Guild Wars 2

Puck.1509:

But then that was the teams inability to knock you off your point. You can stand their all day but when I come I’ll cause trouble for you. I enjoy even my losses as I am never rolled on anymore, I provide the best carrying plays I can for my team, a support in an aggressive way you could say. I rarely get boring games.
Do you still play is the question?

I still play a bunch of ranked matches to get my dailies done. Maybe a few more after that. Mostly because I feel like playing GW2 but don’t have an awful lot of things I’m willing to commit to before HoT. So PvP it is.

I just dont like to be given points over time. I’d much rather do a thing, get a point, do a thing, get a point and so on without anything ticking over time.

Pls tell more about 25% HP Engi.

Also P/P venom Thief is dope.

Puck.1509:

It has all of those. People love and enjoy the PvP which is why people still play it. They enjoy the game, then loose and suddenly pull all the problems out without any thought as to why they lost and get frustrated. Its always criticism, but hardly constructive.

I’m not one of them. In fact I often find myself more unhappy with the game after winning than losing.

Sometimes the win feels decisive and convincing but most of the time it’s like meeeeeeeh because I just exploited another broken mechanic or defended the node long enough for the game to count to 500.

If you can win a TF with relative ease just hold the two points you have and harass the third. Too often have I seen teams throw the game by trying to go for all 3 points.

Let them come. They come they die. Keep the third point harassed to confuse them a bit.

Cheesy is cheesy. Like cheese in taste, smell, or consistency.

Pretty simple thread here.

What odd builds did you have a lot of success with in PvP? By odd I mean stuff that makes sense but isn’t terribly common.

For me:

Venom share Thief, leech Necro, condi Guard, cleric banner Warrior with GS+Sword/Shield.

The latter gave me an absurd amount of wins back in the day.

Condi Guard is my guilty pleasure because sometimes you can apply burn on someone who just used the cleanses just to see them die from 1.1k burn ticks 20s later. As an added bonus Thieves and Rangers are going to kill themselves attacking you.

Leech Necro is just leech Necro. VS Thief is something I enjoy doing a lot as it ensures a tf victory most of the time if played right, these venoms add pretty absurd amount of dmg and utility.

Go, tell me your secrets.

Zunami.8560:

Spirigo.2897:

The problem with cele is that it enables meta where every build can do a bit of everything which leads to a fairly stale, sometimes oddly chaotic combat.

It also leaves more specialised classes like like Rangers and Necros that don’t have means of tanking or disengaging in the gutter having to rely on BS proc builds in order to stay remotely viable.

To be honest the meta builds themselves are fairly well balanced between themselves. If conditions were to somehow become more useful I think we would see all 8 profs out in a fairly decent shape.

There really is no reason for rangers to engage themselves with their ranged burst damage but with hunter’s shot, point blank shot and the pet CC, its actually very hard to engage a ranger.

As for Necros, fear and death shroud, at least it works well vs engi since we don’t have stability. Necros tank much better than celestial engi as well once gear shield is done its instant death, lol.

Celestial engi relies mostly on single target CC and close combat making them weak in 1v2.

I’m actually a little shocked that power Necros don’t see a lot of play. From personal experience playing one they seem to be rather strong.

I also have to agree with your point about Rangers. Which only makes me more confused as to why Necros don’t see more play seeing as they have similar playstyle to Rangers and suffer from much the same drawbacks. I suppose they are harder to play.

On a mildly unrelated note, venom share Thieves are the real MVPs.

Being on voice comm can do wonders in this game, so 1-3 man premades have a huge advantage over conventional teams.

It feels terribly unfair and doesn’t help the already bad player retention at all.

That being said winning against a stack is pretty satisfying.

Meeeeeh. At the moment PvP is too cheesy to appeal to the esports community. There are a lot of reasons why it’s cheesy ranging from balance to conquest itself.

Matchmaking seems to start behaving badly once you go on a winning streak of more than 4-5 matches. That’s when suddenly the game decides to put a bunch of <1000 AP people on your team who are clearly playing their first PvP match and pit you against a full guild premade.

