Guild Wars 2

We understand we would get crushed by facing DB or whoever else, but it was also a fight most of us were welcoming. The norm isn’t working here for us so we want to ask for an adjustment or at least some kind of confirmation that you are aware of our situation. Once again, please read before posting and don’t troll just because you’re in another tier. We like our communities here, we have a lot of friends and honestly ET has been the best server I have been on as far as people helping each other and collaborating. It’s when you get to wvw and have these massive blow outs week after week after week that you have an issue. Merge us with ferg, idk, but something has to change.

Anyone who buys the game today is going to be pointed at a tier 8 server. When they first poke their heads in WvW, what’s their experience going to be like? Forget about the frustrations of the people posting here — we’re masochists and will probably keep going regardless. But judging from the names that pop in one day and never again, this is going to cause retention problems. At least with free transfers they could try out a few different servers. As-is, sending your curious, fresh recruits against triple their numbers with a handful of jaded, frustrated people to lead them and a month of the same matchup on the horizon is…suboptimal.
Here’s an example post from our matchup thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/2-1-Sorrow-s-Ferg-s-Eredon-s/page/3#post1389446
A couple of ideas that might help:
1) Cap the minimum rating for a last-tier server to, say, 85% of the rating of the third server in the tier above. This should help keep the whole of the lowest tier from sinking to where a server can’t get out in a reasonable time frame.
2) Mix the tiers on occasion, either at random or by some rule (eg two wins in a row and you’re automatically bumped for a week, after which ratings decide again). Glicko2 doesn’t work unless those near each other on the ladder actually play each other. Occasionally swap the third server from one tier with the first on the next to make sure the tiers stay in the right order. There is a lot of information to be gained by putting Sorrow’s Furnace against tier 7 now. There’s none to be gained by keeping them in tier 8.
3) Increase the contribution of score to rating change. Servers in the wrong tier cause pain all around them. It’s criminal to have exposed pretty much every WvW player in the game to the new Kaineng (though Tier 8 has the distinction of having to deal with new Kaineng for 2-3 weeks), and keeping servers that suddenly weaken in over their heads all the way down doesn’t help anyone either. The ratings system isn’t about “earning your way up” — it’s about creating compelling matches. In computer science terms, right now we’ve got something like a bubble sort when we need a quicksort.

Sounding out to SF and FC from ET.
New Guy here, I just got GW2 for Christmas (Well, wife said I could get it for Christmas at least, same thing really) and thus I just started playing in January, so all I have ever known as far as WvWvW has been the three of us.
Now, before GW2, I had zero understanding of what WvWvW was, I had played realms vs reams, where you pick a server and a side and that’s that, if Albion was steamrolling you with a zerg rush of 40 to your 2 on that server, then that was your fate. Deal. (Kudos to anyone that played DAoC and can remember the Albion Zergs)
So here I was, seeing this lop sided match, day after day after day. And I quickly started to accept that this game was pretty much going to be the same. I even got to the point where I wondered if there were only 3 american servers given how unbalanced things where.
Now, I;ll be honest, I don’t like needing to do Homework on a game, I like to log in and play. So I learned the basics, kill the Invaders/Defenders, get Supply, build the rams in the middle of the road, and beat mindlessly on the doors while we get stampeded from behind. (I jest! I jest!) but anyway, I really had no idea about rotating matchups.
So you can imagine how ecstatic I was when discussion of the number reset started, and I realized that, Wow, there are a lot of NA servers, and we will be facing new people this coming week. I can honestly say it seems to have brought new life into the WvW here on ET, where before it was all about just trying (and failing) to hold our own, as our own, it became “Lets have some out here!” so, yah. It’s been a blast to me as of late.
Well, I guess it has been a fun month for me, and this reset and new learning about the ladder and progression has been informative, I can say, I am thrilled to face a new opponent. While Ferg will be around for another week, so we will finally get to see how well we face against each other, without being ran over by SF, so that is something I am looking forward to. No offence to FC, but, because of the massive presence SF had on the map, you guys just kinda ended being those “other guys over there” if you took something from us, it was like, give it 10 min and SF will take it back. So to FC, I am looking for the coming week where you will come to your own, and we can meet together in glorious battle.
To SF, Well guys. I am not sure if you will be running off to make your mark in the top tiers or setting yourself up to get destroyed and dominated for the coming weeks. only time will tell. But, while I can’t say I will ever be able to feel bad at the prospect of you all getting steamrolled for the coming weeks (you can understand why) , my hope is that it tempers you and does not break you. in Eredon, while we may have lost a great deal, we seldom gave up. Fighting tooth and nail to the bitter end. And that kind of conflict can draw out the best in people, making them stronger, and building up their resolve to keep fighting no matter what the odds, it can also melt them down and break their spirit. In the coming weeks for you guys, I hope the fires of adversity forge you, not smelt you.

