condi-builds?

shadaux.5192:

Its not fun doing stuff like this by myself, teamwork content u have to do with randoms, such sense.

Agree
I want be able to kick bad teamplayers from my Toypacoplise instance
This is just kitten if someone start building stuff in random places, or running around and pew-pew and no building completely.

If they wanna learn how to play there – let’s learn somewhere else, I’m not free teacher.

Hi there!
How about to make a limit for retaliation? Let it can hit the same target only once per second?
Or let it will be affected by Toughness and Armor
Or let it will scales up from Condition damage (since it ignoring armor, like any another conditions), but not from Power.

Because it really sucks while playing with multi-hit-per-second classes, for example Flamethrower/Grenade Engineer. You are able to literally kill yourself in 2-3 seconds only using your own offensive skills and even not being hit by enemies!

Someone has a tons of free time...

Removing swords is completely sucks

Let look to the WvW now: it’s really true take’n’lost trains only. Nobody trying to upgrade or defend - it’s not worth.

Guys, did you asked your ISP for help?

I’m from Russia, Voronezh, my broadband speed is 50 mbit/sec, I’m playing at the Piken Square server

My ping with 206.127.159.252 (Piken’s IP) is 50-60. Not the best, but not worst.

Trace route: tracert 206.127.159.252
1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 77.238.130.1
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 85.113.128.42
4 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms xe733.RT.ES.VOZ.RU.retn.net [87.245.243.21]
5 47 ms 46 ms 47 ms et1110-1.RT.EQX.FKT.DE.retn.net [87.245.233.174]
6 47 ms 46 ms 46 ms ae1.BR4.FFT1.alter.net [146.188.112.181]
7 46 ms 46 ms 47 ms xe-3-0-4.XT2.FFT1.ALTER.NET [146.188.14.53]
8 46 ms 46 ms 53 ms ae1.GW8.FFT4.ALTER.NET [149.227.16.54]
9 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms 213.71.135.138
10 50 ms 50 ms 51 ms 206-127-157-86.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.86]
11 51 ms 52 ms 54 ms 206-127-157-102.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.102]
12 50 ms 51 ms 51 ms 206-127-159-252.ncsoft.com [206.127.159.252]

And sometimes (pretty rare) I had lag spikes too, but seems like this is my ISP’s troubles

Exo.2965:

SilverWF.4789:

Exo.2965:

I was enjoing by playing Caithe as a member of legendary Destiny’s Edge.
Don’t you think it was nice to know why were they so good to be able kill the dragons? what skills they were using? what makes them so special? ofcourse i get used to play my own main character but i see no problem by playing with someone else.

For those who don’t like to play all other characters except their own i sujest to be more patient because ANet trying to satisfy all player and everyone has it’s own opinio and thoughts.

It is cool in 1st time
It is competely sucks when you are doing it in 8th time (I have 8 characters) or even more if focused on achievments

8 times ? LOL Why would you do that ? i was completely fine with Caithe gameplay – 1st on LS completing (with 3 diff. char’s) and 2nd – on doing achivements (with 1 character).

Bcs you can’t read.

So, thieves ok, right?
Then, another classes too and Anet must stop changing anything in class/weapon mechanics.

Also, if WvW not mentioned to be 1vs1, they need to ban attackers in WvW if it’s smaller than 50vs50

Am I get your points right?

Zero Day.2594:

Well, my overkill achievement says i did 300k damage.

Oh God, everyone has that achievement – thx to critters running around

Zero Day.2594:

:/ I wonder if people complained about the damage from trebuchets before, like being hit by one.

Treb hits me with lower numbers
Also there is a huge differences with HS

Jayden Ennok.3687:

While Silver is raging here over hs dmg, I noob in wvw with my thief ele. Those two were lvl 80 thieves.

Fire grab: 45 sec cooldown, and cone attack
Dragon’s Tooth has a crazy long prehit time

Heartseeker: instant, ranged, homing, spammable skill
Do you really didn’t see a difference?

And I’m even not talking about: who they was? green arrows in zerk gear?

Exo.2965:

I was enjoing by playing Caithe as a member of legendary Destiny’s Edge.
Don’t you think it was nice to know why were they so good to be able kill the dragons? what skills they were using? what makes them so special? ofcourse i get used to play my own main character but i see no problem by playing with someone else.

For those who don’t like to play all other characters except their own i sujest to be more patient because ANet trying to satisfy all player and everyone has it’s own opinio and thoughts.

It is cool in 1st time
It is competely sucks when you are doing it in 8th time (I have 8 characters) or even more if focused on achievments

I’m pretty sure I’m acting in this zones far batter than all of you.
But this zones are pretty harder than another but rewards are not bigger than in Orr

Also, I’m pretty sure Zerk is only viable option and this is right thing. And if in some part of the game Zerk is not good - this part must be changed to make Zerk viable