Suddenly the already high “annoying BS” levels jump through the roof. Brilliant.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Like I wrote before, your posts hold no value or merit. Keep regin’ teenie.

Yep, pretty much.

At this point both of us are kittenposting. But hey, I raised concerns about the dangers of making random assumptions about the other poster before didn’t I? because this is the result you end up with. =P

Nowhere does it say that I keep getting killed by them or don’t know how to avoid their key skills. In fact I’m also leaving it to readers interpretation whether they are OP or not. However they are annoying and are built around leeching of their team.

Like I wrote before, your posts hold no value or merit. Keep regin’ teenie.

Zoso.8279:

Spirigo.2897:

Zoso.8279:

Spirigo.2897:

Zoso.8279:

Spirigo.2897:

The fact that you get mad and flame is evidence enough that I’m right. There is nothing of merit in any of your posts, just angst and anger.

I have yet to see any argument about why Rangers don’t require a rework that would make them viable across the board instead of being what they are now.

But then again, they seem to have quite a loyal following in the community of thick skulled teens that don’t even know how to have a civil discussion.

L2P. Im more annoyed then mad and I’m annoyed by ignorant people who don’t want to see reality. Your bad and its very obvious by your arguments. Again L2P.

It’s more a case of you taking my comments about your favourite build (or possibly the only one you can play) to heart and not having the ability or competence to retort with anything worthwhile.

This explains the uncontrollable rage. Gosh, if this continues, I suspect you may need to get a new keyboard.

Btw, on the topic of L2P, Consume Conditions.

You haven’t made any good points all your points are literally L2P issues. Lol to rage to an ignorant little kid on a forum? Sorry man you need to do A LOT more to get me angry over a video game. Sad part are your buddies agreeing with your ridiculous “points” luckily the majority of GW2 players don’t use the forums so won’t be dumbed down by them.

Everything you posted so far is flame and spam. If you want to convince me that my points are wrong this is not the way to do it. If all I see coming from you is teen rage then I write it off as teen rage.

For the record it’s more a can’t read issue on your side than L2P issue on my side. I think I have stated multiple times that it’s a case of being unable to counter Rangers but rather it being a low skillfloor build that is built around exploiting lack of organization and uneven matchmaking. The problem is that it seems to be the most viable thing a ranger can run atm which highlights the poor state the class is in.

A few users pointed out that it’s as annoying to have them on your team as the enemy team which should’ve been an indication enough to you that you don’t get the point of the discussion. Though to be honest I doubt you’re in a condition to understand anything at the moment.

No I’ve been keeping up with this post and I’ve read all your…. umm… well though out points??? And its actually very literally L2P issues. If your having a problem with a build that has low skill level proves your skill level is probably lower. I know your trying to troll but I’m really enjoying this discussion so please feels free to continue.

Edit: Bad players make excuses for why they lose and your full of excuses

What on earth gave you an idea that I have a build that has low skill level? Like I said, learn to read.

That being said people who call others on L2P issues have those issues themselves. No other way to explain the insecurity. Keep ragin’ tho.

Zoso.8279:

Spirigo.2897:

Zoso.8279:

Spirigo.2897:

The fact that you get mad and flame is evidence enough that I’m right. There is nothing of merit in any of your posts, just angst and anger.

I have yet to see any argument about why Rangers don’t require a rework that would make them viable across the board instead of being what they are now.

But then again, they seem to have quite a loyal following in the community of thick skulled teens that don’t even know how to have a civil discussion.

L2P. Im more annoyed then mad and I’m annoyed by ignorant people who don’t want to see reality. Your bad and its very obvious by your arguments. Again L2P.

It’s more a case of you taking my comments about your favourite build (or possibly the only one you can play) to heart and not having the ability or competence to retort with anything worthwhile.

This explains the uncontrollable rage. Gosh, if this continues, I suspect you may need to get a new keyboard.