It would be a nice change of pace, that’s for sure. And I know what you mean on SF being terrible. Only server I’ve seen literally get wiped in 2 vs 10s in the EB jumping puzzle and multiple times. It’s like, the only thing they know how to do is rally on a commander tag until they have enough AoE coverage that dodging a red circle just lands you into another red circle. If they wipe with 10 vs. 5, they call 10 more. If they wipe again, they call 15 more. And if things take too slow from there, they push it up to 50 people and things only become a matter of time. With brilliant strategy and inter-guild teamwork it IS possible to dominate against them in our own time zone as we did about a week back. But it amounts to nothing since that 12:30-1:00 AM Latin American zerg is just gonna wipe the map and destroy every upgrade while the server population sleeps. And that is the game breaker in this tier really, they have something like twice the numbers of their already plump NA squad when the latinos kick in.
At this point, I wish certain servers could just be merged and tier 8 cease to exist. This constant rating deficit has made it nothing more than a misery hole, a vast and deep pit that a few unlucky servers get tossed into now and then.
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I’m glad you’re out here voicing your opinion too. It’s hard sometimes being in the minority – especially with an “unpopular” opinion.
Maybe if enough of us articulate our situation well, and with some amount of grace – ANet will be willing to listen to us. But we’ve got to keep hammering at it, or the majority wins – and if the majority wins, then I think a lot of people are going to lose – ANet and the majority included.
Keep fighting the good fight. I hope to see you out there at some point.
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Agreed. It’d be nice if ANet would consider finding some sort of compromise here for those of us suffering such one-sided battles in WvW. Fine – the masses do not want to “lose” their ratings that they’ve fought so hard for. Understood. I don’t want my server (FC) or those on Eredon’s Terrace to keep losing so horrendously week after week.
I have to admit that it is a bit demoralizing to see all three borderlands plus EB totally green on a consistent basis – and then watch as they justify spawn camping us because we might be trying to put up a bit of a resistance.
I’m not asking that they give us a win. I’m asking that we be given a fair chance to fight instead of being so overwhelmingly overwhelmed. The only way that is going to happen is if ANet intervenes and helps us out a bit by either setting up 24hr-48hr matches to speed balance the tiers, or to do a population survey per server and re-match servers based on that.
Something has to give here – and the truth of it is if things don’t change – FC and ET are both going to crumple soon. We’ve fought for so long against intense adversity, against multiple heavy-pop servers. We’re known for our tenacity. But even the hardcores are eventually either going to pack-up and head to better servers, or they’re going to stop playing altogether – because what is the point in continuing to fight, minus the thrill of taking down an enemy fighter – if we’re not going to gain anything from it?
At some point this stopped being fun, for me – and I’m incredibly competitive – which is why I check in once in a while now and help out when/where I can, but I don’t devote as much of the little sliver of relaxing time I actually have, to it.
That’s the wrong attitude – some might say. But at least it’s a healthy choice for me

