Guild Wars 2

Wow man, a champion in a hundred. Totally fan-based game. :/

Eve nerf was in fact a clear lesson for them to not to do that again in fact, since they blowed 100% of the jump to the point they had to do a remake that isnt really cool anyway.

ehtom.5047:

LoL does not balance only for “top” players at all. http://www.reignofgaming.net/tier-lists/competitive-tier-list. Tier 1 has been largely the same forever and guess what in any pro game most if not all the champions will be from that list. Riot even has an “antifun” policy where they nerf things purely because they are not fun to play against.

DotA2 has nerfed huskar/ursa repeatedly despite them being worthless in comp games BECAUSE the community thinks they are op. Also, like LoL, there are about 20 or so heroes at any given time which are pickable in comp games.

Maybe next time argue with facts instead of spreading misinformation.

what does the tier list have to do with anything? I’ve been playing and watching patch notes for more than 2 years and i’ve almost never (and i’m saying almost because i dont remember all the patches) seen unjustified nerfs because of community cry. What was “op” a year ago is still op nowadays, but, guess what: people learns to counter what they cant win (unless its a new champ, in which case its slightly more op for marketing stuff and other reasons its not worth saying in this case).

For example, tryndamere is “op” as a year ago, but people learned to use exhaust to counter him. And Tryndamere just stopped showing in random games.

Um, excuse, but no. LoL balances on top ELO players. And DotA does little to aim to perfect balance.

Removing backstab, deathlotus, heartseeker and pw is the same as remaking the whole thief or removing it from the game. So, sorry man that i have to tell you, but you have to learn to deal with it.

I recommend you to read the about 100 posts that there are about these theme. It should clear all the upcoming discussion.

didnt cross your mind that maybe they are having more trouble, thus taking more time to fix the bugs?

We dont even know why exactly is paid tournaments offline. Bugs happen, things get broken, and you have to fix them. That’s life, specially in MMORPGs, where everything interacts with everything. One little pixel wall you didnt put, and a monster can be exploited.

You can only have patience, there’s not much to do. It’s true that they have some things that still to work on. You don’t have to go too far to see the game is green yet. So you could come back in a few months or stay and play. Not too much choices. I prefer to let them take their time, that’s the way things get done correctly.

So, lets say we nerf backstab because 80% of the community is too noob to counter it, and a little debuff to pistol whip (just giving a couple of random examples).

What’s left for top players with the thief?

It’s """"""""""""""""balanced""""""""""""""""" in low tier fights, and it’s an absolutely noob choice to go thief if you want to go pro. So, basically, going low tier with thief is also noobish because you cant really go far with the class if you’d want to.

I love how people knows how to do things better than the people who studied it.

I’m really proud of what Anet did to deal with that unfair burst of backstab.

I’m pretty cool with the thieves changes.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-October-22-2012 PATCH NOTEEESSSS

I really don’t understand why the auto-kick. Maybe the server collapsed? Why send at least 200.000 to the patch downloading at the same time when you can give a window frame of an hour saying “the server will go down in 60 mins for new patch”

gw2 end-game is like any other MMORPG, if that’s what you wanted to hear, yeah.

Still, A LOT less grind than almost if not all MMORPGS.

i havent read all the thread and i wont. All i’ll say is: We are used to games of 3-8 years of released content, GW2 is just 3 months.

Give it a little time and you’ll have lots of end-game to do.

nice one Derek!

Yeah, i’m playing asura thief and the armor from dungeons arent really WOW like the light ones which are kitten 100% heh. I like TA armor though, i feel like a pimp.

Thief here, everything seems pretty accurate. Shadow shot may seem a liiiittle more of its true range but with all the camera play i can’t really tell.

Everything’s legit, sorry to tell you :P

you’ll find out tomorrow :P

kuroi.5467:

Sirevanac.3178:

but thieves cant go grinding in 80 as any other class, they dont have a naturally aoe skill, like other classes do. You go out of initiative and cant shoot anymore, then the monsters of orr spawn and disappear without you killing even one.

you are very wrong. my guildmate is an 80 thief and we farm together in orr all the time. i have full MF gear, runes, food, luck sigils, and accessories. he routinely outperforms my drops because he hits WAY more enemies than i do. he trolls that shortbow so hard it’s embarrassing. i’m not making any claims on this “best” business. (what kind of metric is this? best at what? farming? dungeons? leveling? and what do you mean by best? fastest? most comfortable/fun? easiest?)

but i can say from personal experience that guardians have a pretty comfortable and easy time (certainly more comfortable than my mesmer) in most PvE situations.

and i can also say this fellow is incorrect about the thief’s lack of AoE.

you run out of initiative, you stop getting kills. With a friend may be cool, but in a 15 person zerg you dont stand a chance against aoe auto-attacks and elemantilsts and things like that.

but thieves cant go grinding in 80 as any other class, they dont have a naturally aoe skill, like other classes do. You go out of initiative and cant shoot anymore, then the monsters of orr spawn and disappear without you killing even one.