Btw, on the topic of L2P, Consume Conditions.

You haven’t made any good points all your points are literally L2P issues. Lol to rage to an ignorant little kid on a forum? Sorry man you need to do A LOT more to get me angry over a video game. Sad part are your buddies agreeing with your ridiculous “points” luckily the majority of GW2 players don’t use the forums so won’t be dumbed down by them.

Everything you posted so far is flame and spam. If you want to convince me that my points are wrong this is not the way to do it. If all I see coming from you is teen rage then I write it off as teen rage.

For the record it’s more a can’t read issue on your side than L2P issue on my side. I think I have stated multiple times that it’s a case of being unable to counter Rangers but rather it being a low skillfloor build that is built around exploiting lack of organization and uneven matchmaking. The problem is that it seems to be the most viable thing a ranger can run atm which highlights the poor state the class is in.

A few users pointed out that it’s as annoying to have them on your team as the enemy team which should’ve been an indication enough to you that you don’t get the point of the discussion. Though to be honest I doubt you’re in a condition to understand anything at the moment.

Gryph.8237:

Zoso.8279:

Gryph.8237:

Zoso.8279:

nightblood.7910:

Zoso.8279:

Edit : Im not trying to make fun or attack you but to say Power Ranger of all classes is OP or w/e your point is is just ridicules and sorry if I made you feel like I was making fun of you.

nightblood.7910:

I personally do not think rangers are overpowered.

My point is that targeted teleports should have no path restrictions. That creates counterplay to a Ranger sitting on a cliff or when fighting them in bumpy terrain and you get no valid path yet you could walk right to them without jumping. And it only be targeted teleports because well we dont want thieves just showing up whereever with no target. They of course would still need LoS.

ANd youre right, all rangers have is range. And the way you fight them is with gap closers, when you cant use a gap closer, well now there is a problem of no counterplay.

Like I said, forest, I have no concerns about rangers because I know my gap closers work there where they dont work other places that arte pretty much the same thing. Ranger on a cliff yet on this map I ccant teleport to them while on another map I can. Makes no sense. Map protecting rangers.

Gap closers/reflect/invisible/invul actually there are lots of ways to counter rangers. Also maps protect every class from rangers with LoS. Dude I honestly don’t understand where your trying to go with this???

I play necro and am missing all of those skills you mentioned

Good catch! Would make sense the class with the least amount of mobility having a hard time against a class with range and mobility as its only strong points

That said Rangers only make me mad when I can’t get to them and are hitting me from 2000 range. I don’t want them nerfed, I just want a way to mitigate some damage on a necro, or close the gap a bit

It can be as simple as using the terrain to your advantage. They want you to run to them head on, that’s the whole point of the build. So obviously don’t run to them head on.

Use DS to mitigate the damage, Dark Path to them and unleash the damage. Half the issue is solved by understanding that they can hit you from a ridiculous range.

The problem with cele is that it enables meta where every build can do a bit of everything which leads to a fairly stale, sometimes oddly chaotic combat.

It also leaves more specialised classes like like Rangers and Necros that don’t have means of tanking or disengaging in the gutter having to rely on BS proc builds in order to stay remotely viable.

To be honest the meta builds themselves are fairly well balanced between themselves. If conditions were to somehow become more useful I think we would see all 8 profs out in a fairly decent shape.

Zoso.8279:

Spirigo.2897:

The fact that you get mad and flame is evidence enough that I’m right. There is nothing of merit in any of your posts, just angst and anger.

I have yet to see any argument about why Rangers don’t require a rework that would make them viable across the board instead of being what they are now.

But then again, they seem to have quite a loyal following in the community of thick skulled teens that don’t even know how to have a civil discussion.

L2P. Im more annoyed then mad and I’m annoyed by ignorant people who don’t want to see reality. Your bad and its very obvious by your arguments. Again L2P.

It’s more a case of you taking my comments about your favourite build (or possibly the only one you can play) to heart and not having the ability or competence to retort with anything worthwhile.