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Thanks for the sentiment, Sniffy. It’s been a pleasure to both fight against your people and Eredon’s Terrace as well as fight against SF together in the same map on occasion, be it by coincidence or necessity with their superior numbers.
Truth be told, Sorrow’s Furnace is the “straw that is breaking the camel’s back”. We have a lot of rugged people, as I’m sure you do as well. Commanders and players who have stayed through the worst of things before. And yet, people are losing patience when the fact is we payed the same $60 that everyone on every other server did yet don’t get the privilege of enjoying WvW as it was meant to be. It’s been 3 months of match ups like this for our servers, and ArenaNet’s inability to provide a system which can balance our tier has made making organized WvW happen on one of our servers like working on a second job. Only you don’t get paid real money. You don’t even get paid gold! If you don’t run enough dungeons to make a profit somewhere and spend as much time in WvW as I do, you find yourself losing gold somewhere between the fact that SF camping jump puzzles is making it harder for everyone to get siege and the fact that the little it gives is not enough to fight against their numbers without buying scrupulously large amounts of arrow carts to make the superior arrow carts needed to stop their zerg rushes.
On that topic, what’s more, is that Sorrow’s Furnace is not like the opponents we fought in the past either. Both with Devona’s Rest, and Kaineng even when they were dominating with 400-even 695 ppt at its worst, and had 10+ people in the jumping puzzle probably all bored as heck from a lack of fights, they still allowed us to do our jumping puzzles in peace. They were still, in general respectful. Sorrow’s Furnace goes out of its way to antagonize us. 99% of them attack on sight, always first with a knockback to ensure you get knocked down and at least have to try over again if that doesn’t insta-kill you. Of course that’s assuming the 5 people after you don’t go back down to hunt you, just to make sure you don’t get your free siege.. because to a server that outnumbers ours at least 3-1 and has superior timezone coverage, apparently a few of our guys getting free siege is such a threat to them? Then when they overwhelm your keeps with 8 x your numbers, what happens?
Sorrow’s Furnace Invader laughs.
Sorrow’s Furnace Invader laughs.
Sorrow’s Furnace Invader laughs.
Sorrow’s Furnace Invader laughs.
I’ve really just about lost my patience with these guys, and the temptation to go into hibernation while they enjoy their PvDoor like the lamefaces they are is more tempting than ever.
And all the while, servers like our two simply don’t have a voice or at least it feels that way. We complain enough, about things we have a right to complain about but ArenaNet simply does not respond to anything from our servers, and all the players from higher tiers brush off the comments as if we’re here and with such a lower rating because “tier 8 servers are just that bad at gw2”.

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I still think the math behind the rating system needs some major tweaks. As it stands, tier 8 gets far too punished for simply.. being tier 8. No other tier ends up with the rating gaps ours always seems to have, yet there really isn’t a big difference between a authentic tier 7 server’s numbers/coverage and a tier 8 server’s number’s and coverage. As it stands if a “Rising Star” starts forming in tier 8, it causes much more damage due to the length of the ascension to our WvW population’s enjoyment of the game than it would beginning in any other tier. Paid transfers are finally in effect, but there’s still no guarantee that entire hardcore WvW guilds won’t ever transfer seeing as the leader of my 350+ strong WvW guild has enough coin in the form of item investments to literally transfer half of our guild to a higher tier if he so wished. What I’m saying is that, paid transfers aren’t going to stop any major guild wishing to transfer from making a unified gold pooling tactic to… transfer. Its still literally easily accomplish-able over the course of a week or two for 2-3 major guilds on any server or across multiple servers to make concessions and agree to transfer over to a lower tier server and again break a tier. And the problem is, if that’s tier 8 UNLIKE other tiers who ironically aren’t that much stronger than ours at all cough tier 7 cough we have to endure the brutal ascension of a bandwagon transfer server for upwards of one-two months longer than tier 7 or any other tier would have to.. and why? Because we’re that weak? No, Ferguson’s Crossing proved itself capable of beating this former tier 7 server and had enjoyed great matchup with them despite the disparities in night crew presence, up until they unexpectedly received a whole bunch of transfers. Furthermore the gap in points between ours and pre-transfer SF wasn’t actually very different from Henge of Denravi’s. Once again, its the same crap on a different day(and server), just like Devona’s Rest, just like Kaineng albeit nowhere near as bad as Kaineng. And yet in the end we will have been drilled by them for what will probably be turn out to be a total of a month and a half before they finally get the heck out.
Seriously, fix tier 8’s rating, or whatever math is behind it. Go ahead and make ArenaNet characters on all the servers of tier 7 , participate in WvW for a week through all the timezone periods and then try it on our currently demoralized and weakened, in comparison to one-weeks ago, tier 8 servers, and lastly on Sorrow’s Furnace and compare to see for yourselves if our server really is “35-45% worse” as your fail rating system always seems to falsely hint.
Tier 8 deserves equal treatment to other tiers, and whatever the broken/fail math is that is in play that causes 300+ rating gaps to ONLY happen in our tier, clearly needs to be fixed. It’s only too bad that there’s gonna be so many “QQ somewhere else plox things are fine” people popping out of the woodwork. Twice as annoying when 95% of them are the same losers who bandwagoned their sorry hides over to lower tiers because tier 5-tier 2 was “too hard for them”. And yes before any unnecessary replies occur, I know its balanced matchups that matter in the long run. I’ll be happy when things fix up in tier 8, but just because we might get a balanced match up a month from now doesn’t mean its perfectly right for our tier to be 400 rating points behind tier 7, a gap unheard of between any other tier. Funny thing is I don’t really care about advancing if we get a balanced matchup that actually lasts for once, however its still unfair in all regards if the populations in tier 8 literally have to WORK three times as hard as any server in a higher tier to advance. That’s the very definition of imbalanced. And as I mentioned earlier, the threats of mass transfers are still very real. I don’t know any level 80 that can’t make 30 gold easily in a few short hours of play within 2 days if they put their minds to it, enough to buy the gems to literally transfer to any server they choose. The threat of transfers is still out there, and tier 8 shouldn’t be designed less capable of adjusting to that threat than other tiers for no valid reason at all.
Basically, please fix your rating system ArenaNet.