Yeah, Guardian is the best. Besides, you are the want-want in a typical random party for dungeons.

Elementalists are also wanted, if i’m not wrong its the best sustained dps in game.

greg.3792:

ok I get the replies.

But what does this mean – is this a FPS instead of a MMO?

i.e. there is no progression, we spend minimal time to get to full stats and then that is it its over?

I guess that makes sense given no subscription.

you still don’t get it. This game is not for hurr-durr grinding. This game is to have fun for the game itself, it’s not another mmorpg. Try took at it as Elder’s Scrolls. You go through the story, and the same time, you learn about your character.

And for the people that want to prize no-life or just people that have tons of time more than others: this is the key of this game. Want a prize? Be good. If you are good, you’ll win, and that’s the only way it should be.

We are too used to a type of game in which to be the best, you have to lose night weekends to go dungeon with your guild, to have in a couple of months the gear to be able to go to the OTHER dungeons where the drop is harder to get, and so on. Guild Wars 2 shows another type of gaming, in which the fun is the priority. The type of fun you get for playing a true role-playing game. If you just compare it to WoW or L2 or whichever you want, you’ll just wont get it.

i felt same as you greg, i’m little by little getting the thing of this game. I’ve played for 10 years mmorpgs and that thing of actually following the story, seeing a Vista or stuff like that is really new. The way dungeons are done, dodging and stuff, i had some bad time getting used to that.

But if you relax your mind and say “oh, look! Those thieves are trying to poison the water! kittenes you are going to get it!”, you’ll have a lot of fun.

They are aware that you have one week to finish it Cont, don’t worry about that :P

I feel like “oh wow wtf’s going on” when i’m not expecting it and it kinda confuses my vision a little for a moment heh

It seems pretty clear to me that the game wants you to just have 2 professions per character. If it was so cheap, everyone would be doing weapons, armor, food, everything for themselves, all the crafting market would be destroyed (even more that how it is now).

It’d be a lot more rewarding if i could see there are other options like “oh, cool, i can only do this because i’m really charming”.

I was alone in front of a veteran and his two mobs in several times there, yeah. Then I rememberd: “oh silly, you are a thief, you can bypass all that”.

Well, your “already” will have to wait 5 more days because they are patching so, no really sense to complain at this moment.

But the thief will never be tanky. You can put some traits and the jewel with some toughness, but your true defense will ALWAYS relay on evading and invisibility.

The very first time i played with a norn guardian, and the first mission that implies killing that giant worm. That was my first impression of “OMG GREAT GAME 15/10”

The best weapon in the game can either be crafted with 300-360 (6-7 dungeons) tokens from a dungeon or crafted for no more than 3g i believe.

Now, in WoW how many dungeons and RAIDS do you need to get the best weapon? A year of raiding you say? Oh…

Well i had my guild “Sapped girls don’t say no”, and we asked if it was cool the name, and they also said no. What’s the problem with the drunk girls being easy!? Am I insulting anyone or lying? I think not to both.

20 and i think the game is kind of green. As any new mmorpg, it has a lot of things to do. Imo, it lacks of endgame stuff. I still enjoy it, but I entered the game with another +-9 friends, all experienced in MMORPG, and almost everyone has returned to play LoL in the last couple of weeks.

What i dont like in sPvP is the randomized team between the 2 teams that were playing before.

I mean, i stomp another team, mostly because they suck, then they put me with them. I’ll just leave, and look for other team.

You want to know for sure where it goes? Guess what, you cant! You guess it, and you go that way. That’s all you can do, that’s what i do. Sometimes i get him, sometimes i dont. Since a lot of thieves go “lolololol pistolwhip/backstab lololol” or just dont play well, you’ll get them. As in any other class, a player who plays pro will give you a bad time, being a thief or an elementalist. I have such a bad time with some elementalists…

Kijimea: that’s true. The first time can get you really off-balance. No argue at that.

If can get thieves after they go invi, you can algo kittening can. Learn to play, god.

Pro tip for people with extra trouble: Make a lvl 1 thief, put invi skills, see where you go when they are killing you. Apply the same criteria.

Well, i talk in my experience. I play cond dmg thief, and i kill the glass cannon after they try to combo me.

If you can negate steath the thief has absolutely any defense at all unless he specs vit also.

I repeat, if you go glass cannon, you can go invi aside from the combo 1 more time, for around 2/3 seconds. And if you see him going invi, you attack the air. That kills him also. Or running if you see him attacking again to avoid another backstab.

Glass cannon backstab dies in a second. If you cant kill him when he failed his combo, i’m sorry to tell you, but you suck =/. Thief doesnt have that much abilities to go stealth, even less if its glass cannon.

If the thief goes invi, i keep spamming autoattack to the air, I guess the direction he went and keep attacking. That puts him in fact, in great disadvantage.