This explains the uncontrollable rage. Gosh, if this continues, I suspect you may need to get a new keyboard.

Btw, on the topic of L2P, Consume Conditions.

The fact that you get mad and flame is evidence enough that I’m right. There is nothing of merit in any of your posts, just angst and anger.

I have yet to see any argument about why Rangers don’t require a rework that would make them viable across the board instead of being what they are now.

But then again, they seem to have quite a loyal following in the community of thick skulled teens that don’t even know how to have a civil discussion.

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

^ He’s not the one who posted the video so your point about him not using his pet optimally is unwarranted.

The point being that you don’t have to use your pet optimally to easily beat good players with a pewpew Ranger. It’s just the way the build is, super easy with 0 skill involved.

That’s basically what Ranger is good at. Not fighting head on or contesting points but +1 a fight to ruin everyone’s day. Power Necro works in the same way except you have to press more than 2 buttons when lich runs out.

It’s a sad state to have either profs in, especially the Ranger who has a bunch of cool weapons and mechanics that rarely see play due to being irrelevant.

As for +1, thief does this 10 times better due to better mobility and warping to upper place for “instant travel” in Nuelfield, Kyolo, and Temple. The only map ranger can compete a thief for +1 is Foefire.

If instant +1 is a problem, then thief, mesmer and necro should all be removed from the game too lol. (mesmer = portal, necro = wurm, thief for obvious reason)
So let’s see, if 4 professions are gone, leaving only 4 Metal classes left (War, Guardian, Ele, Engi), your ideal balance can finally be met! Celestial party everyone!

There’s more whataboutism in your posts than in r/WorldNews. Yes, there are other issues with the meta thanks for pointing that out. This doesn’t change the fact that Rangers are in an awful state right now.

Thief needs skill to play. Much more so than the Ranger that can be as effective as the Thief by climbing up a ledge and spamming 1.

The reason why devs don’t read this forum is because of a bunch of angsty teenagers that take every post to heart. There are some decent points in this thread made from both perspectives but they are buried under tons of “L2P” and “WHAT ABOUT IRAQ???” spam.

^ He’s not the one who posted the video so your point about him not using his pet optimally is unwarranted.

The point being that you don’t have to use your pet optimally to easily beat good players with a pewpew Ranger. It’s just the way the build is, super easy with 0 skill involved.

That’s basically what Ranger is good at. Not fighting head on or contesting points but +1 a fight to ruin everyone’s day. Power Necro works in the same way except you have to press more than 2 buttons when lich runs out.

It’s a sad state to have either profs in, especially the Ranger who has a bunch of cool weapons and mechanics that rarely see play due to being irrelevant.

I swap between medi Guard, burn Guard or power Necro usually.

Depends on whether the enemy team comp mainly. Burn Guard is hilarious against thieves, you literally make them kill themselves by the time they realise what you’re up to.

Laraley.7695:

Eurantien.4632:

Xom.9264:

Eurantien.4632:

@ Spirigo

If we did a test where you were on power ranger and I played every meta class against you, I would bet I would win every time. If I played power ranger and you got to play every meta class than I guarantee I would win at least 6/8, depending on your skill level 8/8. To me, that would suggest it isn’t power ranger that is strong nor that I’m a good player, but that you lack the ability to stand behind a wall, in a game mode where you can place yourself between the ranger, the wall, and the objective the ranger is trying to get to. That would mean, therefore, that it is a learn to play issue. I heavily encourage you to do so as many people don’t have problems with this class that you complain so much about. You also mention not seeing the ranger. This is again indicative of a learn to play issue, if you do not have the awareness to see a high dps class coming to kill you, then you deserve to die in this dog eat dog world of PvP that we have.

I also find your reasons to nerf ranger unsettling, “I’m bad, I die to ranger yet most people don’t, it makes the game unfun for me, please nerf it because I can’t learn to play”. Thought processes like this are what makes the community become toxic. Take some responsibility and learn to play, please.