Simply put, arenanet has made no acknowledgement that the server rankings are broken. If a full reset isn’t on the table then fine, I can see why higher tier servers would not want to go through the grind of roflstomping less population, but that’s what we go through week after week.

There have been a lot of creative suggestions about how we can solve this problem without affecting ANY of the other servers. Honestly, t8 endures the worst beatings and point deficits of any bracket. DR kain were first stuck beating up on smaller servers then once they broke out they soared through the rankings (after getting more players as they progressed but they could have easily made tier 5-6 with their populations before the explosions).

I have seen a lot of players from my server and FC post about this and I have even talked to a few players from SF that are looking for a better fight.

Here are some suggestions and conversations I have had. I feel they better represent how we as a tier feel (please don’t post here if you’re going to troll from another tier, this does not affect you).

DisplayName.7802:

Good fights so far at SF BL

Yeah, I mean besides the fact that you are overwhelming us with bodies, but beating you in the open field fights every time against the odds has been pretty fun.

But hey, quite an accomplishment defending bay with siege in it and more people then us.

Side note: tried to ninja some ferg stuff in EB with a small group and ran right into didn’t realize there were so many until you all rendered, lot of us were laughing pretty hard at how quick we went down lol – I swear that had to be your whole server !

Edit : had wrong angle on the other SS’s of where we killed you at the chokepoint and down on the road those times. Will get better ones later!

I say we arrange duels in the EB Jp kitten room

why even respond if all you’re going to do is troll? go somewhere else be constructive or don’t post at all, and you obviously haven’t read the above thread… please go back to your zerg server

what are you even talking about? so we don’t count? that’s an incredibly intelligent answer and how would it “ruin” anything for you

because 2 months of us having no fun is worth a week of skewed match ups

all they have to do is take a few seconds and manually adjust one server to move to t7 how does that affect you?

ridiculous how they’re ignoring a whole tier… wish people would take a minute to see how bad it is before they went off and posted some BS about us being terrible or how it isn’t so bad

Short answer, yes. We would like ANY variety as a group.

Long answer, our servers are matched against a tier 5 population server right now and stuck in a hole due to flawed math.

AnyaOokami.6205:

SniffyCube.6107:

Detharos.3157:

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This is one of the greatest posts I have read yet and I completely agree with you but I feel that it will never be read by anyone that works for anet. It seems they only cater to massive QQ posts about people switching to that new skyrim game if they do the reset.

Agreed. It’d be nice if ANet would consider finding some sort of compromise here for those of us suffering such one-sided battles in WvW. Fine – the masses do not want to “lose” their ratings that they’ve fought so hard for. Understood. I don’t want my server (FC) or those on Eredon’s Terrace to keep losing so horrendously week after week.

I have to admit that it is a bit demoralizing to see all three borderlands plus EB totally green on a consistent basis – and then watch as they justify spawn camping us because we might be trying to put up a bit of a resistance.

I’m not asking that they give us a win. I’m asking that we be given a fair chance to fight instead of being so overwhelmingly overwhelmed. The only way that is going to happen is if ANet intervenes and helps us out a bit by either setting up 24hr-48hr matches to speed balance the tiers, or to do a population survey per server and re-match servers based on that.

Something has to give here – and the truth of it is if things don’t change – FC and ET are both going to crumple soon. We’ve fought for so long against intense adversity, against multiple heavy-pop servers. We’re known for our tenacity. But even the hardcores are eventually either going to pack-up and head to better servers, or they’re going to stop playing altogether – because what is the point in continuing to fight, minus the thrill of taking down an enemy fighter – if we’re not going to gain anything from it?