Also, if its in shadow refuge, he cant leave it in some time. Aoe that.

i’ll answer by each point:

-Thief is a dps guy. It was made to deal massive damage. And if you see well, all classes can do massive damage.
-the defensive system of the thief has two ways: thoughness improves STEALTH. Vitality improves dodge. So if the thief dissapears for a long time without using shadow refuge, he’s specced on defense. And it’s their only way to stay alive, that’s their thing.
-ALL classes i think has something to negate 1 finisher AT LEAST. Thief has 2 (if you go right after killing him, stealth will be on cd by the time he wants to use it). Also, the mesmer can go with the same crap as the thief and imo, even more annoying.
-If it has shadow arts (stealth traits), this may be right. But its part of the magic of the thief.
-Same point as above. Remember he’s not a heavy armor guy, he can go down with ease.
-go dagger storm into a group, sure. I’ve been mutilated for that many maaany times. If your groups don’t do that, its you and your fellas are kind of dumb, no offense. Basilisk has cast time, so that cuts many possibilities of its use.
-Heard about warrior? Also, its not about being paranoic, if you se a thief coming your way and dissapear from a sec to another, be ready to turn your camera 180° to counter backstab. I believe there’s a button for that. If the fight of a backstab thief lasts more than 5 secs, he’s in deep trouble, cause of the glass cannon build.

Hope that makes all the points.

i had a great deal getting one expansion of gw1, didnt have money for more. After playing quite a bit, i found it amusing, but still, didnt have money. So i read that gw2 was going to be released, in many years, but it was going to be released. So I waited.

Now a days, i see the pvp of gw1 and kitten if the game wasnt probably going to die in some time, i’d so buy the other expansions :P

Magic find improves the drop quality, not rate. With around 150% in myself, i find when farming orr my loots changing from lots of whites to have a minimum of blue. Also, before MF i almost never found a yellow by killing mobs. With the MF each event in orr generally gives me one.

That’s my experience though.

You dont post this, dude. You dont even cuestion it. You exploit it! Heh

But then, isnt the whole game a little short if you just leave it right here? As I said, what takes you to go through the whole game? 4, 5 months playing a couple hours a day? In november im pretty sure that i’ll have done everything i can except for the legendary that im not interested in because im not a hardcore player, which means i’ll just have sPvP and WvW.

i don’t think by far that the 5 man dungeons are the ultimate pve situation.

Its clear that they’ll be releasing more content. Else, you can basically finish the whole game in less than 6 months.

I take advantage of people trying to res to kill them heh.

The boss “runs out” of spiders at a time, from what i’ve done it, we kill 2-4 waves of spiders then kill the boss with no problem.

Well, as a cond dmg thief, i find annoying that the engineers go immune to conditions below 25% health, but well, c’est la vie you know.

Edelweiss.9815:

There are only few things on the Thief that are deemed OP by the community. Spamseeker, espcially with Haste, because it’s a lot sure-hit damage with a gap closer, PW Haste (been toned down, but still shreds people in seconds while perma-stunning them), Backstab /w Signet (really, not called to be OP in sPvP, but it’s annoying to get 1 shotted in WvW) and perma-stealth aka lag that makes Thieves still be invisible aboust 2 seconds after they came out of stealth.

All of that is justified.

Another complaint that you don’t hear that often, is Thief underwater skills that make him permanently invulnerable if you manage them properly. Also a justified complaint.

You get more damage from autoattacking than from spamspeek above 50%, its a little above seeker i think, still you can dps better from other ways, and just below 25% the damage gets serious. So spamseeker is the most hurrdurr and lowest dps of all types of thieves.

pw haste death = you had no serious survability skills with you. Therefore, you deserve to die.

backstab w/signet, well, if you arent expecting it you can really get annoyed by this one :p.

Perma-stalth is more annoying than dangerous. still autoattacking when he’s invi can help a lot.

The one underwater its pretty hardcore imo haha, depending on your class you can have a real bad time in capricorn against a thief heh. This is the only one that i COULD find a justified complaint. Still its not anything that cant be bypassed.

Talking about traits: you can go with bothermaster of pvp, full defense vit/tough (dodges and stealth everywhere). You can go a good glass cannon of crit with crit/vit, you can go dumb crap glass cannon with pow/crit, you can go with a good cond dmg build of trickery/tough aaand that’s all i’ve tried so far.

So, i created a new Sylvari and started the initial quest, when i foound some engineer lvl 23 with the turrets in the correct spots to kill all the lvl 1 wolves.

Just wanted to report it, i’m pretty sure the developers didnt want that.

Cheers!

Right, we have a skill that’s called “Roll for initiative” that break’s any skill that wants you to get immobilized. But kitten me right, it’s better whining.

pd. I play cond dmg thief in pvp. If you cant kill, you just suck and arent playing the right treats and strategy.

Im not only watching each one in the world, but taking a screenshot from them and when I finish i’ll make a rar and post it here and there.

I know, probably not the first one nor the last one that will do it, still its a task that i aim to.

So, I was wandering, what’s in your opinion the best class to go through any dungeon? Also, explain your choice.

I was thinking about guardian, with all that armor and support stuff, but i don’t know, i havent tried all the classes.