You’re talking about dueling…. whats out of control is in conquest mode how much damage they do from so far away so easy. Other zerk classes have a much higher risk for the same reward/effectiveness.

The skill level it takes to play zerk shatter mesmer is much much much much greater then a zerk ranger… rewards are the same.

Yet 0 rangers on top teams? Every team has a thief, and often a mesmer… If ranger is easier and just as effective, why are there no rangers?

Do you read at all? It’s not about being effective, it’s about ranger being easy as hell and still being able to dish out lots damage. No one talks about 1v1’s, couldn’t care less about that. You might not have the experience as a soloquer but lots of us do. You think it’s fun to fight against power rangers who keep camping ledges the whole game without moving? No. Do you think it’s fun to have these players on my team? Hell no. Seriously, the most fun games are without a ranger on any side, but sadly lots people actually do play ranger. Do you know why? Exactly, because it’s that braindead. I really don’t care if rangers are overpowered or not, it’s a dumb build with nothing to offer. Most players playing ranger are so bad, they will waste their most important skills on blind, backpaddle from you while shooting you with LB with no distance, never bother press the kitten F when a teammate is down, never rotate. I’ve met only a few good rangers that I was actually happy to have on my team while I’ve met hundreds that I wish I never met.

If you want to play a build that requires no skill, go on, but I would much rather if they actually rework this class and make it viable AND skillful to play. But then again, half of the people crying here about rangers being too weak would cry it’s too hard.

And btw there is no valid reason for having a ranger over 1500 either.

Basically this.

Exciton.8942:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Rangers are basically “I win” elite with 2300 Range.

Only against terrible players like ^

Not really. The annoying part of ranger on a popular map like foefire is that it can easily carry bad player to kill good players with ease. You can go check some of the ESL guys stream and see how often they even get wrecked by rangers from faraway distanceYou essentially can 1 from 1500 range away. That’s the strength of power ranger.

However, ranger, similar to necro is not very capable of escaping from 2+ players’ focus fire which renders them quite hard to play against a good team. However, in pug groups, they tend to have minimal fire focus on them and survive just fine. The class actually has pretty good passive defense.

Overall, it is one of the easiest while still effective build but just can’t carry u to the highest level of play.

Basically this.

Because I got tired of repeating myself as I did on the previous page, and began to refer them to my previous posts instead. This can obviously makes me look like an kitten because on the current page there is no immidiate indication of the arguments I made. As a result people who just joined the discussion get the wrong idea.

This is the problem with taking part in conversations like these, where the poster you’re replying to tends to respond with something that has nothing to do with the subject matter, a random assumption or a reply to a section of your post taken out of context.

Obviously at this stage the discussion degrades to “You must be getting killed by X l2p” where X is whatever youre complaining to. Because it is a PvP forum after all.

That being put aside the issue is that instead of being balanced in such a way where it can offer something unique and useful to the team, the Ranger class is currently made viable in pub by a cheese build that exploits lack of organization and poor matchmaking. It’s basically Sway of GW2.

If you think that ranger is perfectly balanced, and that 2300 range cheesefest is the way to go because it’s easy to kill then by all means continue. I personally think it’s a stupid build and Ranger has to be rebalanced in a way that would make it viable in a less toxic way.

To be fair it’s mostly an indication that something went horribly wrong with how they designed the whole thing, so as a result the player retention simply isn’t there.

The combat is cool for an MMO but really that’s about all there is to PvP right now.

In order to have any relevance in the esports scene a game has to have a large following, as well as a wide selection of dedicated pro teams. Lack of thereof proves that there is indeed a problem and that players’ concerns are warranted.

“Ranger” in signature. Mad. Flaming. Zero counter-arguments.

Yep, nothing to take into consideration here. Stay mad.

Woo the terrible player argument. Can’t argue against the other poster? Np just get mad & flame.

Good riddance!

Rangers are basically “I win” elite with 2300 Range.