At some point this stopped being fun, for me – and I’m incredibly competitive – which is why I check in once in a while now and help out when/where I can, but I don’t devote as much of the little sliver of relaxing time I actually have, to it.

That’s the wrong attitude – some might say. But at least it’s a healthy choice for me.

Everything you’ve said mirrors this server as well. I am sure there are other match ups where the servers are frustrated and will be getting destroyed in that same match up for a month or so because this rating system “isn’t broken."

I’d even settle for the simple green win goes up red loss goes down…

Obviously you have 0 idea about the situation in lower tiers. Wish people would take some time to learn about how things are going before they post misinformed statements about how everything is working fine.

How do you know it would mess things up with the new math? Do you have any idea about what the new match ups would have been in two – three weeks? Who said the tier 1 servers wouldn’t rapidly rise? These 50k point gaps do mean something and when servers above you are deadlocked its VERY hard to move up (near impossible for tier 8 ). So anet was intimidated by people saying they are going to leave for ESO and buried their collective heads into the sand saying that things are “fine as is” when the unbalanced tiers is what prompted this move in the first place. It is very close-minded to assume this system would be worse without seeing said system in place. Honestly, these comments thanking arenanet get more and more ridiculous as this thread goes on.

Detharos.3157:

I still think the math behind the rating system needs some major tweaks. As it stands, tier 8 gets far too punished for simply.. being tier 8. No other tier ends up with the rating gaps ours always seems to have, yet there really isn’t a big difference between a authentic tier 7 server’s numbers/coverage and a tier 8 server’s number’s and coverage. As it stands if a “Rising Star” starts forming in tier 8, it causes much more damage due to the length of the ascension to our WvW population’s enjoyment of the game than it would beginning in any other tier. Paid transfers are finally in effect, but there’s still no guarantee that entire hardcore WvW guilds won’t ever transfer seeing as the leader of my 350+ strong WvW guild has enough coin in the form of item investments to literally transfer half of our guild to a higher tier if he so wished. What I’m saying is that, paid transfers aren’t going to stop any major guild wishing to transfer from making a unified gold pooling tactic to… transfer. Its still literally easily accomplish-able over the course of a week or two for 2-3 major guilds on any server or across multiple servers to make concessions and agree to transfer over to a lower tier server and again break a tier. And the problem is, if that’s tier 8 UNLIKE other tiers who ironically aren’t that much stronger than ours at all cough tier 7 cough we have to endure the brutal ascension of a bandwagon transfer server for upwards of one-two months longer than tier 7 or any other tier would have to.. and why? Because we’re that weak? No, Ferguson’s Crossing proved itself capable of beating this former tier 7 server and had enjoyed great matchup with them despite the disparities in night crew presence, up until they unexpectedly received a whole bunch of transfers. Furthermore the gap in points between ours and pre-transfer SF wasn’t actually very different from Henge of Denravi’s. Once again, its the same crap on a different day(and server), just like Devona’s Rest, just like Kaineng albeit nowhere near as bad as Kaineng. And yet in the end we will have been drilled by them for what will probably be turn out to be a total of a month and a half before they finally get the heck out.

Seriously, fix tier 8’s rating, or whatever math is behind it. Go ahead and make ArenaNet characters on all the servers of tier 7 , participate in WvW for a week through all the timezone periods and then try it on our currently demoralized and weakened, in comparison to one-weeks ago, tier 8 servers, and lastly on Sorrow’s Furnace and compare to see for yourselves if our server really is “35-45% worse” as your fail rating system always seems to falsely hint.

Tier 8 deserves equal treatment to other tiers, and whatever the broken/fail math is that is in play that causes 300+ rating gaps to ONLY happen in our tier, clearly needs to be fixed. It’s only too bad that there’s gonna be so many “QQ somewhere else plox things are fine” people popping out of the woodwork. Twice as annoying when 95% of them are the same losers who bandwagoned their sorry hides over to lower tiers because tier 5-tier 2 was “too hard for them”. And yes before any unnecessary replies occur, I know its balanced matchups that matter in the long run. I’ll be happy when things fix up in tier 8, but just because we might get a balanced match up a month from now doesn’t mean its perfectly right for our tier to be 400 rating points behind tier 7, a gap unheard of between any other tier. Funny thing is I don’t really care about advancing if we get a balanced matchup that actually lasts for once, however its still unfair in all regards if the populations in tier 8 literally have to WORK three times as hard as any server in a higher tier to advance. That’s the very definition of imbalanced. And as I mentioned earlier, the threats of mass transfers are still very real. I don’t know any level 80 that can’t make 30 gold easily in a few short hours of play within 2 days if they put their minds to it, enough to buy the gems to literally transfer to any server they choose. The threat of transfers is still out there, and tier 8 shouldn’t be designed less capable of adjusting to that threat than other tiers for no valid reason at all.