^ An example of the “arguments” I got so far lol. What a joke.

Depends on what you’re comparing it to. Relative to other MMOs it’s probably fairly substantial.

Still, as at stands PvP is boring and broken because despite having most classes balanced rather well between themselves, the meta builds are all over the place because they simply offer too much. As a result they don’t have a clear role.

Either that or we have cheap cheese like pewpew Rangers and Air/Fire power Necs which is basically a Ranger with cooldowns and less range.

Funny thing that’s how GW1 balance used to be. Either we had a team comp that did too much of everything too well, or a cheap low skill floor strategy that could get you wins with minimal effort.

It’s more fun when all the roles have a clearly defined, specialised purpose and the combat is built around one role countering another.

You have serious issues with reading comprehension lol. Either that or trouble remembering the discussion past the last comment you’ve replied to.

That’s all I need to add at this point.

What I say isn’t whataboutism. It’s either a fair comparison or an example of games where balancing is done right.

“But what about Cele?!” is whataboutism.

LB Rangers are broken. Period. Too strong for how easy it is, with counters that don’t apply to pubs. You disagree because you spam that build.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

And you don’t have an argument about why they are broken other than “they are toxic and no fun to fight against”. Every other point you have tried to make has been countered.

I personally find them very fun to fight against and so do many other people which makes your argument invalid.

I listed those reasons time and time again. You either can’t read or fall in denial.

Looks like you just don’t want to admit that your favourite build shouldn’t exist. Gives easy wins though, so people defend it like GW crowd defended IWAY/Sway.

Well I guess I must have missed something because what I read was you coming up with a few terrible arguments that were easily countered by multiple people. Then when you couldn’t come up with a valid argument to support your demand for a nerf you resorted to crying that you just don’t like fighting rangers and that they’re toxic.

Oh yeah, there were also a few rants about why they should balance the game around your low skill level instead of better players skill level because that is what some other video game did.

Some other video game is holding championships with $10 million prize pool with thousands of people attending to see the live event. Clearly “some other game” is doing something right.

There were no arguments against what I wrote, just whataboutism and random wrong assumptions. That alone is an indication enough that I’m right.

Maybe you think that LB Rangers are weak because you don’t know how to play one.

Pewpew Ranger is like pewpew Necro just better in every way. Lich is dope though.

PvP is a joke.

Match 1: I get put into a team with 3 sub 1000 AP against a full premade. Why? Because I was on a winning streak that’s why. We got destroyed.

Match 2: I won Kyhlo by sitting at my treb and spamming W all game. Occasionally their Engineer or Necro would come and I killed them both by pressing 1 because power Necro with Air/Fire procs is balanced. Most boring kitten ever.

Match 3: We had 2 MM Necros, AI won for us. The only highlight was that I kept 1 shotting their pewpew Ranger with Lich all game because kitten that lame build.

Best game. 11/10.

Cele should have its stats toned down, Zerk shouldnt give HP, current meta should be nerfed to reduce the total amount of CC removal flying around.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

And you don’t have an argument about why they are broken other than “they are toxic and no fun to fight against”. Every other point you have tried to make has been countered.

I personally find them very fun to fight against and so do many other people which makes your argument invalid.

I listed those reasons time and time again. You either can’t read or fall in denial.

Looks like you just don’t want to admit that your favourite build shouldn’t exist. Gives easy wins though, so people defend it like GW crowd defended IWAY/Sway.

They should give more points for kills. It makes no sense how atm skirmishes outside nodes are pointless and will net you a loss.

I won a whole bunch of matches by getting to points and then making a couple of kill hungry enemies chase me around a bit. Can I say they are idiots? Actually no because it’s perfectly sensible to think that kills are worth something in PvP.

And matchmaking, conquest, meta, ladders, premades, maps. Basically everything is wrong with it.

I actually miss the days of old bunker meta, that’s how bad it is atm.

No you just have to learn to read.