Basically, please fix your rating system ArenaNet.

This is one of the greatest posts I have read yet and I completely agree with you but I feel that it will never be read by anyone that works for anet. It seems they only cater to massive QQ posts about people switching to that new skyrim game if they do the reset.

insanemaniac.2456:

i was anxiously anticipating the reset. because something must be done. glicko is obviously not meant to accommodate 200 rating point gaps.

guess i shouldve been more vocal. all the whiners have ruined the hopes of ebay, bg, and t8.

People being vocal was why they decided to reset the ratings in the first place… then a lot of the same forum trolls decided to get on and they changed their minds again. I enjoyed the “this isn’t fun” thread pointing at the 100k point differences where the winning server was losing points and players were getting annihilated by the same servers week in and week out. Today’s announcements were a really sad day for me in regards to this game and a huge let down. I just hope that they can manually adjust some of these match ups because obviously BG and t8 need to be fixed. Might be a good idea for the developers to hop onto one of those servers and see for themselves.

Honestly, we didn’t even see how the ratings would work out in 2-3 weeks before speculation and whining shot down the idea. Makes one wonder if they had any “new math” in the first place or we had just called their bluff.

Balking at wvw ratings because of a few vocal people on servers is a huge step back. I don’t know why you’re thanking anet because now there will be a lot of players stuck in the same grind against the same opponents who grossly outnumber them… and we never really got to see how things would work out. What’s to say the proper tier 1 servers will not rapidly move up under the “new math.” Very close minded imho.

this was from 3 days ago… before it was axed, but the suggestion of a manual adjustment remains and would be good for the servers at the bottom and top would love an answer why this couldn’t shouldn’t or isn’t done from mike or habib or anyone for that matter… just seems to make sense tbh

bump – would like any kind of response…although the reset isn’t happening this could really help us out in t8 where the match has just become stupidly one sided

could also help out a few different servers in t1 t2

I wouldn’t have used your same words gstim, but I agree with you.

Wrex.6798:

So I might have missed it but has it been announced properly yet how these new matchups are going to be working tommorow? I know the MOS site is using a guestimate but it’s not accurate as far as i’m aware.

It would be nice to know how the ladders are going to work BEFORE the reset since alot of us in the WvW community like to plan / organise reset week and leaving it this late seems a bit kitten.

//Wrex

bump

you’re looking at fergs or ET it’s ALL roaming…and we both have super small populations – honestly feels like a larger version of spvp half the time with all the open field fights

if you’re coordinated you can easily take a keep or tower with 10 or less people and wiping out large numbers of SF (sadly they won’t be with us next week to swarm us) is a fantastic way to pass your time

whichever server/ guild you guys choose it’s important you get a feel for the community so come guest on one of the servers and talk to some people about it, or you can msg me (yes I fight against the ferguson server but that doesn’t stop me from putting in a good word for them as well)

Take care man.

style.6173:

Manually adjust?? No way.

Instead have 48 hour matches to rapidly get the rankings back in order.

48 hours could be misleading especially if we go back to the week by week system afterwards. It is the same concept as reset. People come out of the woodwork. You might do great and get a pretty high ranking after a week or so of 48 hour matches, but then you go back to the week by week match and come Monday you are alone in your bl against a swarm of angry invaders… then you begin your slide down the ranks.

nalenb.1425:

I was just going to post the same thing. ArenaNet can query their database to see how many people are in WvW every hour per server. Then they graph the coverage and make the match ups. So reset the points, make manual match ups, then let the algorithm work from there.

However, I think Cactus.2710 is right, based on their past performance, I doubt this has even crossed their minds.

Sad to say I am starting to agree with you.

Goteam.2937:

when are you returning sock to us btw.. We want him back xD

There’s plenty of room for you guys here.

Join the dark side… we have cookies.

DaBleuberry.1780:

SniffyCube.6107:

Why is everyone talking about paying? It doesn’t occur to most people that you can trade gold for gems… so you can just farm it if you’re skittish about hashing out real currency (one good day of farming).

But, if you are planning to come to ET, please contact one of the major guilds there. The server does attract a certain breed of player and it’s good to know the environment before committing… and what people have been saying is totally true. The small scale battles and mobility are definite draws. You get to know a lot of people playing because it’s a pretty tight knit group.

Are you just telling the truth to get more people into your server?

Fixed it for you.

Why is everyone talking about paying? It doesn’t occur to most people that you can trade gold for gems… so you can just farm it if you’re skittish about hashing out real currency (one good day of farming).

But, if you are planning to come to ET, please contact one of the major guilds there. The server does attract a certain breed of player and it’s good to know the environment before committing… and what people have been saying is totally true. The small scale battles and mobility are definite draws. You get to know a lot of people playing because it’s a pretty tight knit group.

Is it possible for someone who monitors WvW to adjust some of next week’s rankings manually? SF, who has a skeleton night crew, will be going against kaineng, likewise, maguuma will be against ET which will be a blow out any way you slice it.

At least that’s what the numbers say. You have not really released the “new math” that you guys were talking about. With the new reset fast approaching, we are worrying about WvW next week and the weeks after.

It seems like this could save us all a lot of headache if the proper T1 servers were adjusted to still be in tier 1 and a lot of the other servers were manually placed into different tiers that suit their populations. Of course, there will be some mistakes, but it can really fix a lot of problems that we would otherwise experience for weeks to come.

lol, can we get this merged with the several hundred threads calling FOR a reset and all the suggestions etc.

Can’t make everyone happy.

Ireniicus.2167:

SniffyCube.6107:

waiting times are largely increasing because everyone wanted to be on the winning server before reset so you got tooooons of wvw transfers, and now a queue… while it helps you win in wvw, have fun waiting for outrageous amounts of time to actually play

there are many servers w/o queues, ironically, the ones most of you left from to go to the higher “winning” servers

I understand why you say this but YB had 2 hour queues yesterday and it is felt by everyone we had a server deficit after the end of free transfers announcement so please keep your amusement which I share to a point out of this one as it is not the sole reason for queues

there I fixed it for you

waiting times are largely increasing because everyone wanted to be on the winning server before reset (aside from the queue order problems anet is dealing with) so you got tooooons of wvw transfers, and now a queue… while it helps you win in wvw, have fun waiting for outrageous amounts of time to actually play

there are many servers w/o queues, ironically, the ones most of you left from to go to the higher “winning” servers

I believe that numbers are to blame for us not “holding” our own bl. I am pretty sure ourselves and WZ can agree that the quality of play we have seen from SF is subpar at best. Yes, you have a very large wvw population for t8 and maybe t7, but population isn’t the reason you’re in t8. The smack talk doesn’t really count for much when 2-3 of us spec’d spvp style can go take out about ten of you. While we’re doing it, your guys panic and drop siege that we pick up (not in the JP, but whenever we fight you in EB or SF BL it happens at least once a night).

Once again, I am ballparking that both WZ and Envy can agree on this one, as well as any WvW guilds on ET (mclovin posting that lovely picture of SF’s golem rush against burning oil). However, congratulations… Zerging karma trains and owning a jumping puzzle must be a very exciting way to spend your time. There are three more puzzles so if it makes you feel better about losing open field fights against the outmanned buff then you should probably camp all of them

Also, I do not think the five posts in a row were warranted and at one point I think you were answering your own previous post… not sure what to make of that.

To the rest of SF, we have seen some sparks of light and we hope you continue to develop and grow. You have been a fun enemy to go against but unfortunately the populations are skewed in your favor. I look forward to fighting you on a more even plain eventually.

Probably will be fighting you again next week after the ratings reset, but after that best of luck!

Also, you ferg guilds should just join ET :P! (that’s my miserable recruitment attempt).

Jesse.4631:

Nope, i think we can hold our own with a tire 7. Fergusons has great players, we’ve just had the bad luck of being outnumbered 1v10 every match up

very true

Want to go against ferg again. They play well and with class.

guild pride > server pride, but I’m biased

Had a great time in SF borderlands today then EB right before the new build. Thank you for dropping the siege you had for us (although I don’t think it was intentional).

These open field fights are a great time.

Am I the missing something or is this the only class that can’t remove boons (unless you’re running a precision crit build with the sigil and even then it’s not that viable)?

Also, unless I am mistaken we only have the fire combo field which gives us burning might and flame shield which isn’t all that dynamic.