Toxsa.2701:

Spirigo.2897:

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

So does every other professions, especially the 5 popular Meta classes. (Doesn’t include ranger just so you know) They all have excellent damage, survival, escape method, defensive measures, that’s why they become Meta in the first place. Regardless, to a ranger hater likes you, you wouldn’t care anyway.

Power Rangers are practically meta right now. There isn’t a match without a pewpew Ranger standing on a cliff somewhere pressing 1. It’s an easy, annoying and effective build to climb ranks with, or whatever GW2 has.

Hambow was stupid with its ridiculous stunlocks but pewpew Ranger takes it to an all new level. The build is broken and toxic, it shouldn’t be a thing and you know it, which is why you don’t have any argument apart from whataboutism.

But obviously players abusing this crap will defend it to the bitter end. I mean it is fun to shoot stuff from 4 maps away. I guess it’s the same group that spammed Sway in HA back in GW days.

“Hey guize pros aren’t using it so it’s balanced!” – Yeah right.

Whataboutism continues. You should give r/worldnews a try.

Point being, you have enough ways to escape as a Ranger, or at least give your team enough time to help. These abilities are perfect for escaping.

Stealth, 1 knockdown, 2 knockbacks, cripple, 2 immob, leap, stunbreaker, fear from pet.

How can you possibly not escape with that?

Gryph.8237:

Toxsa.2701:

Gryph.8237:

I play a necro and I admit that I hate rangers in Wvw, because I can simply do nothing against a well played power necro, when I cannot close the distance, especially if I have low life force. That said, who saw a lot of rangers on winning teams in the tournament? no? why is that? please tell me…

likely its the same thing for necros, we simply are not viable at high ranks of play, because its target the necro/ranger and watch them die.

Well, at least in group fight, you do insane AOE damages that a ranger can NEVER EVER IMAGINE, like 25~35k damage per seconds (5 targets). Don’t always look at the down side, necro is pretty good in WvW.

Also your condition dire spec is one of the strongest duelers out there (with full death shroud), that even 2 of the strongest roaming classes (condition engi and condition thief) fears to fight you up front. My power ranger really really fear condition necro in WvW because just if I fail to dodge one combo, I’m a goner, yet you guys are so tanky that it takes quite abit of time to chip down that death shroud.

I feel you man, I play a condi dire necro, because i got bored of being a power necro in the zerg. its boring, so i went back to condi roaming. That said, i am a decent condi necro, and pretty tough in a 1 v 1. that said, there are some power rangers that just owen me if they get the drop on me, i don’t have full life force, or i miss my dodges as you said. I have never had anything against rangers, as they are good at what they do in wvw. I was saying that in pvp, they are limited because like the necro, they don’t have that get out of dodge free card which is the block, invuln, stealth, combo that most of the meta high level pvp classes bring to the game. our classes don’t have that, so we don’t see it in high level pvp play.

Wut?

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Ranger_-_Read_the_Wind_Power_Ranger

All the escapes are there. Granted a medi guard is going to kitten you regardless but you can still delay the inevitable long enough for your team to come and help. I think the main reason why people would try to focus you is because pewpew ranger has a kind of global aggro due to how annoying it is.

Sorel.4870:

Spirigo.2897:

Kyle.9523:

russia.9057:

There’s a lot more nuance involved in PVP than running head first into mid over and over again.

I will bet money spirigo.2897 does this

Oh yeah, that illusive “nuance” that gets mentioned a lot but is never explained.

Let me guess, one guy goes to close.

Woo such strategies!

Here?

How is that claiming that rushing mid is a good strategy? People kept mentioning that “nuance” thing. As if there is some hidden depth that can only be seen at top level play. So I asked and got shown a video where everything is the same as in a typical ranked game lol, with better micro obviously.

Eurantien.4632:

@ Spirigo

You have often brought up the comparison of Dota 2 and LoL, two games that balance around the top players. You’ve said that these games are popular and Guild Wars 2 is not as much, suggesting that you think that Anet should take some notes out of the books of the developers of these other games. One major note, is balancing around top tier. If power ranger isn’t good at top tier (which you have said) then it should be buffed?