Can we get some abilities that remove boons? I think it would make warrior gameplay have a lot more depth. Maybe another combo field generator as well because we’ve got a ton of finishers but are severely lacking in those categories besides the longbow.

My comment was more directed at each individual borderland to give them a unique feel as opposed to a copy paste 3x

as another person stated, we could add different terrain and more hiding places – great idea btw

About the commander, I was thinking maybe every few ticks of the score there is a vote on the commanders on the map. That way, the larger guilds could get their guy on the map and the smaller guilds with well respected or known commanders that are trusted could also get on the board. Although this could lead to griefing issues.

also this is not a “nerf class X” thread so please refrain from that :p

Post them anyway fjandi. It never hurts and if someone flames you then so be it… it’s just a game, why not at least suggest how to make it better. Games are about having fun.

Some of these have been floating around and I’ve added some of my own that would make the game a little bit more interesting. Please feel free to add onto the list! Who knows, maybe a developer will look at it.

Also remember to add an intelligent “why” to your argument.

I’ll start out with the following:

Bring back 24 hour matches for a while in order to rebalance servers because of the mass transfer before the paid xfers. That way the servers who lost population and would otherwise spend weeks and weeks getting stomped have a chance to be put into a correct match up. Let’s face it, the rankings are really skewed right now and no one wants to wait months for them to be fixed.

Manual adjustment of the wvw ranking system. That way, especially for tier 8, the losing servers don’t get repeatedly stomped by just enough to play the same opponents and get stomped week in and week out.

Specific character bindable items that can be crafted for use in wvw, because, let’s face it, crafting doesn’t do much for wpvp besides oils and food.

Examples
Armorsmith – portable shield that can block siege damage in a small radius up to X amount of damage
Weaponsmith – doorcutter that is a type of handheld ram doing less damage and reducing mobility when when it is equipt
Huntsman – single shot sniper rifle long distance, one shot and a super high cd that can be used to shoot or stun players on siege or on walls
Leatherworker – Wearing animal skins – turn yourself into an NPC neutral npc on the other player’s screens such as coyote or warg / rabbit (scouting and ambush)

more to come…

Separated towers keeps / further apart – siege not being able to reach towers to keeps or keeps to towers because, as someone on the forums stated “in real sieges the defender doesn’t siege from the comfort of his own castle”

Buildable forts – defenses such as wooden walls which can be built anywhere on the map to make a “siege camp,” walls being a lot weaker and vulnerable to player damage

More quests – have an event that if you collect enough badges or parts of players killed you can summon a special npc to go on “patrols” with you or an NPC army that can help you take objectives etc (could be only usable in your own borderlands) because killing players and more diversity would be a great addition

Rotate maps – three different maps for first second and third place in a match up, the third place being more easily strategically defensible than the first place map because if a server is in third place they are most likely already fighting the odds

Customizable NPCs – When you claim a tower keep you have the option of outfitting the guards with your own guild’s personal armor / weapons to make the keep look and feel more like it’s yours. Also, allow guilds to customize or pick from templates as how the walls of the tower / keep appear once claimed. i.e. guild A claims tower and has a gothic template selected so the walls of the tower appear in a gothic fashion and when upgraded becomes “cooler looking.” You could also use guild influence to “buy” customizable weapon skins (with or without adding better stats) for the guards to the keeps or towers you claim.

All in all I think those would make world vs world feel more like a “war” instead of cookie cutter.

Feel free to contribute your own thoughts here!

give warriors more combo fields / boon removals – white dmg is fun but I want complexity!

I like where your head is at

since they’re disabled there’s no use really arguing about it and a mod should close this

Ivano.2604:

No ressing in (finished players only) combat would transform the entire game experience, it would be awesome

+1

for the worse – you’d be amazed how much rezzing factors into good wvw guild’s strategies

you can actually edit those screenshots to block out chat, abilities, and pretty much whatever else you want

- and that guy seems pretty mad

This is very true.

golem rushes tend to be less impressive when there’s no one to defend against them

I say stop the roflstomping. I am gonna post this again – bring back the 24 hr matches to readjust the tiers. It’s not fun for servers to be pvdooring nonstop and its not fun to be camped in your spawn (speaking from both perspectives).

After we’re all semi balanced we can go back to the weeklong stuff. Playing video games is supposed to be fun… when I was on a server moving up b/c of population wvw was boring, didn’t step foot in it, and that’s a huge aspect of this game for me.