Guess you have been on our side all along!

I mentioned on multiple occasions that balancing isn’t done only based on the highest tier. Mechanics that can be abused against pubs are also kept in check. Do you, like, read?

Jim Hunter.6821:

Spirigo.2897:

Ranger mains getting worked up lol.

^Baddies qq’ing about rangers been worked up

Making random assumptions because you know I’m right.

Sorel.4870:

Spirigo.2897:

Oh wait, am I supposed to start worshipping this kitten because someone got saved with a portal? lol nope.

I think you got the wrong impression. I don’t want YOU to think or do anything. You posted on this forum with an unclear idea of conquest strategies. You seemed to be under the impression that a good strategy was to repeatedly go to mid, with one team member capping close. Eager to help, I suggested you watched Helseth’s videos to see that other strategies are possible. There is no need to get all defensive about it: it’s not about you. I would have done the same for anyone.

I never posted anything about repeatedly going mid. What I raised in this thread is that the matches rarely feel enjoyable as well as that I don’t feel like the win or the loss is a direct consequence of my actions because even the outcome of the match is decided by a passive element.

I’m used to mobas and how the old GW was. You win by killing a guild lord, wipe the enemy team or destroy a building. It’s a consequence of your action, not a result of the game counting to 500. A clear, simple objective like that can make the match much more satisfying as well as giving a solid foundation to build complexity on.

So where did I argue that going mid was a good strategy?

Ranger mains getting worked up lol.

I just want a game mode where there is something between me and the objective as well as no friggin timers. Please I want to feel like I won because I did a thing, not because I lasted long enough with more points until the game counted to 500.

Sorel.4870:

Spirigo.2897:

Sorel.4870:

Spirigo.2897:

Kyle.9523:

russia.9057:

There’s a lot more nuance involved in PVP than running head first into mid over and over again.

I will bet money spirigo.2897 does this

Oh yeah, that illusive “nuance” that gets mentioned a lot but is never explained.

Let me guess, one guy goes to close.

Woo such strategies!

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/4761630

Sorry but no. I love watching videos like these for some of the other games I play, such as Doto, LoL or CS but here it’s just 1 of 5 total members of GW2 pro scene (or was it 11?) showing us some skill spam. The first 3 minutes of this video show all that is wrong with PvP.

Abusing stealth – check.
Irrelevance of major skills, hence why skill spam is enough – check.
The outcome of the match decided by a passive element – check.
Match decided by the first minute – check.

Yep, PvP here is deep… In kitten.

You asked about strategy, I offered you to learn and get good. You are free to do whatever you want with the help provided.

I am not going to discuss your opinion on stealth, but about major skills, I think you missed the very relevant Portal plays (which is, you may hav noticed, a skill). I didn’t really see the passive element: I am pretty sure that TCG won these games because of their superior strategic play. And the first game is a demonstration on how to overcome a very bad first minute and finally win the game. So your analysis is a bit partial, to say the least.

I didn’t ask you for help because I don’t need any. I asked for proof that GW2 has depth compared to certain other games. You didn’t give me any proof, just a video that further convinced me that GW2 PvP is a joke.

The players that like to play conquest can continue for all I care, but the fact that those players are so few reassures me that I’m right in not bothering with arenas beyond dailies.

Face it, GW2 failed to become an esports game. It’s just casual past time for those of us who like to run around the node while pressing all the buttons as well as a handful of people who take it a little further.

Oh wait, am I supposed to start worshipping this kitten because someone got saved with a portal? lol nope.

Because pewpew Rangers are countered by highly organized play that never happens in pubs. At the same time they can destroy pubs by dishing out the same damage as zerk mediguards from across the narrow sea.

Also, they are boring/annoying to play against. The familiar pewpewpewpew from a random rooftop is GW2’s hoho haha.

Also, lol @ top teams. There are like, 2 or 4.